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Tropical Fruit Discussion / The weeds love my mulch
« on: April 21, 2018, 08:03:38 AM »
So I started mulching some of my trees late last year.
I still have several bare.  What I have noticed recently is this explosion of weed (or ground cover) on the mulched plants.  On one the density was such you could not see the mulch.  On the others I pick the weed once I see it. 
I took a 3 day trip a couple of weeks ago and when I returned I had to spend a good amount of time freeing my trees from what I see as competition.  Am I missing something?

Should I be removing these weeds?  Does it matter what they are?
If I had all my trees mulched it will be a full time job keeping the weeds off, is there a product to knock them back without harming the roots near the surface.
I am not doing organic and will use chemicals if i have to, but will like to keep the use of chemicals to a minimum.

Should I just bury the weeds under even more mulch?

I need all the information on mulching I can get because I am thinking this is the way to go with the other trees (no trunk damage from edger on my mulched trees  :) ) so please share your experience.

Modified to add pictures:

The weed is on the edge of the mulch, waiting to invade!

On the move

Close up view of a few I pulled.

Complete take over.  I mulched this little tree and didn't keep it up.  The weed has taken over what used to be mulch, mostly soil now.

Trying to get back my territory.  I pulled half of this mulch bed.  You can see the dying weeds on the pulled half.  They have nice white roots, very happy looking roots.  Just on the wrong plants.

I also have this weed which is also pretty aggressive.  It crawls along crowding out just about anything else.

One last fact in case it matters.  I get my mulch from a local nursery for free.  It is wood shavings or chips used for stable bedding.  It slightly aged but you can still see the dried horse business (#2).  Could this be seed source for importing new weeds.

I was gone for a few days and what had been a couple of flowers on one mango tree had become a full fledged late flowering on 3 trees.
I sprayed some sulfur as part of regime to keep powdery mildew at bay.  It rained about an hour later.  fairly heavy shower too and will likely have rain showers in the next day or two.
My question is, should I consider the current application a bust and spray as son as I get a good dry day or should I assume I got some benefit from this application and wait a little?

Also, the trees that flowered dropped a fair amount of fruits a couple the size of golf balls, most about the size of a grape.  Is this normal and what can I do to limit fruit drop.

Happy it rained, it had been bone dry for a while.  I think that may be more to blame for the fruit drop.  I wet the trees twice a week during the driest period, not sure if I let the irrigation run long enough though.

In case it matters, biggest culprit is a Choc-anon, about 12 feet tall.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Garcinia seedling
« on: April 01, 2018, 05:34:26 PM »
Luc's (mexican), Lemon drop mangosteen (Intermedia??)
Or any other you can talk me into.

SO I plant and love mangos.  I am trying atemoya and recently got interested in Garcinia (stuff I read on the forum).
I should be getting some seeds soon curtsy a generous forum member.  I am interested in getting a seedling or two though and Luc's is talked about a lot, also lemon drop.

So does anyone, preferably in Florida have seedlings to sell or trade?

PM me.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking for Licia scion
« on: March 29, 2018, 11:07:54 PM »
Need licia cherimoya budwood

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Where to get best deal on 0-0-50
« on: March 19, 2018, 09:06:26 PM »
I am interested in getting some Sulfate of Potash (Potassium Sulfate) for my mangoes.

I understand I want granular form and will use often but in small quantities.

Any recommendations on where to purchase some to get the best value.

Also, what quantity to buy, Amazon has 5 lb bags, 2 for $26 delivered.  I have a dozen or so mango trees.  Should I get a 50 lb bag or is 10 lb all I need?  Does it keep?

By the way, liking the discussion on the slow release fertilizer thread.  Didn't want to hijack with this question.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / On a lighter note - describing my soil
« on: March 18, 2018, 11:04:07 AM »
So I was watering the other day, its been very dry, and whatever I put on the ground just disappears.
As I watched a thought crossed my mind.
My soil is really well drained except when it is flooded.
I couldn't help but laugh at how strange that came out, well drained and flooded.
The more I thought about it the less absurd it sounded.
A low lying well drained soil could be flooded.
So can I describe my soil as well drained except when flooded?
Which strange soil descriptions have you seen?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / hog plum - mombin question
« on: March 10, 2018, 07:33:27 PM »
Four or five years ago I got a June plum and Hog plum.  I wanted something that would fruit fast and was not too large.

The hog plum has flowered a couple of times and is tarting again now but has never borne fruit.  Its a nice size, not a single leaf (typical this time of year), and beginning to push those tine red flowers on the bare stem.  What can I do to make it set fruit this year?  If I cant is this a good enough fruit to keep trying or should I lop it off and recover the space?  Yeah, yeah, I know taste is subjective but I still want your opinion if you know this fruit.

The June plum has had three seasons of fruit already and I have tried the fruit.  It has a few fruits still on from last season.  Problem is I am beginning to eye its spot  :-[

Perhaps for an atemoya or mango seedling currently in a pot.  It will have to be a compact grower though, its not a huge spot.

I was reading an IFAS paper on Atemoya in Florida  The authors point out noted
 "Atemoya is not graft compatible with pond apple and therefore the use of an interstock is required"

I am trying Atemoya on pond apple and for now it looks like I have a couple of takes but I know they can still fail.
My question is, do any of you know what interstock works?
The authors used "49-11" which they described as " a 'Gefner' atemoya x A. reticulata hybrid"
Does anyone have scions of this hybrid?  or any tested interstock?

I intend to continue trying different atemoya on pond apple but I am open to try using this two step approach to get there.

I know there is a chart on the forum of graft compatibility and will be searching for it all afternoon :)

By the way, all is not lost.  After last years limited success, I started some cherimoya for root stock and some of my graft this year on 1 year old seedlings of cherimoya.

Found the table

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Time to water?
« on: March 04, 2018, 02:51:14 PM »
A couple of months ago I was worried the dry season was too wet and things may go sideways with my mangos.
Well, the last months in particular has been dry in my area and though others a mile or so away got two good showers I got no rain.
Grass is beginning to go brown and while my trees are not showing any stress signes, they have flowers and I'd hate to loose them due to water stress.
My question is, is anyone in south Florida experiencing this and are you irrigating?

I have a pond apple that I grafted a few different atemoya on.  They appear to be taking.
My question is this, should I remove all the non grafted growth to force the energy into my grafts or should I leave things be on branches I did not graft to?
In the long run, I don't intent to keep any of the original tree, just the newly grafted on branches. 
So, do I trim off everything else other than my grafts, or just focus on removing new growth from the branches I grafted on.

The tree is pushing vegetative growth right now.  A lot of fresh new growth everywhere.

In the future, am I better served by cutting the plant back below the first branch and grafting on the new growth?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Golden or Yellow Dragon Fruit?
« on: January 15, 2018, 07:43:04 PM »
I was at a local international food store a week or so ago and saw these yellow dragon fruit.
Interestingly I had just been looking and just purchased seeds of the "GIANT YELLOW MEGALANTHUS SEEDS FROM PERU XL" -Thanks Dragonfruit101.

Well I had to try one and I liked it.
I picked up a couple more today and thought I should share photos to see if these could be properly identified.
The reciept refered to them as Golden Gragon Fruit.
The label says Ecuador Divine, I don't know if they are from Ecuador or that's just the variety.

Note they are not irradiated so I guess seeds are viable.

Anyone wants some seed I am sure there will be more than enough to share.

I might even eat a couple more just for you  :)

Back to my question, what is this and will it go well in Florida,  The fruit is about 5 inches long and a tad over 3 inches across and weighs 14 ozs.  It looks like it had thorns that have been removed.  Says Ecuador Divine

PS, these two were on the larger size, there were many smaller ones and few this size or larger.

This is on the lighter side - Happy holidays (whatever you celebrate)

SO is there a grafters anonymous?
I belong there.

The event that made this clear to me happened yesterday.
I had grafted some mango late (last days or October and some took and some did not.
Some of the ones that did not take off turned brown and have been discarded.
A couple remained green and I continue to hold out hope.
One however was green after 3 weeks plus but the root stock it was on was dying.
So I took it off, cut the scion smaller and grafted it onto another branch.

I know its almost December, has no hope of pushing having likely used all the energy in the wood but I couldn't help it.  I had to try Zill's "bark graft" I had read about int he past week or so and couldn't wait till spring.

So I know I need help and since I am sure many on this forum do too I am safe saying

I am Orkine, and I am a grafterholic  :-\ :)

Enjoy this holiday season.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango preparation for next season - fungicide?
« on: November 05, 2017, 10:48:13 AM »
So it has been a particularly wet year in Florida and it has brought with it special challenges.
The one I face now is what I think is anthracnose.  I have these black spots on leaves (and in a few cases twigs or small branches (this years growth).  They are in shaded parts of the tree away from direct sunlight (low in the canopy in most cases.
I have removed much of these by removing the branches they are on and disposing off away from my yard (easy on my small trees).
There are some left on higher branches.  On my large trees, I will have to do a lot of prunning and would like to avoid that excercise if possible.
So my question is this.

Should I do anything now and through the winter to set my trees up for success in spring with regards to anthracnose?
Can I use Bonide (sulphur) or copper now or should I wait until spring?  Is there any benefit to spraying when I do not anticipate any panicles for a while.
Should I remove the branches with disease from my big trees as well (I may need to do major work)
Should I let the low humidity and cold (may be wishful thinking) temperature of winter do its number before I try chemical treatment?

What do you do to prepare your trees for the next season.  Please don't limit your response to just anthracnose control.


Night time temperatures are still high and there is at least a couple more weeks of the rainy season.
Several mangoes are flushing.
Does this mean I can still get one round of grafting done?
I will like to make up for what I lost in Irma and the no name rain event from a week ago that flooded my trees for two days.  My mature trees came out OK but newly grafted seedlings did not.

Also, is budwood available this late into the season?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / How long can roots be submerged
« on: October 06, 2017, 04:48:38 PM »
I survived Irma with almost all my tree in ok to good shape.  I had 6 inches or so of rain last night in Jupiter and it just wont drain (I am speculating hurricane debris is in the culverts somewhere).

My trees are under water, even mounds that are always above water and did not see any inundation during Irma are under water.
 My question is how long before I loose my trees

Citrus (various)
Hog plums
Dragon fruit.

At least one or more of the listed plants have water over the root ball.

Will mature trees fare better than recently started trees or are they more at risk due to deeper and more dense roots under water?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Hang on tight and stay safe - Texas members
« on: August 26, 2017, 10:36:45 AM »
So I know there is nothing about tropical fruits on my subject but I wanted to let all our Texas based members that our thoughts are with you and hope you fair well through Harvey.

.. hope your trees make it through safely - there stuck something in about plants.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / My first Cherimoya - how was yours
« on: August 09, 2017, 09:07:19 PM »
So inthe last 7 days I had two firsts, a custard apple and a cherimoya.
These were store bought so I cant tell what variety or how well picked.
Here is my assessment:
The sugar apple was a total bust.  Too seedy for my liking.  Also the taste just did not do it for me.  I will stay with mangos any day.
The cherimoya was bought at an oriental/international food store.  I did my best to pick a ripe one that was a little soft.  I don't know if I got it just right but it was a step up over the sugar apple.  Bigger fruit, fewer seeds and a more evolved taste.  Still though, based on just this one, I still am a mango guy.

I will likely never warm to sugar apple but I will give the cherimoya a few more tries.

By the way I have a ton of fresh sugar apple seed for anyone who wants it.  Not for sale, may even pick up the cost of shipping if you are not too far away.  No guarantees they will germinate but for free or cost of shipping, may be worth your while.  Who knows, orkines-folly may be an all time best several years from now  :)

I also have some cherimoya seeds.  Fewer, and I can give some away too.  I will save a few to plant.

Full disclosure:  in the last two or so months, I bought both cherimoya (from ebay - California) and sugar apple (amazon - looks like from China) seeds and planted them.  I will see the sugar apple to fruit and hope to graft on the cherimoya since I understand they don't do (fruit) well in Florida.

SO I know there must have been similar post and I looked didn't find a good match so please indulge me.

Its been a good year and I am pick the last of my mid-season/early mangoes.  A few straggler carries still on the tree.

My attention now shifts to Mallika, one of which started yellowing on the tree before I picked it.  I understand they are best picked green so I am thinking time to pick the rest.  Is this the correct move and is there something I should be looking for to determine best time to pick?

Next is my Beverly.  The raccoons got a few and a few split, they look ripe but the fruits are still firm to the touch.  The shoulders are lifted the fruits have some color but is this too early to pick Beverly?  My Keith is coloring too, I am sure I saw a picture in the last two weeks in a post that looks just like mine with the OP asking when to pick.  I am also wondering when to pick.

I am in Jupiter just north of West Palm Beach.  Will appreciate cues and suggestions

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Input on a decision
« on: July 15, 2017, 08:00:09 PM »
I recently started some cherimoya seeds in the hope of over the next few years growing out and enroute, grafting on some annonas.  Hope to get help from Dom and others who have posted on the forum.  Bottom line the long view.

I walked in to a nursery today and saw what the buy called a cherimoya in a 7 gallon pot for $75.  It had flowers on.
I am thinking this changes everything.  First it shows perhaps I can get fruit on a cherimoya (not just the annona grafted on it)  It also cuts out a couple of years.  It essentially jumpstarts everything.

So here is my question, would you trade a quick route to the endgame for the joy of starting your plants and executing a plan?

Please let me know what you would do.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Jabo sprouting question - need some help
« on: June 25, 2017, 07:26:19 PM »
So I tried to start some jabo seeds (Otto Anderson and Grimal).

I started with fresh nice seeds that said, plant me, plant me.  I planted in a rich mix and kept moist and in humid conditions by covering the pot with some clear plastic and set by a south facing window.  Then I waited and watched.

Its been one month and I don't see what I was expecting.  A little green sprout pushing.  Note "green", it will become relevant later.

I see nothing in the one pot and some roots coming out the bottom of the pot in the other.

The pot with the roots has this supper thin plants emerging - see image below.
They are not green, they are super thin, some shade of brown to maroon, I think they may be something in my soil mix but am hoping one of you will say, "of course, %$#@ head, that is an Otto sprouting!"

I am gearing up to have a second go at starting these and want some advice from experienced folks on the forum.  What is my best strategy to germinate and grow jabo seeds?  What starting mixes, when does it go in the soil, etc. etc.  I will read every post and will consider all suggestions (and them do the simplest :) )

Encouragement wont be scoffed at either and by the way, share a photo of yours if you have any of jabo sprouts.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Cherimoya seeds floating
« on: June 17, 2017, 09:34:43 PM »
So I got some cherimoya (Annona cherimola) seeds (not from the forum) with the intent of planting them today.  I read online that to get things going, soak in water for 6 hours and those that are floating are bad, those that sank are good.
All my seeds, every last one is floating 3 hours in.  Should I be concerned?

I want these for rootstock, but was curious, is this a desirable fruit by itself?

So I stumbled on a post today that has me all excited.
I have a couple of pond apples and lots of seeds but nothing to do with them.
Then I leaned there are edible fruit, great ones at that that can be grafted on to pond apple and the old grey cells started buzzing.

I will like to try to graft on to either seedling or mature pond apple and need scion or bud wood of anything that can be grafted on pond apple with some likelihood of success.

Obviously I will prefer free if possible but am willing to pay for this experiment, the excitement of considering the possibility of increasing fruit trees in my yard is worth something to me.

By the way, if you would be devastated to see a good scion not become a plant, hold on to it.  I am not expert at grafting but I am working at it.  Success with mango and avocado so far.  Would like to add something else to my list. :) :)

I have a Lancentilla tree that hag grown very well.  It has flowered in the last few years and held fruit but not to ripeness on the tree.
It started gang busters this year, two flushes each setting fruit but has dropped most.  A good many in the last day with some high winds.

My question is this.
Is this fruit any good? 
The size is impressive and the few I have tried were very tart, I believe more to do with me not knowing when to pick and how to ripen.  I am however trainable and can learn but curious what you all think about this particular variety.  I got it for the novelty, but you cant eat novelty :)
I am considering getting rid of it so I can put another tree in its place but I don't want to bail early on this tree.

So, I'd like you thoughts and suggestions.

See Picture of Fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Losing mangos by the bushel
« on: May 24, 2017, 04:49:22 PM »
I just got home and saw easily one hundred or more mangos under my trees.  Some small, others more mature and some likely ready to pick.
I didn't have to wait long.  A gust of wind and another dropped.

Anyone else having this problem.  It has been super winder here in South Florida today and its raining mangos.  It had not rained in a while, not sure if this makes things worse.

What looked like a good year is going bust, so sad.

Share your experience and if you have suggested actions for the future do share.  Not for this crop but perhaps for a future crop.

I am thinking about adding a couple of trees and the Soursop and Sugar apple came up.
Does anyone in the West Palm Beach / Jupiter area have any experience with these trees?
Is there a preferred variety?


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