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My tree looks like zands' -- ie, it's loaded with fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bacterial spot on rosigold mangoes
« on: June 17, 2018, 10:49:26 AM »
OK. That does not look like MBBS. Probably just a split due to the rain that got infected.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado tree getting too much water??
« on: June 15, 2018, 09:20:49 PM »
Why woodchips vs sand for mounding?

This is how I plant mine and my yard doesn't even flood. They really like heavy mulch.

Interesting info. Thanks.

A few weeks ago the Florida Dept of Ag inspector told me they believed the mite is restricted to the north end of Pine Island, called Bokeelia. This Wednesday the FL. Dept of Ag stopped by my neighbor's Lychee grove and gave notice that all Bokeelia Lychee is under quarantine. I spoke to the inspector who was getting compliance agreements signed.
Movement of plant material off farms is prohibited, fruit can be shipped out of state or into Lee County only, but leaves and stems must be removed. The Erinose Mite creates a shelter which makes it resistant to any pesticide, so affected trees must be pruned of all affected growth which means heavy pruning. FLDept.of AG is seeking a contractor to provide major pruning of all existing trees, which should be followed up by spraying as regrowth occurs. This needs to be done as thoroughly and as close to simultaneously as possible across the affected area to prevent reinfection from untreated trees. That is the most up-to-date information I have.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweet tart mango
« on: June 15, 2018, 10:59:46 AM »
It's typical for older leaves to yellow and fall off.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado leaves full of holes
« on: June 15, 2018, 10:58:33 AM »
I've been seeing this a lot lately. When I inspect at night, the culprit is a very small brown beetle. I have no idea what the beetle is.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lone lychee
« on: June 14, 2018, 10:37:51 PM »
Lychee fruit lose some flavor if allowed to hang too long on the tree. And, the mauritius I've had so far this year were a little watered down.

However, my SweetHeart -- which gave me a grand total of 4 fruits this year -- were ridiculously delicious, just like in years past. This is the 3rd year in a row that it's borne fruit, on a tree planted in 2011 if memory serves. This year's crop would have been a lot better if hurricane Irma hadn't torn it apart. It's never given me more than a few pounds of fruit though.

If memory serves, your tree is also a SweetHeart. It's a bit odd that it hasn't fruited yet, as it had already fruited for me in the pot before it made its way to your yard, and your tree is older than mine which has borne thrice to date. It seems like there is some environmental situation that it's not fond of.

At any rate, the SweetHeart should be blissfully sweet with a hint of tart and a floral note that rounds out what is an exquisitely delicious fruit. When it starts bearing, you will understand why you waited so long.

PS -- that tree should be somewhere around 14 years old by now. It originally came from ECHO as a nice 7 gallon in 2006.

Highly doubt they are cutting lychees down.

I did get a call from the ag dept asking if I had spotted this pest in our orchard.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bacterial spot on rosigold mangoes
« on: June 14, 2018, 11:33:25 AM »
Alex, the middle fruit in the middle picture does have a fissure that looks more characteristic of MBBS.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Nam doc Mai Mango 2018
« on: June 14, 2018, 11:25:35 AM »
In general, the trick to adding flavor complexity (ie, acidity) to a climacteric fruit is to pick it mature green and ripen indoors. This holds true even for jackfruit -- which if left to ripen on the tree retain zero acidity and are a little bland for my taste. But, it does take some trial and error, as one needs to be able to judge when the fruit is ready to be picked.

Most novices (including myself when I was new at this) believe that best flavor and sugar development is obtained when mangoes are allowed to ripen on tree. This is not true. Moreover, if fruit is prone to internal break down (ie, jelly seed), picking early mitigates the issue.

The fruit in the picture probably would have been good 2 - 3 days prior to when the picture was taken. I typically eat mine when the skin is totally green still. It takes some experimentation / trial and error to find the right stage. But once you find it, NDM is a top tier mango.

When allowed to fully ripen, NDM has a bit of a "nutty" flavor, which can be a bit offputting to the typical North American consumer.

I've already harvested about 1/2 of my NDM tree. Cutting the fruit a little early causes it to retain acidity.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweet tart mango
« on: June 13, 2018, 12:41:15 PM »
My favorite mango to date.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pina Colada Mango
« on: June 13, 2018, 10:51:58 AM »
I haven't noticed any increased disease issues due to dwarfing rootstock.

I guess this totally depends on situation. If one is only growing a couple of trees and desiring a large shade tree, then a full-size rootstock is more appropriate. However, when one has dozens of mature trees, pruning turns into a literal multi-month chore each and every summer -- which is doubly painful in the hot / humid weather and in addition to the normal maintenance activities (eg, fertilization, spraying, weeding, etc).

There is also a difference of perspective based on where one is in their growing journey. At the outset (the first 5 - 7 years), everyone looks forward to seeing rapid growth on their new trees. But when the maintenance kicks in and becomes the major component of one's free time, perspective tends to take a turn towards looking for less maintenance and more free time :-).

I greatly dislike dwarfing root stock and will probably never purchase another mango tree that I know is on dwarfing rootstock. My most disliked tree is my about 5-6 year old planted Pickering. It's still less than 3 1/2 feet from ground to top and it produces way too few mangos for it's spot in the sand in my yard.

In my yard, I think it's best to have trees that will quickly grow through fungus & other disease attacks. It reminds me of citrus and citrus greening/canker etc. The trees need to grow grow grow through any attacks... This dwarfing root stock does not cut it in my opinion... I have no problem trimming a healthy fast growing big tree, but if a small slow growing tree picks up a diseased area, it's hard to remove the area if small & it helps to have plenty of healthy limbs to cut off this affected area.

I would like to see all mangos in pots labeled as to rootstock type so I could avoid buying any dwarfing root stock. This would also make it easier for condo growers to identify & purchase these dwarf trees instead of me.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pina Colada Mango
« on: June 12, 2018, 05:45:47 PM »
I love PC. One of my favorite mangoes. My tree has an excellent crop this year. Last couple of years, it failed to flower much; it also hasn't grown much -- which is fine by me (less pruning). Mine was on one of those "dwarfing" rootstocks that Gary Zill was playing with.

Looks like a Keitt? I see what appears to be MBBS on the mango in the background.

What's wrong with my buddies tree?

At first sign of give when squeezed firmly with tip of thumb. Might take a little trial and error.


How do you tell when it's time to pick? Is there any blush showing and is the fruit hard or have a little
give to it when squeezed?

Many early season mangoes have been bland this year. Rosigold can be really good, and Angie can easily best a carrie -- and many other mangoes -- or it can be bland. I would hold any opinions in abeyance until you get to sample a representative specimen of both.

Surprised that your duncan was good. Those are normally bland early season.

Don't pan a mango until you've had it over multiple seasons and at varying stages of ripeness. It took me about 3 years before I finally figured out MC's sweet spot. Now, it's one of my favorites.

The trick with many of the SE asian mangoes is to eat them a little green, where the flavor profile is a complex mix of sweet and tart. Eat them fully ripe, and the experience can be disappointing for the typical North American palate.

Along with NDM, Maha Chanok is one of the most over rated mangoes IMHO.  Maybe if you like "one note" asian mangoes you might like it.  But both myself & friends didn't give it a good score for flavor in a mango tasting & comparison session.  A lot of people seem to think it's great tho.  If only they tasted as good as they look.

My thought was that it was fungal, and therefore not an issue, but not sure.

Not sure I would recommend bamboo there. It cold potentially cause the brick wall to crack as the clump gets bigger.

I would probably be considering something small and bushy, like a eugenia. I'm used to longan trees wanting a good bit of space... but I'm not in socal.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee air layering this time of year
« on: June 06, 2018, 06:28:55 PM »
Top most roots should be just a hair beneath the surface.

I am trying to airlayer a Alano sapodilla and longan.
I have seen youtube videos and saw the amount of roots to expect.
My question is how deep do you bury the roots in the pot?
Do you bury at the surface or go down 6 inches? It seems like
if the branch is too deep it could cause issues? If you bury at the
surface you should stake?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee air layering this time of year
« on: June 06, 2018, 02:57:20 PM »
Now is a great time to layer lychees.

I've heard that before. Yet, I've never detected anything strange. MC is best when eaten just a tad green.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar Apple variety big red ?
« on: June 05, 2018, 04:59:25 PM »
The purple color sounds about right for the "big red." When they get big enough, the color can lighten a little.

I have not noted any flavor differences between red and green.

Green leaf hopper stunts many species of annona here. Judging by the giant, beautiful leaves in your picture, you don't have leaf hoppers.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango - What am I doing wrong?
« on: June 05, 2018, 04:54:33 PM »
You can still prune, and don't be afraid to lop off even the thick taproot if it's circling. I do it all the time.

The chalkiness aspect can be mitigated by allowing to ripen further.

I haven't yet had cotton candy, and I've only had a handful of PP and FP. But, LZ would be my favorite of the ones I've tried, with PC coming pretty close to the flavor awesomeness of an LZ.

I assume you already have Sweet Tart. That one is a winner.

I hear ya Jeff.  The difference in season and size of the LZ is definitely a plus, but I can't deal with the 'chalkiness' to the spicy, floral taste and scent of some cultivars like Bombay, Julie, Florigon, etc., chalkiness is my biggest turn off. I have no tolerance for it. But to be honest, I've never noticed that personally in a LZ. 

Jeff, in your personal opinion, would you prefer LZ to some of the other new Zill offerings, such as Cotton Candy, Pina Colada, Pineapple Pleasure, or Fruit Punch ??  Purely on a taste basis....size, production, season, etc. aside.    I'm planning on ripping out a stunted jackfruit tree and replacing it with either a White Sapote or one of the above mentioned mango cultivars.

LZ normally ripen in July / Aug around here. So any LZ eaten now (early June) are early and bland -- compost fodder.

PPK and LZ are nearly identical. There are only 2 substantial differences: PPK is smaller and earlier.

LZ develops a richer ("chalkier") flavor (I think it's due to more calcium?), but the flavor is nearly identical. I think LZ may have higher brix, due to being mid - late in season. The PPK I've been harvesting have been between good and great, with brix in the 16's. LZ, when harvested in season, has brix values above 20. But, typically, early season mangoes taste sweeter. It's not until the season runs on for a month or two that one builds up a "tolerance" to the sweetness, which leaves later season mangoes feeling roughly the same in terms of brix. But the meter does not lie :D.

PPK and LZ should both be planted if you have the space, since their season is completely different.

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