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A lot of my friends have been contacting me lately regarding polyembryonic Mangos and I want to mention that sometimes polyembryonic Mangos will give you a Monoembryonic seed. When you remove the seed husk and the brown skin from the embryo, you will sometimes see just one segment and the seed will only produce one seedling. I do not know if the one seedling will be a clone or zygotic so if you are going after a clone, itís better to plant a polyembryonic seed with multiple segments.

Iíve seen mono seeds from Lemon Zest, Sweet Tart, Coconut Cream, Orange Sherbet and now E4(Sugarloaf).

Sugarloaf sometimes gets really skinny seeds and when you open up the seed husk, there is an atrophied embryo. From a total of 7 Sugarloaf seeds, I got two atrophied embryos, three Monoembryonic embryos, one that looks mono but could be Polyembryonic( segments not well defined) and one that is for sure polyembryonic.

Here are some Sugarloaf embryos, the one on top is Polyembryonic.


I was saying that a month ago. That some mangoes can go poly or mono.  But you are giving it more refinment. You are saying

--- Mangoes that are poly-embryonic will sometimes give you mono-embryonic seeds. Lets say 5-10% of the time
----Mangoes that  give you mono-embryonic seeds will only give you mono-embryonic seeds. You will never get a poly-embryonic seed from them

Though I will say that from time to time avocado seeds and mono mango seeds will send out two shoots/ two sprouts

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Site Outage
« on: July 17, 2018, 02:55:05 PM »
Jeff-- Thanks for taking care of business. Way to gyo!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulgova Mango
« on: July 08, 2018, 10:07:24 AM »
Mangojoy, what did you think about Mulgova? Can you remember any flavor profiles? It is a good Mango but nothing really stood out for me. The first fruit I ate was a bit over ripe.


It was good decent mango with resinous. But did not make me "wow" . But I tasted only one. The next day I had to leave India. Tasting just one mango does not give us a clear picture. Malgova used to be the king of mangoes before Alphonso took over.  I purchased 11 varieties from that market. I was excited to see that many mangoes nicely displayed with its name and price. It was in June the peak mango season was over.  I will post more pictures on a different thread.

Yes please post them. Most of the photos I see of Indian mangoes in Indian markets are on commercial sites and somewhat photoshopped.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulgova Mango
« on: July 08, 2018, 08:40:55 AM »
Yeah Zands,

That ability to be picked mature green is one attribute I love about some of the Indian Mango varieties. I know many consumers buy with their eyes and gravitate towards colorful red Mangos but could care less about color. In fact, for dooryard plantingís, I would prefer green Mangos as they are less likely to be stolen.


As you say, the keyword is "some".  Not all Indian mango varieties but some (many?) have been bred over centuries to be delicious when they arrive in the Indian cities. The buyers in the cities buy at "green, shiny and hard" but know the mango will yellow up, is good to eat in a few days.

Same here on the East Coast. We get Hass avocados coming in from Mexico. They are hard hard hard. But they are nice to eat a few days after buying. No way am I getting the real Hass taste but maybe 65%.  Most people hammer and demolish these Hass into guac so what do they care?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulgova Mango
« on: July 08, 2018, 08:12:11 AM »

Had a chance to taste this one during my visit to India.


See how green those mangoes are? The Indians have been breeding mangoes for transportability for centuries. I would say with a 3-5 day window  between when the mango is picked and later bought in the market. Some Bangladeshis were over the other day and wanted green Carrie mangoes that for me were too hard and too green. But this is the end for this years Carrie fruits so what they took will ripen at home like the  Mulgova mangoes in the photo taken in India.

The  Mulgova you grow on a backyard tree and pick at perfection will be superior.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Best Mango - On any given Sunday
« on: July 02, 2018, 10:53:33 PM »
The Florida mangos are sweet but very "washed out" and have been going for 79c to 99c each.  The fruit almost looks striped as many are leaking juice from the top. 

Sorry to only take a bit from your post. Yes, many of my home grown have leaked lots of sap from the top due our rainier than usual spring into summer. This leakage attacts ambient black mold from the air and makes many mangoes ugly. The black color is only on the surafce but this will still scare off people. I have cut into and eaten many ugly ones and they are delicious. The serious mango eaters that come here to acquire know what the score is once I explain it minimally.

Example -- I have had lovely normal coloration Pickering mangoes and also ones that have gotten lots of black striping downward due to the mold + sap drippings

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When to pick Mallika mango?
« on: July 02, 2018, 11:33:49 AM »
One minute video will tell you what you need to know 
Dr. Jonathan Crane UF/IFAS/TREC describes 'Maillika' mango from the TREC Mango Collection in Homestead, FL

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Best Mango - On any given Sunday
« on: July 02, 2018, 11:15:24 AM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Honda wood chipper ?.
« on: June 27, 2018, 06:55:57 PM »
It's not just the engine. How are the chips being made? This question is a hardy perennial here but I think hammer action chippers are supposed to be the most reliable.

Honda engines are supposed to the best. Won't you find more service for a Honda where you are, rather than a Briggs Stratton? I bought a Brigg Stratton lawnmower not long ago but I am in USA where Briggs is very common.

For a new Honda small engine cast in China. Run it a few hours then dump out the oil and replace with new oil. Get straight 30 weight oil for your climate. 30 weight motor oil. Not 30 weight gear oil.

How much tipping are you doing? I have an LZ and coconut cream I am debating on trying to keep as small as possible with a heavy prune yearly, even if it means a little less production, as long as I am getting 20-30 mangoes per tree more than enough for us.

ST mango tree gets tip pruning every year. One or two times yearly. Also depends on how much fruit is on the tree

I got to taste a ripe sweet tart last year and it was amazing! If they taste good both green and ripe that would be nice to have the choice. I thought sweet tart was a big tree though - can it be maintained as a small tree?
Mine is maintained at 12 feet due to HOA though I know that others call ST vigorous. I tip pruned it a lot.
Since ST is one of the new (lulz 2011) high brix Zill mangoes I would think other new Zill enhanced sweetness mangoes will be as good green. Ones that others also consider and confirm as "manageable", not just me. Honey Kiss, Edgar and so on.

Plus I can send you ST scions to graft on to whatever you buy. Anyone interested in ST scions can PM me.

You are on to a good thing and lots of original thinking but for blackening up Florida beach sand looking soil you need *more* wood chips. There is no substitute for this dense hard fibrous mass that also has trace minerals from its roots mining. Blackening up meaning more organic matter in the soil along with its mycorrhizal bacteria.

You have already dumped lots of wood chips. You might want more in the future. One small pickup truck bed full of wood chips will equal all your self mulching and for a few years on out.

Mechanized agriculture can grow dense enough green manure crops that will add significant humus to the soil. Or discing in last years corn stalks to produce humus. You are not in this situation.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ready to be picked?
« on: June 26, 2018, 06:36:02 PM »
Want to see if these pickering look ripe enough?

If they are rock hard, then no.

I'm zone pushing so I can grow only mango varieties that can be kept small (e.g Pickering). After a trip to Thailand last year I'm interested in growing a mango variety for green eating. I like the ones that are sweet and crunchy when green rather than tart. Are any of those possible to maintain productive so the tree remains at less than 8'?

I just had a green sweet tart mango. I would call it sweet and acidy not sweet and sour. It was 50% as sweet as a ripe ST mango. Hot sauce made it taste better or more unusual. I never put hot sauce on a mango before. It was not crunchy like a hard apple. It was firm.

Going to buy a few of these aluminum signs today. Found at Home Depot.
I bought plastic signs a few years ago and the sun made them brittle

The Hillman Group
10 in. x 14 in. Aluminum --- Private Property Sign
$1.98 /each
The 10 in. x 14 in. Aluminum Private Property Sign from The Hillman Group displays its highly visible message with bold, red lettering against a black background. This sign has a space to accommodate customization and has pre-drilled holes for easy attachment.

Front yard sunflowers look great and will bring in the birds.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Your mango policy?
« on: June 24, 2018, 01:48:02 PM »
Mine is basically first come, first served. There is some telephone communication but with the no-shows and the unexpecteds who arrive without notice. Like this morning.....  I just want to move them
Mangoes are too perishable at their peak to let sit around.
So he who gets here first gets the pick of the crop.
I also allow people to pick off the tree...partly because they see hidden ripe ones that I do not. Most who come here are attuned with mango seeking-radar.

Oooppps ....Just had another unexpected (but he has been here often) come by 15 minutes ago. He found seven hidden ones just after another mango hunter left, who I thought scooped up everything that was good for today

some people eat them green so they likely know what they are picking.

Very few I think in USA but a Filipina woman asked for some hard green ones with some yellow coloration. So she got some Carrie and Fairchild this way. I have no idea how they taste this way but she said, "Eaten with hot sauce". I always thought the best ones that Asians like to eat green are oblong SE Asian mangoes like NDM and the mango from what is sold here as a Philippine mango tree.


Put up a sign saying ---

Steal only ripe mangoes

And Alex - Squam was right! I will try to find his prediction made back in January or February.
I am talking SE Florida counties
Manatee - Sarasota- St Petersberg - West Coast Florida mango trees must be early too.

I am getting lots of mango drops for the past week.
My estimate is SE Florida mangoes are three weeks earlier than the usual.

Are the problems really that bad?


The Keitt/Gary and Kent/Gary crosses from Gary Zillís project offer the most promise as far as late-season stuff is concerned. These will continue to be evaluated over the next few years.

The problem the established late season cultivars have is theyíre mostly purely descended from Haden and/or Brooks, and lack Julie or Saigon genes that appear to afford some level of resistance.

Could you please post a few photos of what the leaves and fruit look like on mango trees with this problem?

If you believe this eruption is slowing down, or that it can't reach the coast elsewhere, then watch this video:

More fast flow lava rivers at her twitter page. Mileka Lincoln. Check out her Instagram page
I posted this elsewhere and people were amazed.
Good luck, stay safe Oscar!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Longan Pride
« on: June 17, 2018, 02:40:35 PM »
I hear that in Hawaii mangoes are too common to steal BUT....
Lychee Thieves trailer HD  (youtube)

This is Sir Prize.  More I research this variety the more excited I am about it.

Sir Prize is a good early season avocado, covering the gap in spring before Hass arrives. I was buying them at the local farmers market a while back and grew quite fond of them, but they are a second tier avo for me because fat content is not their strong point. What I liked as the unusual golden color of the flesh and the fact that it would not oxidize no matter how long I left it on the counter.

I may be mistaken but I have seen Sir Prize photos here where it is dwarfish and heavily laden. It might have been in a container. Is this the case? At least in California?

Super colorful fruit punch and colorful others. Fruit punch looks like a mango that would sell based on "curb appeal" plus I read it has great taste. Have not eaten one yet.

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