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Pedalai tree?
« on: December 24, 2015, 05:59:27 AM »
Can you guys help me identify if this tree is a pedalai? Ive planted 15 of this at my farm in the Philippines. I actually believed that I planted a breadfruit but now I know i was duped by the vendor i bought the trees from.

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Re: Pedalai tree?
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2015, 07:05:41 AM »
Do you have pictures of the seeds? They look a bit like marang seeds.The leaves are really big.You really need lots of space for such a huge tree and they are wet equatorial so like a durian or mangosteen in climate preference.

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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2015, 08:45:50 AM »
Unfortunately i dont have a pic of their seeds. I bought them at that height and just replanted them. I gave them about 10 meters distance knowing they grow reaĺly big. I' ve compared their leaves with my marang seedlings but their quite different. This one is more serrated or lobed?
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Re: Pedalai tree?
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2015, 09:47:25 AM »
I have posted pedalai foliage pictures before if you want to search.

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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2015, 11:23:23 AM »
Just curious where In The Philippines? I go to Mindanao island for fruit adventure next month

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Re: Pedalai tree?
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2015, 02:12:52 PM »
batangas in south Luzon.

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« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2015, 02:15:51 PM »
Hi Mike T. For some reason the pics cannot load maybe it's my phone that is having this issue.

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Re: Pedalai tree?
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2015, 05:12:58 PM »
I don't know how often they are grown in Luzon.Marang is more common there.

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« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2015, 01:25:40 AM »
It's really not very common in Luzon. I have not seen a marang or pedalai fruit even in big supermarkets there. Surprisingly seedlings of marang are available in all plant nurseries we've visited. Maybe pedalai also if what i planted  is pedalai tree.

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« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2015, 04:16:34 AM »
Maybe these pics will help me identify my trees?








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Re: Pedalai tree?
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2015, 10:35:23 AM »
Is it just me or everybody else cannot see Erwin's pics?

Erwin, this is how pedalai foliage looks like on young trees. Second picture is also pedalai but taken from my most mature tree. As tree ages, new flush of leaves have much less of a lobbed aspect. You can find plenty of up close breadfruit foliage pictures on internet to determine what you really have.




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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2015, 12:15:46 PM »
I cannot see them either. Nice tree , DL

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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2015, 12:21:05 PM »
Thanks durianlover for the pics! The foliage of the young tree looks the same with mine. Can you tell how old the tree before it loses the finger like thing on its leaves? I dont know if you're familiar with artocarpus blancoi it is more common in the PI and have similar leaves with pedalai on young trees and they're commonly known as tipolo tree.

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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2015, 12:27:25 PM »
Erwin, all 5 of your pics do not appear at all here. Maybe you could repost them using a different method?
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2015, 12:35:33 PM »



I hope this pic works.
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« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2015, 12:46:48 PM »
I can see those 2 new pics, but they are tiny and don't seem to link to full-size pics.
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« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2015, 01:09:49 PM »
I can see those 2 new pics, but they are tiny and don't seem to link to full-size pics.
Erwin I can't make image larger also, but this pic surely looks like my Pedalai when it was younger, marang are also trifoliate leaves when young but they don't  grow as large as the Pedalai ones,
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« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2015, 01:22:07 PM »
I can see those 2 new pics, but they are tiny and don't seem to link to full-size pics.
Erwin I can't make image larger also, but this pic surely looks like my Pedalai when it was younger, marang are also trifoliate leaves when young but they don't  grow as large as the Pedalai ones,

I wonder why pedalai is not popular in my country like marang. I hope internet article that says pedalai fruit in 3 to 4 yrs is accurate.

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« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2015, 01:43:54 PM »
Definitely not A. altilis or A. camansi. Could be A. sarawakensis, but more likely pedalai. I have several pedalais in pots that look the same as those pics. For the first year or so the leaves are non-lobed, then for a few years they are lobed and huge, and then they go back to being non-lobed and smaller again.
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« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2015, 02:30:27 PM »
Definitely not A. altilis or A. camansi. Could be A. sarawakensis, but more likely pedalai. I have several pedalais in pots that look the same as those pics. For the first year or so the leaves are non-lobed, then for a few years they are lobed and huge, and then they go back to being non-lobed and smaller again.

Appreciate the info mike. Do they fruit as soon as they go back to non-lobed stage or do we wait for more years?

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« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2015, 02:51:34 PM »
I don't have enough information to answer that, but I do know one pedalai tree nearby that is about 8 years old, very healthy, beautiful thick side-branching all the way up, very wide, about 10m tall, and all the leaves have been non-lobed or only slightly lobed for a few years, but it has never fruited. On the other hand, in this same area I know several marang trees that fruited after 6 or 7 years. The climate here is always warm, but never hot, about 20° from the equator, so maybe pedalai will fruit faster in a hotter climate.
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« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2015, 03:29:09 PM »
PI is a lot warmer maybe i can get these trees to fruit in 3-4 yrs time if they are pedalai as google claims. Sarawakensis fruit looks like a smaller marang but it is also not very popular, i cannot get enough info on it.