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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hand Pollination - passiflora decaisneana
« on: September 15, 2023, 03:44:08 PM »
Here is what is fruiting:

Passiflora Edulis var flavicarpa (Hawaiian Lilokoi yellow)


Passiflora Edulis 'Frederick'



Passiflora Edulis 'Galaxy' (this was bought at Ricardo's nursery in Anaheim.



Passiflora Phoenicia 'Ruby Glow'



Passiflora Edulis 'Golden Sweet' (also bought at Ricardo's)



I have the following flowering as well: passiflora caerulea, passifora incaranata, passiflora incense. Passiflora Edulis 'Columbia Red' will be flowering soon. Passiflora Lingularis is now 4 years old and neither have flowered.

I have about 20 or so other varieties either in seedlings or newly acquired plants that I am waiting for flowering: nigradenia, antioquiensis, tarminiana, mollissima, laurifolia, cumbalensis, pinnatistipula, serrulata, maliformis, platyloba, quadrangularis,  and quite a few edulis hybrids.

What is the sweetest one that does not need hand pollination or cross pollination?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Taiwan Trip
« on: September 08, 2023, 09:48:07 PM »
I'm headed to Taiwan in late December to tour the entire island on cycle route 1. This probably isn't the ideal time for fruit but regardless I was hoping to get an advice from locals or others who have visited. Especially interested in worthwhile markets or farms that I can try to include on my journey.
I forgot to tell you, December is a good month for fresh vegetables, especially cabbage. Taiwan's cabbage is the most delicious vegetable I've ever eaten. They usually just simply stirr fried it with garlic. It tasted sweet, tender but crunchy, and has a nice addictive flavor. Taiwanese believes it because of the fresh spring mineral water from Mount Alishan where it mostly grown. It is weird how I can be addicted to cabbage, but I  did.
For the best taste you should eat them right away after it stir fried. There are plenty of made by order restaurants around Feng Chia. Just pick the most crowded one, you cannot go wrong.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hand Pollination - passiflora decaisneana
« on: September 02, 2023, 07:58:20 PM »
Diana, ok, I have good and bad news for you. My passiflora decaisneana is growing like crazy, and this month it started to have lots of flowers. None of them had set fruit until 2 weeks ago when I hand pollinated (self pollinate) with it's own pollen. Immediately after I hand pollinated the flower, it set fruits within 3-4 days.

So, if you want fruits, you will need to manually hand pollinate the flowers. This year (3rd year) my vine has tons of flowers so when I get chance to hand polllinate them every day, only those are the ones holding fruit. I might have 10 fruits starting now, and maybe another 50 small flower buds that will open every day (3-7) so it could be a huge crop of fruits this season for me.

Now I will need to figure out how to support these heavy fruits before they get to full size. My vine is growing all over the place, mixed with my purple vine, and growing in/over my blood orange tree and avocado tree. Also starting to grow into my persimmon tree, loquat tree, and mulberry tree. Next year I will trim it and make a trellis, now that I can move around better (knee surgery went well).

I guess the vine just needed to be older (3-4yrs) since grafting it. All is good.







Thanks for the news, Kaz. It is good but bad news.
The fruit is delicious, but hand pollinating the flowers is really an additional chore aside from keep trimming the super fast growing vine.
Please let me know how your fruit tastes when they are ripe, Kaz. Mine has some lychee undertone.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Taiwan Trip
« on: August 15, 2023, 03:09:11 PM »
I forgot to mention, pay attention if you see a pick up truck on side of the street. Farmers are often sell their fruit directly to consumers this way.
The pineapple should be in season, and they will cut it for you on the spot.
Guava is all year round.
If you happen to visit Feng Chia Night Market, look for a lady street vendor who sells Milk Guava. The best guava ever. She used to open her table on the right side of Feng Chia University main gate.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Taiwan Trip
« on: August 15, 2023, 02:53:13 PM »
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g293910-Activities-c26-t207-Taiwan.html

I have lived in Taichung for about 7-8 years, and Taoyuan for 2 years. I am ashamed that I have never visited any farmer market when I was there. Usually i just go to any traditional market nearby or night market, and just buy whatever fruit in season. Over there the street vendor offer different variant of food and beverage every hundred feet, so I was too busy eating them instead of fruit..

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Diana, my vine is huge, grew as much as my purple fruiting (self-fruiting) vine. My passiflora decaisneana has flowers for months, still having some flowers now. I didn't fertilize it with manure so maybe that's my problem. I did hand pollinate (with own flowers) on many of the flowers, but none set fruit. Maybe it's still too young, maybe next year, I hope.

I'm hoping to find someone who may have PQML rooted and growing so that I can grafted it to my vines.

Hoang did tell me that for the purple fruit variety, he said the best tasting is one called Black Magic, so that's the one to grow.

Thanks, Kaz! I hand pollinated mine too without any result.
The Black Magic sounds tempting, hope it does not need cross pollination or hand pollination. I will DM Hoang.

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Hi Kaz, I got 3 fruits last year, plant was less than a year old started from a cutting I got from member Hoang.

It’s growing next to Purple Possum, but I don’t think it pollinated the Decaisneana.  The fruits were only partially filled, but really tasty.  Sweeter than edulis with more tropical pineapple flavor.  I’m looking forward to getting more fruits.

I bought a Quadrangularis to grow with it for pollination.  Hoang was growing his near PQML, which was his selection of a cross between Quadrangularis and Decaisneana.

He also told me for good fruit set to apply steer manure in the spring, so maybe it needs a lot more food.

Here is a picture of my largest fruit of the three from last year.


Janet

Hi Janet,

How is your P. Decaisneana doing now? Does it produce a lot more fruit with manure feeding? Do you think it has to be cross pollinated with Quadrangularis?
Mine is growing giant but 0 fruit. The only single fruit I tasted was really good, that's why it is not axed yet.
I am afraid if I put manure it will grow even crazier than it is now instead of spending the energy to produce fruit.

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Plantinyum, I don't know, but it could be, others have mentioned it as well. I could not use the pollen from this one to pollinate the other vine since their flowering times are different. This one seems to flower a month or two sooner. Right now, I still have flowers blooming on my Passiflora decaisneana.

For fertliziing the plant, I think any manure from the nursery should work. Hoang who is the person who gave me the Passiflora decaisneana and also created the Passiflora Quadrangularis ML (PQML) said to me, just use manure for getting fruits. He also said this vine is quadrangularis.

Hi Kaz,

How is the productivity of your P.Decaisneana? Are you able to get any fruit without hand pollination?

It will decide the fate of my P.Decaisneana vine. It grows like a beast, the flowers are stunning and actually smell wonderful. But I only got 1 fruit in 3 years! The fruit was delicious with a hint of lychee flavor, but it was only 1/3 flesh of the rather big shell. It grows next to my Purple possum that produces 50-100 lbs of fruit every year without any care (except pruning once a year).
At this point I am considering digging the Decaisneana out because it is too high maintenance with constant pruning every week. If I also have to hand pollinate it to get fruit, this vine will have to go.
Do I still need to hand pollinate it if I fertilize it with manure? I believe I read that another member in this forum who grows P.Decaisneana and her/his vine produces without hand pollination.

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We do not have Zelle. Cooked cassava leaves are edible.
Ok, i will set up a paypal then. Thanks.

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Do you take zelle payment by any chance?
Is the yellow cassava leaves edible like the regular ones? We cook cassava leaves with coconut milk and tumeric, it is delicious and nutritious.

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Interesting your Coconut Cream mango tree died. I live near the coast too and my CC grows quite well. I constantly have to trim the tree to maintain form and control vigor. This issue I have will Coconut Cream is production or lack thereof. I have about 40% of the tree top worked to Seacrest which has grown well from a three-year graft and now has fruit on it. (See 1st photo)

Lemon zest has grown well for me. My five-year-old tree is now 9-10 feet tall. (See 2nd photo). Still no fruit yet but I am willing to give this variety more time but just in case I have already added Peach Cobbler and Cotton Candy grafts.

Johnny



(Coconut Cream-Seacrest Mango Tree 6-29-23)




 (Lemon Zest Mango Tree 6-29-23)

Your LZ is really good looking!
Is it on Manila rootstock? My CC on Manila is half dead now, and I am thinking to replace it with LZ on turpentine rootstock.
Did your LZ have any flower in 5 years but just don't fruit because of PM?
I never spray my trees and my OS lost most of it's fruit to PM every year. It makes me hesitate to get an LZ.

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can anyone suggent good online or loca store for val-Carrie and Venus mango trees?

I always have good experience with everglades.farm
They don't have Venus right now but they have Val Carie.
Val Carie is productive and grows well for me, but the branches are droopy.

Mine might have good rootstock, it's the most upright of my grafted trees.

Do you know what your rootstock is, Oolie?
I will take a pic of my Val Carie tomorrow. It looks ridiculous with the branches all over the ground even though the tree is really healthy and trouble free.

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can anyone suggent good online or loca store for val-Carrie and Venus mango trees?

I always have good experience with everglades.farm
They don't have Venus right now but they have Val Carie.
Val Carie is productive and grows well for me, but the branches are droopy.

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"Almost neglected, with just automatic drip system, the Sugarloaf grows beautifully and always gives me full size flawless fruits since the year I bought it. I thin it aggressively and only left 2-3 fruits each year since the tree is only 5 ft tall now from a 3 gallon on 2020."  By Palingkecil

Interesting my Sugarloaf mango tree on Turpentine in greenhouse conditions has not grown at all here in Socal. After over one year in the greenhouse, the tree is still only 27" tall. (See Photo)

Perhaps I have a dud, Low vigor with little growth. Would be nice for others that have Sugarloaf to post.  A wide-angle photo would be nice so we can actually see and compare. Let's see your flawless Sugerloaft fruits Palingkecil.

Johnny



Sugarloaf Mango Tree on Turpentine in Socal

I apologize for the quality of my pictures, my movements are very limited now since I am still recovering from surgery. I did not neglect my trees on purpose, but because I had to be on bed rest for about 7-8 months although I still managed to turn the drip system on and off depends on the rain forecast last year and this year.
I have around 15 mango trees, and only 2 are on Manila rootstock now, and those 2 seem really struggling. Some are seedlings, which grow fine but none of my seedlings have flowers in the 4th year.

My Sugarloaf lost 2 of it's big branches due to the strong wind last winter, I usually protect my trees before the storm, but I was in bed rest since last fall. The 2 circles are where the big branches broke because of the wind.
Last week I took off most of the fruits from the Sugarloaf and left 3 only. They are about the size of my thumb now.
Sugarloaf:







This is my Orange Sherbet:
Unfortunately all the fruit dropped because of the heavy PM during the wet spring this year.






I met a friend from a So-Cal mango grower in facebook, he lives about 3 miles away from me. according to him, his mango trees on turpentine are also grow better and more productive than the ones on Manila or Kent rootstocks.
One thing we do in common, we put about 6" mulch all over our yard. Maybe that is what makes the difference for the turpentine rootstock?
Also, annonas does not do well in my yard, I dug and gave away my annonas because they grow too slow and always drop their fruits before maturity. So the kind of soil that annona hates seems to do turpentine rootstock well.


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Has anyone try to grow / taste Golden Lady?  I believe only Wong farm near palm desert sells this variety?

I bought a  Golden Lady tree from Wong Farm in 2019. According to them, it grafted on their own rootstock which they said proven to be superior than turpentine or manila rootstock.
It was not the case in my backyard. Despite of the extra care, this tree did not grow much in my backyard, kept struggling until it just died last year.
Maybe it depends on each person's yard and position of each tree. Weirdly in my yard, Florida turpentine rootstock does better than any other rootstocks including Manila and 'California superior rootstocks' I bought from local So-Cal nurseries.
The best grower and most reliable mango in my yard is Sugarloaf on turpentine rootstock. I bought it on eBay from a backyard grower in Florida.
Almost neglected, with just automatic drip system, the Sugarloaf grows beautifully and always gives me full size flawless fruits since the year I bought it. I thin it aggressively and only left 2-3 fruits each year since the tree is only 5 ft tall now from a 3 gallon on 2020.
OS on turpentine is super vigorous and productive, but the PM always heavy on this tree. OS fruit is delicious, but because of the PM, most fruitlets won't make it to maturity.


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Pluots do really well in my yard, which is mostly hot and dry zone 10A, and I like it better than my Burgundy plum, Emerald drop plum, and Santa Rosa Plum.
Pluots are as juicy as plums, but with more complex flavor, and their texture stays nice and crunchy even when they overripe, unlike plums that will turn soft and mushy.
Dapple Dandy and Flavor Queen fruit heavily just 2nd year in the ground, and I just bought another Flavor Grenade. Call or email Bay Laurel Nursery, they have a great selection of pluots, low prices, healthy trees, and good customer service.
Can you list all the ones you have? I was reading about Flavor Queen and I'm suspecting the pollinators needed for that one is different than those commonly listed

I got multi grafted pluots from this nursery:
https://www.groworganic.com/products/multi-grafted-constant-harvest-pluot-standard-no-1-size
They sold out but you can pre order for summer/fall 2023.
So they pollinate each other. The tree was big and fruit the 2nd year, but I am a little aware because it is on citation rootstock, but so far the tree is thriving and full of flowers now.
As many people mentioned, Flavor King is the most shy bearer of all pluots, it is the same case in my yard. Last year I got almost 100 pluots from my Dapple Dandy, and about 50 together from both Flavor Queen and Flavor Supreme, but only 2 pluots from Flavor King! And either a racoon or my gardener stole those 2!
So I cannot comment on the taste of Flavor King. Dapple Dandy and Flavor Queen are both very juicy especially when I pick them later, but they don't turn soft like plums. They both are very delicious! Flavor Supreme has a little acidic kick, and quite juicy too.
This year I bought a bare root Flavor Supreme from Bay Laurel nursery, I like them because they offer nemaguard rootstock  which is supposed to be better for dry climate.
Flavor Grenade pluot can be pollinated by Dapple Dandy or Flavor King. I chose Flavor Grenade because many describes it as  flavor bomb, and it is a heavy bearer.

If you still want a plum, get a Satsuma, it gets higher point than Santa Rosa for most people for the taste. It is a heavy bearer too.

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Pluots do really well in my yard, which is mostly hot and dry zone 10A, and I like it better than my Burgundy plum, Emerald drop plum, and Santa Rosa Plum.
Pluots are as juicy as plums, but with more complex flavor, and their texture stays nice and crunchy even when they overripe, unlike plums that will turn soft and mushy.
Dapple Dandy and Flavor Queen fruit heavily just 2nd year in the ground, and I just bought another Flavor Grenade. Call or email Bay Laurel Nursery, they have a great selection of pluots, low prices, healthy trees, and good customer service.


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The scions arrive today. All in good size and nicely wrapped. I am very happy. Thank you for the extra too!!

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Hi Mark, any cherilata scion stilk available?

Thanks

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Sent a PM

I didn't get a PM from you.. I don't think? Please re-send or post in here. Thanks

Shipped out a few orders today of cherimoya and sapote.

Just sent the payment yesterday, let me know if you received it or not. It seems like the PM has a little issue.

Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Colder than normal winter in Florida 22/23?
« on: December 22, 2022, 12:15:09 PM »
Just came across this article:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2016/05/26/year-without-a-summer-1816-mount-tambora/84855694/

This year in my zone 10A So-Cal seems much colder than the last 2 years. My fig trees did not even shed their leaves and keep produced fruit the last 2 winters, but this year all their leaves are gone by the end of November.
We have had a few small volcano eruptions in Indonesia this year.
Some theory says the eruption is earth's natural way to cool itself down.
Not into politic, but maybe it is a possibility they can drill some holes near volcanos all over the world to combat global warming?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Makrut lime
« on: November 23, 2022, 11:32:46 AM »
I added a little of kaffir lime juice to salmon dish  without tasting it first. Big mistake... Its not like any other limes. Its strong and bitter. I am not sure how people like it but i am ready to cull my tree since i have no use of fruits.
Ana
Yes, you are right, Makrut lime is stronger than other citrus juice. The key to avoid biterness is, we cannot squeeze this lime too hard like lemon or other lime. Just squeeze it lightly. It is also a little more acidic than regular lemon, so a little goes a long way.
Another thing, we always let makrut limes turn yellow and ripe before pick it. This was they are less acidic and almost no bitterness.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Makrut lime
« on: November 22, 2022, 10:25:31 PM »
Diana, wow, good to know the juice has many uses for cooking. The beef salad sounds good.

Here's a few photo of my fruits, it doesn't get that many fruits on the tree yet.




Your tree looks healthy, Kaz. Makrut lime is really productive, in a few years you will be drown in citrus. When I have too many Makrut limes, I squeeze all the juice, mix it with baking soda and dish detergent, then use the mix to clean all my tiles and bathtub. Works as good as vinegar, plus my home smells very citrusy afterward.
Btw, my white Peruvian guava produces a lot of fruit this year, but they taste really bland. I think my gardener set up the drip system too often.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Makrut lime
« on: November 22, 2022, 07:46:31 PM »
In Indonesia, we use the juice for almost everything. We marinate meat and seafood in this juice with a little salt before cooking it. If you don't want the meat too sour, just rinse it before cooking. This juice washes away any fishy/ stench smell off.

I make beef salad with this juice. Like the one in a Thai restaurant. Just grill the beef as you prefer (medium rare is my preference) with a pinch of salt, then slice it as thin as you could, put it aside. Slice red onion and cherry tomato about 1/3 of the weight of the meat, I add some sliced Thai bird chili for a kick, mix everything with the meat, pour in the makrut juice, add a teaspoon of sugar and half teaspoon of salt per 2 lbs of meat (if you like it more salty, add more salt), mix well. You can serve it right away or keep it in the fridge for half an hour for the flavor to soak in.
The meat can be substituted with shrimp, squid, or fish fillet. add some cilantro if you like it.
We also like to mix a small amount of makrut juice with peanut sauce that we serve over blanched veggies.
I also always add some makrut juice when I serve a bowl of hot chicken soup.








 

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