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RALK ON! The FSHS article that Mrs Ledesma and Dr Campbell wrote said that the grafts usually push within 4 weeks, so you should be seeing some activity pretty soon! I'm not selling mine; it's going into the ground!

Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 03, 2012, 06:39:47 PM

Mr Adam, how did your inverted graft go?

Out of my 10 seeds, 4 sprouted, and only 2 of those had thick enough roots / sufficient vigor to graft. Both of mine are still alive and one looks like it's unfurling a new set of leaves. I be pretty excited.

If we could get access to green sapote seeds here in FL, we could crank out a lot of these babies. But then Gary Zill would catch on and drive us all out of the market with production-line quality inverted green sap grafts. Heck I guess that might not be so bad .. 'cause I'd buy mine from him :-).

scions are still alive and look like they are swelling, but have not pushed yet...I did two wrapped with buddy tape (leaves removed), and one a few days ago with a bag over top and a few leaves left on, and cut in half.

we shall see!  I hope at least two make it...I will keep you posted oookiemon.

thanks for inspiring me to attempt this graft

Nah, she wasn't all that fond of it. It was too sour for her :-).

Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 02, 2012, 12:26:56 PM

Yep, coco cream is more spreading and LZ is more upright.

I also finally got to try the Sweet Tart. That's one heck of a mango. It's sweet and creamy with a nice resinous scent right next ot the skin and a strong amount of tart. Nice orange flesh.

Quote from: Tropicdude on July 02, 2012, 12:18:27 PM

I have noticed my CC having more of a spreading habit. compared to the LZ and MC.  CC seems more vigorous than MC also.  too early to tell with my LZ as I picked that one up in April,  but it did send out new leaves right away after my pugging and bare rooting it for shipping.

Just how I remember it...and precisely why I didn't like it.  Did Elsie like it ?

Yep, coco cream is more spreading and LZ is more upright.

I also finally got to try the Sweet Tart. That's one heck of a mango. It's sweet and creamy with a nice resinous scent right next ot the skin and a strong amount of tart. Nice orange flesh.

I have noticed my CC having more of a spreading habit. compared to the LZ and MC.  CC seems more vigorous than MC also.  too early to tell with my LZ as I picked that one up in April,  but it did send out new leaves right away after my pugging and bare rooting it for shipping.

The LZ is a vigorous upright grower.

I can't wait to eat more lemon zest mangoes next season. My lemon zest mango has already doubled in size and is growing almost as quickly as my valencia pride. I'm pretty sure it will be large enough to give a decent crop during next mango season. 

Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 01, 2012, 08:36:13 PM

HAHAHAHA I had both LZ and CC this year. LZ wins. The CC has a milder flavor, where the LZ is just in-your-face sweet and creamy yumminess.

Quote from: mangomandan on July 01, 2012, 11:50:20 AM

Sorry, Jeff.

But Rob's moving headline clearly trumps your bold type.

I too am glad I planted all three 

Them babies are yummy eaten fresh. Frozen mamey makes great shakes in the off-season.

My Pantin mamey's are slowly starting to ripen. Local sales are good. Mamey shakes are the best. If you have not tried a Mamey Shake, put it on your foodie bucket list! 
 

:-) A good portion of the new zill mangoes are like that, probably inherited from the Gary which many of them are crossed with. 'Chalky' mango seems to stand up to internal break-down very well. More importantly, there's something psychologically yummy about the texture -- I think because it reminds me of eating ice cream or mango sorbet. I consider the Edward to be slightly on the creamy (chalky) side too.

A lot of the haden-ish (eg, Kent) mangoes have a 'watery' texture, which I find boring. Then there are the gelatinous mangoes (eg, the lancetilla), which feel too slimy to me. Lastly there are the stringy mangoes, which are often very good but get stuck in my closely spaced teeth.

Quote from: Cookie Monster on June 30, 2012, 03:15:28 PM

Yep, very much so. I think some folks may call it 'chalky'. It's actually a very desirable mango characteristic from my perspective.

An interesting perspective.    I should revisit that possibility.

Yep, very much so. I think some folks may call it 'chalky'. It's actually a very desirable mango characteristic from my perspective.

Jeff,  do you detect a strange "starchy" quality to ValCarrie?     I think it's one of those things that some people notice and some don't.

I think where you're at in SoCal, you actually do have to worry about over watering. But here, it's so stinkin hot in the summer that humans don't survive without a/c, birds actually pant like dogs, and plants wilt just by thinking about the sun!

Sorry for the confusion. Right, the "don't overwater" should not be done as a single thing.

If your tree looks dry there are a number of possibilities:
1. the roots are not getting enough water
2. there aren't enough roots to absorb the water loss from sun and wind
3. the roots are mostly dead from previous neglect and it's not going to absorb enough no matter how much you give it

Without knowing what's going on, the general advice that solves all 3 cases are:
1. water once very deeply
2. put it in a cool location and give it high humidity, such as enclosing in a large platic bag under a large shade tree
3. don't overwater. Perform this step after you have done the above.

You need to water it more. Considering the large size of the tree and the crazy hot weather here (ie, the normal FL summer), you need to thoroughly water that baby every single day. It looked great in the nursery because the nursery owner waters the trees very consistently. I've seen this happen numerous times to clients of mine. They will bring home a beautiful, healthy tree and then come back a week later with a dead or dying one due to obvious lack of watering. A lot of folks get confused with the "don't overwater" advice. However, during the blazing hot Florida summer, you can pretty much ignore that advice completely for potted trees -- especially water sensitive ones like the lychee or longan. You can very easily kill a 3 to 7 gallon sized lychee with 3 to 4 days without water during the summer.

Ohh. That's really interesting. If it tastes anything like a carrie, then it must be quite delicious.

Quote from: Cookie Monster on June 29, 2012, 04:43:25 PM

Interesting. The leaves and growth habit look like a carrie from a distance.

Yeah, IMO, it tastes like a Carrie Seedling.  Tree is Carrie like, but not quite as dense growing, with darker leaves .. At least thats how it is in my soil...

 Maybe Carrie x Alphonso ?

Yep. Normally the pseudo fruit is gross. This one is decent. There was one at the fruit and spice park that produced red pseudo fruits with no astringency at all. I had a tree that was a seedling from the FSP tree that also produced astringency free fruits. However, the winter of 2010 killed both my tree and the one at FSP. There are some cultivars of cashew that have no problem with our cold winters. Others die back severely when the temps drop below 33F.

Come on, this is tropical "fruit" forum not tropical "pseudocarp" or tropical "nut" forum (not counting the people), please try to keep on topic.  

That is AWESOME CM!  I've been growing one for fun more than eating because of the astringent tannins, it is exciting to hear that there are some seriously improved CVs. out there.  Plus the nut is huge, I wonder how it tastes after roasting?  Now to find seeds or scions........hey what is that over there? 

Nice job saving the genetics from extinction too, please put me on the very long waiting list for seeds/scions some day.

-Ethan

Yep. There are lots of variations. El Salvador has some sort of trade agreement with Brazil and imported a lot of interesting cultivars. There are various different colors, shapes, and sizes. Really neat.

Strange shaped fruit, usually they're much more elongated, not so flattened. Nuts look very big. Here cashew is susceptible to same problems as mango = anthracnose if rains are heavy during flowering.

Thanks. The purple has borne fruit two years in a row. Very pretty but not the most flavorful.

Jeff,
That's awesome. How is the purple one doing?