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seed should be just under the surface mate....not 3 inches down......you can also try that cocktail sticks skewered over a glass of water thing but ive never had a joy with that......hunt on you tube.

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I have found the same here in Perth.......In the heat of summer i place my containers so they get morning sun only....until 1pm and then they are shaded........I have three trees that receive little sun in my courtyard with roof cover and dappled light and they all look healthy........I have mixed results with the 4 i have in the ground that are in full sun.......i reckon they need gradual conditioning to full sun...........In winter time.....the sun sits lower........so i move my trees closer to the house......and under the eaves........they still get the same amount of sun but boy does it rain through winter here.......its rained for the last week...every day......My newly seeded lawn is going for it !
I find the only trees that like full sun in perth are mango"s and Papaya.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: what deficiency please?
« on: May 31, 2018, 12:09:40 PM »
Thanks Millet......I thought so.........my trees are in very sandy soil......so i will sprinkle some epsom salts around them.

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Citrus General Discussion / what deficiency please?
« on: May 30, 2018, 02:15:04 AM »
This leaf is off my lime tree....i suspect its a magnesium deficiency...Am i right please? or is it iron?


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Have to agree with bush....shes a hard road back to recovery when half the roots have gone........dont give up on them....you never know but id say learn from it and buy a new healthy tree and dont add anything that hangs onto water........I use potting mixes devoid of water storage crystals and we have 40 plus C here....I use a barky mix.....you could add perlite to aerate it and that holds water and nutrients as well....Avo's are notoriously fussy for wet feet matey....Good luck.
p.s I bought some hydrogen peroxide 6% today.

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True millet.........over feeding is just as bad as overwatering....because too much feed and the plant stops absorbing nutrients (which looks like nutrient deficiency)....I have been a serial over waterer and a serial over feeder in my time.....Both cause problems.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Leaving fruit on young lemon tree
« on: May 25, 2018, 07:07:26 AM »
Could you buy a regular keyboard, with ".?,;:!" and so on?
. and ... means two very different things.

Thank you.
hahah....I have a regular keyboard and i do what i want with it dood. :o

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Sounds tough......irrigation is relative to the time of year...........I think you have done the right thing and they just need time to recover ......when planted in the ground they quite often plant them in raised beds with leaves and loose stuff....so the roots can dry..............I reckon let it dry out big time and give it some sun but not strong sun..............let it dry nicely....to at least medium on your meter......then get the hydrogen peroxide and add that to your water in a watering can.......leave for 10 mins......It can revive a knackered tree mate because it purifies the water and adds oxygen to the mix........Growth will be slow for now but spring time and warmer temps......do that and it could all go off.........Those roots need to be creamy white/tan before you can expect joy from the top......Get your roots happy and she will recover........do a google search on hydrogen peroxide for trees with wet feet.   3% 6% .....20% and food grade.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Leaving fruit on young lemon tree
« on: May 24, 2018, 11:06:52 AM »
Amazing tree!  More amazing is that people don't just take the fruit planted as it is next to the sidewalk. Does this tree produce like this every year?
I had a mandarin near it as well........what happened with that tree was quite strange........I lived with my ex and her parents and the tree never did very well......we split and she took her parents away.......I pruned the tree hard.......my next door neighbour thought it was severe and would probably die.........It went nuts !..............only once did i get people helping themselves to my mandarin and i spat the dummy on them and there were 5 or 6 of them too........with a young boy....doing work on next doors house...........Nobody ever stole my lemons but i had an indian lady come a knocking asking if she could have a few..........I left that house in 2012 ....so i have no idea how its going now....but that tree came to life when that lot left !
     I also had two feijoa trees on that front lawn...one was a standard feijos and the other was an Apollo (Best variety for me).....I once had a feijoa of that ...that was the size of a big triumph pear....it was bloody huge and full of goey pulp to within 5 mm of the skin.....only happened once but she was huge.........I cant get an apollo over here because WA wont allow them over from eastern Australia....which pisses me off because feioas are already here ! but no variety of choice....You can actually see some of the branches of the feijoa in the back ground but in front of the car........I had two of them which i bought as metre high trees.........lived at a house for 4 or 5 years........moved to this house.....dug them both up and stuck them in my car.....my whole car was full of trees...could only use my side mirrors.......then stuck em in there.

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Not too bad...I must have killed 20 haahha

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I think the ideal is to transplant when the pot is full of rootball.........I transplanted a papaya the other day....i just lifted it straight out the pot and it was one big rootball.......lightly roughed the outside inch and put in a pot 2 - 4 inch bigger all around...........You can tell when its rootbound because it wont stay wet for 2 minutes......next day.....its dry again......
If you have those brown mushy roots which are dead.....you have to prune them off.....put in fresh mix......give it a water(perhaps with hydrogen peroxide 3%).........this helps provide oxygen to the roots which they have been lacking......then put your tree in the shade to settle down and check every day with your meter.......let it dry out some....then you know you are getting new root growth........I never water two days in a row....If its really hot...I give trees a big soak early morning ready for the hot day.

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I have an 82 year old friend who is in to growing citrus....hes been getting plagued by leaf miner as well.......they are supposed to appear in autmn for the autumn growth flush but they were here from spring this year....I spray with neem oil every 14 days.....
The one in the ground are going well.......90% of the ones in pots are going well ....I have them in morning sun ...until about 1pm.......then they are out of the extreme heat........when autumn comes...i put them in full time sun.....its just started winter....so i will stop feeding them now.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Leaving fruit on young lemon tree
« on: May 23, 2018, 10:51:33 AM »
Thanks millet.......my big meyer was a bit demanding for water in the summer mind ...with the terracotta........In spring its going in an even bigger terracotta pot ! here is that pic from Auckland......a good few years back.......i used to get an indian lady after them and people used to stop and take pic s !







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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Leaving fruit on young lemon tree
« on: May 23, 2018, 10:38:21 AM »
meyer can do that.....i had a tree years ago with 50 fruits on it and i had already taken 20 odd........it was a dwarf tree too........my neighbor said it had more lemons  than leaves....I will try to post a pic.

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I dont go for organics in pots in a hurry either...except ferts.......if you mix in compost or place it on top of the mix....it tends to clog the air spaces in the mix which encourages the mix to stay wet.

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Brian is right......its always better to pot up...one stage at a time....a pot 2 to 4 inches bigger around.......teh roots never get to drink the water around the outside of the pot.....so its stagnates and remains wet.....the roots suffocate.....leaf drop and twig die back ensue........I killed heaps of trees like that.

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Z willus....I wouldnt just water around the boundary.....water the whole of the top of the pot......so its evenly watered through out but i swear by putting the fert around the outside of the pot only......no good directly over the rootball......once roots start going mushy/brown and stale.......Its a hard road to recovery.........If you prune the roots back.......then you should prune the top back a bit as well and put in a smaller pot....pot should be 2-4 inches bigger than the rootball.......The plant will have less leaves to transpire and less rootball to suck things up......
              If you go down that root......I wouldnt be feeding it all ...until recovery is well under way and only then very very lightly.
I am waiting for my reed to recover and the mix has just started to dry out a bit now........this will be a slow process because the roots have remained wet for too long and are not active.......Dont try to push the tree....dont expose it to the heat of the day either.....it wont cope........give it morning sun........preferably keep it elevated so air can go underneath and no mulch to help it aerate.......no food.......you are going to have to leave it to recover in its own good time i reckon.....Good luck.

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Id get that bloody mulch off as well........its spring time in the usa right? avos like warmth........looking at the bottom pic.......I reckon it can recover if you leave it alone for a while and get that mulch off ......so the sun can heat the mix up.........mulch when temps get hot mate.......no time else.
There has been a lack of oxygen in the roots due to the rootball staying wet for extended periods of time.......its been suffocating my friend.
 when the pot dries out.......it leaves air pockets in the mix so the roots can breathe....its like a human with a bag over its head which has small holes in it....."let the dryness be with you "

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Did you mix any slow release fert in with your mix?............I have a theory and i am sticking to it........In the past i mixed slow release ferts in with the mix and over the top of the rootball.......this burnt the roots.......I also tried sprinkling some under the rootball and then a little mix on top of that as well.............a lot of my plants never spread out with their roots......they just got wet and the rootball never grew.......
my method that i use now on all my pots is this=
I dont mix in any ferts at planting/transplanting at all.............I let the tree settle for a couple of weeks and then i rough around the edge of the pot with a stick and sprinkle a small amount of slow release organic fert around the outside of the pot....I do that monthly......
       Its a bit like smelling KFC from a distance to the rootball.........as you water it slowly moves down the side of the pot.........the plant smells it and thinks yummy........give me some of that but it has to walk 3k to get to the store.......roots never get burnt......roots have to search out for the food....rootball expands/more establishment.........if the food is just there or underneath the rootball.........the roots have no motivation to grow out and into your fresh mix..its already there for them.....the number of dead trees i have removed from pots and the roots have never grown out!
       Leave your roots to dry out a bit and when they are good.......you will see some new healthy leaves appear.....let them get going a bit and when you see this new growth.....dont feed then.....or over water then either.........let it recover........once it starts to develop a fair few leaves etc........small amount around the outside of the pot(when it needs to be watered).........the roots will be active and happy ....sucking up stuff when they are not wet !.....thats when you are being kind to your tree.....let it have plenty of time away from being WET.....small monthly feeds around the outside of the pot...is where its at...........all my plants  have improved no end by doing this and the food i give it is awesome.....it makes everything go big and green....good luck buddy. p.s the roots are like a good women.......you need to tease them a bit !

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Brian... over time your soil will repel water ...hence it traveling down the sides and not wetting properly.....add a few drops of washing liquid(biodegradable) to your watering can (9 litres ) and give your pots a good wash........i believe its called hydrophobic but dont quote me on that......that will make the rootball wet up properly.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Growing lemons from seed?
« on: May 13, 2018, 12:45:25 PM »
All i know is citrus leafminer love lemon tree leaves.....the priks.

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here brian......the top picks are of a wet reed avo.....you cant see the moisture meter reading but its on the max(wet) and has been there for a while now.........you can see the brown and curled leaves like yours.......
under that are the feurte .....and hass is the bottom one.........they have all been kept a round moist.......there is the one pic of the moisture meter down about 6 inches and then down to its max and deeper...........both trees kept away from saturation are figuring better.....your mix is holding too much moisture and could go weeks and weeks without drying out....esp as you lose leaves.....less leaves equals less transpiration and therefore need to suck moisture from the mix........its all relative......the peat and coir are the culprits....not needed..use the KISS technique...Hope that helps mate.

















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here brian......the top picks are of a wet reed avo.....you cant see the moisture meter reading but its on the max(wet) and has been there for a while now.........you can see the brown and curled leaves like yours.......
under that are the feurte .....and hass is the bottom one.........they have all been kept a round moist.......there is the one pic of the moisture meter down about 6 inches and then down to its max and deeper...........both trees kept away from saturation are figuring better.....your mix is holding too much moisture and could go weeks and weeks without drying out....esp as you lose leaves.....less leaves equals less transpiration and therefore need to suck moisture from the mix........its all relative......the peat and coir are the culprits....not needed....Hope that helps mate.

















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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Leaving fruit on young lemon tree
« on: May 13, 2018, 03:54:12 AM »
3 on the front....1 on the back..1 on side.....dwarf meyer....I like terracotta ,even in our hot climate.


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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Leaving fruit on young lemon tree
« on: May 13, 2018, 02:39:08 AM »
no probs......i will post a pic.......i have a small tree but the 5 lemons look really good on it.

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