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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: FruitFreak on May 29, 2015, 09:38:09 PM

Title: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: FruitFreak on May 29, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
I only have room for two smaller mangoes.  I haven't tried any of these CVs but can imagine all are wonderful fruits.  Which ones would you plant and why?
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: Patrick on May 29, 2015, 09:53:39 PM
I would probably pick Fairchild
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: bsbullie on May 29, 2015, 09:57:03 PM
Out of those4, Fairchild and Mahachanok.   I would opt for Fairchild and Honey Kiss. These three are all very good with a complex flavor.

NDM is just kind of a plain sweet mango.  No complexity.   Ck shall is kind of like a Glenn in that it is inconsistent and can be mild and watery.   It is also very soft textured.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: johnb51 on May 30, 2015, 09:26:08 AM
I assume you already have Pickering?
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: zands on May 30, 2015, 07:20:59 PM
Fairchild fruits are on the small side and have a nice light taste. Plus the tree is a reliable producer! It won't play games with you.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: fisherking73 on May 30, 2015, 07:40:26 PM
Got a Fairchild on Bullies advice when I was looking for a medium, manageable/pruneable tree.  It is doing great, and hopefully next year will get to try some from my own tree.  Still trying to find room or a friends house to place the honey kiss lol
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: zands on May 31, 2015, 08:09:16 AM
I have two Fairchild trees. They grow faster than Nam Doc Mai #4. Medium fast grower. Not an upright grower. More of a low and wide grower. You can always prune to hold them back to smaller size
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: fisherking73 on May 31, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
Good to have verification.  How low? lol I planted it about 6 ft from my driveway. But can always park the truck in the swale LOL
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: FruitFreak on June 01, 2015, 11:10:52 PM
I have two Fairchild trees. They grow faster than Nam Doc Mai #4. Medium fast grower. Not an upright grower. More of a low and wide grower. You can always prune to hold them back to smaller size

This sounds right inline with the growing parameters I'm looking for.  How do you feel about its precociousness, productivity, fruit quality?
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: zands on June 02, 2015, 11:10:21 AM
How do you feel about its precociousness, productivity, fruit quality?
Above average on the first two. The fruit is not as sweet as some of the new Zills but who wants just really sweet fruits. Alex-Squam says he has solid demand for Fairchild at his grove.
Note that fruits are on the small side.
The fruits are green then get yellowish three days before ripe.


Some Fairchild photos

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(http://s8.postimg.cc/c2t81yexd/IMG_0709.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/c2t81yexd/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/x29btgglt/IMG_0710.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x29btgglt/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/v96f54vf5/IMG_0711.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/v96f54vf5/)
the Fairchild .......one third of its mangoes have already been picked

(http://s8.postimg.cc/eg6kf83yp/IMG_0712.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/eg6kf83yp/)
This yellow one will fall off if I touch it. Ripe to eat.

(http://s8.postimg.cc/z2va0jndd/IMG_0713.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/z2va0jndd/)
fell into the mexican oregano. Ready to eat

(http://s8.postimg.cc/gsj5qk5xt/IMG_0714.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gsj5qk5xt/)
ready to eat
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: gunnar429 on June 02, 2015, 11:14:03 AM
something about the texture or intense flavor of fairchild that I don't particularly care for.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: bsbullie on June 02, 2015, 11:53:05 AM
something about the texture or intense flavor of fairchild that I don't particularly care for.

Doesnt surprise me, you have no taste...   ;) ;D ;) ;D :o 8)
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: mangomandan on June 02, 2015, 12:21:52 PM
I am curious as to why Cogshall was not recommended here. More to do with the fruit quality or the tree characteristics?
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: gunnar429 on June 02, 2015, 12:35:26 PM
can't describe it but cogshall is in the same category as fairchild....ok, but just something that's off.  The tree is small and manageable though from what I understand.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: bsbullie on June 02, 2015, 01:35:43 PM
I am curious as to why Cogshall was not recommended here. More to do with the fruit quality or the tree characteristics?

Cogshall is a smaller, slow growing tree.  Fruit is colorful (nicknamed the Easter Egg mango by some) but has some similar flaor issues as the Glenn.  It ihas a propensity to being mild and having at times a washed out flavor.  Texture is soft too, not Carrie "mush" but still softer than I would prefer.

I really like Fairchild.  It does have a strong "muskiness" similar to Indian mangoes which is probably why I like it.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: HMHausman on June 02, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
I am curious as to why Cogshall was not recommended here. More to do with the fruit quality or the tree characteristics?

Also, I have experienced production issues with Cogshall. It is not nearly as disease resistant as Fairchild.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: FruitFreak on June 02, 2015, 03:55:26 PM
I assume you already have Pickering?

That is correct John.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: mangomandan on June 02, 2015, 05:43:19 PM
Thanks. I have actually killed 3 Cogshalls through the years. I think it says a lot more about my inability to grow trees in containers than about Cogs itself.

When I bought some Fairchild fruit from Alex I realized I had been unfairly disrespecting them for twenty-some years.  Now I think I was mixing it up with Florigon. Both have an "F" and an 'L' and it doesn't take much to confuse me.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: FruitFreak on June 09, 2015, 01:04:41 PM
All this being said I think I'll try to pickup a Maha and Fairchild at the Mango festival in July.  Thank you everybody.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: HMHausman on June 09, 2015, 01:11:58 PM
All this being said I think I'll try to pickup a Maha and Fairchild at the Mango festival in July.  Thank you everybody.

You may be able to get a Fairchild at the Fairchild event, but there has never been, nor is there likely to be a Maha for sale there.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: FruitFreak on June 09, 2015, 10:45:18 PM
All this being said I think I'll try to pickup a Maha and Fairchild at the Mango festival in July.  Thank you everybody.

You may be able to get a Fairchild at the Fairchild event, but there has never been, nor is there likely to be a Maha for sale there.

Good looking out, I've never been so don't really know what to expect.  I'd prefer to pick up a 7-10gal if at all possible.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: gunnar429 on June 10, 2015, 12:27:42 AM
only seen 3g in the past
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: FruitFreak on June 10, 2015, 03:57:58 PM
only seen 3g in the past

Me too and not many of them.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: gunnar429 on June 11, 2015, 08:24:09 PM
In the past, PIN has grafted their trees, so if you want a tree, you can get it from them (or possibly even Bender's Grove) for the same price...one less thing to worry about at the festival.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: bsbullie on June 11, 2015, 09:11:00 PM
In the past, PIN has grafted their trees, so if you want a tree, you can get it from them (or possibly even Bender's Grove) for the same price...one less thing to worry about at the festival.

PIN has grafted whose trees?
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: gunnar429 on June 11, 2015, 11:05:04 PM
Fairchild's

Last 2 mango festivals and the jackfruit festival
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: bsbullie on June 11, 2015, 11:40:33 PM
Fairchild's

Last 2 mango festivals and the jackfruit festival

ZHPP grafts the trees for Fairchild's mango festival.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: gunnar429 on June 12, 2015, 03:36:28 AM
ok. PIN has them available though....or did the past 2 years.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: FruitFreak on June 12, 2015, 03:52:48 PM
You guys are a wealth of knowledge.  My local nursery has a 7gal Fairchild I'm going to check out.  Would you say the Fairchild is on par with Honey Kiss across the board?
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: naturelover on June 12, 2015, 04:32:07 PM
Fairchild off of my tree this year was awesome. Fairchild seems to be a moderate grower in my yard, at about the same pace as Carrie. Im not sure if this is the universal experience or just my yard. And its a very atrractive tree. No disease issues at all.
 The mangos arent brightly colored and this is good ; less attractive to 2 legged critters....just my limited experience.   NDM is a delicious and adding an asian mango , if you dont have one, may be the thing to do. Im not sure why NDM isnt a firat choice other than splitting issues, which may not be a problem in your area (my neighbors tree hasnt had a problem )
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: bsbullie on June 12, 2015, 04:44:59 PM
Fairchild on par with Honey Kiss how?

NDM is a "basic" sweet mango.  Good for someone who is just looking for that however if you are looking for something more in terms of complexity from an Asian/Thai, look towards a Mahachanok. 
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: naturelover on June 12, 2015, 04:52:01 PM
Fairchild on par with Honey Kiss how?

NDM is a "basic" sweet mango.  Good for someone who is just looking for that however if you are looking for something more in terms of complexity from an Asian/Thai, look towards a Mahachanok.

How different are they in size?
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: bsbullie on June 12, 2015, 05:21:36 PM
Fairchild on par with Honey Kiss how?

NDM is a "basic" sweet mango.  Good for someone who is just looking for that however if you are looking for something more in terms of complexity from an Asian/Thai, look towards a Mahachanok.

How different are they in size?

Fruit or tree?
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: naturelover on June 12, 2015, 05:49:42 PM
Tree
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: GrassFlats on June 12, 2015, 06:12:20 PM
How bout maha? Are they slow growers and can they be maintained at around 10 feet"?  Do you Maha's for purchase Rob? 7g size? 15g?
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: bsbullie on June 12, 2015, 06:19:15 PM
How bout maha? Are they slow growers and can they be maintained at around 10 feet"?  Do you Maha's for purchase Rob? 7g size? 15g?

I have seen them slow and moderate growers, it seems to vary based on location.   They can probably be kept in the 10 - 12 foot range with proper pruning.  I think you would do better at 15 feet but thats your call.

Yes, Excalibur has some very nice 7 and 15 gallon specimens.   PM me for info.
Title: Re: Maha, NDM4, Cogshall, or Fairchild
Post by: GrassFlats on June 12, 2015, 06:24:36 PM
Yeah, im trying to keep them around 10' so I can cover them in the winter.  Gets cold here in Sanford
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Going off a tangent here.....this is the first Pickering off my little 7g potted tree!!  Shared it with my daughter and boy was it good!  Had that pina colada/coconut taste.  Can't wait for the tree to get bigger so it will pump out this yummy fruit