Author Topic: Cocktail Jaboticaba (Read 33157 times)

xshen · « **Reply #50 on:** March 07, 2013, 11:19:26 AM »

Hey Adam,

Just curious to see if you ever rooted a cutting of your jaboticaba. Could it be done? if this could be done, how long would it take for the rooted cutting to fruit?

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #51 on:** March 07, 2013, 11:47:46 AM »

Quote from: xshen on March 07, 2013, 11:19:26 AM

Hey Adam,

Just curious to see if you ever rooted a cutting of your jaboticaba. Could it be done? if this could be done, how long would it take for the rooted cutting to fruit?

cuttings are quite easy to root, but take longer than 2.5 months for most people I know.

they seem to take just as long to fruit as seedlings.

sometimes cuttings can be the way to go for collecting a new species...without having to graft or plant seeds. (for instance, if the tree isn't fruiting, or there aren't any compatible rootstocks at your disposal)

xshen · « **Reply #52 on:** March 07, 2013, 11:55:26 AM »

What type of branch would be suitable for rooting? Last year's growth with the sappy tips removed and leaves intact?

eNorm · « **Reply #53 on:** March 07, 2013, 12:05:56 PM »

Quote from: fruitlovers on March 06, 2013, 11:54:27 PM

What is the source of your M. grandiflora?

Oscar,

I got them from a source in Israel of all places. I was only able to find a cached listing of these seeds. There's some nice pics.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-c3fS4V6q9UJ:http://www.ebay.es/itm/180973783584%2B7+fresh+seeds+of+Jaboticaba+Grauda+(Myrciaria+grandifolia)&hl=en&gbv=2&ct=clnk

Thanks for the confirmation Adam.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #54 on:** March 07, 2013, 08:04:58 PM »

I think there is a study in Portuguese about rooting cuttings. They took pretty large cuttings, that looked like hard wood. I think it might be best to defoliate the cuttings, or cut leaves in half, and reduce foliage.

I also notice the suckers (shoots from the very base of the tree, lower is better) are the easiest to root. They come up like asparagus, and I break them off and pot them up...they take forever to root for me, because I have city water, and don't use hormone.

they are really slow to recover, but I have a friend with fruiting trees that were cuttings of sabara. You can tell the tree was a cutting, it's growth habit is a bit odd.

mangomike · « **Reply #55 on:** March 22, 2013, 12:37:47 PM »

I am very curious if you have ever tried different species of rootstocks other than M. jaboticaba? I was just thinking that if perhaps a much more vigorous Myrtaceae species( e.g. Eugenia, Psidium etc.) could be found that is graft compatible with the Myrciaria/Plinia group, it could push scions grafted onto it to grow and fruit faster.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #56 on:** March 22, 2013, 03:08:37 PM »

there was a study about this exact subject...published years ago...the results were not encouraging. (let me see if I can find it)

One day I plan to share all of my secrets about jaboticabas...but for now, I can only tell u part of the story.

You see, I don't cultivate jaboticaba, it cultivates me.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #57 on:** March 22, 2013, 03:23:55 PM »

here it is

http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Jaboticaba/JaboticabaRootStocks11-83.htm

mangomike · « **Reply #58 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:53:05 PM »

Thanks for posting that- that was indeed exactly what I was thinking of. As you say, not too encouraging. Still this is only a few of the many hundreds of species in the Myrtaceae, there still might be one out there that would combine compatibility and vigor, and impart at least a measure of that to the scions. It would probably have to be something more closely related within the family.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #59 on:** April 22, 2013, 01:34:41 AM »

cocktail tree growing well, but it kind of looks catawampus right now...It will be fine...I will prune it often to balance the canopy.

edself65 · « **Reply #60 on:** April 22, 2013, 01:42:43 AM »

Very neat looking plant Adam! I really like all the different leaf patterns from the different species!

Quote from: ASaffron on April 22, 2013, 01:34:41 AM

cocktail tree growing well, but it kind of looks catawampus right now...It will be fine...I will prune it often to balance the canopy.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #61 on:** June 13, 2013, 03:36:18 PM »

truncilfora, and red (hybrid cauliflora) cocktail. Very easy to manage so far...I don't have to prune excessively, although I have pruned it about 3 times in 1yr, mainly having to prune the trunciflora scion, which reminds me of a grapefruit on a citrus cocktail tree....it's always the most vigorous.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #62 on:** June 13, 2013, 07:29:43 PM »

and here is an updated pic of the other cocktail tree...you can really see the difference between the foliage types. The Red jabo portions are light green/yellow, the Grimal is dark green, and the truncilfora has a weeping appearance, with dark red new growth. I've had to prune this tree several times since last year as well.

nullzero · « **Reply #63 on:** June 13, 2013, 07:57:59 PM »

Quote from: ASaffron on June 13, 2013, 07:29:43 PM

and here is an updated pic of the other cocktail tree...you can really see the difference between the foliage types. The Red jabo portions are light green/yellow, the Grimal is dark green, and the truncilfora has a weeping appearance, with dark red new growth. I've had to prune this tree several times since last year as well.

Very cool tree, it looks amazing just on the texture difference alone. Must look epic once the fruit comes in!

bradflorida · « **Reply #64 on:** June 13, 2013, 08:03:41 PM »

Really cool looking trees! Will you end up planting them in the ground, or will they live their lives in large containers?

Have you found any jabo varieties that have similiar rates of growth and mature size?

Brad

ScottR · « **Reply #65 on:** June 13, 2013, 11:02:34 PM »

Adam, wow beautiful cocktail jabo trees, something to look forward too!Thanks for posting.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #66 on:** June 14, 2013, 02:30:59 PM »

thanks Robert and Nullzero!

yes Brad...these plants are inmates in my correctional facility...sentenced to life in a container.

Don't let their lush growth fool you...they're hardened criminals.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #67 on:** February 23, 2014, 12:47:35 PM »

my first cocktail jaboticaba to start flowering...it's got trunciflora on the left, and red on the right...the red is the first one to flower...it's been about 2 yrs since grafting.

I've really had to prune the trunciflora to keep it from overwhelming the red portion of the tree.

I bet the tree will look funny after a while...the trunciflora scion will become much thicker and taller than the red...but I will keep pruning the trunciflora, because it fruits on the old wood anyhow.

It will be nice if I can get both portions of the tree to produce fruit....which will extend my harvesting season and increase my fruit diversity, with a minimal amount of growing space required.

Bush2Beach · « **Reply #68 on:** February 23, 2014, 01:18:45 PM »

Thanks for the pictures and posting the study. I did not see Cabelluda ( Eugenia tomentoso, myrciaria glomerata) listed as a rootstock that was tried in the study. Wouldn't this be a closer relative to try for rootstock? It listed as fast grower and that has been my experience with it growing to 3 1/2 ft. From seed in 2 years. The wood however is a lot different looking from M. Cauliflora.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #69 on:** February 23, 2014, 01:32:35 PM »

Quote from: Bush2Beach on February 23, 2014, 01:18:45 PM

Thanks for the pictures and posting the study. I did not see Cabelluda ( Eugenia tomentoso, myrciaria glomerata) listed as a rootstock that was tried in the study. Wouldn't this be a closer relative to try for rootstock? It listed as fast grower and that has been my experience with it growing to 3 1/2 ft. From seed in 2 years. The wood however is a lot different looking from M. Cauliflora.

what I believe you are referring to is Myrciaria glazioviana and it will not suffice as a rootstock for M. jaboticaba, and it's close kin (with similar bark and foliage).

LEOOEL · « **Reply #70 on:** February 23, 2014, 01:58:16 PM »

Great Thread! I need a potted one that is already fruiting.

shaneatwell · « **Reply #71 on:** February 23, 2014, 05:04:58 PM »

Quote from: ASaffron on February 23, 2014, 12:47:35 PM

I've really had to prune the trunciflora to keep it from overwhelming the red portion of the tree.

I bet the tree will look funny after a while...the trunciflora scion will become much thicker and taller than the red...but I will keep pruning the trunciflora, because it fruits on the old wood anyhow.

I've seen this kind of pruning on multigrafted trees discussed before, but The American Huorticultural Society's Pruning & Training by Brickell recommends something quite different on imbalanced trees, i.e. only lightly tip pruning the stronger side and aggressive pruning of the weak side to promote growth (pg 34). Anyone tried this on a multigraft?

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #72 on:** August 23, 2014, 01:13:00 AM »

cocktail jabo, with red and trunciflora, on sabara roots, seems like I made this tree about 2.5 yrs ago...but I will have to check the forum to confirm...could be closer to 3yr.

finally after having a few flowers earlier this year, the red portion of the tree has set its first fruit...and looks like more flowers are coming...i guess it will help me pass the time while I wait for the trunciflora portion to catch up...i will be busy keeping it pruned back as well, to keep it from out growing the red portion of the tree. I've already had to hack it back about 3 times this year.

and here is tree with trunciflora, red, and grimal, on sabara...only red has flowered so far...hoping it will set fruit soon...i see more flowers coming on one of the red portions of this tree...there are two branches of red, one branch of grimal, and about 2/3 of the tree is dominated by trunciflora...

surprisingly these multigrafted trees seem like they may work out....if you keep them in check with regular pruning.

here is red branch that was chip budded

nullzero · « **Reply #73 on:** August 23, 2014, 01:47:29 AM »

That is one really cool tree, congrats on that excellent specimen

.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #74 on:** August 23, 2014, 05:14:55 PM »

Quote from: nullzero on August 23, 2014, 01:47:29 AM

That is one really cool tree, congrats on that excellent specimen .

Thanks Nullz!

if and when I get fruits on both portions of the tree i will be a happy camper!!

and if the rootstock flowers and fruits, that would be too cool.

I need to ask my friends in Brazil if they've seen grafted trees fruit on the rootstock...i don't see why they couldn't do it?

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Author Topic: Cocktail Jaboticaba (Read 33157 times)