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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: recifecbba on May 23, 2017, 12:28:36 AM
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anyone heard of this or tried it???? seems very interesting.....
http://www.rareseeds.com/palanda-papaya-vasconcellea-palandensis/ (http://www.rareseeds.com/palanda-papaya-vasconcellea-palandensis/)
The Palanda Papaya is without doubt the rarest papaya on earth, it is known to grow only on a couple of mountaintops in what was formerly rainforests. The plant is highly endangered because local landowners are clearing the forests and cutting down the plants for cattle range. Without some attention to replanting this unique fruit it is indeed in danger of extinction. It should not be, The fruits have lots of viable seeds and a few motivated individuals could easily grow seedlings and plant them in the nearby villages and backyards. But as of yet, no one seems to pay any attention. The fruit is almost spherical, when cut the thick rind exudes an opaque milk that is full of the enzyme paparin ( a prime ingredient in the meat tenderizer Accent). Inside, is a ball of translucent flesh embedded with the dark seds, The ball breaks apart into five segments not unlike a tangerine segment in form. Shockingly, the segments taste like tangerine! This plant could probably be grown in cooler tropical areas or as a plant in a big pot that you would move outside in the summer. It is likely that more than one plant would be necessary for pollination. A must for the serious fruit hobbyist. Seeds are likely dormant and will be a challenge to germinate. Papaya should be a key, and it is likely that they could take a quite a while 1-3 months to germinate.
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Cool fruit. i was half expecting a face hugger to jump at me.
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its mentioned here...
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14701.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14701.0)
and some info here
http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Vasconcellea+palandensis (http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Vasconcellea+palandensis)
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Hi all,
I have a few Palanda papaya seedlings started. I got them from Rare Vegetable Seed Consortium, but I see that Baker Heirloom Seeds has them as well.
I haven't managed to locate much info about them on the net, but I did locate a PowerPoint presentation in Spanish that says they can grow to 6 meters - so they are fairly substantial plants. The PowerPoint also says that sweets are made from the pulp - so hopefully that means they are tasty.
Seed germination has been slow and uneven so far, and I'm a bit concerned that their natural habitat appears to be somewhat cooler (60s - 80s F) than I can offer them here in hot, sticky Miramar. I didn't see that part until after I clicked to purchase. Oops. Perhaps I can "pug" them and keep them as houseplants, or restrict their growth by keeping them in relatively small pots.
We'll just wait and see how it goes....
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Quick update: So far 7 of the 12 seeds have sprouted. The seedlings are fairly vigorous and are now between 4-5 inches tall. I'm hoping to get a set of true leaves in the next couple of weeks. It's been quite hot in my seedling room (80-90 F), but the seedlings are growing nicely, so perhaps they are not as heat sensitive as I had imagined.
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very exciting...thanks for the info. I cant wait to hear how they turn out, potentially a new crop here for south florida....keep us posted
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Will do! :-)
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I bought the seeds from baker creek when you first posted about it and 2 have already germinated. Thanks for the heads up
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Please keep us posted, Buddyguygreen, I'd like to know how yours are faring. There seems to be so little information on them. 10 of my seeds have sprouted now. Hoping to get some males and females for pollination. I'm going to try planting them out in November or December to give them a "cool" start.
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With all these reports of viable seeds I decided to jump on this bandwagon. I hope they really do taste like tangerines.
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Me too!!! I hate papaya, but tangerines are delicious :-)
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Me too!!! I hate papaya, but tangerines are delicious :-)
I bet it tastes like regurgitated tangerines.
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HAHAHAHA! If so, I'll be in a quandary. Preserve a rare species or dig it up cuz it tastes terrible.
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It looks like I'm going to end up with a total of 10 seedlings. The batches from Baker germinated at 70% and the batch I bought elsewhere at 30% - so it looks like Baker was definitely the way to go for these seeds.
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will these handle the cold better since they're highland species?
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The little information I've found indicates a fairly narrow native temperature range of 60-80 degrees Fahrenheit and 5" of rain per month on average, but the seedlings I'm growing seem to be handling the low 90s with no difficulty at all.
I've got no idea how they would handle temperatures under 60, but you can always keep them in pots and move them indoors over winter. Give it a shot :-)
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Here are a few (badly taken) pics of my seedlings.
2 or 3 few have died, but additional seeds have also sprouted so my final count is going to be 11 seedlings from about 25 seeds. I suppose that's not too shabby. I am getting first sets of true leaves now, and I'm very excited to possibly plant them out in a month or 2. I'm hoping that they are like my other papayas and are more vigorous once they are planted in the ground.
How is everyone else doing with their seedlings?
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2 more pics of the fruit. These aren't mine (obviously), but I hadn't seen them before.
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I already have 1 ft tall plants of this. They do not like full sun as much as other papayas.
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Thanks for the info. I'm going to plant them in my seedling garden which is partially shaded. Are yours in pots or planted outdoors?
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Yes I had multiple plants so I put some in sun and some in shade they grow faster in shade under the one of my trees.
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Yes I had multiple plants so I put some in sun and some in shade they grow faster in shade under the one of my trees.
Their native climate appears to be somewhat similar to that of San Francisco, so I imagine they will thrive there. Is there any possibility of posting pictures? I'd really like to see what they look like when they are a bit larger.
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I've taken the plunge and planted one seedling in a compost-rich seedling bed outside under a shade tree, out of direct sun. It's 91 degrees in Miramar today, so I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for the best.
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Here's the link to the slide presentation, if anyone's interested.
https://es.slideshare.net/gabbyabad2/caricaceae
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Here's the link to the slide presentation, if anyone's interested.
https://es.slideshare.net/gabbyabad2/caricaceae
Thank you for this. I need to check my seeds to see if they popped up yet. I would love updates if you feel like posting them.
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Just a quick update. 3 seedlings are planted outside now. They seems to be handling temps in the 90s just fine in partial shade.
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Just a quick update. It's been several weeks since three seedlings were planted outside in the ground and it's becoming pretty clear that they really do not care for our soil here. They are becoming yellow and dropping leaves, but the plants outside in containers seem to be managing just fine. So I guess these are going to be container plants after all. That's kind of a bummer.
How is everyone else doing with their plants?
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Still waiting on mine to come up. Planted 7/19. How long did it take for them to come up?
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nothing have come up from mine. It's been over 6 weeks.
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They have sprouted very sporadically. Some came up in just a week, but some took a month or more. In fact, I just had a new seedling appear a few days ago from my initial planting, so don't give up hope. Hopefully, yours will sprout as well. I kept the soil extremely wet (they really seem to need a lot of moisture) and 80s-90s temperature.
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all 5 of mine germinated within 3 weeks, Ive been putting them in dappled sun after 2 P.M., left them out over night and lost 2 to the full sun but 3 are growing good.
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all 5 of mine germinated within 3 weeks, Ive been putting them in dappled sun after 2 P.M., left them out over night and lost 2 to the full sun but 3 are growing good.
Did you get your seeds from Baker Creek? When did you plant them?
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yea from baker creek, planted them first day of june
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Here's the link to the slide presentation, if anyone's interested.
https://es.slideshare.net/gabbyabad2/caricaceae
Thank you for this. I need to check my seeds to see if they popped up yet. I would love updates if you feel like posting them.
Well, I'm not sure how everyone else is doing with these, but my seedlings are not doing very well. They have grown, but they are certainly not thriving. Is anyone else doing well with them? I'd love to compare notes....
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I've got about 6 or so potted into 1gallons from a seed starter tray. The ones in a little more shade are doing awesome! Probably nearing 10" plus and developing really nice large leaves. All of them are doing well really and I'd say most are in direct sunlight 80% of the day in fairly high heat conditions (nights at medium 50's, days ranging from 70-100*). I have them potted in ProMix HP with added BioLive, iron sulfate and worm castings. I'll post some pictures later.
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Thanks for the information :-) I'm guessing that they don't like the heat here in Miami. Maybe I'll try putting them outside again over the winter and see how they fare.
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Could be, it's definitely pretty mild here. Gonna be rocking these guys in a greenhouse this winter I think.
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Thanks for the information :-) I'm guessing that they don't like the heat here in Miami. Maybe I'll try putting them outside again over the winter and see how they fare.
Mine are doing fine and its been very hot and humid and their in dappled sun, I only water them with rainwater so maybe its the water your using.
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I'm using distilled, but I'll try rainwater and maybe that will do the trick. Do you have them outdoors or indoors?
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outdoors
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Thanks a lot :-) I'll put them back outside and see what happens.
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I water with city water but it is magical hetch hetchy water...
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Has anyone tried Mita, Vasconcellea candicans? They have it on http://www.rareseeds.com (http://www.rareseeds.com)
This one lives in micro climates in the Andean mountains in Peru. Very hardy and drought resistant.
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i just went online to baker creek and could not find the papaya seeds, ???? so where/how are you guys finding them?? Patrick
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Has anyone tried Mita, Vasconcellea candicans? They have it on http://www.rareseeds.com (http://www.rareseeds.com)
This one lives in micro climates in the Andean mountains in Peru. Very hardy and drought resistant.
(https://s1.postimg.cc/4ysn4kpvmz/18446868_10154911936788248_8617295185586562143_n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4ysn4kpvmz/)
Didn't get germination! It's been months and still no sign.
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i just went online to baker creek and could not find the papaya seeds, ???? so where/how are you guys finding them?? Patrick
here is Mita http://www.rareseeds.com/mita-vasconcellea-candicans/ (http://www.rareseeds.com/mita-vasconcellea-candicans/)
they don't have V. palandensis anymore, this is so rare only in south Ecuador
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Didn't get germination! It's been months and still no sign.
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I ordered also from rarepalmseeds.com, although they are more expensive, I hope they are fresh..
And also I asked a friend who is hiking in Peru to collect seeds from Mita, fresh ones.
Check few of them they might get rotten.
The thing with Vasconcellea is that you need to remove the sarcotesta, and this is usually not done by the seeds collectors. There are some treatments that are mandatory to undertake them, unless the seeds are not older than a month. Which is hardly the case.
For those lucky who have V. palandensis I hope you will take care of the plants and hopefully make fruits. The seeds are very rare. It's a ´Critically Endangered´ species which grows only in Ecuador, in Zamora-Chinchipe province. The extent of occurrence is only 6 km2. The species is not cultivated. The only known population is threatened by severe deforestation and timber extraction.
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Could be, it's definitely pretty mild here. Gonna be rocking these guys in a greenhouse this winter I think.
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Thanks a lot for the pics. I have been worried by what I considered to be curling at the edges of the leaves, but it looks like that's just the way the leaves develop. How old are your plants? Have your found them to be vigorous or somewhat reluctant growers?
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Has anyone tried Mita, Vasconcellea candicans? They have it on http://www.rareseeds.com (http://www.rareseeds.com)
This one lives in micro climates in the Andean mountains in Peru. Very hardy and drought resistant.
(https://s1.postimg.cc/4ysn4kpvmz/18446868_10154911936788248_8617295185586562143_n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4ysn4kpvmz/)
Didn't get germination! It's been months and still no sign.
Mine didn't come up either and then my trays got messed up so no go for me. :( I was really looking forward to this one. I wonder if Joseph Simcox was the one that got them to Baker Creek.
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Babaco also has leaves with that similar curl.
Could be, it's definitely pretty mild here. Gonna be rocking these guys in a greenhouse this winter I think.
(https://s1.postimg.cc/9oefx5g3ij/IMG_20170930_144623.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9oefx5g3ij/)
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Thanks a lot for the pics. I have been worried by what I considered to be curling at the edges of the leaves, but it looks like that's just the way the leaves develop. How old are your plants? Have your found them to be vigorous or somewhat reluctant growers?
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[/quote] I wonder if Joseph Simcox was the one that got them to Baker Creek.
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Most probably. One really need to hunt them, they have a narrow grow space that even the locals don't know where to pick them.
I tried to contact him, but his website is down. I saw his pictures with the vascocelleas it seems like he took them last year in the winter.
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Does any one have more seeds left V. palandensis ? I want to grow it as well, Baker Creek doesn't have the seeds anymore, and neither J Simcox.
Now about "Mita" Vasconcellea candicans I found more information in Spanish. It seems like is Critically Endangered, with only few spots in Peru and one location in Ecuador left. The plant is dioecious. What is very interesting is that it grows leaves in the humid season and when the dry season comes it drops all of them then it starts to flower. Finally it sets fruit with very little leaves left when the soil is very dry. It grows on very poor soils and it might be very hardy. maybe 20F. It is not cultivated.
For those who bought the seeds I have bad news: the seeds don't germinate (around 0.5%). They have a very low germination rate, not that they are bad or nonviable, but because the have some germination inhibitors making the plant very difficult to propagate.
The good news is that is possible to germinate it "in vitro" though embryo rescue with good results.
I have only 10 seeds to make this attempt. If anyone else is trying this let me know we can share some research.
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I'm afraid I don't have any more seeds, but I do have 7 plants. If they manage to reach fruiting size I will be happy to send you some seeds :-)
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Thanks for the offer, I'll hopefully wait. I hope your plants will fruit. But it takes 2 years, and you need both males and females. Use large containers, rather than directly planted into soil. They have the same requirements of Barack, which I grow. Remember not to water too much during cold nights.
Just use misting several times a day, they get eater from their leaves. Papillon is from pre-montane humid forests with a very draining soil. They get the water from air.
I would add that this is a rare occasions to gets this plans as not many people venture into the jungle.
J Simcox climbed 3 hours into humid jungle to collect them. There is only one location at 1850m altitude. I don't think there will be another guy going there again. Pretty soon the logging companies will reach that site. So I expect in the next 10 years to become extinct.
The plant was discovered by Belgian reaserachers in 1995. The original trees were cut down two years later. In 1997 they found another spot not far away.
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Hello!
I came across this thread while doing some research. I was wondering how everyone’s seedlings were doing. I got a packet of seeds from baker creek and started them back in may. Only one seedling made it and is about a foot tall and looking good. Seeing as I need male and female, I bought more seeds from TWF but I’m having trouble with getting them to germinate.
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Mine are doing well. 3 are about a foot as well, and one seems to be lagging behind at 5" or so. Germination was very, very sketchy.
Regards,
Scott
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Where specifically in Ecuador are the v. Palandesis found? Seems like a great vacation idea.
I need some of these seeds! Please anyone pm me if you find a place selling them!
Anyone have fruiting plants yet?
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Mine are doing well. 3 are about a foot as well, and one seems to be lagging behind at 5" or so. Germination was very, very sketchy.
Regards,
Scott
Do you have any update on your plants Scott? I have four plants and there is a little difference.. two have more smalish side leaves in the heel of main leaf and two havent have this feature..
I was wondering if it could be a sign of male/female? so would like to ask if you can see this difference in your seedlings?
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Mine are doing well. 3 are about a foot as well, and one seems to be lagging behind at 5" or so. Germination was very, very sketchy.
Regards,
Scott
Do you have any update on your plants Scott? I have four plants and there is a little difference.. two have more smalish side leaves in the hell of main leaf and two havent have this feature..
I was wondering if it could be a sign of male/female? so would like to ask if you can see this difference in your seedlings?
I'm afraid that only 1 lonely plant remains. They did not fare well at all for me.
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this species is rare, because it only grows in a certain climate
there is plenty of nearby rainforest for it to move into
which means its probably not very tolerant of environmental changes.
looking at the map
these 3 look like they might have more cold tolerance.
vasconcellea chilensis
vasconcellea glandulosa
vasconcellea quercifolia
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Collection-sites-of-the-21-Vasconcellea-species-within-tropical-America_fig1_40104874 (https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Collection-sites-of-the-21-Vasconcellea-species-within-tropical-America_fig1_40104874)
seems almost impossible to get seed for any
except quercifolia
or maybe here.
http://www.huertasurbanas.com/seeds-exchange/ (http://www.huertasurbanas.com/seeds-exchange/)
http://b-and-t-world-seeds.com/aleCat.asp?title=Caricaceae&list=294 (http://b-and-t-world-seeds.com/aleCat.asp?title=Caricaceae&list=294)
$20 for seed (even palanda)
https://www.rarepalmseeds.com/fruit_trees.shtml (https://www.rarepalmseeds.com/fruit_trees.shtml)
A treelet endemic to Ecuador where it is known from a single population in the Andes of Zamora province.
Vasconcellea palandensis is endemic to Ecuador. It is known only from one population in Zamora-Chinchipe province.
http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/43573/0 (http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/43573/0)
Humid, premontane forest at elevations from 1790 - 1,850 metres
Ecuador
Seed - sow in individual containers or in a nursery seedbed in light shade. Germination can be slow and difficult, taking about 30 days
http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Vasconcellea+palandensis (http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Vasconcellea+palandensis)
Highland papayas
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14701.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14701.0)
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I’ve got two seedlings. The larger one I got from baker creek and the smaller one is from TWF. They aren’t very cold tolerant. They were damaged at 45 F but not terribly. They also don’t like wet feet. Leaf hoppers adore them which makes the leaves all ugly and curled. Hopefully I get male and female and not two of one sex. I’m having a hard time finding another source for the seeds :(
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I’ve got two seedlings. The larger one I got from baker creek and the smaller one is from TWF. They aren’t very cold tolerant. They were damaged at 45 F but not terribly. They also don’t like wet feet. Leaf hoppers adore them which makes the leaves all ugly and curled. Hopefully I get male and female and not two of one sex. I’m having a hard time finding another source for the seeds :(
Jesssfl27, what soil are you using? I've tried commerical potting soil, garden soil and various mixtures but the plants don't seem to thrive at all. Mine is about the size of yours but nearly leafless and chlorotic. Are you feeding yours? If so, with what? I'd like to keep mine alive, but I'm not having much luck.
Scott
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I grow babaco and chamburo, and have done a lot of research on vasconcellea. I have seeds from 7 species that I am trying to germinate. Most germinate only in laboratory conditions.
The problem with papayas lies in the root system, once that is damaged root rot sets in. I have a solution for every problem of papayas in containers but I will not share them as it is my own research and invested years in trial and error.
To have a faster growth you need a deep container like 3 feet. Also your plants show signs of nutrient deficiency. A foliar spray containing microelements every 10 days will improve the appearance.
There is not much research on palanda. And who wants to go to the forest to pick up the seeds, he must be kidding. That is not a vacation to walk through jungle for 3 hours with snakes and other animals, especially to go there alone.
I know the exact location in case someone is so courageous and I asked many Ecuadorian friends to go to pick up some fruits, but they declined my offer. Those who have the plants you better preserve them. The forest where palanda is, will be cut in few years so it will become a extinct species soon.
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I’ve got two seedlings. The larger one I got from baker creek and the smaller one is from TWF. They aren’t very cold tolerant. They were damaged at 45 F but not terribly. They also don’t like wet feet. Leaf hoppers adore them which makes the leaves all ugly and curled. Hopefully I get male and female and not two of one sex. I’m having a hard time finding another source for the seeds :(
Jesssfl27, what soil are you using? I've tried commerical potting soil, garden soil and various mixtures but the plants don't seem to thrive at all. Mine is about the size of yours but nearly leafless and chlorotic. Are you feeding yours? If so, with what? I'd like to keep mine alive, but I'm not having much luck.
Scott
The larger one is in 1/3 parts sand, cow manure, and peat moss. Smaller one is in miracle grow natures care organic mix. I’d say both are surviving and not thriving. I’ll definitely try the foliar feeding as per lebmungs suggestion. So far I’ve given oscomote plus and compost. They don’t like wet feet at all. I’ve got them in fabric pots with the hope that it’ll be difficult to overwater. Im currently at war with the leaf hoppers. Hopefully once that’s over they’ll perk up a bit.
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I grow banana and chamburo, and have done a lot of research on vasconcellea. I have seeds from 7 species that I am trying to germinate. Most germinate only in laboratory conditions.
The problem with papayas lies in the root system, once that it's damaged root rot sets in. I have a solution for every problem of papayas in containers but I will not share them as it is my own research and invested years in trial and error.
To have a faster growth you need a deep container like 3 feet. Also your plants show signs of nutrient deficiency. A foliar spray every 10 days will improve the appearance.
There is not much research on palanda. And who wants to go to the forest to pick up the seeds, he must be kidding. That is not a vacation to walk through jungle for 3 hours with snakes and other animals, especially to go there alone.
I know the exact location in case someone is so courageous and I asked many Ecuadorian friends to go to pick up, but they declined my offer. Those who have the plants you better preserve them. The forest where palanda is will be cut in few years so it will become a extinct species soon.
do you have any palanda papaya growing?
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I’ve got two seedlings. The larger one I got from baker creek and the smaller one is from TWF. They aren’t very cold tolerant. They were damaged at 45 F but not terribly. They also don’t like wet feet. Leaf hoppers adore them which makes the leaves all ugly and curled. Hopefully I get male and female and not two of one sex. I’m having a hard time finding another source for the seeds :(
Jesssfl27, what soil are you using? I've tried commerical potting soil, garden soil and various mixtures but the plants don't seem to thrive at all. Mine is about the size of yours but nearly leafless and chlorotic. Are you feeding yours? If so, with what? I'd like to keep mine alive, but I'm not having much luck.
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The larger one is in 1/3 parts sand, cow manure, and peat moss. Smaller one is in miracle grow natures care organic mix. I’d say both are surviving and not thriving. I’ll definitely try the foliar feeding as per lebmungs suggestion. So far I’ve given oscomote plus and compost. They don’t like wet feet at all. I’ve got them in fabric pots with the hope that it’ll be difficult to overwater. Im currently at war with the leaf hoppers. Hopefully once that’s over they’ll perk up a bit.
I haven't had any problem with leaf hoppers, but that's probably because the plant doesn't seem to retain any leaves :-( The trunk looks healthy and green, and there are some small leaves pushing, so there is hope. I've moved it to a shaded area again as it doesn't seem to like direct sunlight at all. I'm also considering moving it indoors because the region that it comes from seems to average about 70 degrees Fahrenheit for most of the year. Maybe it just doesn't like the heat here in Miami. I'd love suggestions. I'd really like to keep it alive.
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I have 4 or 5 V. palandensis that I've grown from seed. I planted one in the ground this spring and it is just exploding! Heres one leaf that is about 3 times the size of my hand. It has begun its lateral branching and is a dense beautiful, healthy vasconcellea. I'll post some pictures tonight, because it's really very nice. Hopefully it will tolerate my clay soil this winter, haha.
Because, I think the knowledge of my process should be shared with anyone, I would gladly answer any questions!
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Once again move the plants into a deep container 3 feet and like 20 gallon. A ne-o deep container will distorse the tap root and eventually stop the growth.
Yes in soil the grow very fast. They have similar grow habit like papayas and other vasconcellea.
I am afraid the one you planted in clay soil at first cold rain root rot will set and there is nothing you can do. Unfortunately also the soil gets contaminated and you can't grow another email in the same position. The only way out is to root the stem above so you can save the aerial plant.
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Yeah, I can't restrict these beautiful plants into pots, because they really seem to necessitate being in the ground. I am in an area where a couple people have Babaco planted in the ground and it seems to manage just fine. Worst comes to worse I'll divert all water away from the tree. And if even then, I would root cuttings. I have found that planting them in a shallower, yet larger pot seems to be their preferred home.
My palandensis in pots are growing in Baby B.U. potting soil, and they are fed compost tea every so often. Keeping it organic and very light on the nutrient regiment, and they seem to be stoked.
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Your plants in pots are starving. They need nitrogen.
Carica species are heavy feeders, they grow fast and make new leaves every week.
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I'll get around to feeding them one of these days. I am also very inconsistent with watering, as in they dry out a little between waterings. They seem to be pretty cool with it though.
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Your watering seems to be good.
Daily watering will kill the plants. The soil needs to get dry first then you can water them. In fact never water the carica species 5 in to the trunk when the plants are young.
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Nice, I have a hoop house that is single layer plastic but stays a few degrees warmer and protects from wind and rain. I am thinking about planting a variety of different vasconcellea in here for protected conditions. I would probably dwarf them and keep using them for cuttings until flowers show up.
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Your watering seems to be good.
Daily watering will kill the plants. The soil needs to get dry first then you can water them. In fact never water the carica species 5 in to the trunk when the plants are young.
What condition do you recommend for winter/overwintering? I am +- same zone as you..
thanks, Daniel
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What condition do you recommend for winter/overwintering? I am +- same zone as you..
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In winter you should not water them. Keep the land very dry. Leaves will drop and growth will be on hold. It's not because of temperature but light. Mist the plants to take water but that is a little bit tricky inside the home where is very dry. Also a hard water will accumulate salts which will kill the plant.
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Do you think it would be worth it to provide supplemental lighting to Vasconcellea in winter? Or do you think it would be too stressful with cold temperatures? I am zone 9b/10a
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In winter you should not water them. Keep the land very dry. Leaves will drop and growth will be on hold. It's not because of temperature but light. Mist the plants to take water but that is a little bit tricky inside the home where is very dry. Also a hard water will accumulate salts which will kill the plant.
Are they deciduous also in nature or it is just lack of light? and at what temp should I keep them? I can provide them some artifical light..
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Do you think it would be worth it to provide supplemental lighting to Vasconcellea in winter? Or do you think it would be too stressful with cold temperatures? I am zone 9b/10a
In zone 9a should not be a problem to overwinter them, just don't let them freeze. Palanda grows at 1900 m where temperature it's 12-18C. it's premontane rainforest.
The hardest it's Vasconcellea pubescens aka Chamburo, this has a stronger resistance to cold than all the other studied. I also suspect Vasconcellea candicans to be very cold and dry hardy.
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Are they deciduous also in nature or it is just lack of light? and at what temp should I keep them? I can provide them some artifical light..
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No they are not deciduous, they drop leaves under stress, but they grow others fast. Yes a light would keep up the grow habit. Still you need a lot of lights, perhaps 100W LED blue and red good quality.
Another thing is they grow tall. and radius of the plant will reach 1 m.
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Much respect for your years of research. Perhaps if you share your Solutions for Papaya problem's , it could help these species not go Extinct!
That would be very powerful to have contributed in that manner , instead of you know, them going extinct because people did not have the full knowledge of how to keep them alive.
I grow babaco and chamburo, and have done a lot of research on vasconcellea. I have seeds from 7 species that I am trying to germinate. Most germinate only in laboratory conditions.
The problem with papayas lies in the root system, once that is damaged root rot sets in. I have a solution for every problem of papayas in containers but I will not share them as it is my own research and invested years in trial and error.
To have a faster growth you need a deep container like 3 feet. Also your plants show signs of nutrient deficiency. A foliar spray containing microelements every 10 days will improve the appearance.
There is not much research on palanda. And who wants to go to the forest to pick up the seeds, he must be kidding. That is not a vacation to walk through jungle for 3 hours with snakes and other animals, especially to go there alone.
I know the exact location in case someone is so courageous and I asked many Ecuadorian friends to go to pick up some fruits, but they declined my offer. Those who have the plants you better preserve them. The forest where palanda is, will be cut in few years so it will become a extinct species soon.
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here are mines so for they grow quite problemless, but i am worried about the winter and my notoric overwatering..
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Quick update on my palanda papayas, the larger one is almost dead. It got some pretty bad root rot and lost 85% of its root system. I repotted it in dry soil after cutting off most of the roots, trimming the majority of the leaves, and dunking the remaining roots in diluted hydrogen peroxide for a little while. It doesn’t seem to be improving but fingers crossed :'(
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Quick update on my palanda papayas, the larger one is almost dead. It got some pretty bad root rot and lost 85% of its root system. I repotted it in dry soil after cutting off most of the roots, trimming the majority of the leaves, and dunking the remaining roots in diluted hydrogen peroxide for a little while. It doesn’t seem to be improving but fingers crossed :'(
Once the root rot sets in it is impossible to save the plant. Never cut or trim the root of a vaconcellea, the root system is very complex and root rot again sets in.
The root rot it's coming from a fungi, and you cannot do anything about it.
The best is prevention. Overwintering is the main cause, annd second is the microbes in the soil.
Also the peroxide is very bad idea. It oxides the small roots and kill the plant. Sure you would think the peroxide will kill the fungi, well anything less than 3% is useless.
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here are mines so for they grow quite problemless, but i am worried about the winter and my notoric overwatering..
Again as I said before, move them as soon as possible into a 20 gallon pot. The need a deep pot. Anything small like that will just lead to root rot. The plants are also hungry.
The root looks like a giant carrot, without a proper pot they will grow round and plants starts to slow down growth.
This plant is supposed to flower in one year. With a small pot like that they will never flower.
Also if you are unexperinced with watering, don't use any organic fertilizer. Organics need to decompose which will increase the microbes in the soil and with overwatering is another way to root rot.
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what happen Lembug? Let's work together to help prevent extinction!
Much respect for your years of research. Perhaps if you share your Solutions for Papaya problem's , it could help these species not go Extinct!
That would be very powerful to have contributed in that manner , instead of you know, them going extinct because people did not have the full knowledge of how to keep them alive.
Quote from: lebmung on July 19, 2018, 07:18:42 AM
I grow babaco and chamburo, and have done a lot of research on vasconcellea. I have seeds from 7 species that I am trying to germinate. Most germinate only in laboratory conditions.
The problem with papayas lies in the root system, once that is damaged root rot sets in. I have a solution for every problem of papayas in containers but I will not share them as it is my own research and invested years in trial and error.
To have a faster growth you need a deep container like 3 feet. Also your plants show signs of nutrient deficiency. A foliar spray containing microelements every 10 days will improve the appearance.
There is not much research on palanda. And who wants to go to the forest to pick up the seeds, he must be kidding. That is not a vacation to walk through jungle for 3 hours with snakes and other animals, especially to go there alone.
I know the exact location in case someone is so courageous and I asked many Ecuadorian friends to go to pick up some fruits, but they declined my offer. Those who have the plants you better preserve them. The forest where palanda is, will be cut in few years so it will become a extinct species soon.
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what happen Lembug? Let's work together to help prevent extinction!
Well I already started to give advice on the problems. If someone listens to what I say they will not die. If people read on Internet all kind of home remedies like applying H2O2 or other wonder teas for sure they will die.
When I said I will not say everything I referred to some advanced techniques to make them flourish and grow fast which applies to the whole vasconcellea family.
The DNA was extracted and cryopreserved so it will not be lost forever.
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If "Don't use any organics" and " Grow it in a pot or it will die" is the only advice your offering from your research I think I'll take my chances and do what I know to do, which is consequently the opposite of those 2 suggestions.
Wonder tea is what myself and my plant's drink first thing in the morning, daily! Let's compare notes and Palanda pictures come Springtime. errr , I'll give you my notes at least , it's all good.
what happen Lembug? Let's work together to help prevent extinction!
Well I already started to give advice on the problems. If someone listens to what I say they will not die. If people read on Internet all kind of home remedies like applying H2O2 or other wonder teas for sure they will die.
When I said I will not say everything I referred to some advanced techniques to make them flourish and grow fast which applies to the whole vasconcellea family.
The DNA was extracted and cryopreserved so it will not be lost forever.
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If "Don't use any organics" and " Grow it in a pot or it will die" is the only advice your offering from your research I think I'll take my chances and do what I know to do, which is consequently the opposite of those 2 suggestions.
Wonder tea is what myself and my plant's drink first thing in the morning, daily! Let's compare notes and Palanda pictures come Springtime. errr , I'll give you my notes at least , it's all good.
I think gave more advice then only that. And I never said you should grow it only in a a pot, if you live in a warm climate sure put it in soil. Test that soil structure and see what you can plant.
As for organics fertilizer, I said that the breakdown of components in the soil will kill the root. A high concentration of anaerobic bacteria will lead to root rot. Sure if you have a good dose and know how much mulch and organic fertilizer to use, they will survive and grow well. But I see on this topic many died because of root rot, so I gave my best advice that is safer not to use organic fertilizer in a pot or use it in a limited manner
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Lebmung,
Thank you for all of the advice. As you state, it's very important to preserve this species.
Best regards,
Scott
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Just a quick update: Rare Palm Seeds does have these in stock. I just received 20 seeds from him, and they appear to be the real thing. Now hopefully some will germinate for me.
https://www.rarepalmseeds.com/fruit_trees.shtml (https://www.rarepalmseeds.com/fruit_trees.shtml)
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Yes they have and it's the only one. The stock is from 3 years ago when someone went to the jungle and collected them. I expect germination to drop to 5-15%, without the help of chemicals. Other vasconcellea have 0-5% germination rate unless germinated in vitro.
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Yes they have and it's the only one. The stock is from 3 years ago when someone went to the jungle and collected them. I expect germination to drop to 5-15%, without the help of chemicals. Other vasconcellea have 0-5% germination rate unless germinated in vitro.
Thanks, Lebmung. I can live with that. Germination has been the easy part with these guys, it's keeping them healthy afterward that's problematic for me.
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Yes the seeds are good. If two out of 10 germinate it's very good.
Just follow my advice about the soil and they will not die.
Also they take water from their leaves so when it's cold misting them daily 3-5 times it's enough. When it's humid and hot and the soil doesn't dry up the same applies.
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Heads up, Trade Winds Fruits just got the Palanda papaya back in stock! Just ordered 2 seed packets.
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That'a great! Hopefully, more people will try growing these :-)
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Thinking about getting some. How is everyone germinating theirs?
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I've used both moist paper towel and direct planting in seedling containers. Direct planting has worked better for me. Just don't keep the soil too wet. They hate it.
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I've used both moist paper towel and direct planting in seedling containers. Direct planting has worked better for me. Just don't keep the soil too wet. They hate it.
What are your temp and humidity levels?
Should I do a potassium nitrate soak or anything like that?
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28 C and 90% dark, yes KNO3 might help, but the % hasn't been tested.
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Yes they have and it's the only one. The stock is from 3 years ago when someone went to the jungle and collected them. I expect germination to drop to 5-15%, without the help of chemicals. Other vasconcellea have 0-5% germination rate unless germinated in vitro.
Thanks, Lebmung. I can live with that. Germination has been the easy part with these guys, it's keeping them healthy afterward that's problematic for me.
Keep us updated! :)
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1 of my 4 seedlings start to make first flowers, these will be probably male..
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How exciting! Please post lots of pictures :-)
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Hard to tell what kind of flowers are coming out.
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How exciting! Please post lots of pictures :-)
have only this for now:) will be in garden in 2-3 days so will take more picstures, also by that time they should be more emerged now they were really tiny..
Hard to tell what kind of flowers are coming out.
i think they are going to be on the long stalks like the males on other papaya relatives.. but might be wrong lets wait few days..
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My V. palandensis has been showing browning tips and necrosis in the tips of leaf tissue. I'm thinking it's a nutrient deficiency or a root issue maybe? I'm trying not to over water it but maybe I am under watering it? The soil it's in is fairly moist and was receiving shade around the base until a few weeks ago where I gave it a little more exposure. I also have a fairly high water table, about 2' below soil surface is heavy wet clay. I wonder if this is causing root issues?
Anyone have any ideas?
I think my plant is on the bring of pushing a flower cluster.
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Wet clay is the sure way to death. Anaerobic bacteria is eating the roots.
This is slow decline because of overwintering. But in a heave clay soil it's impossible to manage the water.
Once cold weather sets in the plant will die.
I suggest you save the plant by airlaying.
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The thing is it's late summer here right now. Hasn't had any cold temperatures outside of a pot.
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When I say cold I mean nights with a temperature drop to 16.
This species comes from tropical premontane forest at 1800 altitude. The temperature interval is 14-28C. Humid conditions. The soil structure is high organic material and sandy. It's instant draining. And the most important the microbes from the forest live in symbiosis with the roots.
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Hmm, I have kept them outdoors through 0*C temperature and they have done just fine unprotected and fully exposed, albeit, in pots.
I am thinking of grafting some side shoots onto Babaco. Has anyone ever grafted Vasconcellea?
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Yes I did graft papaya on babaco. Side graft it's easy.
However the roots of babaco are weak as well.
The best rootstock is Chamburo grown from seed. (should you need seeds let me know)
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here are more photos of the flower clusters forming, they are still very small.. also the second seedling is starting to form flowers this have a bit purple color, but it might be caused with lower temps.. these two seedlings have same grow habitus the other two seedlings that havent flowered yer are shorter and have more compact growth, also they are already growing side shoots/branches.. so i think this might be a gender difference sign? taller males and compact robust females?
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here is the second seedling tiny flower cluster
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Nice job you've done, not many Europeans seem to grow them.
The first seem to be male and the second I can tell maybe female. Do you have problems with spidermites? For some reason them love vasconcellea.
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thank you, not sure how many europeans do grow these but hopefully there much more so better chances to preserve and save this species! i wish you are right about the second seedling and frmale flower let wait and see..
i do have spidermites problem indoors when i am overwintering my tropical plants.. i still do not know how i will be overwintering these if in cool/cold room or in warm.. as in warm they would need lot of light in cold they might go dormant but could get root rot..
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Does anyone have experience doing Tissue culture on vasconcellea/carica? I just found out I have complete access to my universities labs/equipment to run my own TC experiments.
Further, does anyone have suggetsions on best way to propagate V. palandensis? I'm thinking about bridge grafting onto Babaco so I can back up the plant. Has anyone tried air layering?
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So far there were no experiments on V. palandensis. No protocol published.
Papaya is easy to clone, but Vasconcellea is more difficult. There are few rare TC protocols on V. pubescens and Babaco. Babaco is quite difficult to clone so I suspect V. palandensis to be also. It gets easily damaged by chlorine and it has a high rate of hyperhydricity.
The experiment you want to do it's more like a doctoral thesis. I make TC for bananas, may try to get into cloning Vasconcellea.
Babaco can be used as a root stock, on which papaya can be grafted so I expect V. palandensis to work as well. Here is my experiment https://www.facebook.com/plantetropicale/videos/1172871089402049/ (https://www.facebook.com/plantetropicale/videos/1172871089402049/)
Babaco roots are no so strong as Chamburo grown from seeds so I prefer the later.
Air layering should work also, but I expect the roots to be more sensitive.
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here little update, the leaves are getting more fat wider.. and the flowers still not opened yet.. :)
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Nice job. I am afraid it's a male. Don't kill if someone will have a female and you can share the pollen.
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Nice job. I am afraid it's a male. Don't kill if someone will have a female and you can share the pollen.
yes i know it will be high probably male. I have 3 more seedlings so hopefully there will be a female.. i think i have two males and two females according to the grow habbit.. both pairs have very different grow habbit.. time will tell
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first flower opened up..
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A male indeed, perhaps you can save the pollen or try hybridize with a papaya.
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Just dug up my V. palandensis and potted it up. Hopefully it will survive the transplant! I also took a lot of cuttings and I am trying to root them, so hoping for the best. Pretty sure it's a female based on flower rack structure.
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Just dug up my V. palandensis and potted it up. Hopefully it will survive the transplant! I also took a lot of cuttings and I am trying to root them, so hoping for the best. Pretty sure it's a female based on flower rack structure.
Papayas don't transplant well. After the transplant you should not water the plant as it needs time to heal the wounds, also cut the foliage.
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Foliage was cut and I watered it after about 4 days of not having been watered.
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What is the best way to germinate these? Paper towel, straight to pot? Has anyone done a Gibberellic acid soak? I potted up a few seeds but haven’t seen any come up yet. Been about 3 weeks.
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Pretty sure it's a female based on flower rack structure.
Do you have the female plant?
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Maybe this can help you distinguish the flowers.
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male and female on same plant
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Well done. Hope you will have the fruit in 8 months.
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In Hawaii station greenhouse. Had male and female but no flowers currently.
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Anyone still growing these? Any fruit? All dead?
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Anyone still growing these? Any fruit? All dead?
Would love to preserve this species!
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Yes, there are few people around the world having a large Vasconcellea collection, including me, but none have seeds for sale.
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I have only male plants. Been crossing them with pubescens, Horovitzia cnidoscloides, and quercifolia (hopefully) haha.
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Thanks for the update. Hopefully someone fruits it soon. Seems overdue. I’m glad there are plants still out there and growing from the original seed hunting.
Good luck with the crosses!
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Hi! is this papaya hardy? Will it pollinate Papaya/Vasconcella pubescens?
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Appears to be hardy so far and it will definitely cross with V. pubescens.
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Appears to be hardy so far and it will definitely cross with V. pubescens.
Hi, could you (or somebody) send me one such plant (palanda papaya, with both male and female flowers) to Greece? When you say hardy, how hardy do you mean? Could it survive e.g. snow for two days? What is the scientific name of that "palanda papaya"?
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Wish I could but I only have one male plant.
Nobody really knows on hardiness, I have a pretty soft winter where I am (might hit low 30's for a bit in winter) and it did well.
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The scientific name is carica palandensis, or some places call it v. palandensis.
Tomek
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The currently accepted name is Vasconcellea palandensis.
http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:1015571-1 (http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:1015571-1)
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There is some information here https://www.rarepalmseeds.com/carica-palandensis (https://www.rarepalmseeds.com/carica-palandensis)