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American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« on: September 26, 2012, 12:13:02 PM »
I have American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana) seeds to trade

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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2012, 05:12:29 PM »
Under what conditions does it fruit? I've seen one in Quail Garden in San Diego by the coast that never fruits. I think someone had it removed last time I was there.

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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2012, 07:13:51 PM »
Native persimmons trees are either male or female and are not self-pollinating. That is, female flowers usually can't fertilize themselves. To produce fruit, there must be a male tree nearby to make pollen, which is transmitted by insects and wind. (Imported persimmon varieties and hybrids are self-fruitful.)

Both sexes bear fragrant, pale yellow, four-parted, bell-shaped flowers when they bloom in late spring. The fertile flower, which grows on female trees and produces fruit, has male and female parts. It grows three-quarters of an inch long with eight stamens (pollen-producing rods). The pollen-producing sterile (male) flower gets only three-eighths of an inch long with sixteen long stamen

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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2012, 07:15:21 PM »

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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2012, 11:04:02 PM »
A few fruit photos

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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2012, 05:17:47 AM »
Ed, how is the native persimmon taste wise, and what is the size of the fruit?
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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2012, 09:57:48 AM »
Oscar,

The fruit are lbetween a quarter and half dollar coin size in diameter. They have a nice fruitty flavor. I personally really don't like persimmons but I was able to eat 7 or 8 of these. So that's why I offered the seeds.

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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2012, 12:39:37 PM »
There is improved varieties of American persimmon. http://www.simmonfruit.net/persimmon_improvement.html

Also can cross with Asian persimmon (Diospyros kaki). Have a great resource for persimmons in Florida, http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com/Persimmons.htm

Prok looks interesting along with the hybrids.
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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2012, 12:45:45 PM »
Thanks Null. I bought my very first fruit trees in 1985 from Just Fruits when I lived in Tallahassee.

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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2012, 12:55:15 PM »
Thanks Null. I bought my very first fruit trees in 1985 from Just Fruits when I lived in Tallahassee.

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Indiana Nut Growers Association American persimmon improvement project, was carried on from Jim Claypool. I am sure if you contact someone from the organisation can get superior selections of American persimmon scion. http://www.nutgrowers.org/persimmon.htm
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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2012, 01:10:14 PM »
Thanks Null I will check with them!
I wouldn't mind trying a few improved native persimmons.
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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2012, 07:29:38 PM »
Isn't the Triumph persimmon, which bears very well in South Florida, a cross between the American and Japanese persimmon?  The one I planted last winter has had a few growth flushes but hasn't done anything in months.  It still looks pretty straggly.  Is that normal for the first year?  (Jeff or Jason, please weigh in on this!)
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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2012, 01:20:17 PM »
I found this webpage today on Diospyros virginiana varieties. Excellent resource for those deciding on a variety of American Persimmon.

http://www.exotickerostliny.cz/en/katalog-rostlin-othermenu-95/tomely-othermenu-85/68-diospyros-virginiana.html
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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2012, 01:23:59 PM »
At last night's lecture, Dr Campbell stated that persimmon will typically only put out new growth in spring and sometimes water sprouts the rest of the year.

Isn't the Triumph persimmon, which bears very well in South Florida, a cross between the American and Japanese persimmon?  The one I planted last winter has had a few growth flushes but hasn't done anything in months.  It still looks pretty straggly.  Is that normal for the first year?  (Jeff or Jason, please weigh in on this!)
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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2012, 01:29:37 PM »
At last night's lecture, Dr Campbell stated that persimmon will typically only put out new growth in spring and sometimes water sprouts the rest of the year.

Isn't the Triumph persimmon, which bears very well in South Florida, a cross between the American and Japanese persimmon?  The one I planted last winter has had a few growth flushes but hasn't done anything in months.  It still looks pretty straggly.  Is that normal for the first year?  (Jeff or Jason, please weigh in on this!)

I noticed this with a 'Hana Fuyu' growing in a container. Seemed like no new vegetative growth after June. Btw, Asian persimmons work well for containers, I am sure the American Persimmons would adapt as well. The 'Hana Fuyu' is in a 5 gal SWC and producing a crop of 7-9 medium sized persimmons at 3 years old (most likely would double or triple in production if stepped upto a 10-15 gal).
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Re: American Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2012, 09:15:54 PM »
Isn't the Triumph persimmon, which bears very well in South Florida, a cross between the American and Japanese persimmon?  The one I planted last winter has had a few growth flushes but hasn't done anything in months.  It still looks pretty straggly.  Is that normal for the first year?  (Jeff or Jason, please weigh in on this!)







This photo is about six weeks old from one of my seven gal trees.

The fruit is now almost ready to pick. This is a Triumph Persimmon. I am growing it in pro mix and pine bark conditioner.
The trees do well, just keep the bugs under control and use plenty of organics. Works for me. The tree is on it's 2nd year. They can look pretty straggly as you say. Again use plenty of organics and feed the soil! Patience John.

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