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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: RichardN on June 06, 2015, 02:08:01 PM
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Quick update on Vietnames sugar apple..
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looking good, that is my favorite sugarapple
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Beautiful looking fruit. Does anybody know if this is the same thing as a Na Dai sugar Apple.
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No it is not Na Dai. I had 8 Na Dai trees and gave it to my mother-in-law. This variety is far superior than Na Dai. I got this variety in Vietnam in 1990 from a farmer who produce and sell it to fruit stands. There is no name on this variety but he called it Mang cau Dai translated to English chewy suger apple and Dai translated to English chewy. The fruit has a firm texture flesh. Very high sugar content and extremely juicy. To describe the flavor (honey with raw sugar, floral, and logan aftertaste.
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Sounds like you have something special. How would you describe the tree? (growth, productivity, etc...) I think I will need to ask you for seeds:)
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No more the 6-7'.. After 4-5' tree will start to produce lateral branching. Very heavy producer. Will produce fruit within two years from seed.
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I agree, does sounds like a good tree indeed. I was confused because TopTropicals also has a variety of sugar apple called Vietnames Na Di. Also seeing a couple sugar apples in the local area with a tag that says Vietnames. I would imagine they all came for Toptropical. Sound like what have is even better though.
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I think there are many variety of Vietnamese sugar apples. Just like Florida mangos here in the United States. People from the other side of the world probably think Florida mango are Tommy Atkins, Keitt, and Kent. But what they don't realize there are many more new varieties of mangos produce each year in Florida. By this, I think the same goes to the Vietnamese sugar apple and other fruit trees out there.
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RichardN
Did you hand pollinate those fruit?
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No
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Very nice pictures Richard. :)
Please report back when one ripens up.
I'd love to see what it looks like when ripe.
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just curious, how is this variety superior compared to na dai? Could mang cau dai and na dai the same thing but called differently from different part of the country? Perhaps both are just different variety of mang cau dai!
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Very nice pictures Richard. :)
Please report back when one ripens up.
I'd love to see what it looks like when ripe.
Will do
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I agree, does sounds like a good tree indeed. I was confused because TopTropicals also has a variety of sugar apple called Vietnames Na Di. Also seeing a couple sugar apples in the local area with a tag that says Vietnames. I would imagine they all came for Toptropical. Sound like what have is even better though.
It's actually the other way around. Top tropicals gets them from the nurseries down here and resells them on the web. Probably came from PIN, Lara, or Zills
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Na Dai Sugar apples ripening up quickly...I had some bull ants that were making a nest right above one of the fruits, they kept accumulating bits of soil from the pot, and piling it up on the stem of the fruit. I guess they knew which fruit would be ripe first, or they have a way of hastening the process....but the fruit they had a nest on, was the first to ripen up.
I hosed off the ants, and stole the foundation for their house, and the meal they were waiting for! the sugar apple was ready to eat right off the tree...and it had minimal seeds...I definitely prefer these to ordinary sugar apples you find at the Asian markets here in the Orlando FL area.
here is the fruit the ants were living on
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same fruit cut open
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another larger fruit that was ready to be picked, but not ripe yet.
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Na Dai Sugar apples ripening up quickly...I had some bull ants that were making a nest right above one of the fruits, they kept accumulating bits of soil from the pot, and piling it up on the stem of the fruit. I guess they knew which fruit would be ripe first, or they have a way of hastening the process....but the fruit they had a nest on, was the first to ripen up.
I hosed off the ants, and stole the foundation for their house, and the meal they were waiting for! the sugar apple was ready to eat right off the tree...and it had minimal seeds...I definitely prefer these to ordinary sugar apples you find at the Asian markets here in the Orlando FL area.
here is the fruit the ants were living on
(http://s3.postimg.cc/ckudbowzj/IMG_2826.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ckudbowzj/)
same fruit cut open
(http://s3.postimg.cc/vshi8afb3/IMG_2827.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vshi8afb3/)
another larger fruit that was ready to be picked, but not ripe yet.
(http://s3.postimg.cc/71rtugzy7/IMG_2828.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/71rtugzy7/)
nice looking fruit Adam! Were they what is call chewy or easy peel?
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thanks Raul,
yes this is the same as what they call Easy peel , or chewy.
the Vietnamese name is "Na Dai", so I use that name.
it's one of my favorite sugar apples, because it reminds me more of an atemoya in terms of texture being like geffner, or PPC.
it has some tartness and lots of sugar....low seed count.
fruits very early from seed, about 2-3 yrs, and can stay in a pot for a long time...doesn't require hand pollination.
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I read the threads with great interest. To see if my understanding is correct. The sugar apple variety that RichardN had is not the Na Di which being sold at Top Tropical. Man, I would love to have that sugar apple or some seeds of it. RichardN, please tell me what to do to get some seeds from you. Thanks
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"just curious, how is this variety superior compared to na dai? Could mang cau dai and na dai the same thing but called differently from different part of the country? Perhaps both are just different variety of mang cau dai!"
In Vietnamese language: The term "mang cau" and "na" are the same. Northern folks use "na", Southern people use "mang cau"
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I read the threads with great interest. To see if my understanding is correct. The sugar apple variety that RichardN had is not the Na Di which being sold at Top Tropical. Man, I would love to have that sugar apple or some seeds of it. RichardN, please tell me what to do to get some seeds from you. Thanks
Send him a private message. I know he is busy doing other things....last time he was active on forum was 10 days ago
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RichardN, anyway I can get a few seeds from you?
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Hi Richard,
Can I buy seeds from you?
Pat
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There are variations among "Na Dai" variety. Two major categories: easy peel and not easy peel (skin rougher and less green).
My parents have an "easy peel" Na tree; it's skin even smoother than the rest of Na Dai trees I had seen. It had less seeds, more aroma and the flesh not divided. Delicious, certainly worth propagating (I'll try to graft it on a Cherimoya seedling next spring). The shape looks somewhat like this pic.
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/tree-sugar-apple-leaves-25556669.jpg)
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Hi y'all,
Sorry been busy. If y'all want seeds PM me on messenger. It's the best way to get a hold of me.
The Vietnamese sugar apple I have is completely different than the Na Dai here. 90% of the growers are growing atemoya, cherimoya and annona. By this the seeds are cross and passing hands too hand.
My family got the seeds 30 years ago from Vietnam. We only grow this particular variety.
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RichardN. I send you a PM. Let me know.
I'm interested.
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I had tasted many varieties of Sugar apple, and they're only have one flavor: sweet and very sweet. For the first time (last week), I tasted a Atemoya (Geffner), all I can say is that I haven't tasted any SA that even come close to it, more fragrance with some acidity. I hope Vietnamese people spread the words and start to plant more Atemoya.
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They are. There's a bunch of them Vietnamese people in my area who are growing atemoya instead of sugar apple.
I had tasted many varieties of Sugar apple, and they're only have one flavor: sweet and very sweet. For the first time (last week), I tasted a Atemoya (Geffner), all I can say is that I haven't tasted any SA that even come close to it, more fragrance with some acidity. I hope Vietnamese people spread the words and start to plant more Atemoya.
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The VSA taste like cream caramell vanilla flavor.
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I like both!
I can't wait to grow Richard's VSA and try it.
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Me too. Cant wait to grow this sugar apple. I have an atemoya tree already. VSA reminds me of my childhood in VN.
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Me too. Cant wait to grow this sugar apple. I have an atemoya tree already. VSA reminds me of my childhood in VN.
Me too. Cant wait to grow this sugar apple. I have an atemoya tree already. VSA reminds me of my childhood in VN.
I have several types of atemoya variety , but I still want to have Vietnamese sugar apples because of my childhood memory too. I have not seen and taste the real fruits for 20 years. Hopefully in the next 3-5 years I can the chance to taste it. So excited to Wait for the seeds arrive.
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Cool Dragon. We should keep in touch and check up on our progress growing this VSA from seeds. Mine seeds are coming as well.
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I have never germinated sugar apple seeds before like this VSA.
so far, i heard we're supposed to soak the seeds in water for at least 12 hours and put the seeds in a seeds starter soil. Keep the soil moist but not soak. cover the cup to keep the soil humid.
Did i miss anything else?
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I have never germinated sugar apple seeds before like this VSA.
so far, i heard we're supposed to soak the seeds in water for at least 12 hours and put the seeds in a seeds starter soil. Keep the soil moist but not soak. cover the cup to keep the soil humid.
Did i miss anything else?
I usually slightly open the sides of seeds before soak them over night in water . It helps the seeds sprout easily in the damp towel , then I transfer them to the soil when I see long and white roots appear.
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Ok thanks i'll try the paper towel method.
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Ok thanks i'll try the paper towel method.
Don't forget to put the wet towel in ziplock bag , and check often to see if they sprout or get mold.
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place the bag in warm direct sunlight or warm no sunlight. I imagine mold is the issue. just change the bag and towel if it happens?
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place the bag in warm direct sunlight or warm no sunlight. I imagine mold is the issue. just change the bag and towel if it happens?
I sometime have to rewash the seeds and replace the paper towel when they are moldy
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I also bought some seeds from RichardN. Hope it will germinate.
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Thank you y'all,
Please keep me and others updated.
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Thank you y'all,
Please keep me and others updated.
I found this video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne3-NAIZUQw
Just curious and wonder if you are the one in video
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Thank you y'all,
Please keep me and others updated.
I found this video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne3-NAIZUQw
Just curious and wonder if you are the one in video
Yulp that is Richard. U should subscribe
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thanks Richard for the cheap affordable seeds. we'll see if I can get it to survive and bear fruit in 2yrs in N. CA, bay area peninsula.