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I was fortunate to ate some fruits. Tastes more like Sugar apple with a hint of Cherimoya.
Bigger than (200 - 400g) than ordinary Sugar apple with few bigger seeds. Flesh is smooth, with some grittiness.
Far better than Sugar apple, but not good as Chrimoya. The plant grows and fruit prolifically in tropics and sub-tropics.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chrysophyllum oliviforme
« on: October 14, 2017, 01:50:39 AM »
Chrysophyllum oliviforme needs no care at all and handles drought very well. Also, the trees has compact growth compared to Star apple.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chrysophyllum oliviforme
« on: October 13, 2017, 03:43:25 AM »
Chrysophyllum oliviforme is edible; not palatable.
Now, they became a tree weed in Kerala.
We use the species as rootstock for Star apple.


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Hi Rytis,
A. hirsutus grow like this only. You can't find lower branches on large trees, because Wild jacks are grown mainly for timber in Kerala. Moreover, lower branches dies off from the tree as the tree grows. BTB, this species is very fast growing.
Could you please tell something about growth rate of A. hirsutus? Some of the forum members are arguing that the species is slow growing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can cherimoya grow in Vietnam?
« on: September 17, 2017, 01:16:01 AM »
'Arka Sahan', a hybrid between Atemoya and Sugar apple is gaining popularity in South India. It grows and fruit well in tropical lowlands. The flavour is more like Sugar apple with a hint of Cherimoya. The flesh is smooth like that of Cherimoyas having sweet aroma. Fruits weigh about 400g and contain fewer seeds.

BTB, I am growing an El-bumpo seedling in tropical costal area. The 3 year old, 8ft seedling is very healthy and tolerate tropical sun and heavy rain quiet well. The plant drop its leaves twice in an year, although we lack 'too' cold months here. I hope, one day the plant will flower as it go dormant twice in an year.

Have u try cutting some branches on the el bumpo to see if it will flower?
Will cutting branches induce flowering?
As I said, the seedling is about 3 years old only. Cherimoyas will take 4-6 years to fruit, even in temperate regions (am I correct?). So, will wait for a couple years more.
I have chip-budded the El-bumpo to 2 Sugar apple seedlings; planning to bud it on a fruiting Sugar apple, when the rainy season end in December.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can cherimoya grow in Vietnam?
« on: September 16, 2017, 10:24:07 PM »
'Arka Sahan', a hybrid between Atemoya and Sugar apple is gaining popularity in South India. It grows and fruit well in tropical lowlands. The flavour is more like Sugar apple with a hint of Cherimoya. The flesh is smooth like that of Cherimoyas having sweet aroma. Fruits weigh about 400g and contain fewer seeds.

BTB, I am growing an El-bumpo seedling in tropical costal area. The 3 year old, 8ft seedling is very healthy and tolerate tropical sun and heavy rain quiet well. The plant drop its leaves twice in an year, although we lack 'too' cold months here. I hope, one day the plant will flower as it go dormant twice in an year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Black Sapote
« on: September 10, 2017, 12:24:37 AM »
I read that Chip budding is preferred for Diospyros species.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting atemoya
« on: August 18, 2017, 07:07:09 AM »
I think the answer is "Yes". Because I had successfully chip budded Cherimoya on to Sugar apple.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: August 01, 2017, 07:17:01 AM »

The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.

I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/
He should be a member here too.

Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!

Why do you think so?

In the picture, the flowers are round. But, A. hirsutus flowers are cylindrical (much more elongated than that of Jackfruit).
Also, the leaves look different.

A picture compilation of Wild Jack is given below. The image is already there in some previous posts of the Forum.




Your seed looks much different than mine, yours resemble a lot jackfruit, while mine are smaller and more elongated.
I think being a wild species there is a lot of diversity.
The guy who sold me the seeds had multiple varieties (different fruits) and the seeds were quite different and recognizable. Now however the seedlings are all the same and I can't distinguish them.

Yes, the shape and size of seeds vary from tree to tree. Actually, the seeds shown in the picture are also small (it only appears large as the photo was taken zoomed in).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: August 01, 2017, 06:43:58 AM »
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.

I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/
He should be a member here too.

Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!

Why do you think so?

In the picture, the flowers are round. But, A. hirsutus flowers are cylindrical (much more elongated than that of Jackfruit).
Also, the leaves look different.

A picture compilation of Wild Jack is given below. The image is already there in some previous posts of the Forum.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: August 01, 2017, 05:59:20 AM »
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.

I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/
He should be a member here too.

Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: August 01, 2017, 04:31:30 AM »
In June 1985 the Livestock Research Station in Tiruvazhamkunnu in Palghat ( now called Palakkad ), Kerala initiated a field experiment planting eight fast growing multi purpose trees including Artocarpus hirsutus. Each of the eight species were planted separately in a lot of 20 m x 20 m and at 2 m x 2 m from each other.
In October 1993 the mean height of the Artocarpus hirsutus were 5.5 m and the age of the trees were 8 years and 6 months.

Is that of Areca palm seedling in the back ground of the second picture? Is it missing in the background of the accompanying first picture? I have planted in zone 13 in Latitude 13 degrees 17 ' 09" N and 74 degrees 44' 40" E in ideal humid, hot tropical monsoon climatic area, two ( not one as I mentioned before ) seedlings of A. hirsutus 6 1/2 years ago. They are about 10 feet tall with a diameter of about 4 inches. At the same time I have planted two A. altilis, one A. camanci and 4 A. heterophylus. Most of them are about 20 feet in height and already fruiting. A. hirsutus seedlings will probably fruit after 15 to 20 years.
One of the two A. hirsutus ( I have to find during my next visit where the other one is ) my brother planted about 45 years ago is about 50 to 55 feet in height and about 12" in diameter. It started fruiting about 15 to 20 years ago. And the yearly temperature there is between 70 F to 90 F with high humidity and ample monsoon rain.
I don't see the reason why vipinrl should be lying. Maybe there are different cultivars of hirsutus with different growth pace.

This is a facebook post of a guy in portugal with an Artocarpus Hirsutus flowering at 3 years old, with minimum temp of 12 degrees celsius:
https://www.facebook.com/search/str/artocarpus%2Bhirsutus/keywords_posts?filters_rp_creation_time=%7B%22name%22%3A%22creation_time%22%2C%22args%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22start_year%5C%22%3A%5C%222017%5C%22%2C%5C%22end_year%5C%22%3A%5C%222017%5C%22%7D%22%7D&esd=eyJlc2lkIjoiUzpfSTcxMDIxODg2MDpWSzoxOTEyMzE2MzkyMzM3NTU4IiwicHNpZCI6eyI3MTAyMTg4NjA6MTkxMjMxNjM5MjMzNzU1OCI6IlV6cGZTVGN4TURJeE9EZzJNRHBXU3pveE9URXlNekUyTXpreU16TTNOVFU0IiwiMTAwMDAwNDk3ODg5NDc2OjEyMjIxNDQ5MDc4NzkxNTEiOiJVenBmU1RFd01EQXdNRFE1TnpnNE9UUTNOanBXU3pveE1qSXlNVFEwT1RBM09EYzVNVFV4In0sImNyY3QiOiJtZWRpYSIsImNzaWQiOiIyYWZkZDU1ZGMzM2VmNzU4MmQ1NzVlZDExYjI1Mjc4MCJ9
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: August 01, 2017, 01:07:11 AM »
Having keen interest in photography which part of the first photograph of the tree's trunk is the 2nd photograph you posted with a palm behind the bole (trunk)?  In the bare trunk picture with your palm behind it appears to me it is about 6 inches in diameter. For a 3 year old seedling of A. hirsutus it is very hard to believe! Since the value of A. hirsutus wood is in demand and of steep price why don't they go on planting these trees in Kerala than planting rubber trees (Hevea brasiliensis)?
Looking at the bole (trunk) you pictured it appears to me that of a 12 to 15 year old A. hirsutus. Please review my previous posts on this subject.
I am holding the trunk about 1ft. from the ground. In the background what you are seeing is not palm seedlings (that are grass kinda weeds, which can be seen in the first picture also).
The tree is 3 years old only. If you can't believe me, please ask the forum member 'DurianLover'. He is growing A. hirsutus in Sri Lanka from seeds I have sent. He reported that the seedlings are very fast growing.
Forum member 'Luc' is also growing Wild jack from my seeds. But, I don't have any updates from him about the growth rate.

A. hirsutus wood is preferred only after Teak and Jackfruit wood in Kerala.  A. hirsutus wood is light weight and at the same time is strong and durable. But, the wood will bend as the weather changes. That is why, it is not used for construction and is used only for making furniture and boats.
Wild jack wood is not grown commercially, and people prefer to grow Teak which can be utilized in 20 years. A. hirsutus takes more years to form the heartwood and the sapwood is of no use. While sapwood of Teak is durable and used to make furniture.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: August 01, 2017, 12:55:38 AM »
Is that of Areca palm seedling in the back ground of the second picture? Is it missing in the background of the accompanying first picture?
It is a grass kinda weed, than can be seen in the bottom part of the first picture also.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: July 31, 2017, 04:56:39 AM »
Woa, that's huge. When do they start picking up the pace?After one year?
Yes.
Actually no one ever plants A. hirsutus in its native range (Western Ghats). Seeds sprout naturally during the Monsoon (June - August) and will get some more rain water  during November - December. The seedlings will remain with 4-6 leaves till the next Monsoon. Then they suddenly pickup the pace.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: July 31, 2017, 01:30:34 AM »
3 year old Wild jackfruit seedling.

 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: July 28, 2017, 01:00:21 AM »
A. hirsutus is VERY FAST growing. It will grow more than 21ft in 3 years.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Budding Annonas
« on: June 27, 2017, 02:10:59 AM »
I have successfully Chip-budded Cherimoya (A. cherimola) on to Sugar apple (A. squamosa) seedling.
Following are the images of the plant, 12 weeks after budding.




 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: May 21, 2017, 03:09:24 AM »

The seedlings are quiet drought tolerant.  No need to water.

Thanks! How long from germination to sprout?
Do you know if it is more cold hardy than jackfruit?
Germinated seeds will soon come out of soil surface.

Wild jacks are definitely hardier than Jacks and are very fast growing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: May 20, 2017, 08:44:24 PM »
I am growing mine in Full Mexican Sun , but water every 2 days . Doing fine .

Thanks Luc. So it's an heavy drinker.
Does it grow fast the first year?

The seedlings are quiet drought tolerant.  No need to water.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nance (Byrsonima crassifolia)
« on: April 18, 2017, 02:41:59 AM »
Nice photos. Any chance of you sharing them on: http://www.iplantz.com/plant/274/byrsonima-crassifolia


Hi, I will be happy to share the info on the site. But, don't know how to do it.
You can do it for me, if you don't mind. I will share the photos if you want.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nance (Byrsonima crassifolia)
« on: April 14, 2017, 10:04:35 AM »

Is nance tree self-fruitful?
Yes.
I have 2 seedlings and only 1 of them flowered and fruited yet.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nance (Byrsonima crassifolia)
« on: April 13, 2017, 10:36:03 PM »
Can you post a photo of a ripe fruit cut in half, the next time one ripens?

Sure :-).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nance (Byrsonima crassifolia)
« on: April 13, 2017, 10:34:08 PM »
Thanks for posting.  There seems to be varied opinions about nance so it is good to see your post.  Did you grow this from seed?  If so, how was your germination?  I have heard that germination can be erratic.  I tried some & have gotten no germination (yet?).

I have a relative (B. verbascifolia) and have also noted very vigorous growth with that one.

John

I bought 5 seeds from an Ebay seller. 2 of them germinated in about 3 weeks.
Then I shared the remaining seeds.

I kept 1 seed from my seedling in moist medium and it germinated within 3 weeks.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nance (Byrsonima crassifolia)
« on: April 13, 2017, 02:05:12 PM »
If you mixed in the blender with water and sugar the whole fruit with seeds inside then strain, add ice and is a delicious refreshing drink, you can also use milk for a milk shake, or here they do pop cycles, or ice cream, is an acquired taste most people don't like first time, but then you can't stop eating them! Also with salt lime and chili, they are awesome!

I ate only 3-4 fruits; but I liked them. not so sweet. but, have good flavor. the things disappointed me were the flesh to seed ratio and the smaller size of the fruit.

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