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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Should I let choc anon yellow on the tree
« on: June 16, 2018, 06:18:25 PM »
I think my choc anon is ready to pic.  It has not yellowed yet but my guests, birds, squirrels rabbit and raccoons have started taking their share.
What they leave behind yellows nicely in a day on the ground and is nicely colored on the inside.

Should I pick the fruit green for the best taste or let yellow on the plant?

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Need some help and information.
I am in Florida and it has been particularly rainy.
Last time I applied copper int he evening it rained during the night and all day the next day.  I did not know if I should have reapplied immediately, kept my schedule or reapply but after a week or so.

What is your strategy for fungicide application when it rains every day?

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Citrus General Discussion / Can anyone please ID this disease?
« on: June 06, 2018, 02:00:49 AM »
First I cant confirm this is a disease but I had never seen it on my trees and it seems to have occurred after a severely vet period.
It look like a tan blotch wrapped around the stem and branches.



Should I be treating this?  What is it?

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I have had some time caterpillars doing a number on some of my cherimoya root stock.  I was out picking them off and came across these two much larger specimens.
They are pond apple seeds I started and I don't have a problem with them having some of the leaves.
I just want to know what these are and if I should be worried and get rid of them or if they are young of some lovely butterfly I should let live.




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I had a great fruit set this year with way more fruit on many trees than they had ever seen.
Many are dropping fruits leaving just one or two per panicle (fewer in each cluster).
One entire branch broke off under the weight of fruit and some wind.
Now I have so many small to medium size green mangos.
I am thinking of throwing some of the fruits into my composting heap.
Is this a good or terrible idea?
In searching to see if this question had been asked on the forum I saw a post from 2014 where someone was concerned about spreading antraconose Can I expect the heat of cooking compost to kill of pathogens?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Train cherimoya plant for rootstock
« on: May 05, 2018, 04:10:57 PM »
I started some cherimoya seedling last year.
They have done well.
I grafted on to a couple of them this spring and one took nicely with Birula.  Others did not but have continued to grow.  In spring they were realy tiny and I didn't hold out any hope (they were thinner than almost all the budwood I had, now they are the perfect pencil size of just larger. Unfortunately no atemoya budwood to put on them.  I will graft them in spring.)

The tallest is about 3 feet tall and they are growing straight up with no branching.  Should I top them to induce branching? the goal would be to graft unto those branches next spring. 

Will take any tips on shaping a cherimoya tree from seedling stage.

See pictures below.  The measure is two feet long for scale.  The smallest of the plants are in a 3 gallon pot and the largest are in a huge pot  in which I plan to keep one or two of them for a very long time.  It appears the pot size matters.


A little over 2 feet tall. In a small pot.


About 3 feet tall.  In a huge pot with huge leaves about 9 inches long.


The runt of the group.  Just over a foot tall.  In a small pot.

I planted 3 to a pot so I could select after grafting.  Now I am thinking I will approach graft two to get double root system and remove the third.  I have been following Simon's posts and am curious.  Buts that for another post, for now, to top or not to top and at what height?

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I was out looking at a seedling yesterday and saw the orange blob climbing out of the mulch onto the seedling.
The appearance was of a dry powdery deposit.  On touching with a stick I realized it was actually slimy n wet. Almost like a deep yellow orangish custard.
I looked it up and came across an article "What is the Orange Fungus Growing in my mulch?"
Interesting read.  Anyone experienced this and do you need to manage it or is it a good thing?

Will post photo later.


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I got a nice mango (3 gal pot) about a year or so ago and transplanted it immediately into the soil.

I dug a large hole, much larger than I needed because it was not far from a tree that had roots all over the place.  I made the hole large and cleared all the roots in the space.  Replace with nice soil mix and planted my mango.  It has not done very well and in investigating yesterday (I moved mulch aside) I found a lot of fibrous roots under the mulch.  It was exactly the same type of root I had removed in making the hole.
Aparently the large tree just made a whole lot more roots and took over the area i prepared for the mango.  What is the best course of action.

1) Dig up the mango and abandon the location? 
2) dig a perimeter to a few feet all the way around my mango to cut off the tree roots again and this time place a root barrier of some sorts, plastic plain or painted with microkote on both inside and outside.  Can the roots come in from the bottom in this case?
3) Kill the useless but large tree and lets its roots rot in place(so pissed, I am liking this right now)
4) Fertilize enough for both and just know that my mango will continue to be out-competed by a well established tree that roots like crazy

Or is there something else I should do.

It is M4 and I want it to live and do well.  If I am going to do anything I'd like to do it as we are going into the rainy season.

By the way, are there any trees in Florida with roots that put out chemicals to retard its competition?  I ask because the root smell seems to be the only game in town anywhere I have come across it close to this tree.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What are these and how do I control them
« on: April 22, 2018, 03:38:35 PM »
I have some pest identification and pest control questions.

There are what I assume to be 3 different things.

First:  Some bug is eating notches in my lychee.  I assumed it is a weevil of some sort but have never spotted it.
See images below



Next on lychee and longan, there is this ?I don't know what it is?  that is on the underside of a number of leaves.  It does not appear to be moving and may be the case of a bud long gone or some stage in the life cycle where it is not active.  Can you id this and how do I treat control this?




Lastly, there are these neat rows of what I assume are scales along the ribs of several leafs, see images below.  Other than scraping them off, is there anything I should be doing?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / The weeds love my mulch
« on: April 21, 2018, 08:03:38 AM »
So I started mulching some of my trees late last year.
I still have several bare.  What I have noticed recently is this explosion of weed (or ground cover) on the mulched plants.  On one the density was such you could not see the mulch.  On the others I pick the weed once I see it. 
I took a 3 day trip a couple of weeks ago and when I returned I had to spend a good amount of time freeing my trees from what I see as competition.  Am I missing something?

Should I be removing these weeds?  Does it matter what they are?
If I had all my trees mulched it will be a full time job keeping the weeds off, is there a product to knock them back without harming the roots near the surface.
I am not doing organic and will use chemicals if i have to, but will like to keep the use of chemicals to a minimum.

Should I just bury the weeds under even more mulch?

I need all the information on mulching I can get because I am thinking this is the way to go with the other trees (no trunk damage from edger on my mulched trees  :) ) so please share your experience.


Modified to add pictures:



The weed is on the edge of the mulch, waiting to invade!



On the move



Close up view of a few I pulled.



Complete take over.  I mulched this little tree and didn't keep it up.  The weed has taken over what used to be mulch, mostly soil now.



Trying to get back my territory.  I pulled half of this mulch bed.  You can see the dying weeds on the pulled half.  They have nice white roots, very happy looking roots.  Just on the wrong plants.



I also have this weed which is also pretty aggressive.  It crawls along crowding out just about anything else.


One last fact in case it matters.  I get my mulch from a local nursery for free.  It is wood shavings or chips used for stable bedding.  It slightly aged but you can still see the dried horse business (#2).  Could this be seed source for importing new weeds.


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I was gone for a few days and what had been a couple of flowers on one mango tree had become a full fledged late flowering on 3 trees.
I sprayed some sulfur as part of regime to keep powdery mildew at bay.  It rained about an hour later.  fairly heavy shower too and will likely have rain showers in the next day or two.
My question is, should I consider the current application a bust and spray as son as I get a good dry day or should I assume I got some benefit from this application and wait a little?

Also, the trees that flowered dropped a fair amount of fruits a couple the size of golf balls, most about the size of a grape.  Is this normal and what can I do to limit fruit drop.

Happy it rained, it had been bone dry for a while.  I think that may be more to blame for the fruit drop.  I wet the trees twice a week during the driest period, not sure if I let the irrigation run long enough though.

In case it matters, biggest culprit is a Choc-anon, about 12 feet tall.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Garcinia seedling
« on: April 01, 2018, 05:34:26 PM »
Luc's (mexican), Lemon drop mangosteen (Intermedia??)
Or any other you can talk me into.

SO I plant and love mangos.  I am trying atemoya and recently got interested in Garcinia (stuff I read on the forum).
I should be getting some seeds soon curtsy a generous forum member.  I am interested in getting a seedling or two though and Luc's is talked about a lot, also lemon drop.

So does anyone, preferably in Florida have seedlings to sell or trade?

PM me.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking for Licia scion
« on: March 29, 2018, 11:07:54 PM »
Need licia cherimoya budwood

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Where to get best deal on 0-0-50
« on: March 19, 2018, 09:06:26 PM »
I am interested in getting some Sulfate of Potash (Potassium Sulfate) for my mangoes.

I understand I want granular form and will use often but in small quantities.

Any recommendations on where to purchase some to get the best value.

Also, what quantity to buy, Amazon has 5 lb bags, 2 for $26 delivered.  I have a dozen or so mango trees.  Should I get a 50 lb bag or is 10 lb all I need?  Does it keep?


By the way, liking the discussion on the slow release fertilizer thread.  Didn't want to hijack with this question.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / On a lighter note - describing my soil
« on: March 18, 2018, 11:04:07 AM »
So I was watering the other day, its been very dry, and whatever I put on the ground just disappears.
As I watched a thought crossed my mind.
My soil is really well drained except when it is flooded.
I couldn't help but laugh at how strange that came out, well drained and flooded.
The more I thought about it the less absurd it sounded.
A low lying well drained soil could be flooded.
So can I describe my soil as well drained except when flooded?
Which strange soil descriptions have you seen?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / hog plum - mombin question
« on: March 10, 2018, 07:33:27 PM »
Four or five years ago I got a June plum and Hog plum.  I wanted something that would fruit fast and was not too large.

The hog plum has flowered a couple of times and is tarting again now but has never borne fruit.  Its a nice size, not a single leaf (typical this time of year), and beginning to push those tine red flowers on the bare stem.  What can I do to make it set fruit this year?  If I cant is this a good enough fruit to keep trying or should I lop it off and recover the space?  Yeah, yeah, I know taste is subjective but I still want your opinion if you know this fruit.

The June plum has had three seasons of fruit already and I have tried the fruit.  It has a few fruits still on from last season.  Problem is I am beginning to eye its spot  :-[

Perhaps for an atemoya or mango seedling currently in a pot.  It will have to be a compact grower though, its not a huge spot.

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I was reading an IFAS paper on Atemoya in Florida http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg332.  The authors point out noted
 "Atemoya is not graft compatible with pond apple and therefore the use of an interstock is required"

I am trying Atemoya on pond apple and for now it looks like I have a couple of takes but I know they can still fail.
My question is, do any of you know what interstock works?
The authors used "49-11" which they described as " a 'Gefner' atemoya x A. reticulata hybrid"
Does anyone have scions of this hybrid?  or any tested interstock?

I intend to continue trying different atemoya on pond apple but I am open to try using this two step approach to get there.

I know there is a chart on the forum of graft compatibility and will be searching for it all afternoon :)

By the way, all is not lost.  After last years limited success, I started some cherimoya for root stock and some of my graft this year on 1 year old seedlings of cherimoya.

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Found the table
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16673.0





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Time to water?
« on: March 04, 2018, 02:51:14 PM »
A couple of months ago I was worried the dry season was too wet and things may go sideways with my mangos.
Well, the last months in particular has been dry in my area and though others a mile or so away got two good showers I got no rain.
Grass is beginning to go brown and while my trees are not showing any stress signes, they have flowers and I'd hate to loose them due to water stress.
My question is, is anyone in south Florida experiencing this and are you irrigating?

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I have a pond apple that I grafted a few different atemoya on.  They appear to be taking.
My question is this, should I remove all the non grafted growth to force the energy into my grafts or should I leave things be on branches I did not graft to?
In the long run, I don't intent to keep any of the original tree, just the newly grafted on branches. 
So, do I trim off everything else other than my grafts, or just focus on removing new growth from the branches I grafted on.

The tree is pushing vegetative growth right now.  A lot of fresh new growth everywhere.

In the future, am I better served by cutting the plant back below the first branch and grafting on the new growth?






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Golden or Yellow Dragon Fruit?
« on: January 15, 2018, 07:43:04 PM »
I was at a local international food store a week or so ago and saw these yellow dragon fruit.
Interestingly I had just been looking and just purchased seeds of the "GIANT YELLOW MEGALANTHUS SEEDS FROM PERU XL" -Thanks Dragonfruit101.

Well I had to try one and I liked it.
I picked up a couple more today and thought I should share photos to see if these could be properly identified.
The reciept refered to them as Golden Gragon Fruit.
The label says Ecuador Divine, I don't know if they are from Ecuador or that's just the variety.

Note they are not irradiated so I guess seeds are viable.

Anyone wants some seed I am sure there will be more than enough to share.

I might even eat a couple more just for you  :)

Back to my question, what is this and will it go well in Florida,  The fruit is about 5 inches long and a tad over 3 inches across and weighs 14 ozs.  It looks like it had thorns that have been removed.  Says Ecuador Divine

PS, these two were on the larger size, there were many smaller ones and few this size or larger.



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This is on the lighter side - Happy holidays (whatever you celebrate)

SO is there a grafters anonymous?
I belong there.

The event that made this clear to me happened yesterday.
I had grafted some mango late (last days or October and some took and some did not.
Some of the ones that did not take off turned brown and have been discarded.
A couple remained green and I continue to hold out hope.
One however was green after 3 weeks plus but the root stock it was on was dying.
So I took it off, cut the scion smaller and grafted it onto another branch.

I know its almost December, has no hope of pushing having likely used all the energy in the wood but I couldn't help it.  I had to try Zill's "bark graft" I had read about int he past week or so and couldn't wait till spring.

So I know I need help and since I am sure many on this forum do too I am safe saying

I am Orkine, and I am a grafterholic  :-\ :)

:)
Enjoy this holiday season.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango preparation for next season - fungicide?
« on: November 05, 2017, 10:48:13 AM »
So it has been a particularly wet year in Florida and it has brought with it special challenges.
The one I face now is what I think is anthracnose.  I have these black spots on leaves (and in a few cases twigs or small branches (this years growth).  They are in shaded parts of the tree away from direct sunlight (low in the canopy in most cases.
I have removed much of these by removing the branches they are on and disposing off away from my yard (easy on my small trees).
There are some left on higher branches.  On my large trees, I will have to do a lot of prunning and would like to avoid that excercise if possible.
So my question is this.

Should I do anything now and through the winter to set my trees up for success in spring with regards to anthracnose?
Can I use Bonide (sulphur) or copper now or should I wait until spring?  Is there any benefit to spraying when I do not anticipate any panicles for a while.
Should I remove the branches with disease from my big trees as well (I may need to do major work)
Should I let the low humidity and cold (may be wishful thinking) temperature of winter do its number before I try chemical treatment?

What do you do to prepare your trees for the next season.  Please don't limit your response to just anthracnose control.

Thanks






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Night time temperatures are still high and there is at least a couple more weeks of the rainy season.
Several mangoes are flushing.
Does this mean I can still get one round of grafting done?
I will like to make up for what I lost in Irma and the no name rain event from a week ago that flooded my trees for two days.  My mature trees came out OK but newly grafted seedlings did not.

Also, is budwood available this late into the season?



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / How long can roots be submerged
« on: October 06, 2017, 04:48:38 PM »
I survived Irma with almost all my tree in ok to good shape.  I had 6 inches or so of rain last night in Jupiter and it just wont drain (I am speculating hurricane debris is in the culverts somewhere).

My trees are under water, even mounds that are always above water and did not see any inundation during Irma are under water.
 My question is how long before I loose my trees

Mangos
Avocados
Lychee
Mulberry
Jackfruit
Bananas
Citrus (various)
Hog plums
Guava
Dragon fruit.

At least one or more of the listed plants have water over the root ball.

FOLLOW UP:
Will mature trees fare better than recently started trees or are they more at risk due to deeper and more dense roots under water?
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Hang on tight and stay safe - Texas members
« on: August 26, 2017, 10:36:45 AM »
So I know there is nothing about tropical fruits on my subject but I wanted to let all our Texas based members that our thoughts are with you and hope you fair well through Harvey.


.. hope your trees make it through safely - there stuck something in about plants.

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