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Tropical Fruit Discussion / 2016 Eugenia collection Flying Fox Fruits
« on: March 29, 2016, 07:00:25 PM »
Spring is in the air, the Eugenias are blooming nicely

Now blooming (or soon to be blooming)
E. involucrata
E. pyriformis
E. reinwardtiana
E. mattosii
E. itaguahiensis
E. brasiliensis
E. pitanga
E. uniflora
E. ligustrina
E. calycina
E. candolleana
E. selloi
E. luschnathiana
E. florida
(i think that's all? but maybe I'm forgetting one?  :-\ )

here are some pics!

first flowers E. brasiliensis seedling in ground

E. pitanga in ground, one of 4 flowering for the 2nd year...fruited last year...very tolerant of heat and poor soil

E. itaguahiensis (one of 5, in 10-15 gal pots, flowering for 2nd year, very tolerant of heat, delicious fruit just like Grumixama, but a smaller plant)

E. calycina (one of 7 seedlings, in 10-15 gal pots, approx 3yr old, from Miguel in Portugal, I believe they are all flowering for the first time this year, the flowers smell amazing, like clean laundry)

will try to post more pics of other Eugenias as they set fruit...really hoping for a decent crop on the E. pyriformis (sweet type), and E. involucrata (grafted Ben's Beaut, large fruited type)

I've always wondered if using citrus juice (mixed with your irrigation water) would act as a natural chelating agent?

maybe it would help combat poor soil pH? or poor water quality (like city water)?

also wondering about other things, maybe Oxalic acid from Carambola?  there seems to be an abundance of fallen fruit that goes to waste, maybe it can help plants that are struggling with pH issues (of being in neutral or alkaline environments, when they need acid).

also, what other items might help? 

EDIT: noticed an old thread where I touched on this subject before.

calling all members of the TFF!

please cast your vote for the best essay!

below is a link to the original thread, with a description of the contest

looks like it's a head to head battle between Ashok and BelleIslesSteve!

I will close the poll (or count the votes) in approx 72hrs from the time of this post.

Thanks for participating!!

O.K., I'll de-lurk. (Just under the contest-deadline wire ... but, I suspect, if there is but one contestant, the deadline may need to be extended, which would be fine.)

Like Svennagel, I've been fascinated by plants since I was a small child. I wonder whether most members of this community share that history! (If my mother really feels like embarrassing me, she can start reminiscing about how I knew the names of all the flowers by the time I was eight ... I guess it could be worse.)

I live in an area where we can get some significant freezes, so, to be honest, I think it is safer to keep the "backbone" of the garden in temperate deciduous fruits and relatively hardy subtropicals (citrus, feijoa, white sapote, etc.). Also, I hate to lose plants during cold-snaps ... it makes me feel so guilty. (Of plant-abuse, that is ... good thing there are no vegetable prosecutors, or I might be in San Quentin right now...)

However, my interest in attempting marginal tropicals/subtropicals has been re-kindled recently, partially under the influence of two HARDCORE local fellow enthusiasts, both of whom sometimes post here. (Both of whom have also shared many nice plants with me.)

The development in tropical fruit that I am observing with most interest: Tim Thompson's mangoes! Yes, I know what the "regulars" here think about his project, and I have my own doubts, but it would be nice to see the skeptics surprised. (I like to grow things for my dad. He is from India. Can you guess what his favorite fruit might be? You get only one guess, but that should be enough.)

Why I would be a good candidate: Because ... uh ... I have tiger blood? No, scratch that, that's already dated, like talking about The Macarena. O.K., the real reason is because I would, in due course, share scionwood, etc., with friends in Bay Area rare fruit circles.

(If I have exceeded the word-limit, I throw myself upon the mercy of the court.)

Hello, my name is Steve and I have been enjoying this forum for about a year as a guest lurker so I appreciate Adam’s generous offer as incentive for those like me to join. I live in East Orlando on Lake Conway in a great little city called Belle Isle. Due to the chain of lakes that surround my location we enjoy a margin of higher temperatures during cold spells. I have lived in Florida for about fifty years and my family has almost always had fruit trees, mostly citrus. I was exposed to gardening from my mother and grandparents and I developed an interest in growing plants in my teens. Throughout my life I have dabbled in gardening based on time allowances provided by career and living location. I also have always enjoyed tropical locations such as the Florida Keys due to their lush tropical plants and have a bunch of plumerias in my yard. I also have an interest in eating healthy and the benefits provided by certain fruits. About seven years ago I bought an avocado tree, planted it and last year enjoyed my my first crop. I came across this forum from the link on Carlos’s MyAvocadoTree website as I researched various avocado varieties in an interest to graft and grow more avocado trees. The forum has expanded my interest to mango trees and additional tropical fruits. I have recently successfully grafted about five avocado seedlings from budwood from my tree and neighbors trees based on information from this forum and Carlos’s website/videos. Today to celebrate the first day of Spring, I coached my nine year old daughter on doing her own avocado graft as I try to instill in her an interest in gardening and healthy eating.

I feel I am a good candidate for this contest due to owning a home/yard that is well suited for tropical fruits and my passion towards expanding my tropical fruit knowledge, growing abilities and fruit diversity.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / CONTEST:For brand new members only
« on: March 17, 2016, 08:37:22 PM »

We are going to have another contest  ;D

This one is a bit different than the other one I'm having, being that I'm only allowing brand new members who register after the time of this posting (you can also be an existing member who has never posted).

The intent of this exercise is to draw lurkers out of the shadows, and into the light of the tropical fruit discussion.  I'd also like to encourage new members to join, who peruse the forum as a guest, without a registered account.

the rules are simple,

1) you will be required to post a 80-200 word essay, about the origins of your interest in tropical fruit, and why you are a good candidate to receive $25 store credit at my nursery,    (aka,

2) you will not be judged on proper grammar, or spelling, but please try your best to make the essay legible, and lucid.  If English is not your first language, don't worry.  Please try to express yourself to the best of your ability, we will understand if you make mistakes.

3) you will be judged by all of the existing members, who will vote, via the forum's polling system.  I will post a poll, with each contestant's name as a votable item.

4) you must post your essay on this thread, and all submissions must be made on or before, Sunday, March 20th, 11:59 EST.

the winner gets $25 store credit for my online nursery.

Good luck!  I hope we get lots of good entries!


we are going to see who can properly identify the most plants.  I will post several pictures of plants that are in my collection, the person who properly identifies the most plants will win $50 credit at my nursery...there can only be one winner.  In case of a tie, we must have a tie breaker, until there is one winner.


-you must be a member of the forum with at least 20 posts, which were made previous to this thread, (so if you just joined the forum, or if you are an existing member, but haven't been participating in the discussion, you can't enter the contest).

-You must properly identify the plants with their botanical name (in certain cases, antiquated synonyms are accepted; for instance, Rollinia deliciosa, Rollinia mucosa, and Annona mucosa, are all acceptable answers for a picture of a Biriba tree).

-You must post on this thread to register for the contest, and registration ends March 19, 11:59pm EST, after this time, no further contestants will be accepted.

-the pictures will be posted shortly after registration is over.  The contestants will have approximately 2-4 days to identify the plants...I still need to decide how long I'm going to let you study the pictures, before I demand your answers.... ;D

-you will be required to send me a PM with your answers, and I will designate a deadline for you to submit your answers, shortly after I post the pictures for you to identify.

Good luck to all who participate, and thanks for taking part in the tropical fruit discussion.

May the most obsessed tropical fruit grower win!






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Saba senegalensis
« on: February 25, 2016, 12:19:38 AM »
was on periscope messaging a fellow from Senegal...i asked him his favorite fruit...he said, "Madd".

has anyone tasted or grown this one?

i looked it up, and it seems interesting.

he also mentioned one called Oulue, or something like this, but i couldn't find any info, he said it makes your mouth all yellow if you eat it...but it's good.

I'm excited to announce, the "How to Graft Annonas" video is ready.

The video shows how to graft the "Dream" (atemoya, cherimoya, whatever...i just call it an Annona  ::) :D, and the "Genova Red illama".

The techniques in this video can be applied to many species of Annona.

Just had a small red jaboticaba seedling that was returned to me by USPS's still alive after 70 days in the mail!

The only damage was leaf loss...all the branches are still green

I'm going to plant it tomorrow..this tree deserves some TLC.

Here in central FL zone 9a....starting to graft Annonas before spring.

if i didn't have a greenhouse, I'd be hesitant to do it...but for small seedlings, you can just bring them inside your house for a freeze.

as long as night time temps are above 38F consistently, and no harsh cold wind or frost comes...I think you can get away with starting your Annona grafts a good 30-50 days before peak season.  (which in my area, is probably late March to Mid April.

I will post more updates and pics in this thread as the 2016 Annona grafting season progresses.
Unfortunately the production of grafted Annonas for my nursery, will be extremely limited this year.

but for those who are grafting, I'm starting to offer some scions now.

will have:
A. squamosa
Na Dai
Big Red (limited)
Kampong Mauve
Giant Mex (limited)

A. reticulata
Vinho tinto (limted)
Kimber Red

A. squamosa x cherimola (atemoya)
dream (limited)
mr minh (limited)
Phet patch chong (or however you spell it.. :-[) Limited

A. diversifolia (Genova Red Illama) LIMITED

A. salzmannii (limited, expensive, must have proper rootstock, A. muricata, A. glabra, A. montana are recommended)
A. cornifolia
A. spragueii (very limited), not sure of what rootstock to recommend! :-[
A. mucosa (formerly Rollinia deliciosa) "Monstrinho" LIMITED (I recommend grafting onto rollinia rootstock!)

There should be other varieties that I can get...If any become available, I will post an update on this thread.

Good luck grafting!  :)


I will be testing out this periscope app for my phone

who wants to go on a live tour at night of the nursery?  I'm trying to see if I can do this once in a while....

the quality of the footage may suck, but it's worth a try.

let me know who's on board, the bus leaves in about 30-45 min...maybe longer..

not sure how it works, but my username on periscope is same as the forum, FlyingFoxFruits

I will try to post a link before the tour starts.

technology is cool  :P

Just noticed that my two grafted annona salzmannii trees are handling the cold weather differently

One is grafted onto annona glabra , the other is on annona montana

The tree grafted onto glabra is suffering from the cold, all the leaves are drooping, after it was exposed to only 39F

But thr tree grafted onto Montana is unfazed by the temp drop...and they were sitting side by side in the greenhouse.

I'm wondering if this is becasue annona salzmannii is an evergreen species, and the deciduous glabra rootstock is trying to shut down?  Thus interfering with sap flow and tree vigor, during a cold snap?

I was thinking the Montana, which is evergreen, is a better choice as a rootstock, especially if you're exposed to cold weather...maybe it keeps the tree from getting confused? And shutting down?

now the fruits are  in season!  I only have about 2 left on my trees, and need more...does anyone have seminole pumpkin fruit they will sell or trade here in Central FL near Orlando?

not interested in seeds or plants


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Possible Frost/Freeze Central FL
« on: January 11, 2016, 06:07:44 PM »
here comes old man winter, a little late, but ready to bring the chill.

I'm in a cold pocket, so my thermometers were already reading 40F in the coldest parts of the yard...

I'm just going to run the water during the coldest part of the morning...I guess from about 5-7?

I just did a test run to see how much the temp raised in the greenhouse, and it was awesome...lots of steam everywhere, and lots of water standing on the ground to evaporate. 

If it goes to 32F outside, it should be about 45F or more inside...the well water really heats things up, especially during a mild cold weather event.

Outside I'm going to run the water on my red jabo grove, just to get some practice for when a serious freeze comes.

Will post an update tomorrow.

good luck if you are in a cold area!

I didn't see a thread dedicated to this exciting new introduction into the USA

Apparently this variety is quite precocious when compared to most varieties of coronata, that can take 15yrs...the Restinga variety fruits in about 5-7yr (sometimes even earlier I assume)

I wonder who is going to be the first to fruit this one in the USA? (Or at least on the forum?  Who will have flowers or fruit first?)

I have some trees about 3-4ft tall, but they're still a good 1-3 yr away I'm assuming...

Will post pics soon...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / does this Plinia bark look blue to you?
« on: January 08, 2016, 06:21:03 PM »
I haven't come across too many trees that have what I would consider a blueish colored bark...

what do you think about this Plinia?

The latest book from Harri Lorenzi, Marco Lacerda, and Luis Bacher, has arrived!  I believe it's been out for a little while now, but I got a copy today.

Such a beautiful book, inside and out.

I'm so excited to read this book.  The new information presented about Plinia/Myrciaria is astounding.  There are so many new species, descriptions and photographs.  There are also some changes to the taxonomy, many of the species formerly designated as Myrciaria, are now called Plinia (yet there are several species that retain label as Myrciaria).

It will take me a while to digest the info, especially because the book has yet to be translated.  What a great opportunity for me to learn a little more Portuguese!  I believe the book will be available in English (at least as an e-book) soon.

A must have for all serious jabuticaba (Brazilian fruit) collectors, this is the most recent and comprehensive book about this subject.

here is a video I found, that someone made about the book in Brazil, just to show what it looks like.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Help ID possible Annona anyone recognize?
« on: January 05, 2016, 12:09:11 AM »
wait a second...the plants I thought were willughbeia, seem to be Annonaceous...the leaves are alternate, instead of opposite (like Apocynaceae should be)

lol, I'm excited to figure out what the heck these are....maybe some sort of Duguetia?  I remember planting those at the same time.


Trying to get a better understanding of how this works...

here is just one of many links that can be found through a google search...

apparently there is heat released as the water freezes, and as long as the plants ice over, and the water is constantly running overhead during the freeze, the plants will be insulated from temps below 32F....there are reports of this type of method working for freezes as low as 17-20F.

a few drawbacks I've noticed so far...the ice can accumulate into heavy masses (icicles) that weigh the branches down, and break large limbs...also, if you have winds over 5mph, this method is not very effective...I believe this is due to the loss of heat, which is caused by the water evaporating faster than it's capable of being frozen.

after doing some research, I feel compelled to eventually build some sort of primitive greenhouse, where I can at least enclose the plants and run a propane heater.  It's uncommon, but possible, that we could have a devastatingly freezing and windy night.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Moldy Seeds, not always a bad thing
« on: January 03, 2016, 03:10:17 PM »
just wanted to touch on the fact that moldy seeds aren't always a bad thing...

I suppose it depends on the type of seed, and the type of mold, but i have planted lots of moldy seeds that readily germinate.

I see so many people freaking out about some mold on their seeds, I figured I'd start a thread about it.

the molds I'm talking about (may possibly be fungus too?) are usually black, or teal in coloration...they cover the seed coat but do not penetrate to the embryo.  I wouldn't be surprised if they facilitate the germination process.  Think of all the mold, bacteria and fungus that exists in nature.

Upon entering my greenhouse the other day, i caught a whiff of what I assumed were flowers (maybe a mixture of miracle fruit, jaboticaba, and meiogyne flowers??). The fragrance was delicious!  Reminded me of clean laundry, or maybe a fragrant orchid (rhynchostylis?)

It took me a while to locate the source of the fragrance, but I  was shocked when I realized it was my dwarf cashew!  And it was just the foliage!

The plant only makes the fragrance during the day, but it's really strong!  And pleasant!

Has anyone else noticed their cashew has a delicious odor? Just the leaves? During the day?

Or any other fruit trees  with leaves you love to smell ?

had a bumper crop this year, planted thousands of seeds, sold hundreds, and still have hundreds left.

this will be the last of the seeds until next spring.

right now I'm offering them at a discount, the usual cost is $3 per seed, but I can sell them for cheaper, depending on how many you purchase.

if you are interested in seeds, just send me a message with the quantity you want, and I will give you the best price possible.

thanks much,

here are some of the larger fruits I've harvested

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Myrciaria jaboticaba var. Caipirinha
« on: December 08, 2015, 05:19:07 PM »
Myrciaria jaboticaba var. Caipirinha:

supposedly much like Sabara it's close relative, but this variety is dwarfish, with smaller leaves, and smaller (but even sweeter) fruits.

Here is one of my larger trees, I suppose almost 3yrs old at this point.

check out the growth habit


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