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Title: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on September 18, 2017, 08:57:07 PM
I'm going this next Thursday to the Instituto Tecnológico de Cd. Altamirano, Guerrero., where agronomy engineers  in this  university who has been doing selections and crosses of the best types of Annona Diversifolia trying to find the way of commercialization, they have the advantage of being in the middle of tierra caliente, Guerrero,is the place with most ilama diversity on earth, they grow wild all over the region, and there's all kinds, they have been looking /breeding for size, brix, more flesh, less seeds (this is the main problem in regular types were  there is more seeds than flesh) also thin skin,and less prone to crack,  I don't know how many types I'll find, there's documented around 150 differents I'll probably look for the top 10/15 of them, they told me season finish Oct 5, I'm leaving next Thursday to arrive there on Friday, I'm going in Airplane /bus(there's no way I'm driving my car over there with foreign plates, I want to be camuflaje as a local Ranchero, this is the most dangerous area of Mexico, and there has been over 300 homicides in this year, this is the place where they kidnapped you and never give you back even if your family pay the rescue, my plan is to get there early in the morning and leave Cd Altamirano the same day, so I'm flying to Mexico city Thursday night and then taking a bus at 11.59 to Cd Altamirano to arrive there at 6.30,
  This will be the only time I'll do the trip, so anybody interested I'll post availability and prices here the weekend if everything results well...

https://www.google.com.mx/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.academia.edu/1060385/DIVERSIDAD_EN_LAS_ILAMAS_Annona_diversifolia_Saff._DE_LA_TIERRA_CALIENTE_DEL_BALSAS_MEXICO&ved=0ahUKEwjq1PHJ8q_WAhUI2mMKHWkYALAQFghZMA0&usg=AFQjCNEfJYDBVq2v8vUtviDCERChgWs-EQ (https://www.google.com.mx/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.academia.edu/1060385/DIVERSIDAD_EN_LAS_ILAMAS_Annona_diversifolia_Saff._DE_LA_TIERRA_CALIENTE_DEL_BALSAS_MEXICO&ved=0ahUKEwjq1PHJ8q_WAhUI2mMKHWkYALAQFghZMA0&usg=AFQjCNEfJYDBVq2v8vUtviDCERChgWs-EQ)




Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: sytanta on September 18, 2017, 09:13:26 PM
I'm interested Raul!
This is very dangerous and it's great that you already have a plan. I've rarely been in such trips but in any situations, play it safe.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Vernmented on September 18, 2017, 10:58:45 PM
Yes Please! I have been obsessing over that PDF. Best of luck. Very exciting.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: nullzero on September 19, 2017, 12:08:21 AM
Interested as well, best of Luck Raul. Stay safe and good luck with the fruit hunting!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: bbudd on September 19, 2017, 12:27:58 AM
More interest from over here
Hope the trip goes as well as planned
All the best
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Schutzhund on September 19, 2017, 01:54:00 AM
I'm interested too Raul, best of luck to you and stay safe
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: OCchris1 on September 19, 2017, 02:03:35 AM
Please sign me up Raul. And take great care of yourself, if things get sketchy get the hell out of there. Best regards, Chris
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Tropical Fruit Bonsai on September 19, 2017, 02:13:33 AM
Good luck Raul!!! Once you get something interesting with good prices, let's share!

All the best,

Giampaolo
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Paraponera on September 19, 2017, 05:01:26 AM
Consider me interested, Raul!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: fsanchez2002 on September 19, 2017, 06:17:09 AM
Aventura Raul! Keep me posted and good luck!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Hellolychee88 on September 19, 2017, 07:30:58 AM
I am interested too. Stay safe and best of luck Raul!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Faldon on September 19, 2017, 08:12:46 AM
Wow

Good hunting and safety trip.

waiting for your posting.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Mugenia on September 19, 2017, 09:48:16 AM
Raul,

Sign me up for some seeds too. Thanks!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Chandramohan on September 19, 2017, 12:16:07 PM
Raul Count me in. But please do not take any unnecessary risks. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: FruitFly on September 19, 2017, 12:57:13 PM
Stay safe! Can't wait to see what you find!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Zambezi on September 19, 2017, 05:45:39 PM
Raul, I'm interested. Please be careful and stay safe. Good luck!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: kh0110 on September 19, 2017, 10:22:47 PM
...
  This will be the only time I'll do the trip, so anybody interested I'll post availability and prices here the weekend if everything results well...
...

Raul, I'd be interested as well BUT PLEASE stay safe!

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Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: achetadomestica on September 19, 2017, 11:11:10 PM
Hi Raul
I would love some seeds as well. I hope you got the package I sent you a while back?
I just got power back on after 9+ days, hope I am not too late???
Stay safe
Mike
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: JF on September 20, 2017, 12:51:01 AM
Raul, I hope you and your family are safe. Guerrero was affected by the quake you will probably have to reschedule.
Take Care
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: palologrower on September 20, 2017, 06:01:14 AM
I'm interested if you have any. 
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: mfysal on September 20, 2017, 06:47:58 AM
Hi Raul

I am interseted, if you have any.
Tae care
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Paraponera on September 20, 2017, 07:43:55 AM
Hope you and all of your family are well and safe!! Just heard about the quake!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: John Travis on September 20, 2017, 09:12:14 AM
I hope that you stay safe and have a productive trip. With that said, I am interested in some seeds when you get back!

-John-
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Jose Spain on September 20, 2017, 10:53:24 AM
¿Aún vas a viajar con el caos del terremoto? Tengo un primo en DF y somos incapaces de contactar con él  :-\, un amigo tiene la casa partida en dos. Imagino que en Guerrero la situación no será mucho mejor. Tienes valor de visitar esa zona, lo tuyo es afición y lo demás es cuento!  :o :D
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lory on September 21, 2017, 07:59:26 AM
Best of luck Raul, another dreadful earthquake hit your beautiful country for the second time in less than one month it's unbelievable!
I hope you're safe and sound, please message back!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: luc on September 21, 2017, 03:20:26 PM
Are you suicidal or running away from your wife....LOL...For no amount of money I would go over-there and traveling in a bus at night !!! You have no fear man . Good luck , I'll keep the GA3 ready ....
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: roblack on September 21, 2017, 05:50:56 PM
Its like James Bond mixed with Johnny Appleseed; with action and chase scenes. the makings of a good movie
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: sytanta on September 21, 2017, 08:10:46 PM
Are you suicidal or running away from your wife....LOL...For no amount of money I would go over-there and traveling in a bus at night !!!

LOL Raul - Ilama The Seed's Call
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on September 21, 2017, 08:14:03 PM
Best of luck Raul, another dreadful arthquake hit your beautiful ountry for the second time in less than one month it's unbelievable!
I hope you're safe and sound, please message back!
HI Lory and everyone who ask, I'm fine and my family who lives in Mexico city fine also thanks God, unfortunately there was some human losses, but could have been worse...
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on September 21, 2017, 08:15:50 PM
I'm on my way to ilamas, I'm on the plane now.....
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: sytanta on September 21, 2017, 08:31:40 PM
I'm on my way to ilamas, I'm on the plane now.....

Good luck Raul, pls post messages whenever you can.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Schutzhund on September 21, 2017, 08:54:52 PM
I'm on my way to ilamas, I'm on the plane now.....
Keep us updated and stay safe
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lory on September 21, 2017, 10:21:26 PM
Thanks God!!!
Keep us updated and above all STAY SAFE!!!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: msk0072 on September 22, 2017, 02:13:31 AM
Be aware of anything that you are not sure!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Saltman on September 23, 2017, 04:43:19 AM
Unfortunatly that institute has to be in the most dangerous region of mexico. The region got hit by earthquakes too, but you still manage to go there, just to get some seeds of those rare ilamas. Stay safe and thank you !
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: sytanta on September 23, 2017, 05:04:12 AM
Haven't heard from Raul yet...  :(
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Vernmented on September 24, 2017, 10:27:02 AM
I had a dream about these seeds last night. In my dream each seed was numbered with a sharpie that corresponded to the pdf.  ;D
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: sytanta on September 24, 2017, 10:34:06 AM
I had a dream about these seeds last night. In my dream each seed was numbered with a sharpie that corresponded to the pdf.  ;D

That can come true if Raul appears safe, finger-cross......
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Frog Valley Farm on September 24, 2017, 02:08:02 PM
🗯
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Divantie on September 24, 2017, 03:35:33 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Paulish on September 25, 2017, 12:18:26 PM
Interested, hope you're having a safe and bountiful adventure!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: luc on September 25, 2017, 01:25:20 PM
GOOD NEWS !

Since Raul said he was gonna be back the next day and didn't , I called him , he just got home now from a successful trip and will report his adventure later on today or tomorrow .
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: sytanta on September 25, 2017, 01:26:51 PM
GOOD NEWS !

Since Raul said he was gonna be back the next day and didn't , I called him , he just got home now from a successful trip and will report his adventure later on today or tomorrow .

Best news of the day! Thanks Luc for the update!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Guayaba on September 25, 2017, 04:09:24 PM
Good to Know Raul is safe and made it back home. I look forward  to hearing about his adventure!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: roblack on September 25, 2017, 04:35:33 PM
Woohoo! Great news. These are already the most exciting seeds I've ever heard of.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Chandramohan on September 25, 2017, 10:06:27 PM
Good news, thanks Luc.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: mfysal on September 26, 2017, 12:26:51 AM
Luc, thanks for update, Good news
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lory on September 26, 2017, 12:54:01 AM
WOW Great news, thanks Luc for updating and I'm very happy for Raul  :)
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Paraponera on September 26, 2017, 05:28:00 AM
Glad to hear you and your family are safe!!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on September 26, 2017, 08:58:03 PM
Hi everyone! Glad to be back of this great adventure, I traveled with my friend Lalo Zedillo who is another fruit hunter at 71 and years old, we took the plane from Puerto Vallarta at 7 pm last Thursday to arrive México city at 8:30 then we moved to bus station to take the midnight one to Cd. Altamirano, we arrived at 7 in the morning and head up to the Market, for our great complacency as soon as we arrived saw the streets full of ilama vendors, they have them on a carpet on the floor or in baskets or buckets, different shapes from smooth skin all the way to the rarest things with spikes longer than Bíriba or Squamosa, colors white, pink, red, white & pink, some purple, average size 500 grams with some big ones of about 1 kilo, my friend has never tried them so we purchased one and he said was worth the trip, mentioned that taste between ice cream and cotton candy, there was also another race fruits I have never seen in the market, and a large selection of different types of beans, after this we took a taxi to the university Tecnológico Cd Altamirano,the taxi driver told us about the cartel people who they control everything in the city, they have the gun guys camping in the hills and "halcones" (hawks) in the city, young teenagers who are on the pay rol for low money who do nothing other than sit in the corners watching for the army passing by or a victim to kidnapped all they do is a call and these gunners come down to pick somebody who in some cases never comes back even if the family pays the rescue money, every single bussiness has to pay them "derecho de piso" other wise they take them to the hills.. Even taxi drivers has to come up with the fee, the taxi driver said people or bussiness man are leaving and no investers had come for obvious reasons, after 15 minutes we arrived to university  where for our surprise there were no classes because of the earthquake two days before, the only one was the security guard, he said because the buildings construction have to be inspected against damage  before students go back, after talking to him for 45 minutes about trivial topics, he offered to call someone who can help us, after two hours and talking with another two people who ask for ten minutes every time we finally met the right person Agronomy Dr. Gustavo Valladares from Colombia living in that area for the last 20 years, and the co-writter of the e-book "ilamas de tierra caliente" very knowledgeable person and expert in ilamas he took us back to the Market were we had "menudo" (beef stomach soup) for breakfast, after that we sample the most appealing fruit types were I selected 4 types with outstanding flavor and very meaty, after that he took us to the Orchard were they have 160 varieties with three trees of each making almost 500 trees, we arrived at the end of the season because of that we could only tried around 40 types, after collecting the fruit because it was late and we missed the bus we have to Stay overnight in a modest hotel where I in my paranoia take off one by one the glass pieces of my room just in case I have to look for an emergency exit, fortunately I didn't have to scape and taxi pick us at 5,25 am to take us to the bus, in general a very nice experience counting with favor of the circunstances, would I go back?
Don't know.....
Glad to hear you and your family are safe!!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on September 26, 2017, 09:12:29 PM
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Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: sytanta on September 26, 2017, 09:17:09 PM
Nice Raul! Very nice shots! That is a unforgettable experience! I've seen that you met some very awesome/big Ilama fruits.

I'm impressed by the fact that Ilama is everywhere and that Dr. Gustavo Valladares has 160 varieties which is a whole lot of treasures for those who loves Ilama. After your story, I have no idea if you should visit back there (as you already selected the most valuable varieties) but I believe there will be some fruit lovers/adventurers starting to put on plans for a visit to Cd. Altamirano and Dr. Gustavo Valladares. There maybe some other types of never-seen-before fruits which haven't been in their seasons yet.

Anyway, it's great that you returned safe and are able to share with us here.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: buddyguygreen on September 26, 2017, 09:22:45 PM
Man that looks totally worth the danger, Great pictures, Glad you had a safe trip
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on September 26, 2017, 09:33:04 PM
The price for the seeds is
A) 10 seeds package Pink/red flesh 32 usd including shipping
B) 12 seeds package white flesh 32 usd including shipping
C) 8 red + 8 white seeds 43 usd
Wholesale
A) Over 50 seeds, half pink/red half white at 2 usd each
B) Over 50 seeds unidentified mix of white and pink / red 1.75 usd each
Including shipping
Paypal is raulglezruiz@gmail.com
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Schutzhund on September 27, 2017, 12:33:03 AM
The price for the seeds is
A) 10 seeds package Pink/red flesh 32 usd including shipping
B) 12 seeds package white flesh 32 usd including shipping
C) 8 red + 8 white seeds 43 usd
Wholesale
A) Over 50 seeds, half pink/red half white at 2 usd each
B) Over 50 seeds unidentified mix of white and pink / red 1.75 usd each
Including shipping
Paypal is raulglezruiz@gmail.com
I sent you a PM
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Guayaba on September 27, 2017, 01:02:09 AM
This an awesome report on this experience and I enjoyed the photographs of the market and orchard.  I am surprised the ladies allowed you to take photos of them given that the cartel keeps a close eye them. The round Ilama in the photo with a pen seemed interesting, was that good?
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: OCchris1 on September 27, 2017, 02:21:39 AM
PM sent Raul. Thank you, Chris
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: mfysal on September 27, 2017, 04:02:37 AM
Thank you. PM sent.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lory on September 27, 2017, 05:26:54 AM
RAUL I am speechless after reading your story and wtching your pictures!
And not only for the AMAZING fruits but also for the environment you were in!
Those vendors in market reminded me so much filipino market! We also have menodo here  :D
I'm so happy for you, i'm sending you a PM now.
Take care!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Ethan on September 27, 2017, 01:25:25 PM
Wow Raul,  how exciting and delicious, I'm glad you are safe!  Such beautiful fruits!!!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Tropical Fruit Bonsai on September 27, 2017, 02:19:27 PM
Hi Raul, I sent a PM to you...

All the best,

Giampaolo
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: John Travis on September 27, 2017, 06:59:46 PM
Beautiful! Glad you made it back and brought back treasure. PM sent!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: SonnyCrockett on September 28, 2017, 04:39:40 PM
Raul,
Could you tell us the climate of the area where these seeds are from?  Any idea what is the minimum temperature the plants will take?  Will they take high humidity?
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on September 28, 2017, 11:13:35 PM
Raul,
Could you tell us the climate of the area where these seeds are from?  Any idea what is the minimum temperature the plants will take?  Will they take high humidity?
Where they grow wild is at 350 meters asl, latitude 17/18 in summer is very humed and temperatures reach 40 Celsius, not sure about cold resistance do, but ilama has been grown with success in several parts of Florida..
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on September 28, 2017, 11:15:05 PM
For the ones who ordered today I will ship til next Monday, there has been overwhelming requests sorry..
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Radoslav on September 30, 2017, 01:41:17 PM
Are you suicidal or running away from your wife....LOL...For no amount of money I would go over-there and traveling in a bus at night !!! You have no fear man . Good luck , I'll keep the GA3 ready ....

It took two years to sprout the seeds of annona diversifolia cv. white without Gibberellic acid. Really tough seeds, two years underground without demage.!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: luc on September 30, 2017, 05:37:54 PM
I knew the question about germination would come up sooner or later , so, just for fun , I soaked some of my own ( white pulp ) in about 300 pm Ga3 for 24 hours . Planted them on 9/17/17 germinated yesterday 9/29/17 ......That's 12 days guys ....no BS....
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: sytanta on September 30, 2017, 08:37:56 PM
I knew the question about germination would come up sooner or later , so, just for fun , I soaked some of my own ( white pulp ) in about 300 pm Ga3 for 24 hours . Planted them on 9/17/17 germinated yesterday 9/29/17 ......That's 12 days guys ....no BS....

Nice and just about time, thanks Luc!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lory on October 01, 2017, 10:04:04 AM
I knew the question about germination would come up sooner or later , so, just for fun , I soaked some of my own ( white pulp ) in about 300 pm Ga3 for 24 hours . Planted them on 9/17/17 germinated yesterday 9/29/17 ......That's 12 days guys ....no BS....

Luc, the Gibberellic acid doesn't damage the newborn seedlings?
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: luc on October 01, 2017, 12:21:49 PM
I knew the question about germination would come up sooner or later , so, just for fun , I soaked some of my own ( white pulp ) in about 300 pm Ga3 for 24 hours . Planted them on 9/17/17 germinated yesterday 9/29/17 ......That's 12 days guys ....no BS....

Luc, the Gibberellic acid doesn't damage the newborn seedlings?

I was talking about seed germination Lory .
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on October 01, 2017, 04:34:34 PM
I knew the question about germination would come up sooner or later , so, just for fun , I soaked some of my own ( white pulp ) in about 300 pm Ga3 for 24 hours . Planted them on 9/17/17 germinated yesterday 9/29/17 ......That's 12 days guys ....no BS....

Luc, the Gibberellic acid doesn't damage the newborn seedlings?

I was talking about seed germination Lory .
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Please keep reporting your early  growth  as I was mentioned by a member few days ago that he germinated them with Gibberellic and the seedlings were very weak...
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lory on October 01, 2017, 09:29:01 PM
I mean soaking the seeds will not have any adverse effects on the future seedlings right?
I know that gibberellins can have an "elongating"  "gianting" effect on plants.

Lok these 2 cabbage plants treated with gibberellic acid compared to the dwarf control on the left


(https://s1.postimg.cc/1ti2fph8bf/image009.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/1ti2fph8bf/)
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on October 01, 2017, 09:52:18 PM
I mean soaking the seeds will not have any adverse effects on the future seedlings right?
I know that gibberellins can have an "elongating"  "gianting" effect on plants.

Lok these 2 cabbage plants treated with gibberellic acid compared to the dwarf control on the left


(https://s1.postimg.cc/1ti2fph8bf/image009.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/1ti2fph8bf/)
That's so cool Lory, I wonder if I can use it on my seedling Durian to speed up growth, would be applied foliar or in the ground?
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lory on October 02, 2017, 05:26:15 AM
No Raul don't do it with your seedlings!
Your trees will be longer but "etiolated"
Same efects like a tree growing in a dark place with not enough light.
That's exactly what i'm afraid of!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lilybee on October 02, 2017, 10:09:25 PM
Hello,

I'm interested in your seeds. Sending over a PM. Thanks!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: mfysal on October 04, 2017, 12:15:43 AM
Hi Raul

Cost of 15 hybrid gauva seeds sent by paypal. Please send along with Ilama seeds.

Best regards
fysal
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: knlim000 on October 04, 2017, 02:30:58 AM
Are you suicidal or running away from your wife....LOL...For no amount of money I would go over-there and traveling in a bus at night !!! You have no fear man . Good luck , I'll keep the GA3 ready ....

It took two years to sprout the seeds of annona diversifolia cv. white without Gibberellic acid. Really tough seeds, two years underground without demage.!

2yrs for the seed to sprout?  What if you nip it a bit so that it can absorb water , would that speed up the process?
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Tropical Fruit Bonsai on October 04, 2017, 03:53:29 AM
Hola Raul,

by the way, did you have the chance to find Annona globiflora seeds somewhere????!!!! is endemic to Mexico!

All the best,

Giampaolo

(https://s1.postimg.cc/29z8h74bnf/A.globiflora.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/29z8h74bnf/)
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on October 04, 2017, 06:40:40 AM
Hola Raul,

by the way, did you have the chance to find Annona globiflora seeds somewhere????!!!! is endemic to Mexico!

All the best,

Giampaolo

(https://s1.postimg.cc/29z8h74bnf/A.globiflora.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/29z8h74bnf/)
Hi Gianpaolo, never seen or heard off, but will try to investigate and look for it and región whre it grows country is very big and with different climates regards!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: nullzero on October 04, 2017, 09:04:58 AM
Are you suicidal or running away from your wife....LOL...For no amount of money I would go over-there and traveling in a bus at night !!! You have no fear man . Good luck , I'll keep the GA3 ready ....

It took two years to sprout the seeds of annona diversifolia cv. white without Gibberellic acid. Really tough seeds, two years underground without demage.!

2yrs for the seed to sprout?  What if you nip it a bit so that it can absorb water , would that speed up the process?

Try using some sand paper on the coat and ga3 with around 50ppm to 200ppm.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Vernmented on October 04, 2017, 04:21:15 PM
I sprouted 3 different types of Ilama with 350 ppm ga3 soak for 24 hours. Most or all popped up in two weeks or so. I wouldn't try sprouting these without it.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lory on October 04, 2017, 09:14:53 PM
Thanks for the advice Josh!
Your seedlings were healthy and not etiolated?
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Vernmented on October 04, 2017, 10:51:53 PM
Maybe slightly but nothing extreme.
Thanks for the advice Josh!
Your seedlings were healthy and not etiolated?
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lory on October 05, 2017, 11:56:41 PM
OK good to know i'll do the same with Raul's seeds
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Mugenia on October 06, 2017, 01:49:10 AM
This is a dumb question, but how do you measure or estimate something to be 350 ppm? I just bought some acid with a tiny spoon. My dad is gonna germinate these seeds.

Thanks.

I sprouted 3 different types of Ilama with 350 ppm ga3 soak for 24 hours. Most or all popped up in two weeks or so. I wouldn't try sprouting these without it.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Vernmented on October 06, 2017, 04:45:09 PM
I weighed mine. You have to dissolve it into alcohol before diluting. I bought mine from ebay.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4497/23685701108_2f64ddd435_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Tropical Fruit Bonsai on October 08, 2017, 08:41:47 AM
Many thanks Raul, I know for sure the fruit worth the troubles!
It's not that big but the texture and flavour is ok.


Many thanks and keep me update on that if you can,

All the best,

Giampaolo



Hola Raul,

by the way, did you have the chance to find Annona globiflora seeds somewhere????!!!! is endemic to Mexico!

All the best,

Giampaolo

(https://s1.postimg.cc/29z8h74bnf/A.globiflora.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/29z8h74bnf/)
Hi Gianpaolo, never seen or heard off, but will try to investigate and look for it and región whre it grows country is very big and with different climates regards!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Satha on October 08, 2017, 11:44:33 PM
The price for the seeds is
A) 10 seeds package Pink/red flesh 32 usd including shipping
B) 12 seeds package white flesh 32 usd including shipping
C) 8 red + 8 white seeds 43 usd
Wholesale
A) Over 50 seeds, half pink/red half white at 2 usd each
B) Over 50 seeds unidentified mix of white and pink / red 1.75 usd each
Including shipping
Paypal is raulglezruiz@gmail.com


Hi,

Can you sell 4 seeds of  each variety.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Satha on October 08, 2017, 11:45:31 PM
The price for the seeds is
A) 10 seeds package Pink/red flesh 32 usd including shipping
B) 12 seeds package white flesh 32 usd including shipping
C) 8 red + 8 white seeds 43 usd
Wholesale
A) Over 50 seeds, half pink/red half white at 2 usd each
B) Over 50 seeds unidentified mix of white and pink / red 1.75 usd each
Including shipping
Paypal is raulglezruiz@gmail.com


Hi,

Can you sell 4 seeds of  each variety.

You have two varieties no?
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: knlim000 on October 17, 2017, 10:49:31 PM
Got my seeds today, 100 of them.  I'm going to throw a few of them into the greenhouse now. Give some to my sister so she can plant them in HI.  And then plant the rest in Feb.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on October 18, 2017, 07:56:19 AM
Got my seeds today, 100 of them.  I'm going to throw a few of them into the greenhouse now. Give some to my sister so she can plant them in HI.  And then plant the rest in Feb.
Hi Kina, I'm glad you got them, take good care of them! 😄
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: OCchris1 on October 20, 2017, 01:43:46 AM
Got my seeds yesterday. Thank you for your efforts Raul! Take care and best regards, Chris
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on October 21, 2017, 04:30:14 PM
Got my seeds yesterday. Thank you for your efforts Raul! Take care and best regards, Chris
Thanks for letting me know, Chris! 😄 take good care of them..
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: HIfarm on October 21, 2017, 06:31:35 PM
Are you suicidal or running away from your wife....LOL...For no amount of money I would go over-there and traveling in a bus at night !!! You have no fear man . Good luck , I'll keep the GA3 ready ....

It took two years to sprout the seeds of annona diversifolia cv. white without Gibberellic acid. Really tough seeds, two years underground without demage.!

2yrs for the seed to sprout?  What if you nip it a bit so that it can absorb water , would that speed up the process?

Try using some sand paper on the coat and ga3 with around 50ppm to 200ppm.

I would not try these without the GA.  I got a couple of lots 2-3 years back from Luc & Raul.  At the time, there was talk about scarifying & I think Adam had suggested trying to remove the seed coat.  I managed to remove 1/2 the seed coat from the seeds without any apparent damage to the seed.  I think even with this course of action, only one germinated (& I lost it anyway).  So, it is not a simple matter of water getting to the seed.  Try the GA.

John
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: luc on October 22, 2017, 08:00:04 PM
Are you suicidal or running away from your wife....LOL...For no amount of money I would go over-there and traveling in a bus at night !!! You have no fear man . Good luck , I'll keep the GA3 ready ....

It took two years to sprout the seeds of annona diversifolia cv. white without Gibberellic acid. Really tough seeds, two years underground without demage.!

2yrs for the seed to sprout?  What if you nip it a bit so that it can absorb water , would that speed up the process?

Try using some sand paper on the coat and ga3 with around 50ppm to 200ppm.

I would not try these without the GA.  I got a couple of lots 2-3 years back from Luc & Raul.  At the time, there was talk about scarifying & I think Adam had suggested trying to remove the seed coat.  I managed to remove 1/2 the seed coat from the seeds without any apparent damage to the seed.  I think even with this course of action, only one germinated (& I lost it anyway).  So, it is not a simple matter of water getting to the seed.  Try the GA.

John
Are you suicidal or running away from your wife....LOL...For no amount of money I would go over-there and traveling in a bus at night !!! You have no fear man . Good luck , I'll keep the GA3 ready ....

It took two years to sprout the seeds of annona diversifolia cv. white without Gibberellic acid. Really tough seeds, two years underground without demage.!

2yrs for the seed to sprout?  What if you nip it a bit so that it can absorb water , would that speed up the process?

Try using some sand paper on the coat and ga3 with around 50ppm to 200ppm.

I would not try these without the GA.  I got a couple of lots 2-3 years back from Luc & Raul.  At the time, there was talk about scarifying & I think Adam had suggested trying to remove the seed coat.  I managed to remove 1/2 the seed coat from the seeds without any apparent damage to the seed.  I think even with this course of action, only one germinated (& I lost it anyway).  So, it is not a simple matter of water getting to the seed.  Try the GA.

John


John , you are absolutely right , I got seeds of several varieties from all over the Ilama growing areas in Mexico . Unless you have all the time in your life , GA is the only way to go , I had 100% germination on all in 2 weeks . Some were about 3 weeks in the mail ..didn't make a difference . Actually I am gonna do a lot of test with GA on other seeds that take more than one month to sprout .
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: OCchris1 on October 23, 2017, 01:49:30 AM
I just received my seeds. Thank you for your sacrifice Raul! Take care, Chris
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: HIfarm on October 23, 2017, 02:01:00 PM

John , you are absolutely right , I got seeds of several varieties from all over the Ilama growing areas in Mexico . Unless you have all the time in your life , GA is the only way to go , I had 100% germination on all in 2 weeks . Some were about 3 weeks in the mail ..didn't make a difference . Actually I am gonna do a lot of test with GA on other seeds that take more than one month to sprout .

Luc,
Did you scarify the seedcoat in any way or just GA treat?  Do you recall what concentration of GA you used & for how long?  It would be good to compare your methods with others reported here.

Thanks,
John
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Ethan on October 23, 2017, 02:40:57 PM
So, should we call these Guerero red and white or is there a local name for these varieties?
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Annonaceae on November 20, 2017, 03:16:33 PM
I don't know if anybody has tried this method for germinating dormant or frustrating seeds, especially Annona.  However if they are similar to Mitrephora and other Annonaceae species then give this a go.

Clean & sterile the seed, wrap in moist chux cloth, place in sealed air tight clear bag and throw that on a heat mat.  Some things just need heat from below.  I was able to reduce the germination and break dormancy.  I.e. some Annonaceae will take up to a year or more to germinate, the above method......4 - 5 weeks.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: luc on November 20, 2017, 06:39:22 PM

John , you are absolutely right , I got seeds of several varieties from all over the Ilama growing areas in Mexico . Unless you have all the time in your life , GA is the only way to go , I had 100% germination on all in 2 weeks . Some were about 3 weeks in the mail ..didn't make a difference . Actually I am gonna do a lot of test with GA on other seeds that take more than one month to sprout .

Luc,
Did you scarify the seedcoat in any way or just GA treat?  Do you recall what concentration of GA you used & for how long?  It would be good to compare your methods with others reported here.

Thanks,
John

John , I used a 300 to 350 ppm for 24 hours , one scoup ( included in the package ) of the same stuff that Vermented ordered . The first badge of seeds ( white ) were my own fresh from the tree , 100 % germination . All the others , and on these I did not measure precisely the amount of water and some stayed more than 24 hours in the solution , I had about 80 % germination , some may still come up....these took a little longer to sprout .

At the same time I did some Eugenia stipitata , that normally take 3 to 4 months , so far nothing ....
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Frog Valley Farm on November 28, 2017, 03:33:43 PM
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Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on November 28, 2017, 10:04:19 PM
I got my seeds today.  Thanks!
I'm happy you got them, let us know germination process! 😄
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lory on November 29, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Hola Raul!
I got my seeds today too !
I'm so happy  :)
Thank you so much my friend!!  ;)
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: dmouthhog on November 30, 2017, 02:22:20 PM
Despite the ineptitude of the USPS, my seeds arrived as well and have been bathed in GA.  Thanks Raul!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on December 01, 2017, 08:12:22 PM
Hola Raul!
I got my seeds today too !
I'm so happy  :)
Thank you so much my friend!!  ;)
Thanks as well, Lory! 😄
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on December 01, 2017, 08:13:08 PM
Despite the ineptitude of the USPS, my seeds arrived as well and have been bathed in GA.  Thanks Raul!
I'm glad they arrive my friend! 😄
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on December 01, 2017, 08:16:57 PM
Still have seeds available and wholesale price for bussiness owners
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Radoslav on August 23, 2018, 08:34:26 AM
Sowed the seeds in october 2017, sprouted few weeks ago.

(https://s22.postimg.cc/9867fs1x9/Annona_diversifolia.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9867fs1x9/)
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: northshorefruit on August 26, 2018, 11:40:11 PM
Rambo-Raul,  Be super careful out there.  I'm interested in seeds, but more importantly your safety!
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lory on August 27, 2018, 02:43:28 AM
Sowed the seeds in october 2017, sprouted few weeks ago.

(https://s22.postimg.cc/9867fs1x9/Annona_diversifolia.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9867fs1x9/)

Your seedlings have pale green "smooth" opaque leaves.
Mine have glossy leathery leaves similar to the one of annona muricata.
Something is wrong, what are the "right" leaves of annona diversifolia?
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Vernmented on August 27, 2018, 09:59:05 AM
Sowed the seeds in october 2017, sprouted few weeks ago.

(https://s22.postimg.cc/9867fs1x9/Annona_diversifolia.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9867fs1x9/)

Your seedlings have pale green "smooth" opaque leaves.
Mine have glossy leathery leaves similar to the one of annona muricata.
Something is wrong, what are the "right" leaves of annona diversifolia?

Hi Lory. I think Raul had about 13 or 14 different types of Ilama in the seed batches and they types got mixed up quite a bit. I think they ended up being separated by flesh color. It may be genetic diversity.
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Anas on August 27, 2018, 12:32:41 PM
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Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lory on August 27, 2018, 09:15:18 PM
Ah Ok, thanks for your reply,  then i can have peace of mind.
I would'nt like to grow a SOURSOP thinking it's an ilama and then finding out after several years that i was wrong  :-\
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: bsbullie on August 28, 2018, 07:36:13 AM
I have never seen ilama with glossy leathery leaves.  Lory, maybe post a picture dor assistance
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: luc on August 28, 2018, 12:43:32 PM
Here's a ( blurred sorry ) pic of 4 of Raul's ilama he brought back last year ....none has glossy leaves btw.
(https://s8.postimg.cc/ll38jlts1/Illama_Raul_Balsas.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ll38jlts1/)
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: knlim000 on August 29, 2018, 01:55:59 AM
are all llama leaves rounded?

If the tip are pointed, then it must be atemoya or cherimoya, corrected?
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Lory on August 29, 2018, 04:28:32 AM
Oh my God I'm starting to think that my cuddled ilama seedlings are actually just common SOURSOP :-(
I'm wondering how it could happen.....
I've no pictures now since i'm in currently in Italy but leaves are dfinitely leathery and glossy like a soursop.
So bad :-(
Title: Re: Premium types ilama seeds (Annona Diversifolia) only once!
Post by: Tropical Bay Area on December 10, 2020, 08:07:18 PM
Oh my God I'm starting to think that my cuddled ilama seedlings are actually just common SOURSOP :-(
I'm wondering how it could happen.....
I've no pictures now since i'm in currently in Italy but leaves are dfinitely leathery and glossy like a soursop.
So bad :-(
Dont worry, you could sell them or perhaps use them to hybridize!
what if the soursop and ilama got hybridized, there would be a hybrid!
cheer up, a common soursop is not that bad? ;D