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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: skhan on November 28, 2018, 09:46:08 AM
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Is this cold front we're in enough to force flowers in most mango trees?
Some of mine only recently stopped flushing.
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I would say yes. Huge transition from 80's to 50's. Should be plenty of shock to stimulate bloom.
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It’s enough to ignite easily triggered varieties like Rosigold, Dwarf Hawaiian, Rosa and Edward to a full bloom if they haven’t started already but it isn’t enough to stimulate a full bloom on most other cultivars, particularly when the highs are going right back into the mid-80s over the weekend/early part of next week.
More likely to see some partial bloom on a lot of stuff. A longer cold spell spanning a week + would do a lot more. 2 weeks of nighttime temps below 60F is ideal.
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I completely agree with Squam.
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1677-04202007000400007&script=sci_arttext (http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1677-04202007000400007&script=sci_arttext)
Decreased leaf nitrogen levels combined with fully hardened and aged previous growth flushes can help.
Simon
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Interesting article Simon, thanks for sharing. Going to take another read or 2 to comprehend better.
Could laying ice under a tree for multiple days on end cool the roots enough to further encourage flowering?
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Partial bloom sounds right.
It seems like there are 2 factors that stimulate bloom, one is length of time / # of chill hours, but another seems to be "shock" (number of degree difference from one day to the next). Going from highs in the high 80's to a sudden drop into the low 50's (high 40's with wind chill?) over a < 24 hour period is a big slap in the face. A more gradual decline in temps has less of an effect... in my experience at least.
I've also seen cold sensitive trees crash and die with lows well above temps that would normally kill them, due to the shock of a quick drop. When plants have a chance to acclimate, the shock is much less.
It’s enough to ignite easily triggered varieties like Rosigold, Dwarf Hawaiian, Rosa and Edward to a full bloom if they haven’t started already but it isn’t enough to stimulate a full bloom on most other cultivars, particularly when the highs are going right back into the mid-80s over the weekend/early part of next week.
More likely to see some partial bloom on a lot of stuff. A longer cold spell spanning a week + would do a lot more. 2 weeks of nighttime temps below 60F is ideal.
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Partial bloom sounds right.
It seems like there are 2 factors that stimulate bloom, one is length of time / # of chill hours, but another seems to be "shock" (number of degree difference from one day to the next). Going from highs in the high 80's to a sudden drop into the low 50's (high 40's with wind chill?) over a < 24 hour period is a big slap in the face. A more gradual decline in temps has less of an effect... in my experience at least.
I've also seen cold sensitive trees crash and die with lows well above temps that would normally kill them, due to the shock of a quick drop. When plants have a chance to acclimate, the shock is much less.
It’s enough to ignite easily triggered varieties like Rosigold, Dwarf Hawaiian, Rosa and Edward to a full bloom if they haven’t started already but it isn’t enough to stimulate a full bloom on most other cultivars, particularly when the highs are going right back into the mid-80s over the weekend/early part of next week.
More likely to see some partial bloom on a lot of stuff. A longer cold spell spanning a week + would do a lot more. 2 weeks of nighttime temps below 60F is ideal.
Yes there is a shock affect. Temps below 50 F, like which we’re experiencing now, tend to produce a better bloom response as well compared to 50s weather.
A number of trees have recently flushed growth due to the warm fall temps and some are even finishing growth flushes right now. With the exception of certain cultivars ( Rosa, Pim Sen Mun and Ah Ping being a couple examples at our location), “young” , more recent growth will need a couple more months to have a floral response to a cold front.
Hopefully we can avoid extended periods of highs in the 80s and get more lows in the 50s or low 60s, rather than the 70s that we’ve seen much of the last few winters. A complete bloom makes things so much easier for growers like me than the sporadic multiple blooms like last year.
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Some of the julie-line mangos can flush out of tender / red-stage growth. My coco cream has done it a couple of times. Very odd.
Hoping for a good bloom this winter. Wouldn't mind a few lychees either. My mauritius seems to bear about once every 6 to 8 years, so maybe it's due this year :-).
Let's revisit this thread in 2 - 3 weeks to see what's flowered in response to these past couple of nights :D
Partial bloom sounds right.
It seems like there are 2 factors that stimulate bloom, one is length of time / # of chill hours, but another seems to be "shock" (number of degree difference from one day to the next). Going from highs in the high 80's to a sudden drop into the low 50's (high 40's with wind chill?) over a < 24 hour period is a big slap in the face. A more gradual decline in temps has less of an effect... in my experience at least.
I've also seen cold sensitive trees crash and die with lows well above temps that would normally kill them, due to the shock of a quick drop. When plants have a chance to acclimate, the shock is much less.
It’s enough to ignite easily triggered varieties like Rosigold, Dwarf Hawaiian, Rosa and Edward to a full bloom if they haven’t started already but it isn’t enough to stimulate a full bloom on most other cultivars, particularly when the highs are going right back into the mid-80s over the weekend/early part of next week.
More likely to see some partial bloom on a lot of stuff. A longer cold spell spanning a week + would do a lot more. 2 weeks of nighttime temps below 60F is ideal.
Yes there is a shock affect. Temps below 50 F, like which we’re experiencing now, tend to produce a better bloom response as well compared to 50s weather.
A number of trees have recently flushed growth due to the warm fall temps and some are even finishing growth flushes right now. With the exception of certain cultivars ( Rosa, Pim Sen Mun and Ah Ping being a couple examples at our location), “young” , more recent growth will need a couple more months to have a floral response to a cold front.
Hopefully we can avoid extended periods of highs in the 80s and get more lows in the 50s or low 60s, rather than the 70s that we’ve seen much of the last few winters. A complete bloom makes things so much easier for growers like me than the sporadic multiple blooms like last year.
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Thanks for the replies and detailed discussion. Who know this might not be the end of our winter.
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For the third straight year, Ugly Betty is the first to bloom in my yard. Dwarf Hawaiian is second, but only has blooms on one or two branches.
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Interesting article Simon, thanks for sharing. Going to take another read or 2 to comprehend better.
Could laying ice under a tree for multiple days on end cool the roots enough to further encourage flowering?
Squam can probably answer this better than myself but from my recollection, it is a combination of cold stimuli(besides all the other factors) to the roots and shoots that will ultimately determine if the plant will or will not flower. Putting ice over the rhizosphere will decrease the temps of the soil directly adjacent to the ice but there is a lot of thermal mass in the soil and air pockets in the soil will buffer the cooling properties of the ice.
In my opinion, it would not be worth the effort. Timely pruning and a proper fertilization schedule may help those in warmer climates achieve more consistent yields.
I have not heard anyone talk about girdling mango trees but I would assume this is a viable and often overlooked technique.
Simon
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Girdling and making cuts all around the trunks of mature mango trees are common practices through out SE Asia but I don't know when they are done exactly.
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I would say yes. Huge transition from 80's to 50's. Should be plenty of shock to stimulate bloom.
Then how do mango trees in Vietnam, Thailand reliably fruit every year in almost constant warm climate?
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I would say yes. Huge transition from 80's to 50's. Should be plenty of shock to stimulate bloom.
Then how do mango trees in Vietnam, Thailand reliably fruit every year in almost constant warm climate?
Dry season. Yucatán is much hotter than those Asian countries right now in the winter and mangos are flowering and setting
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Then how do mango trees in Vietnam, Thailand reliably fruit every year in almost constant warm climate?
Not quite, end of year starting November and until Jan (even Feb now?), it's sweater weather for people over there. Not for us, obviously. That seems to be enough to trigger mango flowering. And best time to visit for occidental tourists who don't really care about tropical fruits.
As for reliability, pro growers have chemical arsenals at their disposal.
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Yah, it's the dry season. Same with most other places where mangoes are grown (eg, Central America, India, etc). Our (South Florida) dry season is not quite as dry as it is in other mango growing regions. We still get rain once every week or so.
When we don't get cold, the mango harvest is poor. When we get good cold, it's a bumper crop.
I would say yes. Huge transition from 80's to 50's. Should be plenty of shock to stimulate bloom.
Then how do mango trees in Vietnam, Thailand reliably fruit every year in almost constant warm climate?
Dry season. Yucatán is much hotter than those Asian countries right now in the winter and mangos are flowering and setting
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Could laying ice under a tree for multiple days on end cool the roots enough to further encourage flowering?
Reminds me of a fisherman friend in the Caribbean. I told him apples needed cold weather.
He got some apple seeds growing and tried dumping his ice every day on the roots.
Didn't help.
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We have drier than last year. I can tell by my lawn which looks 60% more thirsty than last year at this time. Looks to me like a cold winter this year with above average mango production in 2019 in South Florida East and West.
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My area has gotten a lot of rain for Nov. Finally had some reprieve from the rain starting right before that cold front.
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There is a week El nino, but certainly one and while the predictions are more uncertain the expectation is for a wetter winter with equal to slightly higher chances of a warmer winter as well.
See the link below for NOAAs outlook.
We should be happy for all the chill hours we get because the likelihood is we wont have a drought stress.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/another-mild-winter-noaa%E2%80%99s-2018-19-winter-outlook (https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/another-mild-winter-noaa%E2%80%99s-2018-19-winter-outlook)
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Some of the mangos setting from this month and other trees flowering in Yucatán
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Got a few more days (nights) in the 50s coming up.
Should be good news for the upcoming season.
BTW, I guess now is a good time to start spraying some sulfur. (and maybe copper)
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Got a few more days (nights) in the 50s coming up.
Should be good news for the upcoming season.
BTW, I guess now is a good time to start spraying some sulfur. (and maybe copper)
Copper for rain, sulfur for the cold weather..
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I haven't seen any flowers on my trees.
Other than the known early varieties anyone seeing anything?
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Nothing yet. I'm crossing my fingers. Also saying some prayers for lychee this year.
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Significant bloom on:
Edward (multiple trees)
Rosigold (5 trees, 6th with swelling buds)
Rosa , full bloom on multiple trees
Dwarf Hawaiian - majority bloom on multiple trees
Graham
Jean Ellen
Some random bloom on:
Super Julie
Nam Doc Mai Sia Tong
Ah Ping
Duncan
Angie
Carrie
Nam tam Teem
Otherwise everything else is still dormant as expected.
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No flowers down this way yet.
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As of yesterday (12/16), 10 of the first 16 days of December had temperatures above historical average. Despite a few days with cooler temps, the conditions just haven’t yet been conducive to significant bloom.
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I don't think it has been so early the past two seasons but my neighbor's Black Kasturi mango is in bloom.
https://www.miami.com/things-to-do-in-miami/these-mangoes-are-wild-but-maybe-you-can-tame-them-before-they-disappear-164667/ (https://www.miami.com/things-to-do-in-miami/these-mangoes-are-wild-but-maybe-you-can-tame-them-before-they-disappear-164667/)
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In bloom in 9b.
Ugly Betty
"Heidi"
San Felipe x2
Son Pari
Phoenix
Container blooming:
Madame Blanc
Madame Francis
Jacquline
Romani
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How tall/old is your friend's kasturi tree? Mine is about 7 - 8 feet, still yet to flower, wondering how long it will take.
I don't think it has been so early the past two seasons but my neighbor's Black Kasturi mango is in bloom.
https://www.miami.com/things-to-do-in-miami/these-mangoes-are-wild-but-maybe-you-can-tame-them-before-they-disappear-164667/ (https://www.miami.com/things-to-do-in-miami/these-mangoes-are-wild-but-maybe-you-can-tame-them-before-they-disappear-164667/)
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I haven't seen any flowers on my trees.
Other than the known early varieties anyone seeing anything?
Perez Mango usually starts flowering at the first sign of cold usually at the end of October every year.. I’m hoping this year will it will set an early crop
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Got a few more days (nights) in the 50s coming up.
Should be good news for the upcoming season.
BTW, I guess now is a good time to start spraying some sulfur. (and maybe copper)
Copper for rain, sulfur for the cold weather..
I’ve found OMRI approved copper, is there an organic sulfur spray that is known by you more experienced growers? (Perez mango has had issues setting fruit on the first bloom years prior, I’ve never started spraying with copper or sulfur but hear all the time about how much it helps with fruit set)
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Some More emerging bloom on San Felipe, Kensington Pride, and Julie.
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Got a few more days (nights) in the 50s coming up.
Should be good news for the upcoming season.
BTW, I guess now is a good time to start spraying some sulfur. (and maybe copper)
Copper for rain, sulfur for the cold weather..
I’ve found OMRI approved copper, is there an organic sulfur spray that is known by you more experienced growers? (Perez mango has had issues setting fruit on the first bloom years prior, I’ve never started spraying with copper or sulfur but hear all the time about how much it helps with fruit set)
Soil sulfur is exceptionally soluble in water, and it doesn't take much of it to lower the surface pH of the plant to outside of the preferred range for fungus. There should be no reason for it to not be organic, as it's a mineral naturally present in elemental form.
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Then how do mango trees in Vietnam, Thailand reliably fruit every year in almost constant warm climate?
Not quite, end of year starting November and until Jan (even Feb now?), it's sweater weather for people over there. Not for us, obviously. That seems to be enough to trigger mango flowering. And best time to visit for occidental tourists who don't really care about tropical fruits.
As for reliability, pro growers have chemical arsenals at their disposal.
When do we get sweater weather, can you tell me so i can turn off airconditioning.
I see mangotree's blooming and with fruit already.
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Nothing so far on my trees, not on mature trees, not on grafts from last year and not on grafts from this year.
I expect to see some soon though but this is a transition year for me. Two of my bigger producers are being topworked (in thirds - removed a third of the tree and grafted on to the growing shots) and I expect will not give much fruit for the next two years while the trees are changed.
Now that I have posted, I suppose I will walk outside and there will be panicles all over some of the trees :)
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Awful.
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3 dozen mango trees and only one has flowers: my least favorite, the lancetilla.
What happened to south florida winters? It used to be that Nov 1 was the start of cool, open the windows and shut off the a/c weather.
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3 dozen mango trees and only one has flowers: my least favorite, the lancetilla.
What happened to south florida winters? It used to be that Nov 1 was the start of cool, open the windows and shut off the a/c weather.
Blooms on some branches of Ugly Betty and Dwarf Hawaiian. Nothing on any of the other trees. However, I see swollen buds on some of the others...
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Significant bloom on my Maha Chanok. lots of flowers young tree second year fruiting
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3 dozen mango trees and only one has flowers: my least favorite, the lancetilla.
What happened to south florida winters? It used to be that Nov 1 was the start of cool, open the windows and shut off the a/c weather.
I’ve been doing a review of our average recorded temperatures for the last several winters, and you’d be amazed how many days we’ve been above historical average. And not just a minor amount.....lots of days in the double digits above average. We used to get reliably cool weather in the month of December that would trigger fairly full blooms, and now we get this piecemeal garbage that results in multiple/delayed flowerings that extend the spraying cycle and reduce yields on a lot of varieties.
If this proves to be a long-term trend, the landscape of where mangos are “ideal” in Florida May be changing a bit.
Hopefully we can get *something* in January because December is shot.
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One Falan mango out of two is blooming for me, partial bloom on the east side.
This is a mango from Thailand most often eaten green/unripe, it bears in clusters.
https://mangobyjune.blogspot.com/2016/06/mango-thunder.html?view=flipcard
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Interesting. The last few winters have felt considerably warmer to me.
I’ve been doing a review of our average recorded temperatures for the last several winters, and you’d be amazed how many days we’ve been above historical average. And not just a minor amount.....lots of days in the double digits above average.
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Interesting. The last few winters have felt considerably warmer to me.
I’ve been doing a review of our average recorded temperatures for the last several winters, and you’d be amazed how many days we’ve been above historical average. And not just a minor amount.....lots of days in the double digits above average.
I believe that is what squam is saying also.
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Yes. My comment was an oddly worded way of saying, "my experience agrees with your research." Inserting an "indeed" between have and felt would have conveyed the idea a little more clearly.
Interesting. The last few winters have felt considerably warmer to me.
I’ve been doing a review of our average recorded temperatures for the last several winters, and you’d be amazed how many days we’ve been above historical average. And not just a minor amount.....lots of days in the double digits above average.
I believe that is what squam is saying also.
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Here in Lakeland we have had shot after shot of cold fronts since the end of November. Much cooler than the past number of Decembers. Luckily no freezes but I'm surprised not much of the cold has made it down to you guys in the south. We have had many nights in low 40's high 30's, which would make me think you guys would of at least made it to low 50's or mid 50's. I keep hearing about the mild December throughout the country and beginning to wonder if central Florida is the only place in the country experiencing winter in December this year.
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I have only 2 mangos trees, a LZ and a CC oth bought in a 15 gallon pot and 2 years in the ground. Last year the LZ did not flower until late March, and only a hand full of panicales. This year almost every branch has a panical starting or has swollen buds. The CC did not flower as I had to cut off a good bit of frost damage, and am just now starting to see a handful of swollen buds.
Still haven't tasted a CC mango so hope I get some good flowering!!!
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Cogshall and Pickering (25g pot) are starting to push flowers
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Seems like everything is waking up now in my yard.
Pushing buds: Glenn, Neelam, Angie
Flowering: Cogshall, Pickering
Everything else is swollen
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I see swollen buds too. It's been warm enough that I am not sure if I get flowers of vegetative flush. Will see.
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YAY! I spy blooms. On 1 little tree. One out of 25. Good grief, the suspense is killing me!!!!!!! Just bloom already.
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After Ugly Betty and Dwarf Hawaiian, Sunrise starts to bloom in my yard. Swollen buds on NMD #4, Angie, Maha Chanok and Juicy Peach. Strangely, nothing so far on Carrie, Bailey's Marvel and Lemon Meringue.
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Nearly full bloom on both of my older lemon zest trees, Maha Chanok (very reliable bearer for me). Sparse bloom on most everything else.
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Hello all..Just found my mallika mango tree showing some flowers ;D ;D ;D
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Sweettart and Coco Cream flowering now. Feels a bit early, yet they are there. Peach Cobbler is also getting ready to bust
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I just did a thorough inspection of all 140 of our Mangos. We have about 60 varieties now. All of our Mango trees have only been in the ground for less than 2.2 years. We have bloom on more than 90 percent of our trees. Virtually ever branch tip is in full bloom or pushing bloom, hardly any partial bloom. I tried to get 10lbs of pure fresh raw horse manure applied in the rhizospere when I noticed swollen buds. This was about 30 days worth of manure collection about 1500lbs.. There is no bedding in the manure and our horses only eat organic food. Basically the only trees not blooming are Zills trees we purchased and planted the week before Christmas 2018. None of our Mangos get any supplemental water. We did not water when planted. They were planted according to the Biodynamic Lunar calendar. They do get biochar, quality biodynamic compost, fresh leaf and branch tip wood chip mulch and biodynamic sprays and other biological homemade foliar sprays. All fertility, disease control is made onsite. Last year we got healthy Mangos off several trees. We do not have fungal or bacterial issues at all. This is a partial list of what is blooming.
Angie, Bangnapoli, Butter Cream, Carrie,Coconut Cream, Cotton Candy, Dot, Diamond, Edgar, Florigon, Fruit Punch, Guava, Honey Kiss, Juicy Peach, Juliette, , Lancetilla, Lemon Zest, Lemon Meringue, Maha Chanok, Mallika, Nam Doc Mai, Peach Cobbler, Pickering, Pina Collada, Pineapple Pleasure, Son Pari, Super Julie, Sugar Loaf, Sweet Tart, Valencia Pride, Venus
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Carrie
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Sweet Tart
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Coconut Cream
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Ice Cream
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Valencia Pride
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Guava mango in bloom
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Phoenix
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Manzanillo blooming for the second time. The fruits from the first blooming flowers are rapidly gaining size.
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Got a few more days (nights) in the 50s coming up.
Should be good news for the upcoming season.
BTW, I guess now is a good time to start spraying some sulfur. (and maybe copper)
Copper for rain, sulfur for the cold weather..
My mango has been in the ground for two years and just started putting flowers out for the first time! I’ll be getting weather in the upper 40s tonight. Should I do anything to protect them? Also, when should I spray with copper / silver? Should I just spray on the flower stem?
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you will be ok in Merritt island. I've already started spraying my trees that I want to let hold fruit. if your trees are small (2 yrs from a 3gl or even 7gl) you would be better off letting them mature and establish a bit longer. chances are they will not hold fruit to maturity and will waist all that energy on squirrel food. there are plenty of fruit stands on the island to quench your mango appetite. the Enseys farm is a great place to get some.
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How do you rate your Phoenix and guava trees and fruit? my Phoenix is flowering like crazy but not established enough to hold a worthwhile amount of fruit. have yet to try eather.
Phoenix
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How do you rate your Phoenix and guava trees and fruit? my Phoenix is flowering like crazy but not established enough to hold a worthwhile amount of fruit. have yet to try eather.
Phoenix
I have tasted both. Guava easily wins the competition for me.
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Guava is a larger mango with a great flavor
Phoenix reminds me of sweet tart with a more blended flavor
Both made my top ten last season
First mangos can be fully flavored as both types were first fruits
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Thanks guys, Im probably going to topwork guava onto a graham tree this spring. So many outstanding mangos its hard not to want them all. Its time to start consolidating my trees and cutting out the less favorable varieties.
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I culled four trees and rehomed them this year
I replaced a Providence, Fruit Punch, Pickering and Maha Chanok with a pina colada, orange sherbet, m-4,and E-4 this year and have a coconut cream waiting for spring to plant
Better taste gets the spot
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Yeah, I bought a few trees based on their reputation that are coming out or getting topworked. Maha, Pickering and fruit punch are on the chopping block. Fruit punch is pretty unique but it wasn't what I had hoped it was. Im a big fan of cocoanut cream, Have M4 planted out ( on reputation ) and E4 is now solidly in my top 10 and will be worked onto something. I have gotten pretty good at a basic cleft graph which has opened up a whole new world lol.
I culled four trees and rehomed them this year
I replaced a Providence, Fruit Punch, Pickering and Maha Chanok with a pina colada, orange sherbet, m-4,and E-4 this year and have a coconut cream waiting for spring to plant
Better taste gets the spot
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Once you taste some of them you gotta make room
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Finally!
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Only our pickering is starting to show some blooms and very few at that. Fairchild zero. Honey Kiss zero (but hopeful since later season), PPK zero, Cocunt cream zero.
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Only our pickering is starting to show some blooms and very few at that. Fairchild zero. Honey Kiss zero (but hopeful since later season), PPK zero, Cocunt cream zero.
Fairchild will never let you down. Just saying. And Carrie has never let me down. Always got mangoes from my C tree. Truth...one year but only one my Fairchild gave up nothing.
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Only our pickering is starting to show some blooms and very few at that. Fairchild zero. Honey Kiss zero (but hopeful since later season), PPK zero, Cocunt cream zero.
Patience.
I am not the right person to be saying this considering a checked out my trees sometime twice a day looking for a sign. Interesting thins is the Mallika and Keith that I hardly looked at now have most flowers on them. The other trees clearly are showing sign with swollen buds, a rouge young graft that flowered etc. It has been a strange year but it appears that things are beginning to flower so hang in there, you could be posting an update singing a different tune this time next week.
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Only our pickering is starting to show some blooms and very few at that. Fairchild zero. Honey Kiss zero (but hopeful since later season), PPK zero, Cocunt cream zero.
Patience.
I am not the right person to be saying this considering a checked out my trees sometime twice a day looking for a sign. Interesting thins is the Mallika and Keith that I hardly looked at now have most flowers on them. The other trees clearly are showing sign with swollen buds, a rouge young graft that flowered etc. It has been a strange year but it appears that things are beginning to flower so hang in there, you could be posting an update singing a different tune this time next week.
Yes still very early!!
Here’s some of the recently planted trees that are already flowering despite only being planted about a week before Thanksgiving-
(A lot of others have had swollen buds & just haven’t emerged especially for lack of rain/water.)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vxh8p5f2/37-D5133-C-25-AB-4409-90-C1-F18-DF6273-A83.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vxh8p5f2) (Florigon grafted w/ Rapoza)
(https://i.postimg.cc/7fLTqLhJ/37-FB171-A-A80-A-4-D88-A2-D4-2-EB4-AEE9998-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7fLTqLhJ) (Venus grafted w/ Glenn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Cd7qy8hV/8-CC7-A7-FE-73-D4-4-F7-A-8005-672-A4-CA576-E2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Cd7qy8hV) (Phoenix)
(https://i.postimg.cc/G8Jsm8vG/BD1-B6-E14-EA83-44-A9-ABB4-E706-DE5-C3-D9-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G8Jsm8vG) (Carrie)
(https://i.postimg.cc/jCt7kcrX/D9712-AD5-8-A21-4-A95-BFAC-982562803916.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jCt7kcrX) (Hatcher)
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I know there's some discussion about chopping off new lychee growth to encourage flowering, but does the same hold true for mango? If our mango tree is flushing new growth now, is there any benefit to chopping that off?
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I wouldn't do that with growth that hasn't hardened and turned green, and don't do it with my mangos unless it is part of a planned tipping regime.
There are many posts on pruning and tipping mango on the forum do a search for "tipping"
Here are a few - happy reading :)
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=29592.msg333603#msg333603 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=29592.msg333603#msg333603)
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=27985.msg318820#msg318820 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=27985.msg318820#msg318820)
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1422.msg88695#msg88695 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1422.msg88695#msg88695)
There are also many good videos on youtube. Here are two popularly shared links. They represent 2 slightly different schools of thoughts. Has to do with inducing growth at the internode or just below. I split the difference. My first cut is just above the node allowing many shoots from which I pick 3 to keep. Subsequent cuts are below the node and fewer new shoots form at the location of leafs just below the cut. Usually 2 or 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh1AnvNa6mc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh1AnvNa6mc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlhF-YphevA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlhF-YphevA)
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I wouldn't do that with growth that hasn't hardened and turned green, and don't do it with my mangos unless it is part of a planned tipping regime.
There are many posts on pruning and tipping mango on the forum do a search for "tipping"
Here are a few - happy reading :)
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=29592.msg333603#msg333603 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=29592.msg333603#msg333603)
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=27985.msg318820#msg318820 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=27985.msg318820#msg318820)
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1422.msg88695#msg88695 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1422.msg88695#msg88695)
My first cut is just above the node allowing many shoots from which I pick 3 to keep. Subsequent cuts are below the node and fewer new shoots form at the location of leafs just below the cut. Usually 2 or 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh1AnvNa6mc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh1AnvNa6mc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlhF-YphevA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlhF-YphevA)
This makes sense.
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Tebow/ Young Mango first to flower here other trees just now swelling
(https://i.postimg.cc/TKjCzcFX/tebow-mango-Jan-2019.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TKjCzcFX)
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Happy to report inflorescence on Glenn, Coconut Cream, and NDM4. First time flowering for CC and NDM4. Still waiting on Kesar and Casturi. Not expecting any on recent grafts of OS, ST, and Maha.
Was starting to worry. Glenn flowered much sooner last year and the year before, providing early crops and then heftier harvests thereafter. Don't think there will be any early mangoes for us this year.
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Flowers:
Dupuis - full
Cogshall - full
Angie - full
NDM - just starting
Glenn - just starting
Keitt - just starting
Neelam- just starting
Cac - partial
Pushing (will see in a few days if its flowers)
Cotton Candy
Lemon Zest
Imam Passand
Francis Hargrave
M4
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Anyone getting poor fruit set?
I had two trees that flowered relatively earlier than the others and just about al the panicles have dried up, very little fruit set.
I am a little inland and most mornings the dew is so much it is like I had hosed down the flowers.
I sprayed to try to prevent powdery mildew and while I seem to have avoided that I still did not get good fruit set (despite bees and flies buzzing everywhere).
Fortunately, the trees that flowered a little later seem to be setting some fruit. Not sure if this will be a good mango year for me just yet.
Question: Other than copper and sulfur, what do you spray to help your mangos hold on to some fruit.
On a pleasant note, lychee and citrus are blossoming, won't be a lost season.
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Anyone getting poor fruit set?
I had two trees that flowered relatively earlier than the others and just about al the panicles have dried up, very little fruit set.
I am a little inland and most mornings the dew is so much it is like I had hosed down the flowers.
I sprayed to try to prevent powdery mildew and while I seem to have avoided that I still did not get good fruit set (despite bees and flies buzzing everywhere).
Fortunately, the trees that flowered a little later seem to be setting some fruit. Not sure if this will be a good mango year for me just yet.
Question: Other than copper and sulfur, what do you spray to help your mangos hold on to some fruit.
On a pleasant note, lychee and citrus are blossoming, won't be a lost season.
Weather conditions likely influenced certain varieties to open male rather than female. The initial fruit set on Edward and Carrie off January bloom, for instance, was garbage. The secondary bloom’s fruit set has been much better.
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Carrie fruit set has been poor, but all the rest has been really strong.
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Carrie fruit set has been poor, but all the rest has been really strong.
My Carrie looks light too but I'm hoping it will be like last year and just playing "hide and go seek" in the thick close leaves until they mature.
Last year, I was happy when July came and found a few late bloomers on the Carrie that had matured very late.
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The two in my case were carrie and keith.
Last year was a monster year on the Carie. Unless I get another flush which I doubt this year will be slim.
May be a good year to prune and shape the tree.
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My 9 foot tall Phoenix is covered in flowers on one side, the orange essence that's the same height but skinnier doesn't have any flowers.
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honey kiss held one mango off one pannicle
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The two in my case were carrie and keith.
Last year was a monster year on the Carie. Unless I get another flush which I doubt this year will be slim.
May be a good year to prune and shape the tree.
UPDATE
Strange thing.
As I mentioned earlier my Keith flowered but failed to hold fruit.
I decided perhaps it was a year to heavy prune to try to shape the tree, take the opportunity that it was not fruiting.
I went by the tree this weekend to figure the cuts I wanted to make and lo and behold, it is trying to flower again. It hasn't been cold, at least not cold enough to stimulate flowering. The new panicles are just coming in and there few of them, I counted less than a dozen on the entire tree. They are miserable looking but they are panicles and that was a surprise.
Anyone seeing this late flowering from trees that flowered but failed earlier in the season?
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The two in my case were carrie and keith.
Last year was a monster year on the Carie. Unless I get another flush which I doubt this year will be slim.
May be a good year to prune and shape the tree.
UPDATE
Strange thing.
As I mentioned earlier my Keith flowered but failed to hold fruit.
I decided perhaps it was a year to heavy prune to try to shape the tree, take the opportunity that it was not fruiting.
I went by the tree this weekend to figure the cuts I wanted to make and lo and behold, it is trying to flower again. It hasn't been cold, at least not cold enough to stimulate flowering. The new panicles are just coming in and there few of them, I counted less than a dozen on the entire tree. They are miserable looking but they are panicles and that was a surprise.
Anyone seeing this late flowering from trees that flowered but failed earlier in the season?
Yes, minor amount from a tiny bit of cool temps in March + dry conditions. It’s going to be inconsequential.
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UPDATE
Strange thing.
As I mentioned earlier my Keith flowered but failed to hold fruit.
I decided perhaps it was a year to heavy prune to try to shape the tree, take the opportunity that it was not fruiting.
I went by the tree this weekend to figure the cuts I wanted to make and lo and behold, it is trying to flower again. It hasn't been cold, at least not cold enough to stimulate flowering. The new panicles are just coming in and there few of them, I counted less than a dozen on the entire tree. They are miserable looking but they are panicles and that was a surprise.
Anyone seeing this late flowering from trees that flowered but failed earlier in the season?
Yes, minor amount from a tiny bit of cool temps in March + dry conditions. It’s going to be inconsequential.
Party pooper, I was hoping perhaps there might be a chance of some fruit from my trees that failed this year.
I will mark my cuts and make them soon. Maybe I can get two flushes through the summer and position well for next year with a smaller but more complex tree.
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I went by the tree this weekend to figure the cuts I wanted to make and lo and behold, it is trying to flower again. It hasn't been cold, at least not cold enough to stimulate flowering. The new panicles are just coming in and there few of them, I counted less than a dozen on the entire tree. They are miserable looking but they are panicles and that was a surprise.
Anyone seeing this late flowering from trees that flowered but failed earlier in the season?
(https://i.postimg.cc/sBC7YKWn/IMG-2124.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sBC7YKWn)
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Getting mixed bloom on Phoenix, ppk and Fairchild
Bigger than first bloom on ppk
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(https://i.postimg.cc/zLzTCsN0/IMG-2155.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zLzTCsN0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/k6Z8dDbp/IMG-2156.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/k6Z8dDbp)
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Just a few random blooms this week on Carrie and Choc Anon.
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Small second bloom on Maha Chanok, on tips that didn't flower the first time, those that did have thumb sized fruit.