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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pruning rollinia problem
« on: March 29, 2018, 10:09:30 PM »
I don't have that problem with my Rollinia yet, good problem to have I think.  :)

Some trees just don't like to be pruned, for example Star Gooseberry, Bilimbi, Noni, I would think Rollinia would accept topping off woody branches.

awesome, maybe beg you for a sapling later :)

nice gesture!  Great fruit, and not too overpowering for space, old trees are incredible but still allow sunlight through. 

In Thailand two main types, "Puuey Fai" and "Kiiow Wan", the "Pueey Fai" has a lot of skin flesh which can be scooped with a spoon.  The "Kioow Wan" skin flesh is very little and a bit sour, but has a lot of meat around the seed.  I have a 13 year old Kioow Wan which is really starting to produce now, but I am planting a grafted "Pueey Fai" in the garden and may top work the Kioow Wan eventually with this variety.  I think it is much better and easier to eat.

what you get sunny?  I got 5 pedelai seeds coming :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango tree pruning gone wild
« on: March 27, 2018, 08:53:19 PM »
post below ‘mango canpu management’ that is exactly how to maintain a dearf mango.  Remembrr mangoes naturally want to be 30-40 meters tall.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango tree pruning gone wild
« on: March 27, 2018, 08:51:51 PM »
dude buy a saw, cheaper than your pruning guy. :)

I would reprune and cut off those branches which are hollow, they will just rot anyways.  Keep your cuts 15-45 degrees also, trees seem to recover better than 90 degree cuts.  Also the face of the cut direction will also determine the direction of growth.

Cuts im 3’s also, just like a recent post illustrated with video link.

Maybe best thing to do is just cut the hole stump down to waist height and start over.

by the way there are two types of hermies (maybe more) when cut the flower lengthwise there can be 5 or 10 anthers the thin flowers inside.

I think many people researching this for gmo breeding.  University of Hawaii has alot of good info on papayas.

there is another old link pdf with illustrations, cant fimd now.

depends, some of my papya trees are at about 70 cm and floweing, they were originally potted.

I’ve seen some sellers market ‘dwarf papaypa’ strains, but not sure about that.

i’ve been waiting to eat this females fruit forever!!!

I have several females bearing huge fruit now, I read online females canbe sweeter.

Guess wait and see.  Saw a guy at the ag. university here grafting papaya  hermie onto seedstock papayas, couldnt help but think what a hige waste of time.

Maybe I dont know anythimg :)

I also have a male near my females, so pollinating females not an issue.  My females are bearing larger fruit tham my hermies now, but could be other factors.

don't know the name, but looks kind of crusty near the shell.. hate that.  I had a really good long pear shaped light purple one on Maui that had to be the best avocado in the world.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado farm from Viet Nam
« on: March 26, 2018, 11:33:34 PM »
in Thailand you can find locally grown avocados at the Royal Projects store at Don Muong domestic airport in Bangkok.

I have one tree, planted it between 2 walls and a house, limited direct sunlight, about 2 hours a day.  Looking good.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sex and the Salaks . . .
« on: March 26, 2018, 11:14:47 PM »
awesome, sounds like a great way, much better than just hacking one off :)

Sucker removal in Indonesia is routine from what I understand.
We have removed plenty but it is a chore.  We select a low growing sucker and prepare a pot by making a slit on one side and slipping it on to the sucker, then fill the pot with medium.  With a pruning saw I cut half way through the connection of the sucker to the mother plant.  After 3-4 weeks I cut half way through the remainder and again until the sucker has rooted and separates easily.
Suerte, Peter

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Seedless Cempedek
« on: March 25, 2018, 09:35:28 PM »
so in the buy and sell forum some very positive review of seedless Cempedek, I have been seeing these very often the past year for sell here, grafts.  Now this week have ag. fair at the ag. university in my region, and I'm thinking now to pick up one.

I have very limited land.. just over 1 acre, so what everybody think?  Seedless Cempedek the best thing to happen to Cempedek or what?

My limited experience eating Cempedek is eating a very specialized local varieity from the town of Janpa, which is also the name of the fruit Janpa.  Some of the ripe aftertaste I don't like so much.  But it is usually deep fried here whole with the fruit, battered with flour and egg.  That is pretty good, especially the nut inside.  Long story short.  I am not a fan of eating that Janpa (Champada is standard Thai) ripe.

Here is some pictures, in case anybody knows what this variety is.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sex and the Salaks . . .
« on: March 25, 2018, 09:04:59 PM »
yes I would gladly pay that or less for divided suckers.. just not available.  Perhaps it is too difficult, or what I assume is that all the tissue culture is prepared from suckers...  So instead of 1 $30 sucker, it is tissue cultured into 100 or 1000 tissue cultured plants that can be sold in a year. 

If anybody knows a good way to remove the sucker please give some tips, perhaps I will run into some charitable grower around here that will let me at their tree.  Problem is most home gardeners, small farmers, they do not want Salak because of the thorns and the pollination issue.

I would think that you could buy divided suckers for a lot less than $30.  Tissue culture makes sense when planting thousands, even hundreds, but the suckers will probably grow faster for the small farm.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sex and the Salaks . . .
« on: March 24, 2018, 09:34:08 PM »
not for seed grown, thus big push and big sales of tissue cultured sala here in Thailand.  Even palm oil tree is going to tissue cultured now, too much risk, waste of time, space, etc.. to be messing around with seed grown.

Seeds are free here, but I shelled out $30 per 1 year old tissue cultured seedling for a single female and a single male.  Figure eventually the female will throw out 2 suckers which I'll keep and I'll keep the male down to a single palm or two.

thanks for everyone’s help, looks like got pretty good success, and things that helped or didnt help.  And I really like this bark grafting method because so easy to pull and expose cambium, plus m main need is grafting to old established trees on the farm.

a few others are green as well, which I have high hopes, the ones that didnt take are obvious, dried out and dead

so some things which will hopefully
give more success next time—

1.  dip scions in antifungal before inserting
2.  wrap entire scion over top and bud tight!!  very tight, reduces condensation
3.  wait for periods of rain and cloud cover (or find those mylar bags)
4.  better scion stock, I knew this before doing this time but was all I had
5.  clean and acid etch my billhook before use

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Want dekopon mandarine seeds
« on: March 23, 2018, 08:32:01 PM »
all growers in our area having slow growth with dekopon, perhaps you should avoid.  It seems to like cooler weather

I've seen some big Mango tree farm fails, owners I guess were "greedy" planted too close, didn't thin any growth, main trunk easily passes the 12 foot mark until spreading.. those types of problems will cost time to fix.  leads to low yields, disease, and fruit flies.  By the time they started pruning, they were taking off huge 24" thick branches, and wasn't nearly enough to help.  They needed a shorter trunk. They should have planted 1 mango tree within a square design, instead they had rows of mango trees planted alongside each other.  Basically they had 4 large mango trees in each amount of space that could have fit 1 smaller mango tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: conquering the muck and mud
« on: March 20, 2018, 08:07:02 PM »
I guess in 5 years will know!  but I think for sure most trees will do good.  If not the original holes aren't going anywhere, so those can be easily replanted with new trees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: conquering the muck and mud
« on: March 20, 2018, 06:26:30 PM »
canal dug with backhoe, had a guy on site already to dig another pond,  But still gettimg work in all day long with shovel and hoe grading the fill, laying irrigation pipe and planting trees. 95 and full sun everyday, killing me :)

besides fruit trees, taking a stab at watermelon and kubucha, maybe they can cover the open dirt

it’s a small variety orange, cut one down already, two others growing going to be skinny as well, down the street another one like this, also skinny with small nuts.   Tye other two growing going to be harvested for hearts, and this one will axe sometime in the future.

The water is never really sweet, most of the time just nasty.   However these get full of oily meat, so it is useful for that.

then all the elongated ones have no nut inside right, something wrong about pollination I’d assume.   My golden coconut tree has occasional long elongated ones that are all husk no nut, about 3-5%

but looking at it today looks like none are like that on the tree now

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: conquering the muck and mud
« on: March 20, 2018, 01:19:40 AM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / conquering the muck and mud
« on: March 19, 2018, 11:51:05 PM »
I think I got drainage and flooding under control this time for most stubborn area of property., the canal diverts to usual pathway of floodwaters, but got two highgrounds both sides.   It’s 22 meters long by 2.5 meters deep. I plan to use this for irragation water exclusively and has water all year round due to small
underground spring somewhere in this area likely opened up by the banyan tree.

Now digging plantingholes 6 feet down by 2 feet wide.  Filling 70% up with manure, and then going with potting soil overflowing.   At least 6 premium planting tree sites have been recovered by diggimg the canal.

For back side going with caimito, and old side likely black palm or coconut.

Rainy spring 1-2 months away and flooding season 6 months away, so hopefully can get some goundcover going to prevent some of the erosion.

can that be caused by cross pollination?  you talking about that freak round one in the bunch of elongated ones right?

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