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I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« on: May 04, 2015, 07:28:55 PM »
If you want Tanaka, Champagne or Bradenton Loquat scion wood please message me. 
Many people think Tanaka is the best loquat in Hawaii, Bradenton is the best loquat in Florida and Champagne is one of the best loquats anywhere.

I just want a grafted McBeth loquat scion wood in exchange.
I also have a grafted Tanaka and a grafted Champagne trees in exchange for a grafted MacBeth tree.

Thanks
« Last Edit: May 04, 2015, 07:32:19 PM by snowjunky »

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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2015, 09:00:43 PM »
Not true. This may have been the best years ago when selected but is not the case now. I would say they are better than most landscape plants but would not promote them as the best, just my opinion.

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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2015, 02:48:24 AM »
Ok, then which loquats do you like best?

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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2015, 03:19:56 AM »
Avri, Argelino, Pupello and Novak are superior to the ones you listed.
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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2015, 01:28:05 PM »
Do Avri, Argelino, Pupello and Novak do well in Texas or elsewhere also?

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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2015, 02:05:08 PM »
Welcome to the forum snowjunky. I've been looking for a grafted Champagne. I don't have a McBeth for trade though.

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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2015, 02:14:36 PM »
interested to learn more about pupello and argelino
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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2015, 04:38:34 PM »
They do great in California, Texas and Florida. That's the places that I know personally that they are being grown. Also in the countries where they were selected.


Do Avri, Argelino, Pupello and Novak do well in Texas or elsewhere also?

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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2015, 09:27:57 PM »
Some loquat history:
POPENOE: LOQUATS
315
EVALUATION OF LOQUATS AT THE SUB-TROPICAL
EXPERIMENT STATION
John Popenoe
Associate Horticulturist
Sub-Tropical Experiment Station
Homestead
At the 1936 meetings of the Florida State
Horticultural Society, Mrs. Isabelle Krome
gave a paper on loquats (1). In this paper
many things were discussed, including: the
origin of the Oliver loquat; the possibilities of
obtaining good commercial loquats by selec
tion of seedlings; and the formation of the
Florida loquat society. In a recent conversa
tion with Mrs. Krome it was found that the
loquat society did not accomplish all it set out
to do, and in fact has been all but forgotten.
However, since this time, the Sub-Tropical
Experiment Station has been active in intro
ducing and selecting new varieties for Florida.
Interest in the loquat has changed con
siderably since 1936. Few people now believe
that there is any commercial future for loquats.
One of the main reasons for this is that no
variety of loquat has appeared that has a thick
enough skin and other characteristics neces
sary for commercial handling. With ordinary
handling, our present loquat varieties will keep
only for a day or two. Some will break down
over night. Present interest in loquats is based
on their use as dooryard fruit trees and orna
mentals. In fact, the trend seems to be away
from grafted varieties, and some nurseries that
formerly propagated improved varieties now
grow only seedlings. This is as true in Cali
fornia as it is in Florida.
In view of this trend, our experience at the
Sub-Tropical Experiment Station should be of
interest. Since 1932, several hundred seedlings
have been grown. Many good selections have
been obtained from these seedlings, and it
has been found that the average seedling lo
quat is generally acceptable in quality to the
back-yard grower who eats a few fruit off the
tree each year but allows the rest to rot. For
those who are interested in cooking or preserv
ing the fruit, grafted varieties are essential.
In a recent evaluation of 76 seedling trees
growing in one of our windbreaks, 46 were
of fair or good quality. Probably none was
superior to varieties that have already been
named and propagated. Three of these seed
lings have been propagated for further evalua
tion and comparison with standard varieties.
Many standard varieties of loquat have been
tested by the Sub-Tropical Experiment Station.
In 1932, Advance. Champagne and Early Red
were obtained from the Coral Reef Nurseries.
Since this first planting, the following varieties
have been tested: Premier, Tanaka, Thales,
Oliver, Thursby, Gold Nugget, Christmas,
Sheny, Red Royal, Fletcher, and Seedless. In
1950 the Sub-Tropical Experiment Station se
lected three seedlings for propagation and they
were propagated under numbers. Of these,
only SES No. 4, a seedling of Advance, has
been propagated to any extent commercially.
Advance and Champagne have white or very
light yellow flesh. Both are of fairly good
quality and size. Advance produces heavier
crops than Champagne. Two other white flesh
ed varieties at the Sub-Tropical Experiment
Station are Thursby and SES No. 1. Thursby
has small fruit and has not yielded large crops.
SES No. 1 is about equal to Advance and
Champagne is desirable qualities.
Tanaka and Thales have often been con
sidered as the same variety. As grown at the
Sub-Tropical Station they are different. Thales
has larger leaves and a more erect growth
habit. The fruit from both is similar and in
ferior in quality. The fruit is small and orange
fleshed. The Tanaka variety is the most ir
regular in bearing habit of all varieties grown
at Homestead. It will often begin ripening fruit
in December and mature some fruit on through
April. In 1960 it produced a small crop in
August and September. The Christmas vari
ety was introduced as a variety which would
ripen veiy early, supposedly at Christmas
time. It doesn't always ripen this early, and in
1960 it was almost the last variety to ripen.
The fruit has orange flesh and is inferior in
quality. The Sherry variety and SES No. 4 are
yellow-fleshed, high quality, and very similar.
They both must be allowed to become fully
ripe before they are sweet. They ripen later
than most varieties. They are good for cook
ing.
The variety, Gold Nugget is said to be a
synonym of Thales. However, the Gold Nugget
at the Sub-Tropical Experiment Station is
different from both Tanaka and Thales. The
tree is much more upright and the fruit is
larger, rounder and later in ripening. The fruit
is tart when fully colored, and the tree is a shy
bearer. This variety cannot be recommend
ed for South Florida conditions.
The Oliver variety which was described by
Mrs. Krome in 1936 remains one of our
choicest varieties. It bears heavily and the fruit
is good to eat out of hand or cooked. Although
many people like the flavor of other varieties
better, the Oliver is propagated at present more
than any other variety in Dade County. It has
an orange colored flesh and ripens in mid-
season.
Among new varieties at the Sub-Tropical
Experiment Station, Fletcher and Red Royal
may show some promise. Both varieties have
very deep orange flesh though it is not a true
red. These will need further evaluation before
they can be compared with other varieties. A
so-called seedless variety has also been ob
tained but it has not yet produced a crop.
1. Krome, Mrs. I.
Proc. 49: 143-145.
REFERENCE
1936. Loquats. Fla. State Hort. Soc.
316 FLORIDA STATE HORTICULTURAL SOCIETY, 1960



POPENOE: SUBTROPICAL FRUIT COMMITTEE 279
REPORT OF THE SUBTROPICAL FRUIT VARIETY
COMMITTEE, 1957
John Popenoe
Chairman
Miami
Three new varieties have been submitted
to the variety committee this year for regis
tration and description.
 
Mr. L. K. Thompson of Bartow submitted
a seedling loquat for registration under the
name of "Fletcher." This fruit is shown in
figure 2. The tree is a seedling about 30
years old in the yard of Mrs. George Fletcher
in Bartow, Florida. It is now about 40 feet
high. The value of this seedling is that the
fruit has a firm flesh and tough skin that
will hold up well for 2 weeks. The length is
1% inches and the width 1% inches. The shape
is obovate and plump; skin color orange red,
and the flesh is the same color as the skin.
The flavor is fair to good, and the fruit is
juicy. Up to five seeds are found in each
fruit. The fruit is borne in open clusters with
each fruit apart from the next one.
The committee has been asked to describe
the Tommy Atkins mango (figure 3). This
variety has been propagated for about ten
years, but has never been described. The
280 FLORIDA STATE HORTICULTURAL SOCIETY, 1957

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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2015, 10:21:30 PM »
Avri loquat





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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2015, 10:59:12 PM »
I hope my Avri graft will hold fruits that big next year.

Are there varieties that will do better than others under drought conditions or will large varieties still be larger when underfed? I have scions from 11 trees grafted this year and I wonder if the local varieties are smaller because of the drought.

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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2015, 05:06:09 PM »
Yes there's some conflicting info online, probably from mistaken identity of some varieties by these researchers. 
The same paper you have showing the Avri loquat list the Tanaka correctly as a very big fruited loquat and it lists incorrectly the Champagne as a yellow-red fleshed loquat.

Here's the link: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCcQFjAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hort.purdue.edu%2Fnewcrop%2Fppt%2Floquat-cultivars.pptx&ei=HYBKVYqEGYjooATIk4CADw&usg=AFQjCNG040743ct9nu1q6y1jrcCxT-8PsA&bvm=bv.92291466,d.cGU&cad=rja

The Tanaka I have has big and consistent fruit production that is very sweet and has long shelf life.
The Champagne I have has sweet white flesh.
Just like in the CFRG publication: http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/loquat.html

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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2015, 05:16:37 PM »
Anyway, Adam is sending me some Avri scions. 
He didn't have Tori, Novak, Aiden and the other available.  I hope Avri is the best one.

I wonder why no one has Mcbeth loquat in this forum. 
Some guys in the San Francisco area say MacBeth is better than Big Jim and most other California varieties.

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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2015, 12:32:34 AM »
From others in this forum it seems Big Jim is on the mediocre end of the spectrum.

I'm not sure about the current taste/size leaders either so I'm getting all that I can.

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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2015, 01:21:48 AM »
Anyway, Adam is sending me some Avri scions. 
He didn't have Tori, Novak, Aiden and the other available.  I hope Avri is the best one.

I wonder why no one has Mcbeth loquat in this forum. 
Some guys in the San Francisco area say MacBeth is better than Big Jim and most other California varieties.

I tried Avri but I don't think it was at peak ripeness, i guess its a little tricky on the timing. I don't think it was at optimal taste and size due to the first crop the grafted tree had and being that it was a smaller tree in a 5 gal container. Anyway, it did not compare to the taste of the random seedling my friend has;

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15419.0
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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2021, 03:50:37 PM »
Hi,
I’m looking for Tanaka Loquat and any other varieties that has orange peel and orange inside. With good to great favor.

Do you sell any or where can buy them?

I’m desperate, any information is appropriate it!


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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2021, 09:02:15 PM »
Hi,
I’m looking for Tanaka Loquat and any other varieties that has orange peel and orange inside. With good to great favor.

Do you sell any or where can buy them?

I’m desperate, any information is appropriate it!
Look up AKME Gardens ("Viking Guy" on the forum) - several posts.
Has a great collection of loquats.
I have a link below to two of the more recent posts.

Announcing opening storefront
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=42492.msg417510#msg417510

Listing some Loquat varieties they carry
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=42490.msg417505#msg417505
« Last Edit: November 17, 2021, 09:06:41 PM by Orkine »

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Re: I have Tanaka, Champagne and Bradenton Loquats
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2022, 01:35:29 PM »
Hi,
Did you ever find any Tanaka scions?
Thx,
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