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What would be a good cultivar to graft onto Maha Chanok in view of the fact that it is of low vigor and semi-dwarf? I thought Ice Cream mango, but that maybe is not an elite mango worthy of sharing the tree. Only interested in elite types like perhaps Fruit Punch, Peach Cobbler, Sweet Tart, Coconut Cream, Cotton Candy, Edward, Pineapple Pleasure, Carrie... most which I believe are big and vigorous.
Ah ok. Well, it is marketed here that way. Actually, King Thai is, which is a clone seedling of Maha Chanok.Any recommendation based on the low vigor characteristic?
I think there are multiple clones of Maha Chanok. I was told that Dr Richard Campbell alluded to this fact during a talk.My Maha Chanok, which was grafted from Harry Hausman's tree, is low vigor. And Harry's trees were also of low vigor. I believe that the one being sold by zills / excalibur may be a different clone with perhaps more vigor.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 22, 2018, 10:34:01 AMI think there are multiple clones of Maha Chanok. I was told that Dr Richard Campbell alluded to this fact during a talk.My Maha Chanok, which was grafted from Harry Hausman's tree, is low vigor. And Harry's trees were also of low vigor. I believe that the one being sold by zills / excalibur may be a different clone with perhaps more vigor.It’s the same Mango as far as I can tell. Richard made everyone think that there were “multiple” Mahas with that comment but in reality the trees that Harry and Fairchild Farm had produced the same fruit as the Excalibur trees. The issue I’ve encountered is there was budwood supplied to Zill for an order of Maha trees I did in 2013 that was definitely not Maha but was a Thai mango that develops some blush. It tends to turns red when the fruit are pea sized.
Would there necessarily be a difference in the fruit of selected clones? With respect to the NDM clones, I can't tell a NDM #4 fruit from the older NDM (#8?) fruit. The only difference I see there is that the former is more precocious, more prone to splitting, and sometimes smaller statured then the latter. I have one of the older NDM's and my neighbor has #4. I've been observing both for close to a decade now. My assumption was that MC would be similar.Quote from: Squam256 on February 22, 2018, 10:40:46 AMQuote from: Cookie Monster on February 22, 2018, 10:34:01 AMI think there are multiple clones of Maha Chanok. I was told that Dr Richard Campbell alluded to this fact during a talk.My Maha Chanok, which was grafted from Harry Hausman's tree, is low vigor. And Harry's trees were also of low vigor. I believe that the one being sold by zills / excalibur may be a different clone with perhaps more vigor.It’s the same Mango as far as I can tell. Richard made everyone think that there were “multiple” Mahas with that comment but in reality the trees that Harry and Fairchild Farm had produced the same fruit as the Excalibur trees. The issue I’ve encountered is there was budwood supplied to Zill for an order of Maha trees I did in 2013 that was definitely not Maha but was a Thai mango that develops some blush. It tends to turns red when the fruit are pea sized.
There are multiple variants of Kesar, which I think monoembryonic (I haven't ever examined the seeds). I have both Jumbo and regular, and the only difference I can note is size. Granted, I haven't gotten more than a handful of fruit from each tree.That said, all MC here could be one and the same. I know NDM #4 is high variable in terms of stature. I've seen trees over a decade old that stand a mere 7 feet tall, and I've seen trees that grow into monsters. Perhaps there is some rootstock influence.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 23, 2018, 11:00:00 AMThere are multiple variants of Kesar, which I think monoembryonic (I haven't ever examined the seeds). I have both Jumbo and regular, and the only difference I can note is size. Granted, I haven't gotten more than a handful of fruit from each tree.That said, all MC here could be one and the same. I know NDM #4 is high variable in terms of stature. I've seen trees over a decade old that stand a mere 7 feet tall, and I've seen trees that grow into monsters. Perhaps there is some rootstock influence.Do you know what version Excalibur sells? I bought my Kesar there. What is your Maha grafted to? I think Harry’s origInal was from Thailand.I have a “Jumbo” Kesar with budwood sourced from Fairchild. The fruit from this tree seems to be the same size as the “regular” Kesar, but the photos of the Jumbo looks like a significantly larger fruit with perhaps a more pronounced hook at the bottom. On the other hand, I had a Regular Kesar in Loxahatchee that came from you by way of Zill years ago that produced seemingly “Jumbo” sized Kesars. I topworked a Baptiste tree to that and transplanted it to West Palm where it’s growing now.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 23, 2018, 11:00:00 AMThere are multiple variants of Kesar, which I think monoembryonic (I haven't ever examined the seeds). I have both Jumbo and regular, and the only difference I can note is size. Granted, I haven't gotten more than a handful of fruit from each tree.That said, all MC here could be one and the same. I know NDM #4 is high variable in terms of stature. I've seen trees over a decade old that stand a mere 7 feet tall, and I've seen trees that grow into monsters. Perhaps there is some rootstock influence.What is your Maha grafted to? I think Harry’s origInal was from Thailand.I have a “Jumbo” Kesar with budwood sourced from Fairchild. The fruit from this tree seems to be the same size as the “regular” Kesar, but the photos of the Jumbo looks like a significantly larger fruit with perhaps a more pronounced hook at the bottom. On the other hand, I had a Regular Kesar in Loxahatchee that came from you by way of Zill years ago that produced seemingly “Jumbo” sized Kesars. I topworked a Baptiste tree to that and transplanted it to West Palm where it’s growing now.
Quote from: Squam256 on February 23, 2018, 11:43:27 AMQuote from: Cookie Monster on February 23, 2018, 11:00:00 AMThere are multiple variants of Kesar, which I think monoembryonic (I haven't ever examined the seeds). I have both Jumbo and regular, and the only difference I can note is size. Granted, I haven't gotten more than a handful of fruit from each tree.That said, all MC here could be one and the same. I know NDM #4 is high variable in terms of stature. I've seen trees over a decade old that stand a mere 7 feet tall, and I've seen trees that grow into monsters. Perhaps there is some rootstock influence.Do you know what version Excalibur sells? I bought my Kesar there. What is your Maha grafted to? I think Harry’s origInal was from Thailand.I have a “Jumbo” Kesar with budwood sourced from Fairchild. The fruit from this tree seems to be the same size as the “regular” Kesar, but the photos of the Jumbo looks like a significantly larger fruit with perhaps a more pronounced hook at the bottom. On the other hand, I had a Regular Kesar in Loxahatchee that came from you by way of Zill years ago that produced seemingly “Jumbo” sized Kesars. I topworked a Baptiste tree to that and transplanted it to West Palm where it’s growing now.