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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Cambuca
« on: November 24, 2018, 10:03:15 PM »
That has not been updated yet. theplantlist.org is not even Kew's primary taxonomy resource.

Try http://plantsoftheworldonline.org/?page.size=120&q=plinia much slicker and up-to-date.



Whatever it is, I've been selling it as Plinia trunciflora, and it has dangly fruits...the variety i got takes long time to fruit...but makes big fruit with thin skin, and several small seeds.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multigraft Annona harvest
« on: November 24, 2018, 06:25:33 PM »


CONGRATS!  NICE ASSORTMENT!!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Cambuca
« on: November 24, 2018, 06:20:55 PM »

Plinia peruviana is now the accepted name for Jabuticaba de Cabinho, so P. trunciflora is a synonym.



nope


well here reads something to the contrary.

http://theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-161390

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Camu Camu forest (Myrciaria dubia)
« on: November 16, 2018, 12:26:34 PM »
Just as medical doctors and lawyers and architects and industrial designers and so on aren't required to freely dispense the knowledge that has been costly for them to acquire, so it is with horticulturists as well.  Just because you may be in one of those very profitable professions and regard "messing around with plants" as merely a fun hobby to share about and have competitions about, does not therefor make inappropriate someone else's reticence to give out their horticultural information upon which they are hoping to make a better living.

The adverse effects of losing exclusivity too soon to one's hard-earned techniques can be severe and swift.  In economics, the band-wagon effect is very destructive.
As is industrial espionage.  I witnessed a nursery, from one year to the next, go from selling about 10 thousands of grafted trees of one species, per year, to one or two hundred--- because a more conveniently located nursery paid an employee to teach them the technique.

Well put. I also know many have tried and failed with growing camu camu for many years. Most have given up. Some give up after a couple of tries, some after a couple of years. If I can find a way to profit and help with this on a large scale I will do everything I can. With that said, I will not hand over my "Playbook" after many years of trials, countless hours of research, and continuous product development.

As of right now, we are still about a year or so away from actual product deployment. Just as stated above, I will not make the same mistake an entire country made in the development of this fascinating fruit by selling to the market before I can determine a proper plan of action.

I will keep this post updated as much as possible in regards to information on progress and information that has already been posted in other areas with clarification.

but i think this is the reason we don't know how the pyramids were built.  :P ;D

btw, my camu camus are finally setting fruits in a 15 gal pot about 7y old, 8ft tall...the hardest part of keeping them alive is keeping pH low.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Jade Pineapple
« on: November 16, 2018, 12:14:52 PM »
wow, biggest WJ i seen right there!

good growing Simon!

I decided to harvest another one of my White Jades today so I can bring it over to Brads for sampling. This particular fruit was growing for approximately 7 months so the 6 month rule does not always apply. I harvested a fruit at 6 months and it wasnít fully sweetened. For this fruit, I waited until The underside away from the sun, had yellow eyes all the way up and down the fruit.

After harvesting, the underside of the fruit looked a lot more green than I originally noticed right before I harvested it but I was worried about critters getting to it before I did so I took a chance. Iím hoping that this fruit will have a Brix higher than the 16% I got from my last Fruit. Iíll update with a taste report after we cut it open later. The fruit, with the top on, weighed approximately 3lbs 10 Oz so the fruit itself probably weighs about 3 lbs. here are some pictures









Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PLEASE IDENTIFY THIS FRUIT TREE
« on: November 16, 2018, 12:10:34 PM »
cordia myxa


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nice fruit, and pics!

thanks for sharing hoss!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Camu Camu forest (Myrciaria dubia)
« on: November 15, 2018, 12:27:17 PM »
Nice setup, good to see some nice experimental rare fruit grove growers.

I hope the berries ripen before they freeze. I'm not worried about the trees freezing at this point though.

how u heating them?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Camu Camu forest (Myrciaria dubia)
« on: November 12, 2018, 12:57:08 PM »

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I wonder if anyone can verify if they had distributed budwood of Arka to South America (Peru) soon after it had been released?

I suppose Dream could have been a seedling of Arka that stayed true, I've seen this happen with some of the variable atemoyas that are not true from seed, like Lisa (48-26)...so every now and then you get a seedling that is just like the parent, or not much different, from a tree that normally produces highly variable offspring.
 
Wayne said he planted the original Dream from seed, and he's not a liar.

Hey Adam
Scions can get mixed up and varieties renamed by mistake it happens all the time but as I remember Dream was advertised as dream cherimoya which is absolutely false. This is clearly an atemoya whatever name you want to call it.

it being a seedling of Arka that stayed somewhat true is a logical explanation, if indeed, Wayne didn't mix things up.

i think everyone pretty much agreed a long time ago that it's most likely an atemoya. 

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I wonder if anyone can verify if they had distributed budwood of Arka to South America (Peru) soon after it had been released?

I suppose Dream could have been a seedling of Arka that stayed true, I've seen this happen with some of the variable atemoyas that are not true from seed, like Lisa (48-26)...so every now and then you get a seedling that is just like the parent, or not much different, from a tree that normally produces highly variable offspring.
 
Wayne said he planted the original Dream from seed, and he's not a liar.

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lol Dream is a seedling, so it's not the same.

Frank,

    What variety are those two fruits? Are they Dream atemoya? They look very tasty and great looking fruit to boot.

Vincent.

Hey Vince
Here in SoCal we call dream by its original name Arka Sahan....we believe they are the same variety





Hey JF, how are the dream in SoCal? I have some growing from seed right now (im in norcal) should I grow to maturity or use at root stalk in your opinion?
Arka Sahan are delicious unfortunately are not true to seeds you will have to graft them. My anona sale is in March 2019

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Solid post Vernmented,

congrats on your fruit...

my trees died with hurricanes and freezes...

i sent scions to Hi and PR, and saw the fruits produced there, and they looked much larger (still medium, but medium large), they get golden shoulders, and have nice symmetrical shape.

everyone seems to love them.

btw
if you look at pics of both fruits, the Dream is smoother, all the Arkas I've seen have more prominent protuberances.

I was told Dream is the same as Arka Sahan Atemoya, is that correct?

I know Wayne Clifton very well. I have the Dream origin story corraborated by Wayne and one of my best friends that has been in the tropical fruit societies since the late 1980s.

Dr. Paul Beaver was active in the local Rare Fruit Councils before I started growing. I believe he lived in Tampa and owns/runs Amazon eco tours through this company. https://perujungle.com/

Dr. Beaver supplied some seeds from Peru that Wayne grew out and Wayne ended up grafting the most vigorous seedling to an established in ground Annona.

Here are some pics of my homegrown Dream fruit from this year. No grit, no weird hard areas around the seeds and A++++ flavor.

The fruit tend to be small to medium size here in Florida and it doesn't seem to crop heavily but I haven't seen a tree really heavily pruned, hand pollinated and ideally fertilized and watered either.

I love this fruit.







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hey party people, i got one of these for sale almost ready to fruit, I think close to 4y by now.

check out the link!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-RARE-Myrciaria-glomerata-NOT-glazioviana-makes-RED-FRUIT-jaboticaba-tree/192709680322?hash=item2cde645cc2:g:avoAAOSwxxVb24Oi:rk:1:pf:0

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Flying Fox Fruits Nursery
« on: November 02, 2018, 11:22:53 PM »
wow!  SUPER RARE TREE FOR AUCTION!  Only one available!

bids start at $275, and don't forget the shipping, $50...

this one is close to fruiting too!!  about 4y old by now.

Myrciaria glomerata, NOT the same as the more common M. glazioviana.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-RARE-Myrciaria-glomerata-NOT-glazioviana-makes-RED-FRUIT-jaboticaba-tree/192709680322?hash=item2cde645cc2:g:avoAAOSwxxVb24Oi:rk:1:pf:0

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out of phitrantha "costada" scions!

almost out of Otto Andersen "Branca vinho", Myrciaria guaquiea, and Plinia grandifolia.

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Scions arrived looking very nice, grafting tonight. Thank you very much. And the extras are much appreciated as well.

Do you have scions of Roxa Polpa?

THANKS for the UPDATE ROBLACK

right now i just have seedlings of Roxa Polpa, but no scions!


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Dennis_no_Frost,
try the otto andersen branca vinho, escarlate, grimal, coronata restinga, and maybe red? or the costada? 

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forgot to mention, i have at least one more variety I'm selling scions of, I believe it's P. cauliflora, the fruit has thin skin, and a nice flavor, and the scions seem to flower very early, within one or two years from grafting.  For now I'm just calling it "Novak", after Charles Novak, the person who gave me scions originally.  I'm sure this variety has a Portuguese name, maybe one of the older varieties of cauliflora, but I haven't been able to pinpoint which one it is.

small scions $5, medium scions $7, large scions $9

also have a limited amount of small/medium scions i can sell of the Sabara hybrid that PIN was selling years ago.  A very beautiful tree, very easy to grow so far, it reminds me of Sabara x coronata, or maybe Sabara x Paulista?  I haven't seen the fruits yet....hopefully soon...

small scions $7 medium $10

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I will be selling most of those on ebay throughout the year...i have some grafted lucs coming for ebay auctions soon, and some grafted lemon drops of the superior variety as well.

i've been shipping small seedlings of the lemon drops, and a few other random species, I actually have a bunch of seashore mangosteens i need to sell in one gal right now...

and a couple achachairu in one gal pots...

soon should have a few G. aristata, and other rare ones...I will probably list on ebay, as small plants to ship anywhere in US besides AZ

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JABO SCIONS FOR SALE NOW!
Plinia/Myrciaria (Jaboticaba) scions for sale now:

PLEASE EMAIL INQUIRIES TO FLYINGFOXFRUITS@gmail.com with the subject as "JABO SCIONS" or you can post here, or try to send me a PM on FB, and I will try to respond to all requests in an orderly and timely manner.

-minimum order: $20 domestic,$30 international
-shipping domestic is $7 priority mail
-shipping international starts at $14 for the slowest service, and typically cost approx $33 for priority mail for larger orders.

-minimum 2 cuttings per variety
-some varieties will sell out very fast, because of limited availability

approximate cutting sizes:
Small (S) 0.4cm diameter
Medium (M) 0.5-0.7cm diameter
Large (L) 1-1.5cm diameter
(All scions approx 6-8 inch in length)

-Plinia cauliflora hybrid (red/precoce jaboticaba)
(S) $3.5 (M) $5 (L) $7.5
-P. sp "Grimal"
(S) $5 (M) $8 (L) $10
-Plinia phitrantha var "Otto Andersen, Branca Vinho"
(s) $7.5
-P. corontata var "Restinga"
(S) $5 (M) $8
-P. cauliflora "Paulista"
(s) $4 (M) $6 (L) $8
-P. aureana "Branca/White"
(S) $5 (M) $7 (L) $10
-P. edulis "Cambuca"
(S) $7 (M) $10 (L) $12.50
-P. spiritosantensis
(s) $7.5
-P. grandifolia
(S) $7 (M) $10
-P. cauliflora hybrid "Escarlate"
(S) $7.5
-P. trunciflora "Cafe"
(s) $3.5 (M) $5 (L) $7.5
-P. phitrantha "costada"
(s) $7 (M) $10
-P. rivularis (I'm not sure what rootstock is compatible with this species, although rooting cuttings is possible)
(s) $10 (M) $12.5

-Myrciaria guaquiea (grafts onto M. glazioviana)
(S) $6 (M) $8
-M. strigipes (grafts onto M. glazioviana)
(s) $6 (M) $8
-M. vexator ((I'm not sure what rootstock is compatible with this species, although rooting cuttings is possible)
(s) $4 (M) $6
-M. glomerata (I'm not sure what rootstock is compatible with this species, although rooting cuttings is possible)
(s) $10

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Millipede in Jabo
« on: August 30, 2018, 02:13:52 PM »
they crawl all over the trees at night, up the trunk from the soil, I've seen them up over 2-3ft off the ground, they just seem to clean the trees really, eating organic matter, nothing living.

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But you shouldínt even be able to see or bid on my auctions if you arenít located in the USA, or PR
Also, the auctions I do on ebay are private, so you can't go back and see the final price paid for each auction.

So in conclusion - in the case of your auctions (sales entries) and forum publications, after some time no one will find out at what price the product was sold. As for me, however, this is an little inconvenience, because by reading this forum you can not compare previous and current prices. The reference point also disappears. So If you want to set the sales price based on other offers it is not possible. Auctions (regardless of whether it is a buy now option or a public or private bid) disappear after some time, so the reference point also disappears.

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In the case of your specific auctions, you enter the starting price, for example 30 USD, so in the case of your offer, the price is at least USD 30, so it is initially determined and constitutes a specific. My question is rather about price quotation for the auction with the option to buy now. In addition, I would like to find out if it is necessary in this situation to quote the initial prices / minimum prices for which a particular plant or seeds are put in the bidding option. Anyway, giving the initial price in the offer with the auction can be a good advertisement, especially if the auction will be from 1 USD. What do you think about Oscar? it's also interesting what the admin thinks about it. Thanks.

the initial price for the auction is not really a good indicator of the price that will be actually paid at the end of the auction, because you have to consider all the possible bids, the shipping cost, and the fact that I list my items at prices that are below what I'm comfortable selling the item for.  So I wouldn't want to have to keep posting low prices associated with my plants, so people keep asking me about buying them at the price I start my auctions at.  Also, the auctions I do on ebay are private, so you can't go back and see the final price paid for each auction.

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Is the price given in the auction reference, such as here:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8605.925

Is acceptable? Should the price always appear in the content of the entry (eg under the link to the auction)?

In my opinion, the price (and the name of the product offered in the online reference) should be in each entry (on the forum), regardless of whether it is additionally in the link or not. It gives everyone - a nice point of reference. After some time the auctions expire and you can not check what the previous price was. Please, if possible, explain from the admin.


if you are linking to an auction, there is no way to designate a price to list on the forum.

by virtue of clicking on the link during the auction, you could at any time, see the actual price that is also visible to the public.

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