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Fresh seeds of Kasturi available now...
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Durio kutejensis sold out all... Will ready very soon.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / CRFG cache
« Last post by CA Hockey on Today at 12:39:24 AM »
I've been to 3 of the scion wood exchanges this year and made out like a bandit  ;D

I got my hands on the following:

Apricot   Cultivar
   Luizet
   Goldbeck's Perfection
   Tropical Gold
   Tardif de Bordaniel
   Golden Amber
   Gold Kist
   Shiro Kaga
   
Peach   
   JB 47 White Peach (locally named cultivar after Jim Bathgate)
   
Nectarine   
   Sauzee
   Flavor Top
   Panamint
Plum   
   Green Gage
   
Pluot   
   Flavor Treat
   
Cherry   
   Lapins
   
Avocado   
   Queen
   Nabal
   Daily 11
   Yamagata
   Edranol
   Nimlioh
   Ardith
   Linda
   Choquette
   Nowels

Cherimoya
        Booth


Mulberry
         White lavender fat
          Persian

Fig
         Conadria
         Fig 9336



The San Diego meeting is next. Anyone grab anything interesting? I hadn't heard of Flavor Treat or Flavor Top, but apparently they are mainly commercial varieties and not really widely released to the public. Daily 11 is a very large avocado but I heard taste is average. I hear a lot about choquette avocados from Florida and was told it is a typical West Indian variety (not my favorite profile) but willing to try it out. I don't know anything about Linda avocado.

K
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Really appreciate your due diligence here

This post needed to permanent post for sometime on this forum , to maker sure that rest of forum read it 

Hopefully from now on, no one will be deceived by him

I filled a complained on PayPal , will let you know of any outcome

Yes there should be a separate post and one in the buy/sell section as well. I’ll discuss with Murahilin about how best to handle it since the eBay fraud discussion is clearly distinct from the general Himsagar issue and Sonpari question.

As far as the research, it’s no problem. After all We got scammed too.

And I’d like to say that Gary Zill and the folks at Zill HP Plants showed great integrity in assisting at coming to the bottom of this. They could have done nothing in the interest of continuing to sell trees to this guy, but were honest and upfront and actually pretty outraged that anyone would do this. We’re really blessed to have them in this industry.
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Great detective work Squam. We bought anwar and chausan from this person last year and the unique T bud grafts caught my attention. I told my friend whoever grafted these trees must have worked for Zill. I was assure this guy was legit. According to your research I have a Julie and Alfonso or a  Himsagar which I have no interest in growing.
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Does police get involve with this type of fraud?  He should be locked up in jail for deceiving people and stealing money from them.  Those trees are not cheap!!!

So here’s the recap:

Last month I was told someone was selling grafted trees of several rare Indian and Pakistani mangos on eBay . Upon looking I found a seller named “GuavaKing” listing grafted trees of Langra, Anwar Ratol, Chausa, and Banganpalli. These varieties are not grafted by ANY of the major mango-producing nurseries in the United States, making them fairly highly sought after.

I inquired to the seller asking him where he obtained these varieties, but didn’t get a response. My friend Jack (DuncanYoung) did get a response from the seller who claimed to have the trees in his yard, and ordered several.

He received the trees in the mail and I was immediately suspicious about 2 things: the Banganapalli, a variety I’ve had exposure to and whose foliage I was very familiar with, was not a Banganpalli. DuncanYoung requested a photo of the man’s Banganapalli. He provided a photo of a small tree that clearly was not Banganpalli based on the foliage. Banganpalli produces long, flat , pointed leaves and has extremely thin stems. The tree in the photo had short, stout curled or wavy leaves, and regular thick stems.

The second red flag was that the trees (in 1 gallon pots) were not the cleft or veneer grafts you would see from an amateur, but “T” buds that only 2 nurseries in Florida know how to do with mango. And only one of those wholesells them as 1 gallons: Zill High Performance Plants.

I then observed that one of the small trees Labelled “Anwar Ratal” appeared to be a Julie mango. Julie has distinctive leaves, and tends to flower as a 1 gallon size tree. Coincidentally, this tree was also flowering and had inflorescence resembling Julie too.

Later while stepping these 1 gallon trees up to 3 gallon, a small yellow tag dropped out of one of the pots of the “Langra” tree: the tag, pictured in the thread, reads “NDM #4” (Nam Doc Mai #4). The foliage on this tree appeared to be that of NDM, and the sap smell was identical too. I immediately recognized this as a small tag used by Zill High Performance Plants to label their young grafted trees. I knew then the guy was obtaining the trees from Zill, and selling them under different names, knowing full well he could get high prices for 1 gallon trees under these false names.



DuncanYoung then emailed GuavaKing asking about the tag. He responded claiming no knowledge of it and claimed that he was obtaining his pots from a local garden center. I can supply email proof of this. He evidently also fed this lie to other buyers.

Forum member Scott then informed me last week that he had purchased 12 trees from GuavaKing. He also knew his real name: Babar Majeed. This was different than the name that he had shipped the trees under: Adila Afzal, but both names were associated with the same companies.

As final confirmation of this fraud, I went into Zill and was able to ascertain that this man had indeed purchased in 2017 50 Alphonso, 50 Nam Doc Mai, 50 Julie, and 50 Himsagar, all as 1 gallon trees. I suspect he also purchased trees in 2016 under a different name, but did not search for additional invoices. It was implied he may have purchased Lancetilla as well.

This person is a disgusting scam artist, a thief and a liar. What he is doing is completely illegal, and he should be exposed for it.
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Really appreciate your due diligence here

This post needed to permanent post for sometime on this forum , to maker sure that rest of forum read it 

Hopefully from now on, no one will be deceived by him

I filled a complained on PayPal , will let you know of any outcome
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So here’s the recap:

Last month I was told someone was selling grafted trees of several rare Indian and Pakistani mangos on eBay . Upon looking I found a seller named “GuavaKing” listing grafted trees of Langra, Anwar Ratol, Chausa, and Banganpalli. These varieties are not grafted by ANY of the major mango-producing nurseries in the United States, making them fairly highly sought after.

I inquired to the seller asking him where he obtained these varieties, but didn’t get a response. My friend Jack (DuncanYoung) did get a response from the seller who claimed to have the trees in his yard, and ordered several.

He received the trees in the mail and I was immediately suspicious about 2 things: the Banganapalli, a variety I’ve had exposure to and whose foliage I was very familiar with, was not a Banganpalli. DuncanYoung requested a photo of the man’s Banganapalli. He provided a photo of a small tree that clearly was not Banganpalli based on the foliage. Banganpalli produces long, flat , pointed leaves and has extremely thin stems. The tree in the photo had short, stout curled or wavy leaves, and regular thick stems.

The second red flag was that the trees (in 1 gallon pots) were not the cleft or veneer grafts you would see from an amateur, but “T” buds that only 2 nurseries in Florida know how to do with mango. And only one of those wholesells them as 1 gallons: Zill High Performance Plants.

I then observed that one of the small trees Labelled “Anwar Ratal” appeared to be a Julie mango. Julie has distinctive leaves, and tends to flower as a 1 gallon size tree. Coincidentally, this tree was also flowering and had inflorescence resembling Julie too.

Later while stepping these 1 gallon trees up to 3 gallon, a small yellow tag dropped out of one of the pots of the “Langra” tree: the tag, pictured in the thread, reads “NDM #4” (Nam Doc Mai #4). The foliage on this tree appeared to be that of NDM, and the sap smell was identical too. I immediately recognized this as a small tag used by Zill High Performance Plants to label their young grafted trees. I knew then the guy was obtaining the trees from Zill, and selling them under different names, knowing full well he could get high prices for 1 gallon trees under these false names.



DuncanYoung then emailed GuavaKing asking about the tag. He responded claiming no knowledge of it and claimed that he was obtaining his pots from a local garden center. I can supply email proof of this. He evidently also fed this lie to other buyers.

Forum member Scott then informed me last week that he had purchased 12 trees from GuavaKing. He also knew his real name. This was different than the name that he had shipped the trees under: Adila Afzal, but both names were associated with the same companies.

As final confirmation of this fraud, I went into Zill and was able to ascertain that this man had indeed purchased in 2017 50 Alphonso, 50 Nam Doc Mai, 50 Julie, and 50 Himsagar, all as 1 gallon trees. I suspect he also purchased trees in 2016 under a different name, but did not search for additional invoices. It was implied he may have purchased Lancetilla as well.

This person is a disgusting scam artist, a thief and a liar. What he is doing is completely illegal, and he should be exposed for it.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Meprobamato plant. Scientific name please!
« Last post by Tropical Farmer on January 22, 2018, 11:30:02 PM »
The picture looks like what we call Cuban oregano. There is also another variety that the edge of the leaf is white.

See the below link which has an article you can check to see if it is the same thing.

https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/herbs/cuban-oregano/growing-cuban-oregano.htm
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shipping mango tree
« Last post by DuncanYoung on January 22, 2018, 10:52:18 PM »
Really depends on the size of the tree.  A one gallon would go in a U-Line cardboard box 6x6x48" and shipped USPS Priority Mail.  A large tree i.e., 250 gallons, would need to call R&L Carriesrs and ask them freight prices.
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