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Yah, my guess is that it can't deal with high-ph soil. The only other tree that performs like that here is the Julie, so perhaps it's related to the Julie.

Don't discount it yet!  You are on the right track by starting your macro/minors program.  Copper sulfate should help as well.

Jack

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / My Charlie Brown Excalibur Mango Tree
« on: May 20, 2012, 09:06:14 PM »
Of about a dozen mango trees in my collection, this one is the most difficult. It has performed very poorly for me in the past 5 years that I've grown it, producing a total of five mediocre flavored fruits in as many years.

I was going to top-work it, but I have a theory that my poor experience with the tree has been due my high-ph soil. So, I'm determined to get this boy to work for me, and I've put it on a high-maintenance macro/micro nutrient program. I'll check in with my progress later on in the year.

For now, who can pick out all of the deficiencies?








 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Annonas in my collection!
« on: May 19, 2012, 03:29:02 PM »
Ohh duh. Yah, cherimoya leaves are completely different. Wonder why the preference for using pond apple?

Partly right, but that rootstock is Pond-Apple.  I grafted that at Excalibur, on an EXPERIMENTAL batch of Pond-Apple seedlings.
If the graft is healthy a year from now, you should be good to go for heavy productivity, starting 3-5 years from now.  Pond-apple trees are very different from each other, even varying in chromosome numbers.  This seed source had not been evaluated, and most of the grafted plants looked terribly chlorotic, despite all my efforts with mineral supplements.  So the plant you have is a survivor, apparently better than the majority of the batch.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Pin-sen-mum mango this year
« on: May 18, 2012, 08:32:16 PM »
Whooo hoo! Them babies look tasty!

Harvested my first Pin-sen-mum mango of the season today. Very sweet and delicious. These can be picked while still green and semi hard and they are sweet, almost like an mango-apple. Still, I enjoy them best when they are bright yellow and sugar cane sweet. I got this tree for free from the city where I live. They give away all kinds of grafted fruit trees to residents on Earth Day including several other Mangos, Sapodillas and others. Most are 3 gallon sizes. Can't complain
       




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It's soft if you graft in the young/unhardened stage. If it's been 4 or 5 weeks, then that graft is likely a take.

Someone needs to try the inverted root graft on these puppies to induce some precocity.

It funny because I found the scion of green sapote very soft and easy to cut...the rootstock didn't present any challenges either...but I'm not out of the woods yet...this graft hasn't even been unwrapped!

I wrapped with greentape as tight as I could, and had only about 1.5 inch at most of cambium contact.  So maybe I can bend the rules and still have success.

I really hope it doesn't deceive me.

I will be sure to post pics either way.

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eek that sucks about the duncan. You've got a perfect prune point though right above that lower limb (where the red line is). Splitting like that doesn't heal well and will lead to disease and infection later on down the road.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Annonas in my collection!
« on: May 18, 2012, 03:28:33 PM »
Excellent. I'm excited that they're using cherimoya for those. The guys in socal are going to pupe their pants when they find that out :-).

Very nice trees! The ilama guillermo looks like the cherimoya rootstock has overgrown the ilama. You might want to examine those two branches.

AHHHH! you were right! I should've examined it closer.....luckily the grafted branch is still alive with a few leaves on it too...Thanks for calling me out!! that's why they make PM's..hahahaha...you probably saved my plant...thanks
I broke off the overgrown cherimoya rootstock
here is a pic now:


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Annonas in my collection!
« on: May 18, 2012, 02:54:30 PM »
Very nice trees! The ilama guillermo looks like the cherimoya rootstock has overgrown the ilama. You might want to examine those two branches.

Ilama 'Guillermo'


Grumichama Cherry---I believe these are always seedlings


Mango 'mahachanok'


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wow, good work dude! Those are super hard (for me anyway) to side veneer.

i guess my green sapote graft is pushing.

One day a hard wind blew through my yard, and snapped off a branch of my green sapote tree...it happened to be at the proper time to graft for the scion, so I veneered it onto a seedling mamey....and it did take quite a while for this to do anything...I really hope it lives. 

I'd also be quite happy if it takes because the diameters of the scion and rootstock were not a close match at all.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fixing Root Bound Trees
« on: May 15, 2012, 07:01:21 PM »
Your experience mirrors mine.

I would do nothing- I have planted a number of root bound plants in the past and they all did fine- Just my two cents.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fixing Root Bound Trees
« on: May 15, 2012, 12:04:50 PM »
Agree. Circling roots is not the same as rootbound. Circling roots is a fairly normal condition and should have no detriment to tree growth unless they are thick and hard.

As long as the roots didnt make a Lasso around the tree.. Roots at the edge of the pot are normal, the problem is when a tree remains in a pot too long and outgrows it, the taproot will look like a hula-hoop at the bottom of the pot and rings will form at different levels.  When heavy circling happens in the pot, the tree never reaches out when planted and you end up with a tree that is very slow growing and easily toppled.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Malformation
« on: May 15, 2012, 11:53:37 AM »
The facebook url came across funky. Reposting the link: http://www.facebook.com/HarsServices



Saturday I worked on the worst case of mango malformation that I have been asked to remedy.  The 18-foot tree is affected in all its main branches--- so probably got the infection when it was about 7-8 feet tall in the nursery it came from.  Maybe even the graftwood it was produced from was already sick, but a counter-arguement to that is that the trunk is nice and straight.

I did sanitation pruning, removing two large bags of material, sanitizing clippers between each cut and daubing fresh cuts with a solution I prepared.

For more pictures and details, see my company page on my Facebook page: Har Mahdeem :  http://www.facebook.com/#!/HarsServices

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You're starting a little forest there :-).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Free Compost from County
« on: May 14, 2012, 09:01:11 PM »
Good point. A good tree trimmer should know what constitutes a 'good load'. What they'll do is keep your phone number and call you when they are working on a project suitable for mulch. I love it. Not only do I feel good about diverting waste from the landfill, but I also build some really high quality soil.

Termites feed on dead wood (like house framing!). If you are getting trimmings from live trees there should be no termites. Just ask the guy beforehand the type of trees/alive or dead or diseased.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hass Avocado - Planting from seed
« on: May 14, 2012, 07:27:10 PM »
This is an interesting topic. I wonder if some races are more prone to polyembrony than others?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hass Avocado - Planting from seed
« on: May 14, 2012, 06:11:18 PM »
Yes, you are correct, Oscar. I was referring to one seed with multiple embryos (where each has its own rootsystem). You haven't ever seen that before?

"Since avocados exhibit the phenomenon of polyembryony, the more vigorous nucellar seedlings are usually chosen to raise grafted plants."
http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/x6902e/x6902e0a.htm

http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/35/7/209.extract

I think multiple sprouts is different than multiple embryos, and that none of these seeds will produce clones. Very different from mango seeds.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Free Compost from County
« on: May 14, 2012, 05:20:03 PM »
I guess the question is whether that's urban legend, anecdote, or fact. In order for the colony to survive, it would first have to pass through the chipper, then spend a day or two in a blazing hot pile (it heats up really fast). And, even if a few termites found their way into your yard, my understanding is that as long as the mulch is a safe distance away from the house it's a non-issue.

There are lots of things that the detractors say about free mulch. One thing I hear a lot is that it introduces lots of weed seed into the property. Well, it's been a 2 or 3 years, and the only issue I've had is the multiplication of millipedes (which feed on decaying plants).

Yah, that can get pricey. You should track down a tree trimmer. You can get like 15 yards of mulch (shredded tree trimmings) for a $40 tip :-). The tree trimmers have to pay like 70$ to dump their load of chipped trimmings, so they'll gladly dump it off on your driveway. Just make sure the guy knows what he's doing and that he can give you quality mulch (without palm fronds). 15 yards is roughly 3 pallets of home depot cypress mulch, and I actually like the tree trimmings better because it decomposes 4 times as fast. I dumped over 200 yards of it on my backyard. It's great stuff. But be forewarned -- your home will be INVADED by millipedes! The millipedes make quick work of tree trimmings, but will begin to invade your home looking for more. They also like to burrow up into potted plants to eat away the organic matter :-).

An exterminator once told me that wood chips were a major source of termite infestation for homes.  I'm afraid of termites being in that "free" wood chips.  At least the stuff from the SWA has been composted and passed various health tests.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hass Avocado - Planting from seed
« on: May 14, 2012, 05:05:31 PM »
I've actually planted avocado seeds that have had multiple embryos. Whether that means that it will be true to seed -- I have no idea.

It seems like my best plan for now is to plant a half-dozen or so seeds and then graft them onto seedlings of the local avocado (the big green ones) to avoid root rot problems.  With a half-dozen, hopefully some will be good enough quality to breed from in the long term.  I've actually never tasted a bad avocado.

What season of the year might I find some 'Florida Hass' seeds?

The big green avocados appear to be polyembrionic, so I'm a little disappointed that Hass is not.

John

Don't think any avocado is polyembryonic. None is true from seed. Bad avocado usually has to do with more than taste, like lots of fiber, large seeded, skin of seed sticking to fruit, splitting, etc.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Free Compost from County
« on: May 14, 2012, 04:15:25 PM »
The problem I run into is cost.. Last month I applied my Spring coat of Cypress Mulch.  I ended up using two pallets of mulch and only apply a surface coat about an inch thick.  Total Cost $325 with Delivery.  In the Fall my Pine Bark runs about $500 for the same thickness.  And even the free mulch costs about $100 when I add up the fuel used to pick it up, not to mention hours of labor...

Yah, that can get pricey. You should track down a tree trimmer. You can get like 15 yards of mulch (shredded tree trimmings) for a $40 tip :-). The tree trimmers have to pay like 70$ to dump their load of chipped trimmings, so they'll gladly dump it off on your driveway. Just make sure the guy knows what he's doing and that he can give you quality mulch (without palm fronds). 15 yards is roughly 3 pallets of home depot cypress mulch, and I actually like the tree trimmings better because it decomposes 4 times as fast. I dumped over 200 yards of it on my backyard. It's great stuff. But be forewarned -- your home will be INVADED by millipedes! The millipedes make quick work of tree trimmings, but will begin to invade your home looking for more. They also like to burrow up into potted plants to eat away the organic matter :-).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Free Compost from County
« on: May 14, 2012, 02:01:04 PM »
Many say that it's a bad idea to fertilize fruit trees / vegetables with human waste, as it contains heavy metals (can't compost out heavy metals). You would have no problem using it on your ornamentals though. Though you're probably not going to drop dead after eating a mango fertilized with h00man p00p, I probably wouldn't want to take the risk of getting cancer later on in life. Same goes for systemics -- You're not going to die after eating mangoes sprayed with systemic pesticides, but I personally wouldn't take the risk.

I believe the dump over in pompano provides compost. Also, I think Central Park in Plantation provides free mulch 24x7 (shredded tree trimmings).

My preference is to get free tree trimmings and mulch with that. (The mulch will quickly turn into compost.) I think the risk of contamination coming from tree trimmings is pretty minimal.

I spoke to another individual today at the facility, and he said that they don't check for proof of residency so it looks like I can drive up from Broward or someone could drive down from Martin or St. Lucie.
 
Regarding the safety of the product, he told me it's safe and has been used successfully for 25 years, and can be applied to fruit trees and vegetable beds.  Yes, it does contain some sewage sludge, but haven't the Chinese use "night soil" on crops for thousands of years?  If it's properly composted, where's the danger?  Wouldn't the county be exposing themselves to lawsuits if it was dangerous?  We love to criticize every government agency even when they're doing the right thing by helping us enrich our soil instead of dumping everything into the landfill.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hass Avocado - Planting from seed
« on: May 14, 2012, 01:51:04 PM »
Florida Hass is in season in November if I remember correctly.

I have a grafted California Hass that's about 3 years old and has its first crop of 4 avocados. It's doing quite well. I'm really looking forward to seeing how well the fruit turn out. From what I've been told, the California Hass don't always ripen properly here (they stay hard near the center).

I also have a (california) pinkerton of the same age with a single fruit on it.

I miss my california avocadoes :-(.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango graft...success
« on: May 13, 2012, 03:40:26 PM »
3 weeks is a bit early to know for sure, but it does look very promising. My guess is that it's a take.

How many weeks?

Three weeks Jeff. I've been here before but this one looks more promising.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Annonas in my collection!
« on: May 13, 2012, 01:07:28 PM »
Ohh duh :-). That was before I had my coffee :-).

You got those two Genova's switched around. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Your least favorite mango
« on: May 13, 2012, 09:29:26 AM »
:-) Beat you to it. I already have a tree planted :-).

Jeff, when my Okrung tree goes into production I will gladly trade you and your wife Okrung fruit for anything you've got. Even if I can't sell it or give it away I'll sooner feed it to the pigs than actually eat it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Annonas in my collection!
« on: May 13, 2012, 09:27:08 AM »
Hey Rob, if you can pull one aside, I'd be super grateful!!!

To me, the white ilama has more of a sweet soursop flavor. I don't think there is much variation in the ilama. I think there are basically 4 different types: pink fleshed with green skin (eg, Fairchild), pink fleshed with reddish skin (eg, Pajapita), red fleshed with green skin (eg, Genova White), and white fleshed with green skin (eg, Genova Red). Hopefully Har will chime in in case I'm missing one..

Figures .. When I called they said they didn't have white. I would have gone up there to one if he'd told me that they had them :-(.

Ok, I saw the "White" illama today (only three of them...now two  ;D).  I asked Richard what it was.  He said it is from a white illama and its taste is very similar to a cherimoya of high quality/flavor.
Who did you talk to ?  They may not have actually known as when I went to grab a Genova Red, I happened to see three pots marked "White" and had to ask Richard what they were.  Let me know if you want me to grab one for you (they are small, fairly fresh grafted).

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