Garcinia gardneriana

[FlyingFoxFruits]

ok now i'm convinced this tree is different than me G. intermedia.

the fruit had a different shape...and is larger

so my only guess now is gardneriana (as it was originally labeled)

I'm not so sure about the larger......at least not larger than mine as best I can tell from the photo.  But, definitely different shape than intermedia.

yes the fruit is quite small, but I'm guessing that's because the tree is rootbound and in a container... and this is the first fruit it's produced.

I've fruited several G. intermedias in pots, and never have had them make fruits quite as large as this one.

[fruitlovers]

Adam,. can you post photo of flower and leaf?

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Adam,. can you post photo of flower and leaf?

not sure when I can get it done, but if you look in my previous posts, you can see a flower bud and some foliage..

it looks much like G. intermedia, but slightly different.

[fruitlovers]

Adam, here is a photo i took of gardneriana at the Rio de Janeiro botanical garden. You can compare it with your own plant. As you can see the leaves can get quite large, and as i remember the fruit is also much larger than G. intermedia.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Oscar
I believe there are two variations (at least) circulating around the globe....MikeT has commented on them

One has large leaves (like yours) and one has small leaves like mine.

I have both.

Maybe they are separate species?  I would not be surprised....whatever I have seems precocious, and easy to fruit in a pot....so I'm happy!

Fruit is also excellent, with very good pulp to seed ratio (based on my very limited experience)

[FlyingFoxFruits]

I have 4 lots  of Garcinia gardneriana from 4 sources.Two lots have large  leaves and two have smaller leaves.I saw pix of the fruit and both forms seem to be garneriana or very similar.My question is does anyone know  if there actually  is a large and small leafed form of this species?

See what I mean

[fruitlovers]

I have 4 lots  of Garcinia gardneriana from 4 sources.Two lots have large  leaves and two have smaller leaves.I saw pix of the fruit and both forms seem to be garneriana or very similar.My question is does anyone know  if there actually  is a large and small leafed form of this species?

See what I mean

Could be different versions of gardneriana. Or it also could be misidentifications. How does fruit on your plants taste? Is it similar to taste of intermedia?
BTW there could also be different versions of intermedia. For example, I've seen photos of something called jocomico, that is supposed to be G. intermedia and has red fruits.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Not quite the same as intermedia...although quite similar, this one is noticeably sweeter, with more pulp to eat.

I have 4 lots  of Garcinia gardneriana from 4 sources.Two lots have large  leaves and two have smaller leaves.I saw pix of the fruit and both forms seem to be garneriana or very similar.My question is does anyone know  if there actually  is a large and small leafed form of this species?

See what I mean

Could be different versions of gardneriana. Or it also could be misidentifications. How does fruit on your plants taste? Is it similar to taste of intermedia?
BTW there could also be different versions of intermedia. For example, I've seen photos of something called jocomico, that is supposed to be G. intermedia and has red fruits.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

fruiting and flowering more!  I need to step this one up into a 25 gal, it's my new favorite fruit tree!!!

A must have for zone pushers trying to fruit Garcinias in pots, it's precocious (5-7yr from seed to fruit, at about 5 ft tall, in a 15 gal pot), self fruitful, and delicious!!!!

[huertasurbanas]

and they have many medicinal properties

http://www.corposaun.com/planta-carie/4505/

i have 4 trees, 60cm tall or so... they grow very slow

[FlyingFoxFruits]

and they have many medicinal properties

http://www.corposaun.com/planta-carie/4505/

i have 4 trees, 60cm tall or so... they grow very slow

which variety do you have?  large leaves, or small?

[huertasurbanas]

they seem to be large, see:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10354.msg132715#msg132715

[FlyingFoxFruits]

they seem to be large, see:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10354.msg132715#msg132715

I looked at the pictures of the plants you got, and it's hard to say what species they are.

They look too long and slender to be gardneriana, or intermedia ...but I suppose anything is possible.

Maybe it's a unique variety or unknown species

[huertasurbanas]

they seem to be large, see:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10354.msg132715#msg132715

I looked at the pictures of the plants you got, and it's hard to say what species they are.

They look too long and slender to be gardneriana, or intermedia ...but I suppose anything is possible.

Maybe it's a unique variety or unknown species

Ok, today I took some photos. One and a half year later, they are almost the same size :-S

but healty... and no problems at all, just slow growers...











they should fruit in the next two years, dont you think? I dont know if plant them in the backyard or keep them in pots...

[FlyingFoxFruits]

yes hard to say what you have...looks most like intermedia (maybe a variety with slender leaves?)

[huertasurbanas]

You will like this!

https://frutales.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/o20-el-cultivo-de-achacairu.pdf

they are calling "achachairú something" to many garcinia species...






so, g. brasilensis would be "mid size achachairú"

[palologrower]

is gardneriana monoecious? 

[FlyingFoxFruits]

is gardneriana monoecious?

probably capable of making male and androgynous flowers on the same plant, but they are not dioecious.

[palologrower]

main thing I just need one to get fruit!

[FlyingFoxFruits]

main thing I just need one to get fruit!

in my experience, this variety is much like a similar species, G. intermedia, it basically has all androgynous flowers, and almost every flower sets a fruit.

you only need one tree for G. gardneriana to fruit, but in certain situations having two trees can be advantageous...usually because one will be slightly better than the other, or cross pollination can lead to larger fruits.

[fruitlovers]

You will like this!

https://frutales.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/o20-el-cultivo-de-achacairu.pdf

they are calling "achachairú something" to many garcinia species...






so, g. brasilensis would be "mid size achachairú"

In Bolivia where a lot of these species are native, they use the name achachairu for almost all their rheedia (now called Garcinia) species. Similarly almost all rheedia species in Peru are called charichuela. Unfortunately these kinds of general common names lead to a lot of confusion. Just like in South Anerica almost all Annona species are simply called anona.
The achachairu we usually are referring to on the forum is the one that is being called in this manual "achachairu selecto".
BTW, this selecto species is not really Garcinia humilis or Garcinia leteriflora. That is incorrect. This species has not been yet named by science. The G. humilis is a species native to Carribbean, not to Bolivia.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

since i've stepped my tree up into a 50 gal pot, it's started to bloom heavily...i was in the green house analyzing the flowers to see if any were male, they were all androgynous...

and check this out...

they all had a drip of nectar at the tip...i was like a gecko licking the flowers, it taste like garcinia honey (or what I'd imagine it taste like)

hope my saliva doesn't cause the flowers to rot, and the fruits to drop...lol

[FlyingFoxFruits]

some fruit set...about 30% of the flowers held fruit....

[fruitlovers]

some fruit set...about 30% of the flowers held fruit....

Great! Hope you are giving us a taste report soon. 

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Thanks Oscar...

I have already eaten about a dozen of the fruits!

They are excellent!!  Much like the lemon drop, but larger, with better flesh to seed ratio, and less acidity.

some fruit set...about 30% of the flowers held fruit....

Great! Hope you are giving us a taste report soon.