Author Topic: guanabana/cherimoya hybrid (Read 10759 times)

sposdta · « **on:** July 30, 2013, 08:33:19 AM »

I am the proud mama to a very well producing hybrid between guanabana and cherimoya. The juice is unbelievable and the custard apple sweetness really perks up the guanabana.

I would like to put every one of these fruits into bellies. I am completely organic on my property...best that can be said for a fishing town. Seeds are available the fruit is really dropping.

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Jacob13 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2013, 08:36:47 AM »

Any pics?

johnb51 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2013, 08:39:41 AM »

Sounds good! How true will the seeds be?

sposdta · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2013, 11:40:22 AM »

http://youtu.be/gb-D683Pjhs

That is a link to you tube and a slideshow of fruit and tree...can cut one open too. Seeds are good, just come and grab one from the ground. Best way to get me is email...sposdta@yahoo.com
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nullzero · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2013, 11:43:27 AM »

Fruits looks really cool

, if they taste great count me in for some seeds. I sent you an email.

sposdta · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2013, 11:53:25 AM »

If you have ever watched that cool video where the Rasta dude shows how to make soursop, well that is what I do with this. I use it for juicing. you don't just jam into it like a mango, it is pulpy. When I create the juice by using a little water and mushing the pulp, little lime juice, apple beet carrot spinach celery...dang. What a treat. I think you could do all sorts of stuff with it. You have to find a jamaican! Or search You tube! It is citrusy, strong, sweet.

sposdta · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2013, 11:54:42 AM »

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nullzero · « **Reply #7 on:** July 30, 2013, 12:11:01 PM »

I talked to some more knowledgeable person on Annona sp., told me they did not think a guanabana/cherimoya hybrid was possible. Regardless, the tree and fruit looks very cool and the description sounds like its just as tasty.

JF · « **Reply #8 on:** July 30, 2013, 12:52:05 PM »

It looks like a muricataXreticulata. The leaves are clearly soursop see attached pic. I think Har said that reticulata, muricata and diversifolia pollen only work on cherimola? I love to see pics of the fruit cut open.

I will have seeds of cherimola X diversifolia and cherimola X reticulata in December several fruits have set.

Mike T · « **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2013, 04:56:57 AM »

I think soursop and cherimoya are from different groupings within the genus and you would not expect compatibility.It would be easier to imagine a cross within the fleshy flowered, shiny leafed types or the sugar apple/cherimoya/reticulate/ilama group. It has a A.montana thing going on.

Soren · « **Reply #10 on:** July 31, 2013, 05:39:31 AM »

Quote from: Mike T on July 31, 2013, 04:56:57 AM

I think soursop and cherimoya are from different groupings within the genus and you would not expect compatibility.It would be easier to imagine a cross within the fleshy flowered, shiny leafed types or the sugar apple/cherimoya/reticulate/ilama group. It has a A.montana thing going on.

I am not convinced either - I am sure Har has commented on that possible cross before on the forum.! How about some close up photos of the fruit etc. and a bit information about the origin of the tree?

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #11 on:** July 31, 2013, 09:28:43 AM »

Quote from: Mike T on July 31, 2013, 04:56:57 AM

I think soursop and cherimoya are from different groupings within the genus and you would not expect compatibility.It would be easier to imagine a cross within the fleshy flowered, shiny leafed types or the sugar apple/cherimoya/reticulate/ilama group. It has a A.montana thing going on.

guanabana won't cross with sugar apple, illama, atemoya, reticulata, or cherimoya.

this supposed hybrid tree is probably a species.

davidgarcia899 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 31, 2013, 12:15:40 PM »

Hey guys she sent me some better pictures of the fruit and one cut open, this is definitely A. montana

murahilin · « **Reply #13 on:** July 31, 2013, 12:40:06 PM »

Quote from: davidgarcia899 on July 31, 2013, 12:15:40 PM

Hey guys she sent me some better pictures of the fruit and one cut open, this is definitely A. montana

If its okay with her, can you post the pics here? Thanks.

davidgarcia899 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 31, 2013, 01:19:47 PM »

nullzero · « **Reply #15 on:** July 31, 2013, 01:31:02 PM »

David,

Thanks for posting the pictures, it looks like a nice A. montana. Reading up about it, some are not very good quality (it sounds like this tree has a good quality fruit).

JF · « **Reply #16 on:** July 31, 2013, 02:55:42 PM »

Quote from: Mike T on July 31, 2013, 04:56:57 AM

I think soursop and cherimoya are from different groupings within the genus and you would not expect compatibility.It would be easier to imagine a cross within the fleshy flowered, shiny leafed types or the sugar apple/cherimoya/reticulate/ilama group. It has a A.montana thing going on.

I've read a study from Indian where they grafted soursop onto cherimoya rootstock. I have not be successful have you tried it?? Mike, when I cross cherimola x reticulata and diversifolia will the fruit change in appearance or taste?? I have a few fruits that have set what can I expect in the next few months as the hybrids develop??

ofdsurfer · « **Reply #17 on:** July 31, 2013, 04:27:52 PM »

Quote from: JF on July 31, 2013, 02:55:42 PM

Quote from: Mike T on July 31, 2013, 04:56:57 AM
I think soursop and cherimoya are from different groupings within the genus and you would not expect compatibility.It would be easier to imagine a cross within the fleshy flowered, shiny leafed types or the sugar apple/cherimoya/reticulate/ilama group. It has a A.montana thing going on.

I've read a study from Indian where they grafted soursop onto cherimoya rootstock. I have not be successful have you tried it?? Mike, when I cross cherimola x reticulata and diversifolia will the fruit change in appearance or taste?? I have a few fruits that have set what can I expect in the next few months as the hybrids develop??

I could be wrong but I thought that it only affected the fruit from the trees produced by the seeds of the crossed fruit.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #18 on:** July 31, 2013, 06:55:05 PM »

JF,

there can be a variability of graft compatablilty within each species, so some soursop seedlings are more compatible than others...same with pond apple, cherimoya...and so on.

There's a special pond apple I'm getting seeds from, and it's supposed to be the best variety for optimal grafting compatibility...making a good rootstock for many annonas, like soursop, illama, reticulata, and even others like salzmannii.

Guanabanus said it before, and made me realize this! in the thread, hungry for more information about annona hybrids.

Quote from: Guanabanus on March 07, 2012, 05:42:52 PM

Graft compatibility is dificult to predict.

Try to find several published "Annona graft compatibility" charts to compare. You will find they proclaim rather different conclusions!

The fact is that different varieties can be as different in their compatiblities as if they were different species.

Try to know what tree your rootstock seed comes from, and label the batch accordingly. Keep records of which varieties of scions flourish on that rootstock batch.
Yes it can get very involved, but it is easy to waste time and money when one doesn't keep records and just tries over and over willy nilly. Speaking from experience!

Mike T · « **Reply #19 on:** July 31, 2013, 07:11:01 PM »

JF there are a number of folk with more annona 'muscle' than me on the forum who could answer questions more definitively.It seems you are asking if cross pollination influences the maternal tissue and makes for halfway fruit. I reckon no, it is not possible but others disagree.This has been discussed before and there was evidence presented that on some occasions hybrid pollination may influence fruit character.The hybrid fruit result in the next generation when the seeds with the mixed genes grow.

fruitlovers · « **Reply #20 on:** July 31, 2013, 07:25:57 PM »

Quote from: nullzero on July 31, 2013, 01:31:02 PM

David,

Thanks for posting the pictures, it looks like a nice A. montana. Reading up about it, some are not very good quality (it sounds like this tree has a good quality fruit).

Most A. montana fruits are terrible tasting, with similar soapy taste to pond apple (A. glabra). i've heard there are some montanas that can be good tasting but i've never run across them yet, ditto for pond apple.

JF · « **Reply #21 on:** July 31, 2013, 07:35:23 PM »

Quote from: Mike T on July 31, 2013, 07:11:01 PM

JF there are a number of folk with more annona 'muscle' than me on the forum who could answer questions more definitively.It seems you are asking if cross pollination influences the maternal tissue and makes for halfway fruit. I reckon no, it is not possible but others disagree.This has been discussed before and there was evidence presented that on some occasions hybrid pollination may influence fruit character.The hybrid fruit result in the next generation when the seeds with the mixed genes grow.

I understand that the next generations are from the seeds but I was just curious because I cross pollinated my two cherimoya trees with atemoya pollen two years ago and I got a lot of weird shape and different tasting fruits. The problem was that I never labeled them.

Guanabanus · « **Reply #22 on:** August 01, 2013, 11:39:02 PM »

Somehow I missed this thread before. It is definitely Annona Montana, or as I would prefer, Guanabanus montanus.

Pollen usually doesn't influence anything obvious, other than the actual seed inside the seed coat. One glaring exception is Annona glabra pollen put on Sugar-apple or Ilama: Fruit larger, different skin shapes, spongy inedible pulp, and only liquid inside the seed coats.

JF · « **Reply #23 on:** August 02, 2013, 07:48:43 PM »

Quote from: Guanabanus on August 01, 2013, 11:39:02 PM

Somehow I missed this thread before. It is definitely Annona Montana, or as I would prefer, Guanabanus montanus.

Pollen usually doesn't influence anything obvious, other than the actual seed inside the seed coat. One glaring exception is Annona glabra pollen put on Sugar-apple or Ilama: Fruit larger, different skin shapes, spongy inedible pulp, and only liquid inside the seed coats.

Har, so these hybrid cherimoyas should look and taste like their mother trees? I will monitor and document their progress all the way to maturity.

Guanabanus · « **Reply #24 on:** August 04, 2013, 12:53:31 AM »

They are Not hybrid cherimoyas!

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Author Topic: guanabana/cherimoya hybrid (Read 10759 times)