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What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« on: January 05, 2018, 11:34:26 PM »
There must surely be rare varieties of avocado with superior flavor to the ubiquitous haas.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2018, 12:30:06 AM »
There must surely be rare varieties of avocado with superior flavor to the ubiquitous haas.

There are probably several recommendations... but a properly tree ripened Hass Avocado tastes very good IMO.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2018, 12:33:19 AM »
There must surely be rare varieties of avocado with superior flavor to the ubiquitous haas.

There are probably several recommendations... but a properly tree ripened Hass Avocado tastes very good IMO.

I agree they are very delicious! I'm just curious if there a some little-known, yet superior varieties.

It seems to be the case with mangos, with all these crazy delicious varieties. Why not avocados as well?

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2018, 02:22:03 AM »
Reed
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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2018, 03:19:00 AM »
I haven't tried every variety as there are probably hundreds or thousands, but as far as cultivated varieties, the best kind I have had so far was probably Kahaluu.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2018, 03:58:26 AM »
Hawaii best: Kahaluu, Yamagata, Malama. But i think i need to do a side by side taste test to really figure out my favorites and rate them. There are so many great avocado varieties here!
California best: Reed, Pinkerton, Bacon. Had a tree in San Diego i believed to be Bacon variety, and it was really outstanding as well as very prolific producer.
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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2018, 04:10:51 AM »
Reed, Shepard, Sharwil and Hazzard are my favourites and maybe Shepard tastes a little more buttery and rich than the others.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2018, 04:25:36 AM »
Sharwil is the most important commercial cultivar here. They are good, but not top tier in my opinion. But best cultivar is going to have a lot to do where they are grown. Maybe the Sharwil reaches perfection in Australian climate and soils, but not here? (Reminds me of the whole Kensington mango conundrum.)
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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2018, 05:07:37 AM »
Oscar I don't know but the KP conundrum is certainly baffling. I judge Avos as according to whether they are better or worse than Hass and most are not as good. Perhaps I was rash including Sharwil and omitting Pinkerton.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2018, 06:00:25 AM »
I recently discovered an unnamed tree at a friends home..that's about 60 years old and 50 feet tall, loaded with some of the best tasting avacados I've ever had..I have 10 named cultivars
 avacado trees at my place but this one tops them all..I think better than Hass



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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2018, 08:54:47 AM »
I recently discovered an unnamed tree at a friends home..that's about 60 years old and 50 feet tall, loaded with some of the best tasting avacados I've ever had..I have 10 named cultivars
 avacado trees at my place but this one tops them all..I think better than Hass



Wouldn't it be great if someone would graft it onto young rootstock and propagate it?  Is all the fruit blemished like in the photo?
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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2018, 10:02:43 AM »
I recently discovered an unnamed tree at a friends home..that's about 60 years old and 50 feet tall, loaded with some of the best tasting avacados I've ever had..I have 10 named cultivars
 avacado trees at my place but this one tops them all..I think better than Hass



Wouldn't it be great if someone would graft it onto young rootstock and propagate it?  Is all the fruit blemished like in the photo?




Irma=blemished

In florida the best seem to be malama,{fuerte} but does have uneven rippeing,ettinger have not tried talpana and jose antonio,kampong is pretty good nishikawa avocado is very good,day and lula  good.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2018, 11:41:17 AM »
Jan Boyce and Reed.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2018, 12:32:51 PM »
No West Indian avocado comes close to Hass in taste and production. The one above looks like yr typical WI.
5 year Hass properly prune with hundreds of fruits


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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2018, 06:42:27 PM »
Here on the central coast, several are excellent (besides Hass).  Jan Boyce, Stewart, Pinkerton, Edranol, and Hellen (2 L's).  Looks like a good year this year after last year's rains.  Hopefully more to come this year.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2018, 08:44:59 PM »
No West Indian avocado comes close to Hass in taste and production. The one above looks like yr typical WI.
5 year Hass properly prune with hundreds of fruits


Great tree JF. Curious what size properly pruned avos are kept at?
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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2018, 11:36:14 PM »
Jan Boyce for me.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2018, 12:51:58 AM »
Gwen is probably my favorite, though there are others that I've tasted that have been similarly excellent (but are not in circulation) such as some unnamed varieties Julie Frink has and some Hawaiian ones that Ken Love has.  I think there are probably quite a few top-tier tasting avocados out there, many of which aren't really widely distributed.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2018, 10:32:22 AM »
Wow, is this subjective.  What makes the perfect avocado fruit (not tree)?  For me it has to have an easy to peel skin or better still a shell to spoon out of (like Reed), small seed, high oil - rich, creamy, buttery.  Reed is considered by many to be the best in the states.  Mine are ready and excellent after hanging for 14 months up to 18. 

Another bonus is that the meat doesn't brown when cut.  I recently threw the 2nd half of a Sir Prize into a baggie and the next day it didn't have a smidgeon of brown on it.  Spaugh, you were right.





The only really good Hass we've had are those from Morro Creek Avocado ranch.  I can't remember when I've had a really good Hass.  The ones we're getting now are awful.

Barath, I have Gwen fruit hanging now and have trouble regarding when to harvest it.  Apparently it needs more than 12 mos. ?  Hard to beat the tree for a true runt, a dwarf.  Mine is a good 6 years old and no bigger than 4' H X 6' W.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2018, 11:27:43 AM »
Totally agree that this is so subjective.

A month or so ago, I found myself surprised to find that when I ate a Bacon side by side with a Hass, I slightly preferred the Bacon. Of course, Bacon's season was about prime then while Hass's prime taste will not come for a couple more months (in my yard in San Diego County). And I find Hass to taste awesome at the right time, as good as any other avocado I know.

I sometimes think Fuerte is my favorite, but it's not perfect. Sometimes it has a few fibers, the seed is on the large side, and sometimes the seed coat doesn't adhere to the seed. But dang it tastes so rich just to the right level for me.

Reed is hard to beat in almost every category. And the productivity blows most varieties away.

If you're just thinking of flavor, you might say Jan Boyce, for example. But it's not perfect as it doesn't peel as well as Hass does.

And how about Pinkerton?! Tastes great to me, plus its seed is tiny so you get so much flesh.

About when to harvest Gwen: it might help to refer to the release dates that the Cal. Dept. of Food and Ag. issues for commercial farmers. URL: http://www.californiaavocadogrowers.com/sites/default/files/documents/Avocado-Maturity-Release-2017-2018.pdf

For Gwen, smalls can be picked starting April 3. I find it helpful to compare the release dates to other varieties I have. So, you might compare the Gwen release date to Hass (Jan. 16) or Lamb (July 17) just to give you the idea that Gwen is predicted to be mature some three months after Hass but three months before Lamb. It's just a prediction on their part, but I think it's useful all the same.
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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2018, 11:50:41 AM »
Thanks for the info Greg.  With our cooler weather dates are totally different than other states.  Reason why I asked about Gwen is based on critique of cados in the San Jose area and I quote - "Gwen: An "awesome avocado you don't see sold anymore. Those lucky enough to have a Gwen tree will appreciate the small tidy tree size, great flavor better than Hass if left to ripen the full 16-plus months it needs, productivity if you've got several other avocados that aren't Hass to pollinate it."  If I had more room I'd love to try a GEM.  Love Pinkerton and will soon graft a stick off my Frankencado onto a vigorous Oro Negro rootstock.  It's being run over by the vigor of its brothers - Holiday, Sir Prize, and Ardith. http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/general-news/20100501/sharon-hull-this-week-in-the-garden-settling-the-avocado-question-once-and-for-all

Forgot about fiber which I hate.  So far none have it. 

Small seeds are really nice - Sharwil, Pinkerton, Sir Prize.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2018, 05:52:38 PM »
How is Greengold, which is a seedling of Sharwil?  Carlos was growing it, but we haven't heard from him since Hurricane Irma, which did a lot of damage to (devastated?) his grove.  It seemed like it might have potential for Florida.  Otherwise, what's the BEST TASTING AVOCADO FOR FLORIDA?  Pinkerton?
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2018, 08:54:07 PM »
Dupuis!
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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2018, 10:52:12 PM »
Barath, I have Gwen fruit hanging now and have trouble regarding when to harvest it.  Apparently it needs more than 12 mos. ?  Hard to beat the tree for a true runt, a dwarf.  Mine is a good 6 years old and no bigger than 4' H X 6' W.

Around here I think folks often leave Gwen on the tree for almost 18 months, but you probably get more growing heat through the year and it'll be shorter for you.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2018, 12:03:19 AM »
How is Greengold, which is a seedling of Sharwil?  Carlos was growing it, but we haven't heard from him since Hurricane Irma, which did a lot of damage to (devastated?) his grove.  It seemed like it might have potential for Florida.  Otherwise, what's the BEST TASTING AVOCADO FOR FLORIDA?  Pinkerton?
Green gold is quite good...similar in quality to Sharwil.
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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2018, 12:20:06 AM »
Yes rating avocados is subjective. But then again rating the quality of any fruit (or food) is subjective. Still if you look at a list of people's favorites the same names will come up on the top over and over again.
Keep in mind though that the favorite cultivars of commercial growers does not have much to do with what is people's favorites. They choose mostly based on productivity, shelf life, uniformity, looks, disease resistance. Taste is only one small component for them. A lot of people wrongly assume that because a certain cultivar is the most widely grown that it must have the best quality, in terms of taste.We know this is not true with Tommy Atkins avocado, or Red Delicious apples (the old top selling cultivar), and i don't think it's true with Hass either. But it's not surprising when there are so many hundreds of cultivars of avocados.
The fuerte was the top commercially grown avocado for a long time before it was supplanted by Hass. There is evolution even in the Hass. They just keep calling it by the same name even though the trees are different than the Hass from decades ago, . This is just because the name is so implanted by now in people's minds and the marketers don't want to move on to a different name. Remarketing under a new name costs money and time to get consumer approval.
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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2018, 08:10:25 AM »
As long as it has pebbly skin, turns dark when ripe, is small in size, and is pear-shaped (it will sell)!
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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2018, 08:20:03 AM »
Otherwise, what's the BEST TASTING AVOCADO FOR FLORIDA?  Pinkerton?

Kicker is survival from disease pressures like anthracnose.  if you can't grow them than taste is moot.  From what I know about Florida and rubbing elbows with Carlos I would bet on Reed and Pinkerton which can take the heat and high RH.  To get anal anthracnose attacks fruit that has a skin less than  .20 mm.  According to a very comprehensive field trial study done in Weslaco, published in 1991, no anthracnose attacks occurred on fruit with skins .30 mm or better.

It's reported that high oil types like Hazzard and Rincon do well in the tropics.  I got sticks from U.C.R. which never took.

One RGV grower, border of Mexico and Texas, swears by Marcus Pumpkin.  Utuado also gets good reviews.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2018, 08:26:51 AM »
Keep in mind though that the favorite cultivars of commercial growers does not have much to do with what is people's favorites. They choose mostly based on productivity, shelf life, uniformity, looks, disease resistance. Taste is only one small component for them.

Bingo! Enter Hass.  (Been preaching this for years.)   Reason why Gwen didn't make it is because it didn't turn black upon ripening - market acceptance.  Didn't matter that it produces 3 times as much in half the acreage required by Hass.  Being the grand daughter of Hass it was initially pushed to de-thrown Hass as the commercial variety.


 

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2018, 01:04:31 AM »
Kahaluu for Hawaiian varieties but not an awesome producer. I also like Yamagata.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2018, 06:52:51 AM »
Did I ad edronol and pinkerton to my list? I am near the tropical limit of where Guatemalan avos can fruit and survive. Hass, fuerte and so many others are unsuitable and it took a lot of trial and error to determine that only wurtz,hazzard,Reed and shepard were worth growing. People keep trying to grow sharwil only like me to be disappointed. Luckily the 4 that can grow here are good quality types but they would prefer to be 1600km poleward of me.

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2018, 11:33:07 AM »
This avocado is pretty good but it has a lot of sandy like kidney stones in the meat. I have never seen anything like this. Is there such a thing?


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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2018, 04:56:44 PM »
This avocado is pretty good but it has a lot of sandy like kidney stones in the meat. I have never seen anything like this. Is there such a thing?

My friend's Choquette avocados had those "stones" some years, but not every year.  And if I recall correctly, most years it did NOT have them.  But the tree got too large for a small yard so it had to be removed.  It was a good, but not great, variety, and looked similar to the avocado pictured here.  It was a large avocado.
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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2018, 05:45:39 PM »
One thing that is not mentioned frequently enough is that avocados increase in richness when left on the tree an extra long time. I discovered this when I tasted some Hass from my tree that was hanging about 18 months. The butter factor was so high, it was like I was eating a Reed or some Hawaiian avocado.

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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2018, 08:16:50 PM »
One thing that is not mentioned frequently enough is that avocados increase in richness when left on the tree an extra long time. I discovered this when I tasted some Hass from my tree that was hanging about 18 months. The butter factor was so high, it was like I was eating a Reed or some Hawaiian avocado.
Good point.  That's why even West Indian avocados grown in Florida taste pretty good when they stay on the tree long enough--Simmonds, Choquette, etc.
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« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2018, 09:05:42 PM »
One thing that is not mentioned frequently enough is that avocados increase in richness when left on the tree an extra long time. I discovered this when I tasted some Hass from my tree that was hanging about 18 months. The butter factor was so high, it was like I was eating a Reed or some Hawaiian avocado.
Yes, type of cultivar is only one factor affecting taste and oil content. Fruits should be left on until at least until after the fruits are no longer glossy. Other things also affect taste, like soil type, fertilizer, amount of sun exposure, climate, etc. So it's not really completely fair to compare quality of different cultivars, unless they came from the same farm, and had same growing conditions.
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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2018, 08:17:52 AM »
Whitsell and gwen,and yes i read the bad on the whitsell 20 years ago written by someone that should have tasted the fruit first, i place the whitsell over hass and the gwen over whitsell.             Patrick

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Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety you have had?
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2018, 09:23:45 AM »
The Monroe and Catalina I've had from Homestead was very good.  I was shocked a "Slimcado" could taste so good.  Texture was fine, easy to peel.

 

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