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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Watermelon
« on: August 15, 2018, 01:02:57 AM »

Not sure of the variety but this here is a picture of the one I tried.  Not as dark yellow as yours.  More like a pineapple color

You might get an ID on it if you have a photo of the skin.  Ive grown a lot of types of melons and so far orangeglo is the winner.  Sugar baby, icebox from rene is good, crimson sweets I have growing but havent tried. Simon had a list of good ones in a thread.  Some Japanese types were there.  Im going to try the georgia rattlesnake and a few other types next year.  Maybe experiment growing some small types over fall and winter.

Enjoy


So here is a small piece that I found.  Like I mentioned,  donít know the variety but it was oh so sweet.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Watermelon
« on: August 15, 2018, 12:40:24 AM »

Not sure of the variety but this here is a picture of the one I tried.  Not as dark yellow as yours.  More like a pineapple color

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Watermelon
« on: August 15, 2018, 12:28:31 AM »
Definitely go for the orangeglo, they are better than the desert kings although Im still experimenting with desert king and letting them grow longer.  They are harder to know when to pick. 

https://www.rareseeds.com/store/vegetables/watermelon/

Thanks buddy!
Definitely going too give it a shot! 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Watermelon
« on: August 15, 2018, 12:21:48 AM »
I never really cared for watermelons until growing my own.  They are so tastey and refeshing.  Everyone should grow them.  They are easy to grow and fast. 

Picked this beauty today.  23lb "desert king" watermelon.  We already picked a few and they are excellent.

"85 days. This watermelon produces 20-lb fruits that have a light pea-green rind that is resistant to sunburning. It is also one of the most drought-resistant varieties of watermelon known. It has sweet, yellow flesh and is very popular in the watermelon-growing areas of Arkansas. Good for storage."



Had the bottle of vodka leftover from thanksgiving a few years ago out in the garage fridge.  I think its a sign to mix the 2.


Hey Brad,
      Those look awesome!  Makes me want to give it a shot. 
Where did you purchase the seeds for them 2 varieties if I may ask?
I actually just had my first taste of yellow watermelon about 2 weeks ago and they were so good and sweet.  My mother in law purchased them at a Chinese market. 
She had it all cut up and in the fridge when I had arrived from work.  It hit the spot on a hot day!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: San Diego garden photos
« on: July 27, 2018, 03:58:18 PM »
Some recent photos of my yard



Heres a new area Im going to put 25 or 30 mango trees on.  Theres 12 or so there now.


This plumeria I got a stick off a golf course in Kauai on my honeymoon.  This year will be our 10th aniversery.


Some fruit trees and bushes



Young ardith tree grows really nice.  No problems in the heat.


CA rolls and home grown avo, extra avo please.  Wish sashimi grew on trees.


Sweet tart seedling



DF blooms





Big Passifloras



Raja puri bananas



6 month old stone fruit trees look great.



Seed solos from a few months ago.  These things love heat.



Now growing fast in ground



Poms



Watermelon patch June 1st


8 weeks later



Mandarin fruit set


A few mango seeds



GH saves my plants in the heatwave



Some tomatoes.  Single vine cherries



DF plants



Keep the bees and birds happy



Any day now on these........



Lychee and grapes



Guava fruit set


Hey Spaugh,
Hope all is well and that you are surviving this heat!
Great to see your progress.  Keep up the great work, and keep posting the awesome pictures!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 27, 2018, 12:58:48 AM »
Lionking,

  the sun rise on East and fall on West. The side that get morning sun is the East side.

Lionking means that he has a taller block wall on the west and east sides of his property.  So his post is a correct statement.  I have a similar situation as to what he described.

Yes Warren,  you are absolutely correct. 
My thought is that as the sun rises,  it would shine on my trees in the early morning heating them up gradually as the day goes by.  Where as in the mid to late afternoon when sun is at full heat,  it is scorching the trees till goes down.
The taller block wall on the west side will be providing the shade and some relief to the trees near it towards the end of the day.
So I am curious if that is a good idea or should I leave them where they are at on the east side?

Lionking....it's okay to leave  them on the east side block wall.  I have 7 trees on the east side wall and 3 trees on the west side wall.  They all seem to be doing equally well.  Of course the trees along the north side wall get the most sun...but also got scorched the most too.

Thanks Warren,  that will save me from some back pain.
After having some losses,  I was beginning to overthink things I guess...lol
Yes Iím willing to do anything to keep from losing my mango trees and any future grafts.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 27, 2018, 12:40:11 AM »
Lionking,

  the sun rise on East and fall on West. The side that get morning sun is the East side.

Lionking means that he has a taller block wall on the west and east sides of his property.  So his post is a correct statement.  I have a similar situation as to what he described.

Yes Warren,  you are absolutely correct. 
My thought is that as the sun rises,  it would shine on my trees in the early morning heating them up gradually as the day goes by.  Where as in the mid to late afternoon when sun is at full heat and shining on the east side of my property, it is scorching the trees till it goes down.
The taller block wall on the west side will be providing the shade and some relief to the trees near it towards the end of the day.
So I am curious if that is a good idea or should I leave them where they are at on the east side?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 27, 2018, 12:23:41 AM »
Lionking, I would put them into ground once they stay in your pot for 6 weeks or so, carefully put one in ground and then next after first makes it.
Mid 90's in corona is perfect weather. What is your forecast?


Hey Behl,

Thanks for the info. 
The forecast for my areas next 10 days is ... 98 tomorrow, 95 Saturday, then 98 and 99 the next 8 days.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 26, 2018, 08:39:18 PM »
The first heat wave was brutal.  This one didnít do as much damage but still did a number on my grafts that were still holding on.  Like Frank,  I also lost my multi branch graft as well as one mango tree with Lemon Meringue graft has bitten the dust. 
On another note,  my lemon zest is pushing new growth as well as my Pineapple pleasure and my new Orange Sherbet trees are liking the heat.   I have kept the 2 OS trees indoors by the slider glass door for heat and ventilation.  They are looking real nice.
One question I do have.... at my house, my yard gets the early sun on the west side of my property with shade on the east side where I have been keeping my potted trees. Towards the evening,  the sun is beaming the east side of my yard where my trees are while the west side is now getting shade.  My question is...should I move my plants to get the early sun on the west side instead of keeping them in the early shade?  I feel that the later heat/sun that is hitting the trees is more intense .
Any thoughts or advice is appreciated.  Am I wrong in thinking that way?  Does the afternoon heat do better for the trees?

You asked for advice so here it goes from 3000 miles away.
Fruit trees are 5-10-15-20 years projects.
So do the utmost to shield your fruit trees from what is passing and temporary and just this year.

SHEILD them via extra hose watering and shading them and you will be rewarded in future years as they thrive.

Thanks zands

Just looked at the forecast for the next 10 days and itís not going to be cooling off anytime soon.
I will be shielding come tomorrow. 
Although the forecast says it wonít be in the triple digits for the next 10 days,  it will still be quite warm.
We will be cooling down to 95 on Saturday.  All the other days on the forecast show 98 and 99 degrees.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 26, 2018, 07:36:23 PM »
Also lost my Lychee 😩😩

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 26, 2018, 07:34:58 PM »
The first heat wave was brutal.  This one didnít do as much damage but still did a number on my grafts that were still holding on.  Like Frank,  I also lost my multi branch graft as well as one mango tree with Lemon Meringue graft has bitten the dust. 
On another note,  my lemon zest is pushing new growth as well as my Pineapple pleasure and my new Orange Sherbet trees are liking the heat.   I have kept the 2 OS trees indoors by the slider glass door for heat and ventilation.  They are looking real nice.
One question I do have.... at my house, my yard gets the early sun on the west side of my property with shade on the east side where I have been keeping my potted trees. Towards the evening,  the sun is beaming the east side of my yard where my trees are while the west side is now getting shade.  My question is...should I move my plants to get the early sun on the west side instead of keeping them in the early shade?  I feel that the later heat/sun that is hitting the trees is more intense .
Any thoughts or advice is appreciated.  Am I wrong in thinking that way?  Does the afternoon heat do better for the trees?

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Thanks for sharing your knowledge Warren. Hope I can make it!
By the way,  will you be bringing some of your favorite mangos so that we too can have a mango tasting feast like the Florida crew? ....lol
Just throwing it out there 🤔🤔🤔🤔

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Mexican lemon tree Advice
« on: July 21, 2018, 12:21:05 AM »
LionKing, you need to feed your tree with real fertilizer.  Citrus absorb nutrients in a 5-1-3 ratio, meaning for every 5 parts nitrogen, the tree will also absorb 1 part phosphorous and 3 parts potassium.  From my experience, you can throw away "Superthrive", its pretty much worthless. Citrus are heavy feeders, requiring more nutrition than many plants.  Find a fertilizer with a formula that is higher in nitrogen and potassium that also  contains trace minerals, and feed your tree 4 times during the season.  You should have started a good fertilizer program for your tree last March.  You are starving the poor tree. Good fortune to this trees.

I failed to state that I did fertilize it with Osmocote 14-14-14 in March.  About a month after that I fed it with Dr. Earth organic fruit tree fertilizer 5-5-2, 
3 weeks after not seeing any new leaf growth, I fed it with Alaska fish fertilizer 5-5-1
So at that point,  It did start showing new leafs growing but only on the upper part of the tree.
But then that stopped as well.  At this point,  I was thinking that I am doing more damage than good by giving it all these different fertilizers.
I think it was mid to late May and I tried yet one more fertilizer.... Happy frog fruit and flower...5-8-4.
Did I over do it?   Thatís one of the reasons Iíve been giving it Superthrive and sea Kelp lately.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kesar Mangos
« on: July 20, 2018, 05:49:25 PM »
Forgot to mention,  they also had some Lychee for sale.  The variety was not labeled but it was tasty.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Kesar Mangos
« on: July 20, 2018, 05:44:28 PM »
Stopped by Pioneer ash and Carry today hoping to buy some India variety Mangos.
Unfortunately At this time,  they only had green mangos which a worker said from Mexico...nice lrg mangos... sold individually and Lrg Kent Mangos 6 to a box.  The price was not listed so I passed on them and purchased several green mangos.
Still wanting to get some India variety mangos,  I decided to stop at Surati Cash and Carry diagonally across the street from Pioneer cash and carry.  They too only had the Kent Mangos from Mexico for $5.99 but speaking to the owner, he informed me that he was receiving a shipment of Kesar mangos later today around 4pm. He said he was only receiving 20 boxes and that they would go fast so wanted to share the info for all you India mango aficionados.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian pizza
« on: July 20, 2018, 11:50:48 AM »
looks good, but Durian is acquired taste. I cant even describe how I felt after I smelled it once in Singapore. OMG, I threw up. No offence to Durian lovers here. But this darn thing is holy moly!

Sorry, didnít mean to laugh.  Yes it is definitely an acquired taste. 
I laugh because I myself gaged when I first smelled and tried it.  But I must say.  It was more about the smell and texture at first.  The taste was not bad.  After a couple of spoonfuls,  the taste made me overcome the bad smell and I learned to like it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian pizza
« on: July 20, 2018, 11:41:44 AM »
looks good, but Durian is acquired taste. I cant even describe how I felt after I smelled it once in Singapore. OMG, I threw up. No offence to Durian lovers here. But this darn thing is holy moly!

LMAO 😂

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Mexican lemon tree Advice
« on: July 20, 2018, 11:38:15 AM »
The lime does look spindly.  Is it getting enough sun (like at least 6 hours, or more)?  Enough fertilizer? The fig behind it looks healthy enough.  It and that tree may be taking all the nutrients. Does the fig produce fruit?  If not there may be a shade or insufficient fertilizer regime.

The fig is producing lots of fruit.  As for the tree,  it is getting at least 8 hrs of sun.
I have been watering it at least every other day and giving it Superthrive every other watering.  I have just started to add sea kelp with the Superthrive. About 3 feedings ago?
Is that enough?  Should I also give it some slow release fertilizer?  I donít want to overdo it...
By the way,  thanks for the help

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Citrus General Discussion / Mexican lemon tree Advice
« on: July 19, 2018, 07:07:35 PM »
I need some help....advice on what I might need to do to get my Mexican Lemon tree to grow leaves.
The tree is still growing.... slowly that is but it doesnít seem to grow any leaves on the lower branches.
I hate seeing it like this.  Is there anything I can do or nutrients I can give it to help it grow more leaves?
Here are a few pictures...









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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 19, 2018, 06:32:03 PM »
Itís sounding like we AZ growers need to pass along a few tricks to our so. Cal brothers.  In no particular order....50% ( min) shade cloth on the west side for at least the first summer ( maybe two depending on growth rate).  Larger root mass= better survival rate, so I mostly plant 7 gal trees, minimum.  IF you have good drainage, mangos can handle a lot of water.  If not, they rot out during heatwaves when you water every two days.  I do DEEP watering three or four times in the spring to encourage deep rooting.
 I grow a variety of silica accumulating plants to use as mulch, Vetiver grass topping that list.  I also spray a few times in the spring to make sure the plant accumulated enough silica to withstand the heat.  I also have worked to develop a microclimate that provides shade and humidity.  Fast growing trees that can be chopped down in a few years are a great way of accomplishing this (morniga, tipu, ash,jacaranda, etc).
Plants have to be in good shape by the time June hits.  I will gladly sacrifice a little growth in the spring by not pushing fruiting too young in order to have a healthier tree with better caliper growth.
I dig planting holes a year in advance and provide a lot of drainage via gravel, stones, pumice, etc. mixed with my planting mix.  This allows compensation for settling, as well as establishment of fungal populations which can help augment roots.  I will also will plant in Fall and baby plants thru winter if they are slower growing varieties.  That gives a bit more root mass by the time June hits the next year.  I can more easily compensate for our cool temps than I can for our brutal, dry summers....Fast growers like LZ and Peach Cobbler always do better in our heat than slower varieties.  Dig BIG planting holes so roots can spread as fast as possible. 
As long as the trees are in good shape during heat, I continue to fertilize lightly with fish emulsion (50% of recommended rate).  This seems to allow for rapid recovery once our temps cool a bit and humidity rises again.  If not in good shape, focus on moisture management and just getting the tree to survive.  Danger zone is >105 and/or winds.  I ignore crispy leaves and any crisped new growth and focus on keeping soil moist, not soggy, and do a quick hand misting in the AM and evenings to provide some relief to the younger plants.
Finally, I find a bit of amino acids and maybe a little superthrive seems to help avoid the worst damage.  Absolutely avoid strong fertilization during heat.  Trying to help by adding too much Ďstuffí to your regimen is counter productive.
I hope this helps people.  We in AZ are in uncharted territory when it comes to growing mango, so I hope my observations can help others avoid the 10 years of mistakes I have made.

Thanks for the advice DesertDreamer,
We have some triple digit weather forecasted for our area of So.Cal starting this coming Monday the 23rd lasting thru Thursday the 26.   Hottest days being Tues and Wed. @ 104.
Your advice came at the perfect time.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Site Outage
« on: July 16, 2018, 09:07:21 PM »
Anything to help, Count me in,  I up for donating!
Thank you for your services Jeff.

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Hard to keep the upright shoots at 18í.....ideally you want to keep yr trees at 9-12í prune heavy in spring and tip in fall to control size.


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Nice looking trees Frank.
How tall do you let them get?  Reason I am asking is my father has a tree that needs tipping and pruning.
The tree has never had either.  It is a tall tree about 16 to 18 ft. 
It is it not a full healthy looking tree like yours but does have a lot of flowers rt now.
I am actually trying to get out there to his house to hand pollinate.  My father was not aware that hand pollinating was necessary.  He has only managed to get a handful of fruit in the last couple of yrs.
I myself am new to Cherimoya.  Have never tasted one but am looking forward to trying for the first time.
Behl, you, and a few others have inspired me to try out more than just mangos.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee grafting experiments
« on: July 12, 2018, 12:01:24 AM »
Quick update of my Emperor Lychee innarched onto seedling rootstock. It is pushing a nice small flush. The tree is in a very small tall pot and I need to up pot it but Iím going to wait till the flush hardens first.



Simon


Looking good Simon! 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rabbit or Squirrel or Skunk
« on: July 11, 2018, 06:36:02 PM »
I finally got that burden of a squirrel. One shot, one kill!
 I can now be at ease for a bit when my new OS trees get here this Friday.  Until then,  I will keep an eye out to see if there are any others around.  I know that this one is the evil doer because it takes the same route every time I would see it.
As for the one bite bar. I have only been dropping it in the gopher holes and in the one squirrel hole thatís in my yard.  I did use this piece that is in the picture to lure the squirrel and to keep it steady for the shot.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 09, 2018, 06:48:40 PM »



Well looking at the lemon zest, it did take more damage to the new growth than I thought. But it still seems like it takes the heat much better than my sweet tart, and definitely Coconut Cream. Maybe about the same as Keitt and "manilla" mango. The Coconut Cream may be delicious but it isn't particularly tough. Doesn't seem to deal with the cold or extreme heat well.



I agree. My lemon zest flushed through the heat with no negative effects. You can see the flush with no spray on it. Thee are even new flushes today. Still going.




What's all that white stuff on the leaves?

Khaled,  is that sunscreen? 
I use a sunscreen from IV organics specifically made for trees.  Also repels pest

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