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Orkine -- looks fine to me.
Thanks Jeff, that's good news.


Anyone knows how to get a Sugar Dragon plant in South Florida?

Onur in Bradenton listed several varieties.
Unfortunately he does not ship and only has a short time to sell.
If you know anyone in Bradenton who can pick up and ship to you, throw some business his way.

I did several mango graft this season and got many good takes.
On one of the grafts, I recently took off the binding which was not expanding with the plant.  It had started to girdle it but I got it in time and the plant appears to have recovered (the compressed portion has increased in thickness to match the rest of the branch.)
I noticed a few days ago that some sap had oozed out at the graft location.  I am wondering if in expanding the back got cracked allowing something to infect the joint.  Has anyone observed this and is there anything I should do? 

The tree the graft is on is one I am top working.  The tree pushing new growth heavily and all over, including on the new grafts and the untrimmed parts of the original tree.  The tree looks very healthy other than this oozing sap which also is observed at one more graft location.  Other grafts on the tree look fine, the two with the sap had some stress.

The first had the wrapping left on too long on the graft. used to be thinner but you can hardly tell.  If I am going to lose this I can start prepping budwood from it to graft elsewhere.

The top of the graft on this broke in a wind event.  A small piece that was left had 2 buds, both pushed.  One has sap and the other does not.   


I no longer do complete cutback for top-working. Instead, I'll lop off 1/3 to 1/2 of the tree then graft the resulting sprouts. The rest gets top-worked in the following years. This leaves the tree with foliage and allows it to continue to photosynthesize.
That is how I am doing the next two topworks.
I took the first third of my starter tree (a Tommy A that I got from Home Depot more than 13 years ago) and a second tree from the same period is now 1/3 whatever it used to be, with a number of varieties grafted on for a 4 of 5 in one tree in the future.  Grafts on these trees grow very nicely.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Question about grafting
« on: September 28, 2018, 07:50:11 PM »
There was a post here a while ago about mango on cashew root stock.  Don't know where that went but the story at the time was that it worked.
I am sure if you do a search you will find it.  That pairing will be family and is clearly less common and likely more risk of failing, but suggests not impossible.

Found it,

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Longan trees too close, what's next?
« on: September 23, 2018, 08:20:45 AM »
I have a pair grown about that close together.  Lychee not Longan.
I believe at the time I had read somewhere that you could plant two trees n the same hole to get more out of your yard.  In hindsight I would have preferred to have separated them but both are grown and both set fruit.
You will have to prune and manage the trees especially is one is more vigorous than the other.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Fruiting of Cola Nut (Cola acuminata)
« on: September 22, 2018, 06:37:25 PM »
Thanks, I wasn't paying adequate attention.  Still happy to see cola nut being planted and discussed.

I dont know what I need to do to fix this.

These are grafts on a recently top-worked tree.
The grafts took but the growth is anemic at best.  The leaves are tiny and even when there has been a second flush it sits right on the first making it look more like a rose than a mango (see fourth and fifth picture).

Should I feed this plant Nitrogen, it needs to grow.
I have or can get fertilizer with minors if that is what this baby needs.

This is my most recent graft on the same stump and the first flush here look more normal.  The blue dots are from a recent spray of copper.

In case it is relevant, I don't irrigate or fertilize my lawn - which comes right up next to the tree.  I use a mulching mower to the grass clipping return to the soil.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Fruiting of Cola Nut (Cola acuminata)
« on: September 22, 2018, 10:20:56 AM »
I grew up with cola nut, part of most traditional ceremonies in most of West Africa.
Don't recall ever having any that I will call sweet.
By the way, the Yorubas call it "Obi Abata".

There is a second seed, also not sweet, often used by elders in ceremonies called "Orogbo" by the Yorubas. (Garcinia Kola, according to sources online).

Interesting to see these being grown elsewhere.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« on: September 15, 2018, 10:37:16 AM »
Yea, love is a truly strange thing, tops reason.  I believe we have forum members growing mango outdoors in GA.
That's feeling.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What caused this Longan to die?
« on: September 12, 2018, 10:37:20 PM »
By the way, my avocado died back the same way.  It was a much smaller tree but it had fruits and just started browning.  Some leaves are still green but just about the entire tree is brown and the fruits wouldn't drop but shriveled up.Trees on either side of it are fine.

I am curious to learn what you think happened.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What caused this Longan to die?
« on: September 12, 2018, 05:23:10 PM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gratting success!!!
« on: September 01, 2018, 12:53:43 PM »
Looks like a start to me. 
As noted by others, you are not out of the woods yet but I know the feeling, its great to see new green push through the buddy tape.
Pay attention to new sprouts on the root stock below your graft on the same limb.  Snap them off, you don't want new growth competing with your Sweet tart.
Let us know when you want to start your 12 steps.  Because like many of us, you will be addicted to grafting.  .. and you know you can stop anytime you want ... :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: September 01, 2018, 12:41:22 PM »
Orkine, don't know how long you've been growing avocados so don't take this wrong but avocados drop/replace leaves several times a year. What you have may be nothing more than normal leaf senescence or may be a case of phytophora with all your rains.  I've sent off black avocados sticks to the U. of Florida tissue lab analysis services and those folks are excellent.  Also, there are quite a few products that nail phytophora as a soil drench and or leaf spray.  Magnabon CS2005 is one of them.  It's a systemic.  Frank Miele is from your neck of the woods and developed it.  It's also OMRI certified if you happen to roll that way.
No offence taken Mark and rest assured, I will always take advice and feedback from experienced folks, even when not delivered as nicely as you do :)

This tree is one of two I had and used to be a Lula before I grafted it to Oro Negro (scions from Carlos) a few years ago.  I have seen it drop leaves but this looks different. It is over the entire tree with complete die back of limbs after the leaves drop.  The fruits are wrinkled and seem to be drying out.  Here are a few pictures.

This other one below, I fear may be the future of this tree.  It was a vigorous productive Monroe (at least so I thought) that was knocked down by two storms, propped back up both times, and it looked like it was coming back.  Then started deteriorating just the same way the Oro negro is now.  It is dead now and I will take a chain saw to it soon.  I will leave a stump in the off chance that I am wrong and it is not dead.

I am trying whatever I can to save the tree, sentimental reasons (first successful graft ever).  However, I am looking at the silver lining, if this dies, I will have space for one of the many plants in my seedling areas in need of a spot in the yard.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what's happening to my annona grafts?
« on: September 01, 2018, 10:20:16 AM »
my recommendation toanyone on Anona is to put your seedlings into ground first so they have good root system.

That's what I did, potted up a cherimoya seedling before grafting your budwood - Sabor, Campas, Pierce and Behl.  The seedling was only established about 3 weeks though, but as you've seen quickly became a 5' tree of 6 successful grafts.   


Mark, you have a serious green thumb :) 
I recall seeing some posts when you made those grafts back in March I believe.
Nice.  Keep a photorecord of this and share from time to time.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: August 30, 2018, 09:56:51 AM »
Thanks for the suggestion Khaled.
I will look into it.
I was hoping to get an immediate response in case there is action i can take immediately to arrest this decline.
Got a few tips,  working all fronts.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: August 28, 2018, 07:02:41 PM »
Sorry to post this in more than one place but I need t maximise my chances of getting someone to see this and hopefully have a solution.

I have a dying avocado.
This picture is of one of several leafs on the plant.

I am trying to learn what this is and if there is a cure of if I should plan on recovering the space for a different tree in the future..

Tree is in Florida, in full sun, an Oro Negro.  We have had a mix of heavy rain with periods of dry and very hot conditions.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help my Avocado is dying
« on: August 28, 2018, 02:57:35 PM »
Any other suggestions or is my tree a goner

I really want to keep this tree.  It was my first successful graft.

The pictures below are from one of the leafs on a branch that is wilting.  If this some deficiency that can be cured or some killer desease?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help my Avocado is dying
« on: August 26, 2018, 10:06:19 PM »
That crossed my mind.  I looked very carefully, at both plants, the dead one and the photographed one.  I did not see any beetles, pin holes or white residue.

Doesn't mean it isn't, may be I don't know where to or what to look for  :).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Help my Avocado is dying
« on: August 26, 2018, 06:17:12 PM »
I had two avocado trees.
Irma and an earlier storm knocked one around.  Twice I had to upright it after it was blown down.
Earlier this year it started to lose leaves and deteriorate and eventually died.
I attributed it to significant root loss due to having been knocked down twice.

My other tree was doing great.  It is an Oro Negro and is holding fruit.
In the last two weeks it has started looking poorly. The leaves are not vigorous and green and are wilting.  Some branches are turning brown and dying back.  This is how the other tree died and I am beginning to think this was not about root damage.

Please take a look at these pictures and tell me if there is any way I can save this tree.

In case it helps, it has been very hot.  Rain has not been unusual, heat has been a factor, it has been very hot and the tree is in full sun.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wanted: M-4 mango scions
« on: August 26, 2018, 11:20:33 AM »
You may have better luck with enthusiasts and hobbyists who will go out and prep a few sticks for you but do not sell and are not set up to sell.
Offer shipping or provide a shipping label and your chances go up since then they are only spending the time to prep the scion for you.
I do have one M4 but cant prep budwood for you this cycle, the plant is young and is only now recovering from being planted next to an aggressive plant that was chocking its roots out.

Please explain the water trick?

Is this the motion detector that sprays water or something new that I am unaware of?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple question
« on: August 19, 2018, 10:11:40 PM »
Jani, do you know what type it is?

Its a nice tree and I will keep it till someone takes it, I certainly don't plan to put it in the compost heap.


I took most of the fruits today.

A family of fat raccoons visited and littered the bottom of the tree with ripe half eaten fruit.  I saw a couple scurrying around from inside the house but they took off (more like rolled along), the last raccoon was still in the three when I got outside.  I gave it a start and it almost fell off the tree.  It scampered down and ran off without its prize.

Looks like nature has determined that the fruits are ready to be picked. 

I left a few on, I am sure they will come back for them.  If not I will have more to pick in a week.

Took the opportunity to harvest some of my Keith too.  The skin was beginning to crack on a few of them.

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