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New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« on: November 20, 2019, 10:32:09 PM »
A friend from Campeche México introduced me to this Species that is little beat similar to the Guayas I have been selling in the past years, however there are some very pronounced differences, instead of fruiting in May like Guayas, Koloc fruits in November when vey few fruits are available, the fruit when very ripe falls and at this stage flesh is stone free flavor is sweet when ripe or sweet and tangy just before well ripe,about size they are well larger than other fruit of its kind as he told me this tree is becoming endangered as some land is getting cleared





This is the conversation I had with him in Spanish and then translated using Google translator :
los frutos son mas grandes que las huayas, desde el tamaño de una pelota de golf a una de fronton, no son acidas, mas bien dulces, de un sabor agradable y unico, no es muy jugosa, aunque algunas si lo son, hay ue calcularle bien el punto de maduracion, lo ideal es cuando cae la fruta por si sola, algunas que son cortadas sazonas son agridulces y la pulpa esta aun pegada a la semilla, la de la foto es una en su punto, incluso no se si notas que la semilla esta mas pequeña
the fruits are larger than the huayas, from the size of a golf ball to a fronton, they are not acidic, rather sweet, of a pleasant and unique flavor, it is not very juicy, although some if they are, there is calculate the ripeness point well, the ideal is when the fruit falls by itself, some that are cut seasonings are sweet Tart and the pulp is still attached to the seed, the one in the photo is one at its point, I don't even know if you notice that the seed is smaller
Today I found the scientific name is Talisia Floresii and in Campeche and some Mayan areas of Guatemala is known as Koloc or Coloc
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.maya-ethnobotany.org/edible-fruits-of-mayan-world-agroforestry/talisia-floresii-fruit-tree-underutilized-mayan-food-plant.php&ved=2ahUKEwiApZuM2_vlAhUL5awKHdozAOcQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw0kkErV_CnoMYSrcx_EtUJd

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Re: New fruit, Talisia or Meliccocus sp
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2019, 11:26:58 PM »
Looks delicious, I have never heard of this fruit before. 

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Re: New fruit, Talisia or Meliccocus sp
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2019, 11:27:51 PM »
Very interesting. Where can we get seeds?
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Re: New fruit, Talisia or Meliccocus sp
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2019, 06:41:24 AM »
🤔 so many fruits that are unknown to most of us. 
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Re: New fruit, Talisia or Meliccocus sp
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2019, 06:59:16 AM »
I believe this is "Talisia floresii".

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Re: New fruit, Talisia or Meliccocus sp
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2019, 11:21:25 AM »
Very interesting. Where can we get seeds?
Yes I have seeds I'll do the post today
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Re: New fruit, Talisia or Meliccocus sp
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2019, 12:07:07 PM »
Very interesting. Where can we get seeds?
Yes I have seeds I'll do the post today

Look promising.
Can you find out the approximate years to fruit and if it's self fruitful?

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Re: New fruit, Talisia or Meliccocus sp
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2019, 03:55:04 PM »
Very interesting. Where can we get seeds?
Yes I have seeds I'll do the post today

Look promising.
Can you find out the approximate years to fruit and if it's self fruitful?
was told by the guy who sold me the seeds that most the trees he has spot are single and they fruit so I think is mono, I'll ask about years fruiting
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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2019, 08:31:25 PM »
What part of Campeche is this fruit from?

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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2019, 10:40:25 PM »
What part of Campeche is this fruit from?
this is what they just answer me :
Por la región de los chenes,  reserva de calakmul y toda esa area
Supongo que de calakmul se pasa a Guatemala hacia el Petén
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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2019, 10:47:50 PM »
What part of Campeche is this fruit from?
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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2019, 10:56:19 AM »
Gracias Raul, si leí de que se encuentre alrededor do los sitios Maya, incluso Tikal!  Muy interesante!

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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2019, 01:22:45 PM »
Coloc is an outdated fruit in yucatan like the chooch. You have to go to the little pueblos to find the tree but they are still around. I believe the season has ended but I’ll post pix of old trees most folks confuse them w guayas aka mamoncillos but it’s still part of the flora of Yucatán

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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2019, 12:47:58 AM »
What does it mean when a fruit is “outdated” I wonder.
Not commercially viable ?
Not widely appreciated or just old?

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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2019, 09:59:05 AM »
What does it mean when a fruit is “outdated” I wonder.
Not commercially viable ?
Not widely appreciated or just old?
I think JF meant a fruit that is rare or hard to get now in days because several reasons main loss of habitat, is hard to get it now, most in Yucatan, main natural areas areas according to studies are Campeche, Quintana Roo states and some parts of Guatemala
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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2019, 01:09:27 PM »
What does it mean when a fruit is “outdated” I wonder.
Not commercially viable ?
Not widely appreciated or just old?
I think JF meant a fruit that is rare or hard to get now in days because several reasons main loss of habitat, is hard to get it now, most in Yucatan, main natural areas areas according to studies are Campeche, Quintana Roo states and some parts of Guatemala

Raul, gracias por la explicación a este zorro por no llamarla cherna. Esta fruta como tú sabes está fuera de circulación por años, es rara pero todavía existe en Yucatan. La conocí en el Cicy hace dos años le tiro foto la semana q viene si paso  por allá. Saludos 

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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2020, 03:26:38 PM »
I believe the seeds I just got from Raul in December have germinated.  Huge seeds and a huge seedling.  I try and plant most seeds directly in ground but sometimes I start different seeds all in the same pots in straight up finished biodynamic compost/humus.  Other seedlings in pot are I. spectabilis and G. Dulcis




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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2020, 06:58:21 PM »
are seeds still available?  this looks like a good one
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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2020, 07:16:30 PM »
I believe the seeds I just got from Raul in December have germinated.  Huge seeds and a huge seedling.  I try and plant most seeds directly in ground but sometimes I start different seeds all in the same pots in straight up finished biodynamic compost/humus.  Other seedlings in pot are I. spectabilis and G. Dulcis




I think you have your seeds mixed up. Here’s my talisia floresii that have sprouted from the same batch of seeds received from Raul. Seeds were huge,  about the size of a small/medium sized avocado seed. I Planted my seeds about a month ago.

THANK YOU RAUL!!! You da man, these seeds are growing very fast, and with a beautiful maroon color throughout the entire seedling. Very nice.

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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2020, 07:29:06 PM »
Not mixed up.  Like I said there is Inga in with the Talisia.  One is obviously not Inga and it’s obviously not Garcinia.  Mine are outside in full sun and looked just like yours last week before turning deep green. Sorry for the confusion the angle of the photo doesn’t show the height of the seedling very well  at about 8”.  I checked my daily notes and planted all but one seed in the field.  But maybe I f#%#( up.  Whatever it is they seem like fast growers and are able to sprout in winter.
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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2020, 08:44:42 PM »
Not mixed up.  Like I said there is Inga in with the Talisia.  One is obviously not Inga and it’s obviously not Garcinia.  Mine are outside in full sun and looked just like yours last week before turning deep green. Sorry for the confusion the angle of the photo doesn’t show the height of the seedling very well  at about 8”.  I checked my daily notes and planted all but one seed in the field.  But maybe I f#%#( up.  Whatever it is they seem like fast growers and are able to sprout in winter.

Gotcha. That’s a nice mix of seeds you got going, good luck with your seedlings! Oh, and nice farm!
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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2020, 07:43:58 AM »
I’m sorry your right they are not the Talisia seed. I went back thru my daily log and see I also planted J33 Jackfruit seeds in that pot back in November.  That is a Jackfruit seedling.  Seems every seed I get from Stevo in Australia and Raul germinates. I had written the Jackfruit off since I planted them in  November/winter outside.  Good thing for detailed notes.  Thanks for pointing my mistake out.  Now I have to look thru 2ft tall cover for those Talisia seedlings. Not the easiest task.

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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2020, 11:24:28 AM »
These might help you in the future mark the area where you’ve planted seeds  https://www.homedepot.com/p/Empire-3-5-in-x-2-5-in-Glo-Orange-Flag-Stakes-100-Pack-78-002/100148662
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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2020, 11:25:27 AM »
And prevent accidental stepping on seedlings perhaps.
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Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2020, 04:33:27 PM »
Nice.  I haven't seen this one.

Decades ago, I ate another Talisia species, also superior to Mamoncillo, at Possum Trot nursery, north of Homestead, Florida.  It had been grown from seed brought in from Belize.  I believe it was monoecious also.

While growing up in the Amazon region, I often ate the sour Talisia, known as Pitomba-of-Manaus (no relation of the Pitomba-of-Bahia).
It is dioecious.  I only have a male in my yard.
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