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Lisa Atemoya
« on: September 12, 2012, 09:18:26 PM »
I got my Lisa to fruit for the first time this year after hand pollination.. So far, the tree does not seem to be precocious, I had only 20 flowers. I notice that my friend's Lisa did not have many fruits last year. I have a few questions: Does Lisa have a the reputation of being a shy bearer? How long does it take before the fruit turn completely pink? here are pics of some fruits with shades of pink.



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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2012, 10:20:26 PM »
It seems that '48---26' or 'Lisa' is highly subject to rootstock influence.   Its productivity ranges from extremely heavy to zilch. 

Yours looks healthy, and the fruits will color up nearer to maturity.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2012, 09:48:54 AM by Guanabanus »
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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2012, 04:11:20 AM »
It seems that '48---26' or 'Lisa' is highly subject to rootstock influence.   It productivity ranges from extremely heavy to zilch. 

Yours looks healthy, and the fruits will color up nearer to maturity.

If the rootstock has influence and you're not happy with productivity, how about adding more rootstocks to the plant?  You could plant seeds from it next to the trunk and approach-graft them on to see if it increases the yield- it would be almost like it was on its own rootstock.  If it doesn't help production, you could always cut them off later.

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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2012, 10:12:18 AM »
Did you get your lisa from pine island?
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2012, 12:21:50 PM »
A very kind gent recently shared some Lisa bud wood with me (along w/a few others varieties).  The Lisa grafts all are trying to push blooms now,  maybe I got lucky on the rootstock?

looks great JF,
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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2012, 08:13:37 PM »
Har and CoPlantNut -

thanks for your replies. Lisa has been on the ground for 2 .5 years and it's about 8'. It's on a cherimoya rootstock but it's good to know it will eventually be more productive.


Jeff -

I got the tree at Exotica. Steve sold it to me as a red illama but you can now clearly see he mislabeled it.


Ethan -

No.....thank you for the sugar apple seedlings. All of the seedlings have survived and are growing fast. Ehtan, our tour is on for next month. I will email with the date this week.

PD: The reason I asked this question is because my African Pride was planted at the same time and it's twice as small and holding twice as many fruits. Last year it produce a large 2 pound fruit. Here are pics of both - both trees are grafted on Cherimoya rootstock.

Lisa


African Pride with fruits





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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2012, 11:04:41 PM »
Short, stocky, horizontal growth, as many of the branches on your 'African Pride' are, are better suited for fruiting than the long whips on your 'Lisa.'

Now that it is this late in the season, you might as well wait till February to prune  the 'Lisa.'

Next season, when a branch gets about 4 feet long, cut about a foot off the tip, leave a couple of leaves near your cut, then remove one leaf off either side part way down the branch.  In less than a month there should be new side branches with new flowers.
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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2012, 10:58:41 AM »
Thanks for the tip, Har!

Short, stocky, horizontal growth, as many of the branches on your 'African Pride' are, are better suited for fruiting than the long whips on your 'Lisa.'

Now that it is this late in the season, you might as well waite till February to prune  the 'Lisa.'

Next season, when a branch gets about 4 feet long, cut about a foot off the tip, leave a couple of leaves near your cut, then remove one leaf off either side part way down the branch.  In less than a month there should be new side branches with new flowers.
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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2012, 11:48:51 AM »
So the fruit on lisa looks more like a sugur apple, then the tough skin atemoya.
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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2012, 11:58:00 AM »
So the fruit on lisa looks more like a sugur apple, then the tough skin atemoya.
Correct and texture is more like a sugar apple also, and the exterior is a rosey mauve color.  I will be posting a picture of a ripe fruit later tonight (hopefully).
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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2012, 12:09:03 PM »
Thank you Rob . So my pink sugar apple looks like a lisa.I will post picthures later ofthe fruit
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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2012, 08:54:44 PM »
Short, stocky, horizontal growth, as many of the branches on your 'African Pride' are, are better suited for fruiting than the long whips on your 'Lisa.'

Now that it is this late in the season, you might as well wait till February to prune  the 'Lisa.'

Next season, when a branch gets about 4 feet long, cut about a foot off the tip, leave a couple of leaves near your cut, then remove one leaf off either side part way down the branch.  In less than a month there should be new side branches with new flowers.

Thanks Har. I'll do that at the end of March, that's when we prune our annonas here in Socal.

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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2012, 01:41:35 PM »
Thanks Har. I'll do that at the end of March, that's when we prune our annonas here in Socal.

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I sure will bug you when March 2013 comes

thanks in advance

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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2012, 02:19:28 PM »
can't get picture to print
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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2012, 05:41:01 PM »
Thanks Har. I'll do that at the end of March, that's when we prune our annonas here in Socal.

JF

I sure will bug you when March 2013 comes

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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2012, 09:36:05 PM »
Looks a heck of a lot better than what my Lisas looked like. If mine looked like that, I would have been very, very sad  about my tree being uprooted.

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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2012, 10:30:27 PM »
JF

I have a 2 year old sugar apple tree for you too. it's thai lessard variety. I am not sure what you have. It should flower next year (2013)

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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2012, 11:07:57 PM »
Yes, Adam,
The 'Lisa' you pictured looks exceptionally good.  Most of what I have seen of it were small and contorted.
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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2012, 11:18:37 PM »
Yep, most (all?) of the ones I've seen were misshapen. Pretty darn tasty though.

Looks a heck of a lot better than what my Lisas looked like. If mine looked like that, I would have been very, very sad  about my tree being uprooted.

Harry
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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2012, 06:55:37 AM »
Actually, it more than just shape that I recall differently.  My Lisa's looked much more like sugar apple inside.  This looks much more like cherimoya than mine did.  Not sure why there would be such a difference.

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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2012, 07:39:51 AM »
Actually, it more than just shape that I recall differently.  My Lisa's looked much more like sugar apple inside.  This looks much more like cherimoya than mine did.  Not sure why there would be such a difference.

Harry
Most of what I have seen are mis-shapen also and I agree with Harry...were much more sugar apple like in the look and texture of the flesh.

Adam - is the texture of your Lisa much like that of Gefner?  The Lisas I have had could not be cut with a knife like that...If I can get them posted I will post the picture of the Lisa I just recently had (taste was exceptional but nothing like the looks of yours).
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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2012, 07:54:59 AM »
Here is the pictures of the Lisa I just ate:





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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2012, 10:50:52 AM »
That is a nice looking fruit. How did it taste???

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Re: Lisa Atemoya
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2012, 03:11:13 PM »
Just my observation but doesn't Rob's atemoya look a lot more over ripe?  Doesn't it make any annona much harder to cut in that stage?
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