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Oro Negro is nothing like Blazos Bell or any of the so called cold hardy varieties from Arizona/Texas. Is a very fine piece of fruit. Creamy, taste like an A + Catalina, close to a Nishikawa

I think in your blog you were talking about top working your Oro negros with something else. Did you end up keeping the ONs? I know Irma set the grove back last year but I was wondering specifically how these were doing. I put an ON in the ground this year and I'm quite excited.

Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad I didn't go with any of the 'texas cados' I ended up going with the oro negro which I hope to be hardy enough for my area. I expect I will keep it covered at least for the first couple of years but I understand it can take upper 20s without any major issues.I figured I'd rather deal with a hard freeze knocking my cado back to the trunk than deal with crappy fruit.

8 months post initial posting I can confirm that the trees grafted on Mexicola are a lot smaller that any other trees I grafted on WI root stock.

What scion did you graft and how is it doing now almost 4-5 yrs later?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Oro Negro Vigor and cold hardiness
« on: January 22, 2018, 09:22:34 PM »
I will have to keep my pruning shears sharp... I went with the Oro Negro and I hope to keep it somewhat tame. I just couldn't get over how delicious the fruit looked.... Just looked like a x-large hass.

I think she comes in the mail tomorrow so I'm pretty excited.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Oro Negro Vigor and cold hardiness
« on: January 12, 2018, 10:50:56 AM »
wow shes a beast. How do you pick the fruit?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Oro Negro Vigor and cold hardiness
« on: January 11, 2018, 02:49:41 PM »
How big is your brogdon? It's been my first choice especially since it was 'born' in our backyard (winter haven is about 30-45 mins south of here both both of us) but I'm wondering if I can keep it from turning into a monster. Picture would be great even. So you are very happy with the fruit it sounds like? Also I keep reading that B types seem to be self fruitful in our area assuming they flower in our 'winter' time.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Oro Negro Vigor and cold hardiness
« on: January 10, 2018, 09:28:51 PM »
Youre about a stone's throw away from me in winter garden. So you are not a huge fan of the Brogdon? A day has been suggested and I do worry about tree size. Wurtz  I have thought about but I worry about the mid 20s we get from time to time here.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Oro Negro Vigor and cold hardiness
« on: January 10, 2018, 04:38:34 PM »
Thank you. She does look pretty healthy nice work so far.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Oro Negro Vigor and cold hardiness
« on: January 10, 2018, 01:34:58 PM »
I have yet to find anything bad about this variety. I posted previously about the Texas-cado varieties but the consensus seems to be that they are highly over-rated. Living in Central FL we can get a good blast of upper 20s every winter with mid-20s typically likely on a yearly basis. low 20s I would say is a once in a decade occurrence. I have read ON might be able to take down to 17 degrees. I imagine at that temp it would freeze to the ground but atleast you would probably be able to get fruit after an entire year of recovering post freeze (for a well established tree of course)

So what is the experience with cold tolerance here on the board. As a likely Monroe x Mexican variety I would suspect it would be 22 degrees (as a monroe) at the very least.

Monroe seems to be a very vigorous tree whereas mexican varieties seem to be a bit more weeping. Is the ON something I could keep around 10-12 feet tall with yearly pruning? (or even 2-3 times a year) I know some very vigorous cados you can cut back to 8 ft and they will send a shoot to 20 ft in the course of a few months. Is this something the ON will do? I imagine most FL cados exibit this behavior.

I did a search for ON and didnt see much on these two particular questions. I have yet to try an ON but it sure looks delicious. FL (WI) size with M creaminess color.

I've tried WI store bought and I am not very happy with them. I find hass to be pretty good so somewhere in between would likely fit my needs. I just can't afford to have a 30 ft high tree in my backyard that I can't keep under control.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: new avos
« on: January 09, 2018, 06:02:30 PM »
3+ years later... How is the mexicola? I am looking for a 'dwarf' size myself and I hear this one can be kept 'small' at least by avocado standards to 10-15 feet or so. Also I am able to find data of mexicola in S FL from Carlos so I'm wondering how N FL fairs. I'm in Central FL so I should not have to worry too much about a freeze out unless we catch record temps. You've had some cold blast this year for sure how did the cados all do?

Thanks for the feedback. The brogan keeps catching my eye as it was 'born in winter haven which is maybe 30 miles south of me or so. Pretty sure it's a Mexican hybrid  and WI. Lots of good feedback. It was also one of nature's accidents as I understand where it was a seed grown on it's own in the area and survived our weather here for decades.

My only issue is I hear it's quite a monster. I wonder if it gets tall over time and can be kept short or if it's vigorous.

Pretty sure I’ve trialed all those Texas avocados in Palm Beach county and they’ve been a total disaster. Probably won’t perform any better in central Florida.

Mixed reports that the Mexicola (not grande) is semi-dwarf or not quite as vigorous anyway. The grande I believe is a vigorous tree and I suspect crossed with a Guatemala variety to get the extra fruit size. I suspect these 3 have best 'tested' at temps around 15 degrees which not to say the Mexicola hasn't either. Looks like that one is good to low 20s I read a report that it will die back at low 20s and trunk dies at ~17-18 degrees. I believe the record low here is 18 degs which was during the 'freeze of the century' I mean if a once every 100 yr event kills the tree it is what it is but I would like something that could stay alive after low 20s for the once every 5 yr freeze we get and something that can brush off mid to upper 20s and still flower the next year. Mexicola looks to be a bit more 'mainstream' anyone can chime in on this one?

I see you are in USDA zone 10b so you have more options.. I wonder how some of the hawaiian varieties do in your area... We tend to get a good handful of frosts each year here so that limits my options. I haven't seen a frost in probably 3-4 years but that is extremely rare.

I also see a Joey which is a B type and I wonder if it is a dwarf. I see Carlos's review which is negative due to size but I don't see any reviews on taste. I know beggers can't be choosers I would be ok with a smaller fruit so long as it tastes good.

Many google searches continue to point me here to this forum to older threads. I see a few members have planted these varieties a few years ago and I'm thinking at this point many of these trees have produced fruit by now. I am leaning towards a Lila (Opal?) due to reports that they are 10-15ft tall and seem like they can be managed at a reasonable height. Do most of these varieties have a dwarfing tendency? I worry that the so called TX varieties won't do well here because we have drastically different summers (very humid) and this seems to also be the time these tend to fruit.

I see Carlos ( hasn't had much luck with these in South Florida, but north and inland we do get a bit more of a break in the summer time at night from the humidity. I did see he appeared to have a bit of luck with the Joey... very small fruit, however it did not appear to be damaged in any way. The biggest complaint I see from these mexican cold hardy varieties is small fruit. If I can find a tree that I can keep at a reasonable height that survives our once every so often cold blasts here I would be happy. Obviously the taste is a big factor as well.

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