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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tagging trees
« on: October 10, 2017, 09:13:51 AM »
All my trees and bushes (almost 200) are in my greenhouse, and I have very carefully written on the large plastic plant markers with paint pens.  Common name on one side, latin name on the other side.  Look great!  Until I was watering one day and turned my back on my two-year-old grandson (he is grandkid #8, so you think I would have known better!).  He quickly and efficiently gathered up all my stakes, deposited them in my rose basket and presented them to me!  Of course, he looked so darned cute, happily carrying his little "Melissa and Doug" chameleon watering can, how could I be mad at him?  Have everything unscrambled except some of the citrus...


I am looking for bitter leaf seed, small plants or cuttings.



Thanks!  I am not sure that he has what I am looking for, but I will check with him right now.


We are traveling to Florida beginning next week, and I wanted to shop at a tropical fruit nursery (allspice, june plum, grumichama, etc).  We won't be getting as far south as the Miami area, and am frantically trying to find a nursery selling tropical fruit trees as far north as possible.  I am trying to avoid having to pay the huge shipping fees to Idaho.

We will also be in south Texas, if there are any there.

Anybody have any suggestions?????????


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How far apart should papaya be planted?
« on: October 08, 2017, 10:02:53 AM »
I don't know about in the ground, but I have two Wainmanalo dwarf papaya growing/fruiting in the same 25 gallon pot, so I don't think they are too picky.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chicomolaressxm ?
« on: September 16, 2017, 06:28:52 PM »
Hopefully he is just temporarily relocated. Crossing my fingers!


Ooo! Ooo! Pick me! Pick me!  I am REALLY good at killing potted papayas by overwatering!
Any more, if I get the urge to water them, I don't.  Then if I get the urge again, I don't.  Third time, I water them.  All alive so far.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: fruit/tree royalities question?
« on: September 04, 2017, 09:19:52 AM »
Good question!  Two guesses -
Maybe with bananas, the patents are for tissue culture?
Also, maybe the countries that use tissue culture may not fall under US patent law?
Either way, I am certainly not chopping down my banana pups!


I would definitely mail your seeds back. Way easier than trying to hand carry.  I have come in through Seattle in the past with seeds in luggage, but maybe that has changed? 

As far as plants, there are a lot of regulations, but you CAN bring in up to 12 plants back in your luggage WITHOUT any permit, provided they are not on the "prohibited" list, do not require special procedures, are of a certain size, have a phytosanitary certificate, and a few more rules.  They can't be in soil (I love the polymer crystals because when you get home, you can plant the whole thing, crystals and all). The USDA has a whole list of things they can be planted in.

The size and age of plants allowed varies, but you can check all that out on the USDA APHIS site at

It can be pretty complex, but if you just have one or two plants in mind, and can find a nursery that does permits etc, it may be worth it.  I have read up on it, but never actually tried it.

Hope that helps!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: fruit/tree royalities question?
« on: September 03, 2017, 09:24:48 PM »
I think you have to get the license before you take cuttings or do air layering.  Here is what the Oregon State University Extension Service says -

"A patent legally prevents others from reproducing the protected plant variety by cuttings, tissue culture or any other method of asexual propagation without the written authorization or licensing of the patent holder. Possession of improperly propagated plants of patented varieties constitutes infringement, even if an illegal propagation was inadvertent.
Though asexual reproduction may be prohibited on a patented cultivar, there is no regulation against using the plant in sexual reproduction. In other words, the seed or pollen from a patented variety may be used without permission of the patent holder. The offspring are free of patent regulations.
To determine if a plant is patented, look for a patent number on the tag, or PPAF (plant patent applied for) or PVR (plant variety rights) after the name of the cultivar. Or sometimes there are other indicators that a patent has been applied for, such as “patent pending.”
If a plant is patented, a license is required from the patent holder in order to make cuttings of that plant, even if it is planted in your own back yard. Unlike with a copyright, there is no concept of “fair use rights” for patents in the United States."

Dumbest comments I have heard on this forum (and there have been many) obviously dont know what it is like to take a direct hit from a Cat 1, 2 or 3 (forget 4 and 5) hurricane.   Maybe some dont care cause they look at it as "no school" but I guarantee if you OWNED your home, were responsible for the care of your home and paying bills you wouldn't say you want a hurricane...maybe ask your parents if they want one.  A hurricane is not just beneficial rain.  Oh, to ckarify, we dont get typhoons in this hemisphere.

God soeed to those who were or will be in the path of Harvey ir his effects....

Come on guys. Lighten up on AnnonaMangoLord45 and our other California friends.  Of course they weren't making light of a hurricane.  They are watching the news like everyone else and know what's up.  But like everyone else in a drought-stricken area, they were just trying to say "some rain here would sure be nice".   

The whole country is praying for all those affected by the storm.


There is no danger to eyes or cameras as long as the eclipse is in totality.  I had just over a minute to get the pics.
But anything OTHER than totality can cause eye damage after only a few seconds, with no pain.  And nope, that is NOT fake news...


Yep, took the shot(s) myself. And yes, I was probably eating the only Idaho-grown banana on that day (or any day).
We are still so excited about Tyson. Have not heard yet where he viewed the eclipse, but it wasn't in the little park we were in.


Ok folks, sorry this is not fruit-related, but here is a pic of the total solar eclipse! I did eat a home-grown banana while waiting, if that counts...

Nobody knows for sure where he went for the eclipse, but Neil Degrasse Tyson had ice cream at a place two blocks from our house.  Only famous person ever to eat at Delsa's.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Rooting cuttings
« on: August 18, 2017, 07:22:13 PM »
Wow!  I had no idea. Thanks!


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Rooting cuttings
« on: August 17, 2017, 10:56:26 AM »
What is CCPP?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Start melon seeds in autumn
« on: August 17, 2017, 10:54:11 AM »
I would put them in bigger containers, so they can develop more root mass over the winter. That would be the advantage of starting them so early.  Then when you put them out in the spring they would have a good head-start.  I do that with my tomatoes and such, and people are always saying "holy cow, how did you get ripe fruit in May?!?!?" We usually can't plant tomatoes and melons until mid-May, and the ones I start inside in the fall are all blooming and ready to fruit the second I put them out.  Makes me a hero with the neighborhood bees for about a month...


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Start melon seeds in autumn
« on: August 13, 2017, 11:33:30 PM »
I have grown a lot of melons in my greenhouse, and they grow really well but don't like to bloom and fruit in the winter without extra light.  So when you get back in the spring, they may have taken over your house...


I agree with Mark.  They are going to need light, and a basement would need enough supplemental light to really crank up your electric bill.  Unless you can afford the initial outlay for LED lights, but I think you would need a lot.  Even a sunny window doesn't help much, as glass blocks a lot of the light that plants need for photosynthesis. 

And for where you are located, if you don't heat the greenhouse in the winter, everything will probably die, except maybe the fig.  They are good to quite a bit below freezing.  Solar heat may help a bit, but in my experience, the heat that is gained is usually all used up within an hour after the sun quits hitting the roof and walls. Definitely plan on a powerful heater of some sort.

It sounds like a lot of work and effort, but if it were easy and cheap to grow subtropicals in northern latitudes, there would huge fruit farms there already.  But it CAN be done!

Cool about the super cheap barrels.  Wish I could find those here.  They go for about $75 in Boise.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wildlife in your fruit trees ?
« on: July 23, 2017, 06:41:34 PM »
We have that same problem here in the US.  My husband's sister lives in Mason Texas, and they are absolutely overrun with wild boars.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wildlife in your fruit trees ?
« on: July 23, 2017, 03:36:28 PM »

I just love the circus. I hope they have cotton candy!

Ah, a relaxing picnic.

I don't see what's so hot about Juliet.  Why does SHE get all the attention?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wildlife in your fruit trees ?
« on: July 23, 2017, 12:26:34 PM »
One problem with Idaho - periodic plagues of Mormon Crickets!  These guys totally freak me out.  They are big, mean, fast, and although they can't fly, they can cover large distances just by running.

They are eating a lot of local gardens right now, but they are also very cannibalistic.  So if you start killing them, more come running in to eat their little friends.
If you try to "shoo" them away, they actually CHASE you.  And they BITE. HARD.

I have kept them out of the greenhouse so far, but my outdoor plants are in dire straits. Thank goodness for APHIS! They are treating farmland to try and stop the "march of horrors". Big problem is we had a really harsh winter and there is still a lot of flooding, so they can't bait a lot of places that they normally would. 

What to do? Well, the only thing I could come up with was to try and humiliate them, so they would skulk away, by making them pose for inappropriate photos...

Hi, I have a greenhouse and am in zone 6 also.

When my plants were small, I tried moving them outdoors in the summer, but we are in the high desert, and sun just beats down and scorches them. Now everything stays in the greenhouse all year.  Everything is in pots.  Huge pots are expensive, so a lot of them are actually in large laundry tubs that I bought at Walmart and drilled holes in the bottom.  Works great, since they have handles.

I get figs, guavas, coffee, heaps of citrus, dragonfruit, and bananas to name a few. Others, like my chocolate, cherimoya, custard apple and soursop have not bloomed yet. I have grown virtually everything from seed except the citrus and fig.

I have fans in the summer to keep the greenhouse cooler, and a gas furnace for the winter.  I never let the tropical house get below 50, and the citrus house generally gets into the low 40's in the winter. 

You are about the same latitude as I am, so you will probably need extra light in the winter in a greenhouse.  If you are planning on keeping them in the house, you will need a lot more light. I had all my plants in the house before I built the greenhouse.  I can be done, but is harder to get things to bloom.  I use regular fluorescent shop lights.  They are cheap and work really well.  Here is a great article from the Univ. of Alaska Extension Service about using fluorescent lights for plants -

Have fun, and give a shout if you have any specific questions!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My greenhouse website
« on: July 22, 2017, 05:10:57 PM »
I sent you a PM, but for others who are interested, their email is
Wirsiy is generally the person who works with the invoicing, collecting, etc.  Another email for him is

I have heard both good and bad about these folks and their business, but really, they are doing the absolute best that they possibly can, given the circumstances of slow mail, weird government problems, bad/intermittent internet connections, and trying to harvest, correctly identify, clean, store and ship the seeds of wild jungle trees. I know from experience how difficult it can be to correctly identify a plant that is known only by local names.

My hat is off to them.  They are trying to make a difference by providing local people a way to support themselves in a sustainable way that does not harm the environment.  I am all for anything that stops palm oil plantations!

Ok, I am off my soap box now...


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My little slice of paradise
« on: July 22, 2017, 12:21:22 PM »

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