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awesome, I have one tree in the ground now, was getting leaf burn early on, but always enough new fresh growth so that it didn't matter.  A friend of mine in the same area has one that has really taken off in 2 years, so it is good for our area I think, I guess will have to wait for fruiting to know.

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Hey, I'm not a seller, but I recently found something very hard to acquire from a seller on Ebay, although I was able to contact him on Line outside of Ebay, I got 4 sprouted Black Palm nuts, and 20 sprouted Arenga Pinnata seeds.

They were shipping in vacuum sealed moist coco coir, and made it perfectly. 

https://www.ebay.com/usr/patikit

Hope that helps somebody else. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Artocarpus lacucha - plant or not
« on: March 16, 2018, 08:33:06 PM »
Got two saplings, seem to be doing good in my weather here, so far much more resilient to the the humidity shifts than Jackfruit and Durian.  How is the taste? Would you plant it instead of another mango tree?  I figure they need just as much space.   

Can they be pruned?  Do they need cross pollination?  Will they handle wet feet, clay soil, or occasionally flooding?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Salak
« on: March 10, 2018, 08:05:12 PM »
I got tissue culture plants here in Thailand from a certified Sumalee farm, aged about 8 months, and sexed, so I only needed to plant 2 palms.

In Thailand Sala Indo is here, but not sure what strain it is, I don't think it is self pollinating.  For sure Sumalee needs not just male and female, but you need to assist pollination from collecting male pollen and dusting the female ones.  Otherwise the pollination rate is very low.

Sumalee doesn't like full sun, but are more tolerant to wet feet then I think commonly believed.  I planted 2 in flood zones that killed many previous trees beforehand due to rot, and they pushed through.  Now my second tree is suffering because I harvested sugarcane that was shading it.  They do not like full sun, or even half sun, filtered sun is best.  It is starting to turn yellow, a bit of leaf burn.  I have to dig it up anyways since I'm digging a fishpond there, so no problem.

They are definitely I think one of the top 10 understory tree choices for any agroforestry project.  They are often planted in the rubber plantations between rows, however in that case they need irrigation during the dry season.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: nipa palm fruit
« on: March 10, 2018, 07:57:27 PM »
Yeah, sorry I can't really comment on the accuracy, just what I read from the blog:  ขั้นตอนที่ 4      การหมักเมื่อได้น้ำส้มจากแล้ว จะนำมาทำการหมัก โดยใส่ถังหรือโอ่ง ใส่จนเต็มแล้วปิดฝาภาชนะ การหมักจะใช้ระยะเวลาประมาณ 40-45 วัน เพื่อให้แอลกอฮอล์หมดไปก่อน จึงจะเปิดเพื่อจำหน่ายได้ หากมีการดื่มในช่วงไม่ถึงเวลา จะทำให้เกิดอาหารมึนเมาได้ และยังขัดต่อศาสนบัญญัติของศาสนาอิสลามได้ ในการหมักนั้นห้ามมีการเปิด-ปิด ฝาภาชนะบ่อยๆ เพราะจะทำให้น้ำส้มเสียหรือไม่มีความเปรี้ยวทันที

Step 4.  When start to ferment the sap that has been collected, place in a barrel or clay pot, fill to the brim and close the lid of the container.  The fermenting time in the container is 40-45 days, for letting the alcohol disappear.  After that you can open for sale.  If you drink before 40-45 days you can become drunk, so it is against Islam.  When fermenting do not open or close the container often, as it will make the vinegar spoil or make the vinegar not 'sour' on time.

Excuse my poor translation...

Perhaps the quality of the containers is so poor, low pressure, just like trash can lids and clay earthen lids, that gas can still escape when pressure builds up.  My best guess.

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soursop is flowering for the second time this year, earlier 40 or so flowers, but only one set at the end of the rainy season.  Now after 1 month of no rain it is also flowering again.  Full 10 hour sun on this one, hopefully more fruit will set in the dry season.


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I cut and rake, use a backpack honda wheewhacker with steel blade sharpened paper cutting sharp each use.  Steel pronged rake made from steel pipe and rebar welded together.  For areas overgrown I will cut and rake, sometimes twice a day in the same spot.  Helps to have 1 person rake, 1 person cut, trade off.  I burn the cut material and till in dirt to make potting soil.  Composting takes too much space, too airy for use, and need plastic and tarps that get eaten by the sun within a year.

For holes I dig out the original soil to make a surrounding mound, and fill the bottom with compost from my leech ditch, which till in coir, the septic waste breaks down the coir.  Also I use cow manure for the bottom.  Then I fill with potting soil, which is a mixture of 40% compost, 30% sand, 20% manure, and 10% clay.  At this rate the clay will bond to the compost and not ball up.  This mixture will not ball up, even when water is added.  It is springy, it will also not hold water, so may not be the best choice.  As the compost completely breaks down it becomes a rich loam, but while fresh the roots can push through it easily.

Then I place in the tree and mulch the entire area surrounding with coconut coir to about 2-3" thick.  Water daily.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: nipa palm fruit
« on: March 09, 2018, 09:41:44 PM »
some pms on how to make Nipa Palm vinegar.  I did not know well enough to give advice, but I just looked up and found this blog:  https://sites.google.com/site/khxmulnasmcak/khan-txn-kar-tha-nasm-cak

It is pretty straight forward.  At the same time you would harvest fruit, you cut the stalk (harvesting the fruit) and cut the stalk short.  Re cut again at a 45 degree angle facing downward and right below that cut a very thin laceration, not too thick as that would cause the sap to come slow and dry up.

Then attach a bottle and harvest once or twice a day, I believe in a video it was mentioned about 1 liter per day?   Main reason I don't buy Nipa Vinegar here is because they all use plastic.  So on my home I would rig up something with glass.

Then you need an airtight container I think also no light to pass through, and store without opening for 45 days, before 45 days it will be alcoholic.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: nipa palm fruit
« on: March 09, 2018, 09:18:18 PM »
Ok, yes my old pond on the farthest side is like that, not enough clay to keep firm and stays mucky, dig a bit and hit water.  I'll plant them over there, and not fuss about the water line too much. 

a few more questions...

How many years since you planted, what age did they flower/fruit, bole size, and how many suckers?  Are you pruning suckers and does that damage the original?

I would like to keep my manageable and attractive, and I know that goes contrary to how they grow naturally.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: nipa palm fruit
« on: March 09, 2018, 07:57:30 PM »
good to hear you got them going on your pond, can I ask for more information on how you got them going and what depth? 

For example should I plant on the side of the pond and should the seed be under water or above water line?


Fruit Quality varies with age like coconut.When in Thailand I ate them fresh pretty good,my sister in law makes a Philippine fruit salad with them that's awesome
Cool palm I just planted some at my pond ,growing pretty good if the alligators stay off them!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / nipa palm fruit
« on: March 09, 2018, 09:53:09 AM »
collected some sprouted nipa palm fruit today, near my pond I will dig some trenches, so the palm will be at water level and underwater possibly for a few months per year.   Hopefully takes!    I would love to start making my own nipa vinegar and the fruits are good for desserts.

These are self pollinating from what i was told, so relatively easy to fruit.  Not sure how many years until flowering.   Likely 3-5 like coconuts and sala.

Quite common here but finally right oppurtunity to harvest since water levels receded.  So was abke to just walk into the swamp, and to my luck seeds are sprouting beautifully!







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that's a great video, and glad I could understand what they were saying, some the other Thai videos the accent is impossible to understand.  I wonder what this type of graft is called?  It is half air layer, half graft.

Also they are not 'roots' or maybe you know that, but unless somebody else didn't get it.  Those are seedlings, he recommended to use only a large seed variety of mango.  So that last graft has 5 or 6 rootstocks grafted on!!  It seems like that Mango would be more healthy than a normal seed grown mango.

Sadly these types of multiple root grafts on large diameter stock are rare, I have only seen some farmers doing it (for sale) with Pak Liang, a very easy to air layer tree that is grown for edible leaves.






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yes that is what I was thinking, finding a Makwaen farm and sexing the trees will be a journey for sure.  Seriously considering just digging it up and putting it in a big pot for now.

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without that 'mylar' bag covering the plastic bag the tree will be rooting under the tape... Just had two grafts fail from that, not only was it starting to root under there but also the scions and half leaves rotted completely.

In the video he stressed to have no air enter the bag, and said should keep the bag over the graft for 2 months.  Video is better than many...but this video really helped me the most:

https://youtu.be/5fxwIKMfVTg

I have a tool just like that and it was perfect, and just pryed open the bark perfectly to expose cambium.

In this video they didn't bag it, or didn't show bagging it.

But trust me without that mylar bag the inside of that bag turns into a rainforest.  So I think bagging is better in combination with the mylar bag.  All the Thai farmers are doing it that way. 


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got 20 just showwing a root or leaf sticking out?   I dont need more trees.  Is that a good time?  Usually I have eaten spoits where leaves have come out already, at that time the sprouted coconut has about filled the entire shell, watery, flowery, not too sweet in my opinion.

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ok thanks simon, I’ll see what I can come up.   Paper bags are very hard to  come by here.  I saw the farmers in the NE using metallic reflective bags, mylar I guess, that might be easier to fimd here.   But yes, condensation does seem to be forming, and worried.   Two mango trees I have tooped are showing no new buds, worry not only will graft fail but tree will also die.  Maybe I’ll go do some bud grafts as well for more chance of success.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Zanthoxylum limonella, more information...
« on: March 06, 2018, 04:41:31 PM »
I had two seedlings acquired cheap, i usually buy first ask questions later...
Both very hardy and fast growing, so decided to give 1 a shot in a poor area of soil.  Large diameter sand with little organic matter.   Dug down 1 meter by about 1 meter wide and added sandy loam potting mix, manure, and coir, better soil then originally im pot.
It’s doing well...
but long story short just read it is Dioecious.
Which just sucks, and I went through the trouble of planting one already.
Luckily sone said they flower in 3 years sonetimes.
How can I tell the sex of this species?  Can it be grafted?  Makwaen farms really rare to find scion.

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wrapped in grafting ‘wrap’ found my local mom and pop farming store.  Hopefully this wrap increases chance of success and not decreases.  worried it’s quite moist inside due to condensation


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usually is bit not this month amd next, likely high 70-80% daytime bit high 80-90 nighttime.
Is 90% humidity optimal for grafts or more?  somestimes humidity here is like 99% or maybe my sensors just not so good.

So even wity high hunidity good to wrap scion in parafilm?

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is baggimg better for direct sun and 90-95 temps?  maybe can find some parafilm tomorrow

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is my Isan Indigo sugar apple a runt?
« on: March 05, 2018, 08:15:56 AM »
Red ‘Noyna’ got somed seed grown also, one was a rundt and eventually died.  My Biriba, Atemoya, and Red Atemoya very vigorous doing well.  Another Red Noyna doing ok, in the ground now.

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I filled void with warm beeswax mixed with ash.

Should I plastic bag this with paper bag over?  temps here 90-95, but humid  nights from my misting sprinklers.

Growth very vigorous with mangoes at this time, so shouldn’t graft have plenty of water from cambium?






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I believe it is Gaek Dam, but could be wrong.  Mother in law brought home huge papaya with sweet flavor to serve as seed stock.  Yellow flesh, oval but long.  Looks consistent with the Gaek Dam I have growing now, however Holland are occassionally that large.    Culled about 20 in this area for this one to come up.

Did you treat the top of the papapa tree you cut with anythimg?  cut near base or how many feet up?  rainy or dry season?  I never had much luck topping papayas before.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myriopteron extensum “Cha-Em Tao”
« on: March 04, 2018, 01:05:47 AM »
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.jafc.6b04121

guess seller wasn't lying, quote this journal "The sweetness intensities of these compounds are between 50 and 400 times greater than that of sucrose"

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Tree - Gummosis
« on: March 04, 2018, 01:02:34 AM »
a lot of my young mango trees oozing sap, but because of boring ants or beetles not sure, I will cut out the areas, sure a huge loss to the growth of the tree, but Mangoes aren't a hard enough wood to form a burl to heal these types of wounds in my opinion.  First year of flowering in one tree, but insects bored right into the trunk at the crown... will have to cut out which will remove all flowering as well, sad.

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