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Title: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: ClayMango on April 13, 2015, 05:16:18 PM
I just ate my first Mulberry last weekend. It was a long 3 inch Pakistan Berry.... Dear God this fruit is amazing with perfect sweetnss. literally Wipes the floor with the berry family...Blueberries, blackberries, Raspberries...easily! This fruit is easily a top 10 fruit and possibly a tie for top 5!!!!

It seems Mulberries are underated or just aren't well known throughout the U.S. like other good fruit out there. Can anyone give their top 5 Mulberries please? I hear the Morus Nigra's are the best varities becuase they pack a super punch of sweetness and acidity? I'm currently looking to purchase Pakistan, Black beauty, Persian, and Noir de Spain...and end up doing a Cocktail tree for all these varieties since they can get big.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: TriangleJohn on April 13, 2015, 09:35:11 PM
In my yard I grow wild ones which I assume are M. rubra but I guess they could be hybrids, and I have a 'Wellington' which has very good flavor and large berries, an 'Illinois Everbearing' which has slightly smaller berries but with excellent flavor and a long fruiting season (though not ever bearing). My trees are small and I only get a half gallon of berries off of all of them combined. I have some trees that I grew from seeds that someone gave me saying that the trees were small bush form with purple, sweet berries. Last year one of them fruited and the berries were large and white without any berry flavor, just sweet as sugar. Most of the collection is starting to flower now and one more of the seedlings is flowering so I will wait to see if it has white fruit, hopefully they will have berry flavor instead of just being sweet. So far this collection of mulberries has been a highlight of my garden, I would plant more of them if I had more room.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: shaneatwell on April 13, 2015, 09:57:14 PM
I'd take Pakistan over blueberry, but not over a blackberry or raspberry. Not enough acid. Never tried Persian etc. SD Botanical has Kaester and Persian Black is frequently available the the CRFG scion exchanges (got a cutting the just leafed out).

Anyway, good luck!!
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: bsbullie on April 14, 2015, 01:10:42 AM
I dont think they are underrated.   I sell a ton of them year round, all types.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 14, 2015, 01:22:25 AM
I dont think they are underrated.   I sell a ton of them year round, all types.

Rob,

what's the name of the dwarf variety excalibur sells?

I just got one covered with fruits.

also got the green mulberry (if that's what it's called...I believe it's the same one that PIN sells labeled as Australian)..that is an excellent fruit btw.

also got the Himalayan mulberry from Treesnmore (which is like pakistan, but reddish, not purple) .... this is one of the best ones I've tasted so far.

so now I've got 8 varieties....(Himalayan, Australian/Green, Peruvian, Giant , white [alba], red [rubra], everbearing, and the dwarf from Excal.)

still need more... :D 

(Pakistan, and other long types....and some other everbearing trees are next on my list..like Illinois, or any others)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Viking Guy on April 14, 2015, 05:29:33 AM
I have Pakistan, Himalayan and Australian.

Australian green has been my favorite, and finally started growing my own this year.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: ClayMango on April 14, 2015, 08:41:08 AM
Has anyone tried some of the Nigras? Black Beauty, Noir de Spain, Persian, Shrangla? I hear they have the best sweet/tart flavor .

I've tried Pakistan and Weeping Mulberry... Pakistan is just incredible...great size and and Sweet Flavor.....Weeping Mulberry taste like a Tommy Atkins of the Mulberries.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: stuartdaly88 on April 14, 2015, 11:57:21 AM
In my yard I grow wild ones which I assume are M. rubra but I guess they could be hybrids, and I have a 'Wellington' which has very good flavor and large berries, an 'Illinois Everbearing' which has slightly smaller berries but with excellent flavor and a long fruiting season (though not ever bearing). My trees are small and I only get a half gallon of berries off of all of them combined. I have some trees that I grew from seeds that someone gave me saying that the trees were small bush form with purple, sweet berries. Last year one of them fruited and the berries were large and white without any berry flavor, just sweet as sugar. Most of the collection is starting to flower now and one more of the seedlings is flowering so I will wait to see if it has white fruit, hopefully they will have berry flavor instead of just being sweet. So far this collection of mulberries has been a highlight of my garden, I would plant more of them if I had more room.
That sounds like Morus alba
It's very good addition dried and added to a trail mix/ nuts/muesli.
I only have seedlings of I think alba and nigra.The alba are massive trees trees for me. interesting fact is they have the fastest motion observed in biology.
The nigras are also pretty big but aren't as upright and can droop abit(if mine are nigras)
There was a weird one on my property and it looked grafted.  They grafted it strangely it was 2m straight bole and then the grafted part was weirdly upside down and it looked awesome like a weeping willow mulberry long branches all the way to the ground.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: bsbullie on April 14, 2015, 12:00:17 PM
I dont think they are underrated.   I sell a ton of them year round, all types.

Rob,

what's the name of the dwarf variety excalibur sells?

I just got one covered with fruits.

also got the green mulberry (if that's what it's called...I believe it's the same one that PIN sells labeled as Australian)..that is an excellent fruit btw.

also got the Himalayan mulberry from Treesnmore (which is like pakistan, but reddish, not purple) .... this is one of the best ones I've tasted so far.

so now I've got 8 varieties....(Himalayan, Australian/Green, Peruvian, Giant , white [alba], red [rubra], everbearing, and the dwarf from Excal.)

still need more... :D 

(Pakistan, and other long types....and some other everbearing trees are next on my list..like Illinois, or any others)

The Dwarf you just got is the one they call Thai Dwarf.  They used to have a second dwarf I believe but not psoitive if and what the difference is and if they are still propagating it.

The Green is the Australian type although I believe Richard may have brought it back from Thailand years ago so unsure if it is the exact same as PINs.

If you dont have it, you need to get a Tice.  Its the best of the purple/blacks they have and a heavy producer.  They also have East Coast which is not as good as Tice in mine and most customer's opinions.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 14, 2015, 12:27:05 PM
lol thanks for the info..

i just remembered I have a Tice tree planted out!

that makes 9 varieties.

(i've compared fruits and foliage from both trees, and looks like PIN has exact same one as the Green, labeled as Australian)

I dont think they are underrated.   I sell a ton of them year round, all types.

Rob,

what's the name of the dwarf variety excalibur sells?

I just got one covered with fruits.

also got the green mulberry (if that's what it's called...I believe it's the same one that PIN sells labeled as Australian)..that is an excellent fruit btw.

also got the Himalayan mulberry from Treesnmore (which is like pakistan, but reddish, not purple) .... this is one of the best ones I've tasted so far.

so now I've got 8 varieties....(Himalayan, Australian/Green, Peruvian, Giant , white [alba], red [rubra], everbearing, and the dwarf from Excal.)

still need more... :D 

(Pakistan, and other long types....and some other everbearing trees are next on my list..like Illinois, or any others)

The Dwarf you just got is the one they call Thai Dwarf.  They used to have a second dwarf I believe but not psoitive if and what the difference is and if they are still propagating it.

The Green is the Australian type although I believe Richard may have brought it back from Thailand years ago so unsure if it is the exact same as PINs.

If you dont have it, you need to get a Tice.  Its the best of the purple/blacks they have and a heavy producer.  They also have East Coast which is not as good as Tice in mine and most customer's opinions.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on April 14, 2015, 01:19:46 PM
How have I never tried Tice?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: bsbullie on April 14, 2015, 01:25:33 PM
How have I never tried Tice?

Maybe you did and didn't know it.  No 3 gal currently available. Only big 7 gal and larger.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on April 14, 2015, 05:22:44 PM
lol thanks for the info..

i just remembered I have a Tice tree planted out!

that makes 9 varieties.

(i've compared fruits and foliage from both trees, and looks like PIN has exact same one as the Green, labeled as Australian)


Was gonna say I thought you had a Tice  ;)

DM
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: ClayMango on April 14, 2015, 05:44:38 PM
Can anyone comment on the different Morus Nigras out there? Black Beauty, Noir de spain, Black Persian?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on April 14, 2015, 06:45:53 PM
How have I never tried Tice?

Maybe you did and didn't know it.  No 3 gal currently available. Only big 7 gal and larger.

Nope.  You only offered me the green mulberry.  Why you hoarding the good stuff, Rob? :o

Definitely gonna try it some day though.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 14, 2015, 07:35:55 PM
Glad we have a Mulberry Thread. I was just thinking about these today - there are a few wild trees in walking distance to me that bear tasty fruits.
I agree that for the average person, at least in Tennessee, mulberries are not on their radar screen.

I really want to try to propagate these wild trees. I tried a couple years ago when I was even more ignorant than I am now, and they didn't root.
Any tips are welcome but I don't want to hijack this thread.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: bsbullie on April 14, 2015, 11:00:49 PM
How have I never tried Tice?

Maybe you did and didn't know it.  No 3 gal currently available. Only big 7 gal and larger.

Nope.  You only offered me the green mulberry.  Why you hoarding the good stuff, Rob? :o

Definitely gonna try it some day though.

They should be on the trees for a little longer.  Get up here in the next couple weeks and you can turn yourself purple like a little kid.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 14, 2015, 11:14:21 PM
lol...I always have to remember when I've been eating a bunch of mulberries, that it makes it look like you've been wearing lipstick the night before...you might get some funny stares if you go into public places after eating a bunch of them.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: SocalKoop on April 16, 2015, 02:28:48 AM
I have morus nigra, and black beauty which is a named variety of nigra. Both are amazing. The nigras have the perfect balance of acidity to offset the sweet. But its all about timing. I gorge myself in the last 2 weeks prior to them getting fully ripe, because they lose their tartness at the end of the season (which is too damed short). Nigra in my experiece ripen all all once so theres more fruit on one 10 ft tree then anyone can eat.... then you are waiting a year for the next opportunity to pig out.  I usually graze heavily for a couple weeks and make a few pies to share. Then... they're gone..  *sniff.. sob*
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: stuartdaly88 on April 16, 2015, 12:05:47 PM
Glad we have a Mulberry Thread. I was just thinking about these today - there are a few wild trees in walking distance to me that bear tasty fruits.
I agree that for the average person, at least in Tennessee, mulberries are not on their radar screen.

I really want to try to propagate these wild trees. I tried a couple years ago when I was even more ignorant than I am now, and they didn't root.
Any tips are welcome but I don't want to hijack this thread.
Are you trying to propagate for particular attributes or just to get a plant of wild progeny?
Cauz they seed themselves like crazy and have fruit in like under 24months!

Another idea dig up seedlings that should be near wild trees and graft if there's bigger sweeter one you have your eye on.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: ClayMango on April 16, 2015, 01:20:50 PM
I have morus nigra, and black beauty which is a named variety of nigra. Both are amazing. The nigras have the perfect balance of acidity to offset the sweet. But its all about timing. I gorge myself in the last 2 weeks prior to them getting fully ripe, because they lose their tartness at the end of the season (which is too damed short). Nigra in my experiece ripen all all once so theres more fruit on one 10 ft tree then anyone can eat.... then you are waiting a year for the next opportunity to pig out.  I usually graze heavily for a couple weeks and make a few pies to share. Then... they're gone..  *sniff.. sob*


Finally...someone who has tasted some of the Morus Nigra Varieties!!!! This is exactly what I came here for... Thank you kind Sir!
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: goosteen on April 17, 2015, 12:39:08 PM
Can anyone comment on the different Morus Nigras out there? Black Beauty, Noir de spain, Black Persian?

I have a weeping, a Pakistan, and a Persian, not sure the latin names, but all are fairly common in so cal nurseries.  I would rate them in that order as well with Persian being the best.  I'm debating getting a white one, Papaya tree nursery claims to have one with great flavor.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: ClayMango on April 17, 2015, 01:13:02 PM
Can anyone comment on the different Morus Nigras out there? Black Beauty, Noir de spain, Black Persian?

I have a weeping, a Pakistan, and a Persian, not sure the latin names, but all are fairly common in so cal nurseries.  I would rate them in that order as well with Persian being the best.  I'm debating getting a white one, Papaya tree nursery claims to have one with great flavor.

The Pakistan has an incredible almost Rasperry sweetness to me, The Weeping Mulberry is one of the most bland tasting fruits I have ever tried....Can't wait to try one of the Nigras!!!!!   I ordered a special White Vareity Mulberry from Whitmans Farm that Lucille doesn't have listed on her Website, she says it's her best so i'll find out in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 17, 2015, 03:17:36 PM
Glad we have a Mulberry Thread. I was just thinking about these today - there are a few wild trees in walking distance to me that bear tasty fruits.
I agree that for the average person, at least in Tennessee, mulberries are not on their radar screen.

I really want to try to propagate these wild trees. I tried a couple years ago when I was even more ignorant than I am now, and they didn't root.
Any tips are welcome but I don't want to hijack this thread.
Are you trying to propagate for particular attributes or just to get a plant of wild progeny?
Cauz they seed themselves like crazy and have fruit in like under 24months!

Another idea dig up seedlings that should be near wild trees and graft if there's bigger sweeter one you have your eye on.

Honestly, I was just wanting a free mulberry tree! Never occurred to me to grow one from seed. Any special process?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: TriangleJohn on April 17, 2015, 04:20:24 PM
Earlier this year I found one of those dwarf mulberries (Morus nigra) at a local garden center. I had ordered some from a catalog which haven't been delivered yet but I still purchased one just to see how well they grow and what they taste like. I didn't really believe the claims of how much they fruit but here it is in April and its loaded with fruit. They aren't the best mulberries I've ever tasted but they aren't bad either. Glad I have some more in the mail. I plan on planting some of them in the ground for summer fruit and keeping some in pots that get sheltered in the greenhouse for the winter so I get a longer fruiting season.


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Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: stuartdaly88 on April 17, 2015, 06:35:18 PM
Glad we have a Mulberry Thread. I was just thinking about these today - there are a few wild trees in walking distance to me that bear tasty fruits.
I agree that for the average person, at least in Tennessee, mulberries are not on their radar screen.

I really want to try to propagate these wild trees. I tried a couple years ago when I was even more ignorant than I am now, and they didn't root.
Any tips are welcome but I don't want to hijack this thread.
Are you trying to propagate for particular attributes or just to get a plant of wild progeny?
Cauz they seed themselves like crazy and have fruit in like under 24months!

Another idea dig up seedlings that should be near wild trees and graft if there's bigger sweeter one you have your eye on.

Honestly, I was just wanting a free mulberry tree! Never occurred to me to grow one from seed. Any special process?
I would just look around the trees there are bound to be seedlings. I think the best process is getting birds to.eat and excrete ha ha ha mulberry are second biggest weed tree on my property after syringa berry(not edible)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on April 17, 2015, 06:54:50 PM
How difficult is it to keep Pakistan mulberry small? Originally I planned to grow one in container, but after reading all the raves I am thinking full sun in ground, but cannot afford to have it grow wild in the raised bed plus overshadow nearby trees. It needs to stay within 10 feet tall... Is it going to be LOTS of pruning? Thank you in advance!

ETA: alternatively will it handle part shade? like 4-5 hours sun? In that case I have room...
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on April 18, 2015, 10:42:12 AM
They grow quite large, but in my limited experience, they can be whacked back pretty well.  I think they could handle some shade no problem.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Viking Guy on April 18, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
How difficult is it to keep Pakistan mulberry small? Originally I planned to grow one in container, but after reading all the raves I am thinking full sun in ground, but cannot afford to have it grow wild in the raised bed plus overshadow nearby trees. It needs to stay within 10 feet tall... Is it going to be LOTS of pruning? Thank you in advance!

ETA: alternatively will it handle part shade? like 4-5 hours sun? In that case I have room...

Mulberries handle shade very well.

Also, proper care for pruning is as follows:

Let it grow vertically to about 4 feet and top it back to 18" - 24".

Select 3 lateral branches evenly spaced and remove the rest.

Once those branches rise up a few feet, top them back also 18" - 24".

Now, select 3 main growths off each of them.  You now have a properly trained mulberry.  Growing in that fashion, you can keep it to a manageable size.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: ClayMango on April 18, 2015, 12:14:07 PM
Tried  2 more Mulberries  yesterday... Both of them were Morus Albas.... "Persian White" and "White Pakistan" or White Shatoot.   


White Persian is a  terrible bland tasting berry.....Meanwhile the White Pakistan is a popping incredibly crisp vanilla sweet berry...Ultra sweet...Probably should have bought it instead of the Dark Pakistan...
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: shaneatwell on April 18, 2015, 12:24:37 PM
Tried a   2 more Mulberries  yesterday... Both of them were Morus Albas.... "Persian White" and "White Pakistan" or White Shatoot.   


White Persian is a  terrible bland tasting berry.....Meanwhile the White Pakistan is a popping incredibly crisp vanilla sweet berry...Ultra sweet...Probably should have bought it instead of the Dark Pakistan...

Good to know! thanks
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on April 20, 2015, 02:44:21 PM
Mulberries handle shade very well.
Also, proper care for pruning is as follows:
Let it grow vertically to about 4 feet and top it back to 18" - 24".
Select 3 lateral branches evenly spaced and remove the rest.
Once those branches rise up a few feet, top them back also 18" - 24".
Now, select 3 main growths off each of them.  You now have a properly trained mulberry.  Growing in that fashion, you can keep it to a manageable size.

Thank you so much as always!! Well noted :)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: fyliu on April 21, 2015, 04:10:06 PM
Tried  2 more Mulberries  yesterday... Both of them were Morus Albas.... "Persian White" and "White Pakistan" or White Shatoot.
Where do you find the white shatoot? Is it local?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: ClayMango on April 21, 2015, 04:47:59 PM
Tried  2 more Mulberries  yesterday... Both of them were Morus Albas.... "Persian White" and "White Pakistan" or White Shatoot.
Where do you find the white shatoot? Is it local?

Clausens Nursery in Vista.... Huge 15 gallon White Pakistan's for 50 dollars.... They are wholseale and retail... They sell there Trees in Bulk to Armstrong Gardens and Walter Anderson...

Armstrong Gardens is selling the same 15 gallon Trees from Clausens for 125 dollars....75 dollar flip on nursery retail.....just wow!!! Good thing I called around!

-side note: Clausens gets many of their trees from LE. Cookes. Apparently a bigger Wholesale retailer..... So the Supply Chain is pretty Deep.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: ClayMango on April 21, 2015, 04:51:00 PM
Lucille at Whitmans Farms advised me the Sharunpar Local is the best White Mulberry which she was sadly out of stock of... Reviews say it has a Sweet Melon taste.

Wondering if it's the variety floating around here many say is from Austraila.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: DesertDreamer on April 21, 2015, 09:01:52 PM
Have tasted: shangri-la (good; great later in season), black beauty (good; taller tree, rarely get to taste, the birds get them all), pakistani (great), florida everbearing (good; young tree, may turn out to be great), Persian (great), Geraldi dwarf (good-great; doesn't bear as heavily as the others).  Note that flavor really can be variable with climate and water and ripening...more so than many other fruit.  And, maturity matters too....the more mature the tree, the more consistent the flavor from year to year.
All grow easily here in Phoenix, some shade always helps when young, but these trees are almost bullet proof in my climate. Shade, sun, east exposure, west exposure.....doesn't matter; just water and stand back.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: fyliu on April 22, 2015, 02:57:36 AM
I just thought a white mulberry would make a good shade tree since it grows so fast. It just has to be non-staining so people can walk under it. I will look around and see if there are any local place near me. I think Champa Nursery sells plants from Clausens for a good price.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on April 22, 2015, 09:57:25 AM
how is the flavor of the white mulberry that excalibur sells?  I have heard mixed reviews of the taste of white varieties, but also that they are incredibly nutritious.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: bsbullie on April 22, 2015, 10:30:56 PM
how is the flavor of the white mulberry that excalibur sells?  I have heard mixed reviews of the taste of white varieties, but also that they are incredibly nutritious.

get your lazy ass up here on Saturday.   You need to get your other tree (s) anyway  ;)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on April 22, 2015, 10:57:31 PM
how is the flavor of the white mulberry that excalibur sells?  I have heard mixed reviews of the taste of white varieties, but also that they are incredibly nutritious.

get your lazy ass up here on Saturday.   You need to get your other tree (s) anyway  ;)

My mechanic is holding my car hostage  :( >:(....not this weekend. 
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: bsbullie on April 22, 2015, 11:01:30 PM
how is the flavor of the white mulberry that excalibur sells?  I have heard mixed reviews of the taste of white varieties, but also that they are incredibly nutritious.

get your lazy ass up here on Saturday.   You need to get your other tree (s) anyway  ;)

My mechanic is holding my car hostage  :( >:(....not this weekend.

you living a bad Seinfeld episode??
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on April 22, 2015, 11:11:57 PM
feels like it.   ::)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: bsbullie on April 22, 2015, 11:30:43 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xez2n371MTo (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xez2n371MTo)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 22, 2015, 11:40:07 PM
how is the flavor of the white mulberry that excalibur sells?  I have heard mixed reviews of the taste of white varieties, but also that they are incredibly nutritious.

same as australian that PIN sells.

it's a winner.  unique, sweet...delicious.

must be fully ripe to taste good....doesn't have that slightly tart zing that other types do.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on April 23, 2015, 01:11:41 PM
Due to budget, I am settling with the little Pakistani mulberry I grabbed last weekend. Hope the fruit indeed does not stain despite being dark colored. Can't wait...
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on April 23, 2015, 01:28:04 PM
Due to budget, I am settling with the little Pakistani mulberry I grabbed last weekend. Hope the fruit indeed does not stain despite being dark colored. Can't wait...

Pakistani is good, but you should try and pick as much as you can as they become ripe because in my experience, they will stain.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on April 23, 2015, 07:33:58 PM
Pakistani is good, but you should try and pick as much as you can as they become ripe because in my experience, they will stain.

Oh no!! Can people with this variety kindly confirm? When I did my homework, Pakistani is listed as "non staining". Thanks!
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Waiting on April 24, 2015, 12:24:31 AM
According to Dave Wilson Nursery it is non-staining. However, the L.E. Cooke Company says it should not be planted over driveways or walkways "due to fruit drop".

http://www.davewilson.com:8080/product-information/product/mulberries (http://www.davewilson.com:8080/product-information/product/mulberries)

http://www.lecooke.com/Images/Shades/Mulberry/Pakistan-Fruiting-Mulberry(RGB).pdf (http://www.lecooke.com/Images/Shades/Mulberry/Pakistan-Fruiting-Mulberry(RGB).pdf)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: bsbullie on April 24, 2015, 01:04:02 AM
I dont think it will stain like the Tice, East Coast, Dwarf (the dark purple/black varieties ) but i dont think it will be 100% non staining.   I thing Cook mentons fruit drop more for m aking a mess.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Viking Guy on April 24, 2015, 08:34:36 PM
I dont think it will stain like the Tice, East Coast, Dwarf (the dark purple/black varieties ) but i dont think it will be 100% non staining.   I thing Cook mentons fruit drop more for m aking a mess.

Agree.  None of them are 100% non staining.

Some just stain less than others.

Rub a berry on a paper towel to see its staining potential.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: stuartdaly88 on April 29, 2015, 06:31:12 AM
Pakistani is good, but you should try and pick as much as you can as they become ripe because in my experience, they will stain.

Oh no!! Can people with this variety kindly confirm? When I did my homework, Pakistani is listed as "non staining". Thanks!

Even if you pick and let not one berry fall the bird crap becomes bright purple in mulberry season ;D
My feet are stained black in the season and I dont mind he he. A mulberry will out produce what you eat even with neglect I gorge till tummy ache every year collect container loads and dont make even a tiny dent in what a large tree produces! And we have over many trees with boles at least as thick as my waist.
Gross as it is the best berries come from a tree growing near our french drain ha ha ha.

Im going to try make more stuff this year instead of just freezing for smoothies I wanna make jam, some pies to freeze and after Adams awesome Jabo leather post Im inspired to make deep purple mulberry leather, I think it will be tasty ;D

Any other novel ways to deal with the inevitable glut of mulberries that is over all too soon?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Central Floridave on April 29, 2015, 03:16:12 PM
The only one I have is the Tice.  I can highly recommend it.  Super sweet and good tasting.

Also, to get the stain off your skin use lemon juice. It washes right off. 
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on April 29, 2015, 04:35:23 PM
Any other novel ways to deal with the inevitable glut of mulberries that is over all too soon?

Please send them my way. That 14" tall seedling in my garden is taking her time :)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: bsbullie on April 29, 2015, 07:32:28 PM
The only one I have is the Tice.  I can highly recommend it.  Super sweet and good tasting.

Also, to get the stain off your skin use lemon juice. It washes right off.

Tice definitely has the best flavor of all the purple/black varieties i have eaten.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: ClayMango on April 30, 2015, 02:27:28 AM
The only one I have is the Tice.  I can highly recommend it.  Super sweet and good tasting.

Also, to get the stain off your skin use lemon juice. It washes right off.

Tice definitely has the best flavor of all the purple/black varieties i have eaten.

 Better than the Sweet/Acidic Black Persians, Black Beauties, Noir De Spains?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: goosteen on May 02, 2015, 12:33:51 PM
Has anyone found a good place to order more rare mulberries online,  stuff besides the common weeping, persian, and pakistan? 

This place has a contorted mullberry, Which I've never heard of , but looks cool.  https://www.onegreenworld.com/Mulberry/356/ (https://www.onegreenworld.com/Mulberry/356/)   ....but would good to see a site with a bigger variety. 

Also found this list after a quick search    https://www.justfruitsandexotics.com/JFE/product-category/fruit-trees/mulberry/ (https://www.justfruitsandexotics.com/JFE/product-category/fruit-trees/mulberry/)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Bush2Beach on May 02, 2015, 01:35:03 PM
feels like it.   ::)

Happy belated brah!  :P
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Ansarac on May 06, 2015, 12:57:06 AM
These are heavily planted, in my city, for shade, with no particular care given as to the variety, or whether it is fruitful. They are typically pollarded, sometimes, even twice a year.

I don't have any firm figures but believe that the wood has to be several years old, in order to be productive. If you prune, the new growth on a large tree will be useless, but little clones wills be fruitful, on account of their age.

I have seen all different kinds, except for the long, Pakistan one, which seems to be more expensive.

I have just learned of a pink one and will harvest some, tomorrow. There is a pink one, growing in a yard, then, within eyeshot, out of a crack in a parking lot. I can image where it came from, as they grow spontaneously, along fences, and my drip line.

I felt that the under-ripe black ones had a pleasant tartness to them, when still a little bit red-colored.. The older ones , which stain, were somewhat vegetable-tasting and bland. They were good in sour-flavored jello, baked with added sugar, and might benefit from some lemon juice.

I am curious as to what effect cross pollination may have, if from the fruitless male. They seem to have very long inflorescences, full of pollen. I have not created a successful graft.




Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Waiting on May 07, 2015, 12:32:05 AM
Anyone doing anything interesting with their Mulberry tree(s) - espalier, stepover?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: fyliu on May 26, 2015, 12:38:11 AM
Anyone doing anything interesting with their Mulberry tree(s) - espalier, stepover?
Morus alba fruits on new growth and the new growths are often multiple feet.

I used to do this thing called stump it back to 2ft several times a year before it got too big and I took it out. Actually I didn't like the taste of it.

I'm not sure if there's a way to slow it down enough to espalier.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on May 26, 2015, 10:45:23 AM
the espaliered version I saw (from Australia) was hacked to a stump and then the new growth was espaliered up
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: shaneatwell on May 26, 2015, 10:18:09 PM
Hey y'all. I tried a few at Exotica recently.

Oscar's (some relative of persian black), was ok, some nice tartness but nothing special.

White Pakistan tasted like sweet corn to me. Interesting but wouldn't seek it out.

Himilayan was very sweet. Special but not as good as...

my own Pakistani (regular black kind). Been eating it for a couple weeks now and loving it. My favorite so far.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Viking Guy on May 27, 2015, 12:22:42 AM
Espalier style would be difficult to maintain.

The best route in such cases would be to treat it like a grape vine and make a # shape out of it--pruning all end wood for new growth on the tips and shoots.  It will likely get too thick to handle that way over time though.

I prefer the candle stick approach and cut each new growth back to 3 buds with a deep pruning, or even a topping out every 5 years.  Mulberries are beastly growers.  :)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on August 04, 2015, 01:36:17 AM
I am curious whether it's possible to identify mulberry varieties solely by their leaf shape?

Currently got 3 different kinds of mulberry cuttings growing in pots, all of them with different leaf shapes and more or less uncertain origin. Do I have to wait until they fruit? Or can leaf shape help too?  :P
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on August 04, 2015, 06:54:46 PM
Top left: clueless
Top right: black short from a neighbor
Bottom left: pakistani
Bottom right: most likely white

(http://s2.postimg.cc/u8o0acoad/image_17609.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u8o0acoad/)


Edited to add: Purdue University documentation on red vs white mulberry
https://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/FNR/FNR_237.pdf (https://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/FNR/FNR_237.pdf)

Quote
Leaves occur in three general shapes in both species entire, mitten (single lobed), and three-lobed. Red mulberry leaves (Figure 1) are usually larger (4-10 inches) than white (3-4 inches) (Figure 2). Red mulberry has dull, dark green leaves that are scabrous (rough) on top and usually lightly hairy beneath. Minor veins are numerous and obvious. Its margins are usually finely serrate when compared to those of white mulberry (Figure 3).

White mulberry leaves are bright green (usually) and shiny above (usually). If any hairs are present, they occur on the main veins beneath. The margins usually have larger, more rounded teeth. The main veins underneath are very prominent compared to those of red mulberry (Figure 4)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Lory on August 07, 2015, 09:00:36 AM
i've a little grafted tree of Morus Nigra var. della Regina ( Queen's) imported from Italy but it's still just some months old.
This variety is famous in south Italy for its  sweet and tart pulpy berries that stain anything will come in touch with them :-)
I hope it will grow healthy and bear fruits even here in tropical climate  ;)


(http://s22.postimg.cc/kk4jjwse5/gelso_nero.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kk4jjwse5/)
 
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: paradisenursery on August 08, 2015, 12:57:02 AM
We grow many  mulberries and the pakistan mulberries trees at our nursery in Los Angelws, and the fruit does not permanently stain the concrete when the fruit falls. I'm not sure how they do with fabric..
http://www.paradisenursery.com/fruit-trees/mulberries (http://www.paradisenursery.com/fruit-trees/mulberries)
http://www.paradisenursery.com/pakistanmulberry (http://www.paradisenursery.com/pakistanmulberry)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: SamiC on August 19, 2015, 05:53:26 PM
Tried  2 more Mulberries  yesterday... Both of them were Morus Albas.... "Persian White" and "White Pakistan" or White Shatoot.   


White Persian is a  terrible bland tasting berry.....Meanwhile the White Pakistan is a popping incredibly crisp vanilla sweet berry...Ultra sweet...Probably should have bought it instead of the Dark Pakistan...

Clay the White Persian Mulberry is meant for dehydrating and eating while drinking Persian tea. My parents use that or dates as a sugar substitute.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Delvi83 on August 24, 2015, 04:43:25 AM
One very good cultivar is "Gelso della Regina"...it's Morus nigra (not M.alba), it grows slower and remains smaller.
The fruit has an aromatic flavor better than any other Morus alba fruits i've ever eaten.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Lory on August 24, 2015, 07:46:46 AM
One very good cultivar is "Gelso della Regina"...it's Morus nigra (not M.alba), it grows slower and remains smaller.
The fruit has an aromatic flavor better than any other Morus alba fruits i've ever eaten.

YES I agree with you about the fruit quality that is unsurpassed compared to other varieties of Mulberry.
That's the reason why i brought here in the philippines a little grafted tree from Italy  ;)
I don't agree about the size of the tree because in good conditions it may become really big!
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: stuartdaly88 on October 15, 2015, 03:07:52 PM
White mulberry is very underrated and i love it. Like juicy honey vanilla :)
Been very dry this year so they are smaller but still tasty and the well over 20yo trees are packed!
The soil is rubbish and these trees don't even know what fertilisers are but reliably fruit super heavy every year.

(http://s23.postimg.cc/a7n5wcj53/DSC_1264.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a7n5wcj53/)

(http://s30.postimg.cc/ose8gvqil/DSC_1267.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ose8gvqil/)

(http://s30.postimg.cc/bmyqarwn1/DSC_1269.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bmyqarwn1/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/ljf4nxbrx/DSC_1258.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ljf4nxbrx/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/ugzula47x/DSC_1259.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ugzula47x/)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: fruit delivery vancouver on October 15, 2015, 06:47:12 PM
I prefer the Black mulberries, they are more flavorful and tasty than their fellow white, and red varieties. Their peak season is May through August, while the latter two varieties can be readily available until late spring.
(http://s22.postimg.cc/l95wxp2vx/black_mulberries_fruit_for_offices.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/l95wxp2vx/)

Sarah - Fruitfull Offices
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on February 23, 2016, 03:00:36 PM
I received a few mulberry cuttings that look similar from scion exchange. One is labeled "white", another is labeled "white pakistani". Any ideas whether these may be the same variety? Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Luisport on February 24, 2016, 05:36:52 AM
Hi! I have 4 mullberry trees, 1 black, one white, one pakistan black and one pakistan white.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on February 24, 2016, 01:11:14 PM
Hi! I have 4 mullberry trees, 1 black, one white, one pakistan black and one pakistan white.

How cool! How do you like "white" vs "pakistan white", in terms of taste and staining potential?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Luisport on February 24, 2016, 01:26:44 PM
Hi! I have 4 mullberry trees, 1 black, one white, one pakistan black and one pakistan white.

How cool! How do you like "white" vs "pakistan white", in terms of taste and staining potential?
;D Well i don't know yes because both are new trees, but the pakistan white flavour are discribed as having a melon taste...  :P
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Luisport on February 24, 2016, 01:33:27 PM
Hi! I have 4 mullberry trees, 1 black, one white, one pakistan black and one pakistan white.


How cool! How do you like "white" vs "pakistan white", in terms of taste and staining potential?
;D Well i don't know yes because both are new trees, but the pakistan white flavour are discribed as having a melon taste...  :P
My pakistan white is Saharanpur variety and the pakistan black one is shah-tut variety http://demoerbeiboom.be/nl/catalogus/moerbei/morus-macroura (http://demoerbeiboom.be/nl/catalogus/moerbei/morus-macroura)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: ScottR on March 08, 2016, 07:33:32 PM
Can anyone comment on the different Morus Nigras out there? Black Beauty, Noir de spain, Black Persian?
I Have Noir de Spain and Black Persian and the Noir de Spain is very close taste wise to black Persian! Very intense mulberry flavor!
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: shaneatwell on March 08, 2016, 09:02:50 PM
Hi! I have 4 mullberry trees, 1 black, one white, one pakistan black and one pakistan white.

How cool! How do you like "white" vs "pakistan white", in terms of taste and staining potential?
;D Well i don't know yes because both are new trees, but the pakistan white flavour are discribed as having a melon taste...  :P

I had pakistan white first time last year and to me it tasted like sweet corn.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: willowwater on March 17, 2016, 07:23:10 PM
Anyone able to comment on the difference, if any, among the Pakistani, Himalayan and Peruvian Mulberry varieties?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Delvi83 on April 17, 2016, 03:09:03 PM
What's the scientific name of Pakistan Mulberry? I guese it is not a variety of Morus nigra,
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: shaneatwell on April 17, 2016, 05:00:24 PM
Anyone able to comment on the difference, if any, among the Pakistani, Himalayan and Peruvian Mulberry varieties?

Have had Pakistani and Himalayan and prefer the former. Has a bit more body to me, though neither has much.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on May 07, 2016, 12:39:52 AM
I've tasted the first fruit of my "white" graft from this February. Not sure if I should judge this variety by it, too tart for my taste, although to be fair the fruit was probably not 100%, still showed a tint of red on the top. Waiting patiently for the rest of fruits to fully ripen.

Will mulberry fruits get better from its first year fruits? I may or may not want to keep this particular graft, especially since it significantly overshadows other grafts.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: bsbullie on May 07, 2016, 07:03:56 AM
Your "White" mulberry was red in color?  ???
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on May 14, 2016, 03:38:37 PM
Your "White" mulberry was red in color?  ???

Idk... From crfg website: The white mulberry is so-named for the color of its buds, rather than the color of its fruit. I am really hesitant to keep this variety. Definitely cannot compare to regular pakistani (my rootstock).

There is a "white pakistani" fruit from another graft that has been overshadowed, hoping to taste that one soon. If that one is sweet, then I can more or less conclude it's the variety, not timing.

My rootstock is regular pakistani, and this spring I grafted noir de spain, this unknown "white", and "white pakistani" onto it. My priority is taste (namely sweetness lol), then staining potential.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Pancrazio on May 23, 2016, 08:41:49 PM
I guess they refer to "Morus alba" which is the specie with white buds. "Alba" in Latin means "white". Morus nigra, instead, is the common mulberry. Supposedly better taste-wise than its white counterpart, "nigra" in this case in latin means "black". Pigmentation of fruits can range from white to black for the fruit of both species, as far as i know.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on May 24, 2016, 02:13:56 AM
The white pakistani graft has since shot up 1-2 feet in vegetative growth, but that single fruit refuses to ripen grrrr.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: TnTrobbie on May 25, 2016, 12:19:34 PM
Anyone able to comment on the difference, if any, among the Pakistani, Himalayan and Peruvian Mulberry varieties?

To bump, has anyone tasted Peruvian mulberries?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: ScottR on May 26, 2016, 10:59:39 AM
Never heard of Peruvian mulberry got pic's!
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: fyliu on May 26, 2016, 01:32:33 PM
Maybe it's a typo of Persian?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on May 26, 2016, 03:01:26 PM
google search gave me this
http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/morus_hybrid.htm (http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/morus_hybrid.htm)
5161 Morus peruviana - Mulberry, Peruvian


I am interested in WHITE color white mulberry lol
(http://s33.postimg.cc/uzrazxh63/P4123632.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uzrazxh63/)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: ScottR on May 27, 2016, 10:35:40 AM
Very interesting thanks for link ;)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on June 03, 2016, 03:01:04 PM
The white pakistani graft has since shot up 1-2 feet in vegetative growth, but that single fruit refuses to ripen grrrr.

Finally tasted it. Hmmm I found it very similar in taste to regular pakistani, mildly sweet. Maybe next year the sweetness will improve.

The other "white" mulberry graft is bearing multiple new fruits again. Have to give it credit on being prolific.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: stuartdaly88 on June 07, 2016, 03:36:26 AM
White mulberries growing at my parents house are very much snow white only if bruised do they get a pink tinge. No acidity at all like a honey sweetness.

Are all white fruited mulberries alba or not necesarrily?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on July 09, 2016, 11:10:35 PM
I've tasted the first fruit of my "white" graft from this February. Not sure if I should judge this variety by it, too tart for my taste, although to be fair the fruit was probably not 100%, still showed a tint of red on the top. Waiting patiently for the rest of fruits to fully ripen. Will mulberry fruits get better from its first year fruits? I may or may not want to keep this particular graft, especially since it significantly overshadows other grafts.

The other "white" mulberry graft is bearing multiple new fruits again. Have to give it credit on being prolific.

And voila, it redeemed itself! Got few more fruits from the new growth (as opposed to fruits that came with the scion) and they were remarkably better. Although I still prefer pakistani and my neighbor's unnamed light purple short variety, this one is worth keeping. It definitely grows FAST.

Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: akanonui on July 10, 2016, 12:20:31 AM
I have a mulberry that came to me by way of the birds. It is 3 years old now and produced fruit for the first time this season, the berries being small but entirely white and very sweet but kind of bland. It grew from the beginning of last season as a 10'' tall seedling to 4ft at the beginning of this season and is now already almost 7ft. I just pruned it back today despite right now not being the proper time. I took a lot of cuttings in hopes that the crop I got this year will be the consistent fruit type and not just it's first year fruits. I live in Michigan and we have all sorts of wild black and red mulberries but I have only seen a single what seems to be wild white mulberry a few blocks from my house at the edge of a forest. The tree itself is really weird as it put out the regular small lobed leaves on it's branches but a ton of shoots from the lower trunk have large un-lobed leaves. It has survived two of the worst winters of my lifetime as well so I guess it's fairly hardy as well.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on August 31, 2016, 07:41:34 PM
How far away should mulberry trees be planted from concrete and building foundations?

My mulberry tree is about 5.5 feet away from the fence, planning to prune it heavily to keep it from messing up the neighbor's place. However I did not think about the neighbor's foundation when planting it. It's about... um 10 feet away I guess.

What do you recommend? Would early root pruning help? Many thanks!!
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: shaneatwell on September 06, 2016, 12:29:05 AM
Trench and concrete barrier? I put everything all my fig family trees (fig, mulberry) far from house, pool and pipes. When I cut down my big F. benjamina it had a 20ft surface root to the neighbors (overwatered) yard.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: shaneatwell on September 06, 2016, 12:30:06 AM
Anyone have a male tree from named variety parentage? I'd like to stark making seeds.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on September 06, 2016, 02:36:22 PM
Trench and concrete barrier? I put everything all my fig family trees (fig, mulberry) far from house, pool and pipes. When I cut down my big F. benjamina it had a 20ft surface root to the neighbors (overwatered) yard.

!!!! omg
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: fyliu on September 06, 2016, 06:20:48 PM
Wish I had a neighbor that overwaters their yard.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: shaneatwell on September 06, 2016, 09:56:15 PM
Definitely being exploited by several of my plants.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: greenman62 on October 02, 2016, 05:30:36 PM
i am curious if anyone has tasted either the Peruvian, or, the Persian ?
i have a Pakistani, supposedly 4 inch fruits

Top  Tropicals shows an Austrailian also ?
http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/Morus_hybrid.htm (http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/Morus_hybrid.htm)

I am also wondering when these produce fruit ?

THe Red i have produces in a 3 week or so window in SPring
i have a couple of everbearing, and maybe they are just too young
but, i rarely see any fruit on them
when i do, the fruit are very small and shriveled.
i grew 2 of them from cutting from someone on here
another i got from Wellspring garden as a tissue culture
they have 1 more year and they get the axe if i dont get good fruit.

There is a tree near my house (in Wall MArt parking lot)
that produces tons of huge very tasty fruit.
again, just for a few weeks, at the same time as mine.
but  the tree only has a couple of branches low enough to reach
and i am not going to put a ladder in a parking lot to get fruit... LOL

Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Delvi83 on October 17, 2016, 09:22:44 AM
Is "Pakistan" Mullberry as cold-hard as others? Anyway most of mulberries give fruit from late Spring (End of May) to July, some also until early September
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Don on October 19, 2016, 04:08:50 AM
Found a cool lavender mulberry at my uncles house, put it up in tropical fruit discussion . Thought it may interest some of you.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on April 03, 2017, 05:24:42 PM
Finally saw new growth on the noir de spain branch. With all other varieties already fruiting on the tree, I was afraid the noir de spain (in the shadiest spot) is gone.

Started harvesting alleged "white" mulberry fruits, they become sweet only if the color turns completely black, a tint of red is still too tart for my taste. Both Pakistani and white pakistani will take couple more weeks I guess. I put up bird netting below the tree to hopefully catch ripe fruits. Then I realize how much unripe pakistani fruits fall before maturing, wow.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: fyliu on April 03, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Is unripe fruit fall normal? I see them fall after I put on bird netting. I thought it was rodents or birds before because I saw chew marks on new growth and the main trunk, and shredded leaves.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: gozp on April 15, 2017, 05:34:08 PM
Anyone here know the flavor of morus nigra from dave wilson nurserY??
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on April 15, 2017, 11:45:00 PM
Is unripe fruit fall normal? I see them fall after I put on bird netting. I thought it was rodents or birds before because I saw chew marks on new growth and the main trunk, and shredded leaves.

Idk, but white pakistani definitely has much much more fallen fruits than the "white" mulberry. Maybe they catch the wind more? Birds eat the "white" mulberry more, they haven't showed much interested in pakistani yet as these are slower to ripen.

And I finally tasted a white pakistani that probably fully ripened. Very sweet with a grassy touch I could not describe. Smells a little bit... milk-ish??? I don't know what am I talking about  ::)  Definitely very different from regular pakistani.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: fyliu on April 16, 2017, 12:06:56 AM
Most of the mulberries fell off. I don't know if they need pollination. The white fruited graft is fruiting now. Hope they stay.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on April 26, 2017, 07:30:48 PM
Started harvesting alleged "white" mulberry fruits, they become sweet only if the color turns completely black, a tint of red is still too tart for my taste.

Dealbreaker to me. Will keep a little of this variety and graft other ones onto it. I prefer to have fruits that gradually sweeten as they ripen, instead of mostly tart until 120% ripe.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: palmcity on April 30, 2017, 01:06:31 PM
My favorite daily fruit at this time of the year (april) is not grumichama, cherry of the rio grande, strawberry tree fruit, Rose Apples of various types, or mango as I have not had but one of my mangos being sweet as will happen in a few more weeks.

My favorite sweet daily treat and my best tasting fruit in April, before the mangos get sweeter at my house, is the typical black mulberry grown in south Florida. As those of us that have the black mulberry know, with a few trees you will probably get a month duration of fruit from about 4.15.17 to about 5.15.17. That's a lot of fruit compared to most other spring fruiting plants. 

Will a few trees give you plenty of fruit? Yes, see the attached picture and plant a few if you don't have any.

 
(https://s29.postimg.cc/kkx4qj0r7/IMG_1842.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kkx4qj0r7/)
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Lory on April 30, 2017, 10:05:09 PM
WOW I LOVE THAT  :P
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on May 01, 2017, 11:59:37 PM
Will a few trees give you plenty of fruit? Yes, see the attached picture and plant a few if you don't have any.

A few HUGE trees?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: TnTrobbie on May 02, 2017, 07:24:48 AM
Damn. Thats pretty sweet. I have a "peruvian" mulberry that is currently fruiting for the first time. A Home Depot special. Will take pics of immature and ripened fruits for comparison to other cvs.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Viking Guy on May 02, 2017, 11:20:45 AM
Will a few trees give you plenty of fruit? Yes, see the attached picture and plant a few if you don't have any.

A few HUGE trees?

Nah, a small tree can be that prolific.

I had a "huge" mulberry tree once that made so many berries you could fill the back of a pickup truck--literally.

Random animals of every kind came from afar to get drunk upon the fermenting juices upon the ground.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: guadua on June 05, 2017, 08:45:59 PM
Has anyone ever had Morus nigra 'Kampong sweet'? Just wondering how it may compare to most common varieties.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: SoCal2warm on June 06, 2017, 10:17:41 AM
In terms of varieties with the best flavor, here is a very simplified and general summary of things:
Black mulberries taste better than red, and red mulberries have more flavor than white. The gold standard for Mulberry taste is Persian Black, a lot of other mulberry varieties do not taste nearly as good. The flavor of Pakistan mulberry is good but not as excellent as some of the other black varieties.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: The Merrylanders on July 21, 2017, 03:39:36 PM
I have two everbearing white mulberry trees I bought from Walmart. In one year they have grown from 3 foot to almost 10 ft since hitting the rainy season here in Florida. When can I expect flowering and fruit?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: countryboy1981 on July 22, 2017, 04:11:13 PM
I am interested in the white pakistan mulberry.  Any opinions on it? And does anyone know of a source on it (I see justfruits but they haven't had them in stock in a while)?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: DesertDreamer on December 24, 2017, 02:40:34 PM
Okay, been a while for this thread, but a few questions have gone unanswered.  Peruvian is almost as good as Shangri-la.  Similar size.  Harvest time depends on heat..most people harvest April-may.  Variety cannot be reliably pinpointed via leaves.  Leaves vary a lot, but both shangri-la and Pakistani tend to have "whole" leaves with few, if any, fingers.  Alba, nigra, rubra applies to bud color, NOT fruit color.  White Pakistani and Australian are not that different.  I have both grafted to a single rootstock.  White pak tends to sugar sweet, with grassy undertones.  Australian tend tooward melon undertones.  I prefer Australian.  I have a male that I believe is black beauty;  if anyone wants scions, I'll gladly ship for postage once tree goes dormant (it's 70f here today, things barely starting dormancy).  It's not clear that fruiting must be on seasoned wood, but I definitely get better fruiting if wood/branch is woodier.  Nigra flavor is miles better;  I know taste is subjective, but I cannot imagine anyone preferring rubra or alba if they have tasted ripe Nigra. 
Anyone have tips on rooting cuttings of Nigra?  All rot for me.  Looking to trade for some gelso Della Regina.  I have Pakistani, shangri la, the two white fruited as per above.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Lory on December 25, 2017, 12:37:46 AM
I've morus nigra gelso della regina imported from Italy 2 years ago but untl now no fruits  :(
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Bush2Beach on December 25, 2017, 01:54:26 AM
Standing in the bed of your pickup or on the roof of your vehicle could work. Also, prune the heck out that tree, it's in a Walmart parking lot so no one cares or knows what to do more so than you. Then you could get more fruit and easier to harvest.


There is a tree near my house (in Wall MArt parking lot)
that produces tons of huge very tasty fruit.
again, just for a few weeks, at the same time as mine.
but  the tree only has a couple of branches low enough to reach
and i am not going to put a ladder in a parking lot to get fruit... LOL
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: shaneatwell on December 25, 2017, 04:36:01 PM
desertdreamer, when you say you have a male black beauty, do you mean a male progeny of a black beauty?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: TnTrobbie on January 10, 2018, 04:58:44 PM
Whats a good spacing for mulberries (Tice, Giant, Pakistani, etc) ? I want them to be productive. 10 ft? Right now my Pakistani has fruit on it.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: VUgearhead on February 05, 2018, 08:42:32 PM
Is now a bad time to prune mulberries to shape? I know they are quick growing and pruning anytime won't hurt them. But mine was very spindly from lots of first year growth. I was just wondering do they flower on new growth or old? Will pruning now affect how much fruit I might get this year?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: fyliu on February 09, 2018, 01:22:51 PM
They only flower on new growth. I got 4 crops when I pruned back hard 4 times a year.

My goal was to cut off the strongest growths to make the plant not grow so fast.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: FamilyJ on February 21, 2018, 02:09:51 PM
Mulberry Cutting and Mulberry Tree

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Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: swapnil.tailor on February 22, 2018, 11:35:09 AM
What is the good location in the yard where we can plant it?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: FamilyJ on February 22, 2018, 04:55:14 PM
My Mulberry is on N side and full sun. Florida
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Tree dad on March 04, 2018, 09:42:27 PM
Glad we have a Mulberry Thread. I was just thinking about these today - there are a few wild trees in walking distance to me that bear tasty fruits.
I agree that for the average person, at least in Tennessee, mulberries are not on their radar screen.

I really want to try to propagate these wild trees. I tried a couple years ago when I was even more ignorant than I am now, and they didn't root.
Any tips are welcome but I don't want to hijack this thread.
Did you ever propagate your mulberry? Air layer?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Lory on March 06, 2018, 02:07:22 AM
Air layering is fast and easy according to my experience. just take a branch of a pencil size and do it!
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: swapnil.tailor on March 07, 2018, 12:39:38 PM
I have tried couple of pakistan mulberry cuttings and they seems to be sprouting. Not sure if the roots are formed or not as i can't see it from outside. But want to check, should i keep them outside now, given weather is warming up and to full sun or in shade? Any thoughts on it, i am Zone 9b (San Jose, CA) and day time weather is in 60s to 70s and night time is in 40s - 50s.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Goyo626 on March 24, 2018, 11:21:29 AM
Started mulberry cuttings a month ago. All except two are pushing leaves. However, i noticed that some of the cuttings are developing fruit. Should i pick these off, will they drop on their own, or will the fruit develop?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: FamilyJ on March 25, 2018, 07:36:19 AM
I got leaves and fruit but just checked and has no roots?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Viking Guy on March 26, 2018, 01:05:12 AM
Guys, don't let cuttings make fruit.  Snip that stuff off.  All energy needs to be diverted to making roots.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Goyo626 on March 30, 2018, 10:54:06 AM
Guys, don't let cuttings make fruit.  Snip that stuff off.  All energy needs to be diverted to making roots.

Thanks i did end up clipping them off. Amazing how many i had to take off. But for curiosity sake, would the fruit developed had i left them on and would the quality be any good?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Viking Guy on March 31, 2018, 10:54:41 AM
Guys, don't let cuttings make fruit.  Snip that stuff off.  All energy needs to be diverted to making roots.

Thanks i did end up clipping them off. Amazing how many i had to take off. But for curiosity sake, would the fruit developed had i left them on and would the quality be any good?

Good news, I've done this via the sake of curiosity when having plenty to play with.

Bad news is the only cutting that failed to produce any roots at all was the one which made the fruit, and the fruit never fully matured and ended up drying up and fell off at about 1/3rd development.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: FamilyJ on April 01, 2018, 09:41:17 AM
Im now trying to put cuttings in AeroGarden
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: swapnil.tailor on April 12, 2018, 03:32:40 AM
So I almost killed my Pakistan mulberry cuttings which already started keves by putting it outside. And later again revive one which started leaves with some fruits alond with it. Wondering should I remove fruits along with leaves or just fruits so it can send it's energy in roots?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Viking Guy on April 12, 2018, 06:36:32 AM
So I almost killed my Pakistan mulberry cuttings which already started keves by putting it outside. And later again revive one which started leaves with some fruits alond with it. Wondering should I remove fruits along with leaves or just fruits so it can send it's energy in roots?

Prevent any mulberry cuttings from fruiting in the first 1-2 years of being rooted.  Right now, roots are all that matters.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Samu on April 12, 2018, 01:20:01 PM
I read somewhere that Mulberry roots are invasive. Is it so?  I wonder if I can control the size of the tree, will this also limit the roots' invasiveness as well?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Viking Guy on April 12, 2018, 06:58:24 PM
I read somewhere that Mulberry roots are invasive. Is it so?  I wonder if I can control the size of the tree, will this also limit the roots' invasiveness as well?

There are many ways to control their roots and size.  Much depends on how and where you want it (pot/ground/etc).
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: Bush2Beach on April 14, 2018, 11:46:11 AM
YES! This is true. I planted a Pakistan against the house and had to remove it 3 years later when i noticed huge roots wrapping around the corner of the foundation.


I read somewhere that Mulberry roots are invasive. Is it so?  I wonder if I can control the size of the tree, will this also limit the roots' invasiveness as well?
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: gnappi on April 17, 2018, 11:20:30 AM
Yup, mulberry is one of my 5 top fruits. This year has been a spectacularly abundant and long season on mine. I have mine planted on the north side of my house away from any possibility of fruit staining my car or pavers.

Funny it is next to a 13' mango and it fruits heavily in the mango tree shade.

I wish they could be found in stores in the off season but the ripe fruit is so delicate they could not be shipped. I guess its a hobbyist fruit.
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: funlul on April 25, 2018, 01:39:31 PM
Unknown mulberry rooted from my neighbor's tree. Any guesses about variety? Thank you!

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Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: containerman on April 25, 2018, 02:41:25 PM
My dwarf is loaded with berries.
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Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: TnTrobbie on June 10, 2018, 09:31:27 PM
Just had my first taste of "Australian" mulberry. The tree is barely 3ft tall and was dormant until the last maybe 6-7 weeks. Looking at google images they are similarly shaped  and ripe colored like "White Shahtoot". They were delicious. Very sweet and delicate with a hint of melon/cantaloupe. Got it from TopTropicals so who knows what it really is.

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Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: snowjunky on June 29, 2018, 06:12:20 AM
How does Tice mulberry compare to Shangri La in terms of fruit size and flavor?  They're both from Florida. 
Found conflicting fruit size info on Tice online.  One site says up to 2.5" while another says 1"
Title: Re: Mulberry Thread.
Post by: FamilyJ on July 01, 2018, 03:12:00 PM
so does anyone have the white mulberry when ripe? how does it compare to the others?