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EricSC, Maybe I can send you a ripe Ponkan and Kiyomi for the cost of shipping if you would like to try them.I will check the cost and send you a PM. One nice thing about the Kiyomi tree is that branches are very sturdy and even though the fruits get large as Orange, it has no problem holding them on.I use some of my Kiyomi branches for grafting other satsuma and intereting varieties that I want to grow fast.