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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 01, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
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I figured we'd start a thread about this tree...now that seeds seem to be floating around the world :)
maybe merge our lengthy discussions about this fruit from "the for sale" section, into this thread?
This fruit is supposed to be the second largest tree borne fruit right?
and its an annona?
OK u've got my attention...now tell me more. :)
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A friend (not on this list) and I often talked about this fruit. He was also keen on A. segenalisis. Definitely some cool stuff.
I think there's a ton of gems in Africa that outsiders aren't aware of. Sadly the rainforests there (like ones everywhere) are being quickly felled.
He kept trying to order the African Annonas from a place in Germany. DHS opened his mail, and when they realized it didn't contain tiny terrorists (as they suspected) they'd hand it to the USDA which would replace his seeds with a nasty-gram
Like saifu (another facinating African fruit), or the aframomiums these Annonas sound very interesting.... large and tasty. Not like the "African breadfruit" / "African Breadnut" (not actually an Artocarpus) that involves a lot of work to get a whole bunch of tiny treats (that are supposedly ok but not so great).
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Looks like a giant green strawberry
while having the chance was not aware of its existence
And now that I am I don't
It is looking like a tree who needs to grow in the bush as Jackfruitwhisperer mentioned
The inside looks a bit fibrous like Annona montana (at least from the photo)
about acquiring taste I wont count on similarities between the different palates
one of my former workers in Liberia was offering me every morning an Clove of garlic to chew as a snake to open the day
And The palm wine had also the taste of an old fart
surely that is bilateral experience whenever two cultures examine each others food
like old blue cheese for example
But I'm also convinced there must be big variation between those trees grown at different location far from each other isolated in the bushes
Investing time to grow a fruit the locals do not bother to eat is a fun
but not my kind of fun
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Adam,
I totally agree with you...it's about time a thread is dedicated to the African King of the Annonaceae.
TabbyDan, I have tried do germinate Safou...with no success! I also posted a pic of the weird seed ;) My friend like Safou very much and is usually sold in the streets of Germany.
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Looks like a giant green strawberry
while having the chance was not aware of its existence
And now that I am I don't
It is looking like a tree who needs to grow in the bush as Jackfruitwhisperer mentioned
The inside looks a bit fibrous like Annona montana (at least from the photo)
about acquiring taste I wont count on similarities between the different palates
one of my former workers in Liberia was offering me every morning an Clove of garlic to chew as a snake to open the day
And The palm wine had also the taste of an old fart
surely that is bilateral experience whenever two cultures examine each others food
like old blue cheese for example
But I'm also convinced there must be big variation between those trees grown at different location far from each other isolated in the bushes
Investing time to grow a fruit the locals do not bother to eat is a fun
but not my kind of fun
Hi Amaqeq,
Most certainly there is a huge variation between trees grown in different locations...Mannii is found in Congo,northern Angola, Zambia, Ghana, Nigeria, Gabon and Cameroon. I wonder if they are also found in Guinea, Sierra Loene, Liberia, Ivory Coast, Togo, Benin or even São Tomé e principe :-\
Yikes, a clove of garlic every morning :o Garlic is also used to get the ''something'' back ;)
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Its been a while since I've had a fruit that tasted like the smell of broken wind. (bad surinam cherry)
and a while since I've met someone with the gall to liken a fruit to the taste of flatulence.
Pleased to meet you friend. ;D ;D
happy u joined the forum.
Annonas, Fruits, Farts, Friends, Forums :)
Looks like a giant green strawberry
while having the chance was not aware of its existence
And now that I am I don't
It is looking like a tree who needs to grow in the bush as Jackfruitwhisperer mentioned
The inside looks a bit fibrous like Annona montana (at least from the photo)
about acquiring taste I wont count on similarities between the different palates
one of my former workers in Liberia was offering me every morning an Clove of garlic to chew as a snake to open the day
And The palm wine had also the taste of an old fart
surely that is bilateral experience whenever two cultures examine each others food
like old blue cheese for example
But I'm also convinced there must be big variation between those trees grown at different location far from each other isolated in the bushes
Investing time to grow a fruit the locals do not bother to eat is a fun
but not my kind of fun
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I agree there are many acquired tastes here and there in the world. In the 25 of the best fruits book the Danforths talk about some "odd tasting fruits" that Congolese people seem to like- at the same time most of the stuff they find they really liked too (junglesop WAS one of those)
I think Africa probably has at least as many fruit treasures to offer up as Asia or South America... it's just a lot less well known to the outside world.
The Saifu is actually why I joined this list. The friend I mentioned showed me a link to the post with the picture of Saifu seeds and we both drooled about the Saifu (neither of us has tried it). I won't make a strong effort to get seeds of it right now because I know my chances of getting it to fruit are about nill (I only collect such things incidentally, that is if I encounter the fruit and eat it).
Just in the genus Aframomium I imagine there are several tasty fruits (I know that genus has several nice spices, one identical to cardimom, another like a cross between black pepper and a burst of citrus)
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I agree there are many acquired tastes here and there in the world. In the 25 of the best fruits book the Danforths talk about some "odd tasting fruits" that Congolese people seem to like- at the same time most of the stuff they find they really liked too (junglesop WAS one of those)
I think Africa probably has at least as many fruit treasures to offer up as Asia or South America... it's just a lot less well known to the outside world.
The Saifu is actually why I joined this list. The friend I mentioned showed me a link to the post with the picture of Saifu seeds and we both drooled about the Saifu (neither of us has tried it). I won't make a strong effort to get seeds of it right now because I know my chances of getting it to fruit are about nill (I only collect such things incidentally, that is if I encounter the fruit and eat it).
Just in the genus Aframomium I imagine there are several tasty fruits (I know that genus has several nice spices, one identical to cardimom, another like a cross between black pepper and a burst of citrus)
Hi Dan,
I tried to get more seeds, but was not successfully. Oscar is up for some seeds. I will try to get more seeds next year and if you are interested, i can also try to get you some as well ;)
Here's an awesome link that Bruce(BMc) posted on Safou 8)
http://www.cropsforthefuture.org/publication/position-paper/Quality%20Standards%20for%20Dacryodes%20edulis.pdf (http://www.cropsforthefuture.org/publication/position-paper/Quality%20Standards%20for%20Dacryodes%20edulis.pdf)
FYI My friend has a gorgeous seedling that is successfully growing in a pot in Germany...so what the diffrence between DC and Germany? You can also grow them successfully there too...Fruiting the plant is a diffrent story. My friend did share some pics of the tree...will ask for permission to post the pics 8) I don't share stuff without asking permission first ;)
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I am interested but not sure if I'm worthy. I know my friend would LOVE some seeds of it.
African fruits are a special fascination of mine, which is somewhat ironic as I keep focusing my travel plans on Asia (but then I tend to like Asian culture, food, architecture...). Of course Asian and South American fruits also captivate me but I think the "outside" world has a better understanding of those.
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Looks like a giant green strawberry
while having the chance was not aware of its existence
And now that I am I don't
It is looking like a tree who needs to grow in the bush as Jackfruitwhisperer mentioned
The inside looks a bit fibrous like Annona montana (at least from the photo)
about acquiring taste I wont count on similarities between the different palates
one of my former workers in Liberia was offering me every morning an Clove of garlic to chew as a snake to open the day
And The palm wine had also the taste of an old fart
surely that is bilateral experience whenever two cultures examine each others food
like old blue cheese for example
But I'm also convinced there must be big variation between those trees grown at different location far from each other isolated in the bushes
Investing time to grow a fruit the locals do not bother to eat is a fun
but not my kind of fun
I'm going to do it, but purely for "scientifc" reasons. Or maybe i'll sell it back to the Cameroonis as an excellent Hawaiian fruit in the future? HAHAHAHA This is all supposing that the seeds ever sprout! ::)
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Here's a photo of this badboy Annona.....I talk about this fruit in my Annona presentation
(http://s8.postimage.org/5i2kjggq9/Junglesop.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5i2kjggq9/)
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I need to grow this one...just so there will be one other photo available on the planet of this fruit. ::) Everybody seems to use this one and only photo!
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I need to grow this one...just so there will be one other photo available on the planet of this fruit. ::) Everybody seems to use this one and only photo!
and so u can sell me a usa grown seed.
God Bless America.
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(http://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/junglesop_man.jpg?w=510)
go white boy go white boy go!
Eat eat eat.
Now clean those seeds, package them properly and send them to USA.
this might be my favorite picture.
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I need to grow this one...just so there will be one other photo available on the planet of this fruit. ::) Everybody seems to use this one and only photo!
You are very correct. That is the most widely used Junglesop photo!
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Shouldn't the "God bless America" be right under the "Go white boy go" considering the Danforths are missionaries from the US? If I'm not mistaken that's one of the Danforths in the photo.
I got to get off my butt and upload some more pics... that one from "...25 of the best" reminds me of a shot my wife took of me eating Durian which I like to call "Who let that white pig into the market".
Also, one of these days I should be in Thailand for the Durian eating contest... I'm way off my peak but still I think I could make a horrifying display of stuffing myself (with a deadly belch later on).
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I had a few extra seeds and ran out of good seed raising mix, so threw the leftovers into a zip-lock bag with a barely damp paper towel 3 weeks back. I checked them today for the first time in a fortnight and many had shot. A few looked a day or two past perfect, but most looked to be nice and strong. Should not be too long until we get some movement above ground! ;D
(http://s11.postimage.org/6wkcfkcfj/IMG_0543.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6wkcfkcfj/)
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Bmc dreamfrutas will be jumpin' outa his skin to get some.
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I am interested but not sure if I'm worthy. I know my friend would LOVE some seeds of it.
African fruits are a special fascination of mine, which is somewhat ironic as I keep focusing my travel plans on Asia (but then I tend to like Asian culture, food, architecture...). Of course Asian and South American fruits also captivate me but I think the "outside" world has a better understanding of those.
Hi Dan,
I will try to get seeds for u and ya friend ;) Then ya will c if ya, worthy or not ;D
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http://www.fruitipedia.com/junglesop_anonidium_manonii.htm (http://www.fruitipedia.com/junglesop_anonidium_manonii.htm) :)
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http://www.fruitipedia.com/junglesop_anonidium_manonii.htm (http://www.fruitipedia.com/junglesop_anonidium_manonii.htm) :)
Use a direct source on Anonidium mannii (fruitipedia is not); http://www.voanews.com/content/a-13-2009-05-28-voa51-68825652/413874.html (http://www.voanews.com/content/a-13-2009-05-28-voa51-68825652/413874.html)
By the way - the famous photo of the fruit is from Paul Latham aka Scamperdale (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36517976@N06/3515148382/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36517976@N06/3515148382/#))
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Soren, thanks for the VOA link. Here are the 2 key paragraphs for me:
"The junglesop," he continues, "needs research [for example, on how to create] improved varieties by grafting genetic material from the trees with fruit that is seedless or [sweet] tasting all the time. Only 30 percent [of the trees produce fruit that tastes good]: there is a balance between the sourness and sweetness of the fruits; some are almost all sour. But the ones that are sweet [have] an excellent flavor that rivals a peach."
But it may be years before junglesop is grown on a large scale. Agriculturalists say work is needed in learning how to fight the fungal diseases that affect the trees. Danforth says scientists also need to develop plants that can produce fruit within years. He says some that he has developed have not produced fruit in two decades.
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Soren, thanks for the VOA link. Here are the 2 key paragraphs for me:
"The junglesop," he continues, "needs research [for example, on how to create] improved varieties by grafting genetic material from the trees with fruit that is seedless or [sweet] tasting all the time. Only 30 percent [of the trees produce fruit that tastes good]: there is a balance between the sourness and sweetness of the fruits; some are almost all sour. But the ones that are sweet [have] an excellent flavor that rivals a peach."
But it may be years before junglesop is grown on a large scale. Agriculturalists say work is needed in learning how to fight the fungal diseases that affect the trees. Danforth says scientists also need to develop plants that can produce fruit within years. He says some that he has developed have not produced fruit in two decades.
Oscar I noticed those as well - it can be concluded from the above that there is a lot of variability regarding taste (which can explain why it is not consumed in Cameroon), and that 10-15 years might not be long enough too see a fruiting.
We need budwood...
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Yes Soren, i came to same conclusions. Those seeds from Cameroon are probably the other not so desirable 70%. Still good to grow them out and hope to get good budwood in the future.
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Danforth says scientists also need to develop plants that can produce fruit within years. He says some that he has developed have not produced fruit in two decades.
I find this slightly more encouraging than others seem to have. It seems that the 2 deacdes reference is for super duds but not truly indicative of the species as a whole, as implied by the word 'some', rather than 'many' or similar. Unfortunately it only gives us the 'cons' list on fruiting. Has anyone seen better statistical data on fruiting ages, or just throw away anecdotals that err on the side of disparaging growers? Or is it up to those that have recieved seed in the past few months to report over the next 20 or so years? Still the data would not be representative as all seeds I think came from three fruits from the same tree?
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BMC, i prefer to remain skeptical, grow them out anyway, and be possibly pleasantly surprised some day in the distant future. Rather than be super optimistic, grow them out, and find out after 20 years of maintaining the tree that even the cattle here won't eat them. I think like with most things African you need to go there in person to get the real scoop. I wouldn't call it the dark continent, but the mysterious continent!
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Have to agree with Oscar and I am also skeptical of African fruits in general. From what I read in the Congo Native Fruits book, The Lost Crops of Africa book and from the few African fruits that I have tasted here, there is not much over there that would interest me very much. In fact, many African fruit farmers tend to grow fruits like Mangos, Bananas and Pineapples and few of their own native fruits. The key places to find the best new fruits of the future are still probably SE Asia, Central America and the Amazon basin. Just my opinion.
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The man pictured eating Junglesop is Paul D Noren, who with Roy M Danforth, wrote Congo Native Fruits: Twenty-Five of the Best. Third edition: July 1997. The last chapter is short descriptions of 25 other fruits of the Congo. These gentlemen are great friends who have visited us here several times. The protracted civil war in Zaire forced them to leave their mission station and fruit project. So they started up two projects in the Central African Republic. I haven't communicated with them lately, but the staff at ECHO probably has.
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Have to agree with Oscar and I am also skeptical of African fruits in general. From what I read in the Congo Native Fruits book, The Lost Crops of Africa book and from the few African fruits that I have tasted here, there is not much over there that would interest me very much. In fact, many African fruit farmers tend to grow fruits like Mangos, Bananas and Pineapples and few of their own native fruits. The key places to find the best new fruits of the future are still probably SE Asia, Central America and the Amazon basin. Just my opinion.
The best African fruit left there in the 1500's: watermelon. I'm sure there are still some little gems there left to be discovered, but nothing like the quantities found in S. America or SE Asia. Wish i was wrong, would love to be proved wrong.
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Have to agree with Oscar and I am also skeptical of African fruits in general. From what I read in the Congo Native Fruits book, The Lost Crops of Africa book and from the few African fruits that I have tasted here, there is not much over there that would interest me very much. In fact, many African fruit farmers tend to grow fruits like Mangos, Bananas and Pineapples and few of their own native fruits. The key places to find the best new fruits of the future are still probably SE Asia, Central America and the Amazon basin. Just my opinion.
The best African fruit left there in the 1500's: watermelon. I'm sure there are still some little gems there left to be discovered, but nothing like the quantities found in S. America or SE Asia. Wish i was wrong, would love to be proved wrong.
I think we had the same discussion years back on the yahoo group; here are many great species with a lot of potential but selection is needed. I have tasted many African fruits better than common and more known species grown elsewhere.
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Soren, yes i remember that discussion also. And not much seems to have changed. Which African fruits have you had that in your opinion are better than common?
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Would have to dig into my comments on Yahoo group to recall - but Berchemia discolor, Canarium schweinfurthii, Aframomum sp., Oyster nut, Annona senegalensis and Vitex sp. springs into mind. There are many more which I have never tasted, but they are (even more) highly recommended so the Ugandan list alone is a lot longer of course. Several others are still good, but perhaps not to that level; Tamarind, Cordia sp., Chrysophyllum sp., Pseudospondias microcarpa, Giant Yellow Mulberry etc.
I think the main problem is accessibility together with lack of cultivation and selection practices here in Africa - in addition; most people are not less interested in trying new things; as an example I have traded more soursop and noni seeds than rare African species...
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I have to agree with Soren.
1) Africa is a BIG continent with as much tropical rainforest as S America or Asia. Rainforests tend to have lots of fruiting plants. One would expect that "tasty" fruits would occur "randomly" with a given frequency across the globe because plants make fruits to attract fruit eaters to spread the seeds. A given fruit might attract some frugivores and not others. It would be truly weird for a whole continent to have a significantly different percentage of "tasty" fruits than another.
2) I've read of a number of tasty fruits from Africa. Even if we look at some odd nitche like "fatty fruits" we get things like Shea, Saifu,...
3) The argument "well they are growing 'our' crops so how good can theirs be?" is actually not a terribly good argument. I've done a lot of traveling in Asia and what I can see is the whole world is increasingly moving towards fewer and fewer species, and guess what those are the commodity crops. So by that argument the best stuff in the world is corn, potatoes, tomato, coffee,... and all the stuff we talk about on this group is just some junk a few freaky people like (BTW some of those commodity crops like coffee, peanuts... are of African origin)
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If you have or ever get seeds of Jungle sop make sure you put them in a long pot. The tap root is huge. Today I put them in long pots on advice from a mate who I gave seed to. One of the roots was almost 5 inches long. Still nothing more than taproot though.
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If you have or ever get seeds of Jungle sop make sure you put them in a long pot. The tap root is huge. Today I put them in long pots on advice from a mate who I gave seed to. One of the roots was almost 5 inches long. Still nothing more than taproot though.
Thanks for the advice, I have to repot my newly planted seeds to a longer pot. Is it like pawpaw, long taproot bevor the shoots come out from the ground?
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I'm still praying for my seed to sprout up!!
Its been about a month since planting.
I still have hope.
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I just got a seed germinating from one I received from Eric back in mid September - it was a floater so I had given up hope...
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Soren!
thanks for info
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i just tipped one of my pots out to see what was going on in there. the Junglesop has grown an enormous taproot. Anyone seen anything like it? The connection at the seed is very weak and snapped on comming out of the pot. not sure if the roots will survive and shoot but it shows how much underground development these guys go through before they ever think of shooting above ground. Reminds me of Bunya in a way.
(http://s9.postimage.org/un0xp0dvv/IMG_4057.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/un0xp0dvv/)
(http://s2.postimage.org/mlfojfaxh/IMG_4058.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mlfojfaxh/)
(http://s2.postimage.org/u2ovyn0gl/IMG_4059.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/u2ovyn0gl/)
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Asimina (American Pawpaw) and Bacuri (Platonia esculenta/insignis) do the same thing.
Thet grow a huge tap root before breaking the surface of the soil.
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i just tipped one of my pots out to see what was going on in there. the Junglesop has grown an enormous taproot. Anyone seen anything like it? The connection at the seed is very weak and snapped on comming out of the pot. not sure if the roots will survive and shoot but it shows how much underground development these guys go through before they ever think of shooting above ground. Reminds me of Bunya in a way.
(http://s9.postimage.org/un0xp0dvv/IMG_4057.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/un0xp0dvv/)
(http://s2.postimage.org/mlfojfaxh/IMG_4058.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mlfojfaxh/)
(http://s2.postimage.org/u2ovyn0gl/IMG_4059.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/u2ovyn0gl/)
Bruce - mine broke from the seed (which I have removed) and are now developing very small leaves/shoots from the main root stem. I spoke with Eric (who supplied the seeds), and he was disappointed in the germination rate of this years seeds. Reminds me of Stelechocarpus burahol.
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I got this from Troy;
Anonidium manni is a very tricky species particularly if the seed is oxygen depleted during germination or a rapid temperature change. The seed will partial germinate and then stop or go on a go slow to the detriment of the germination. If the seed has dropped off and started to show small green pups or shoots then this means its re-shooting....great news.
If the seed has not dropped off or you start to notice rot pull the seed off 9 times out of 10 they will re-shoot. If left to long the rot will travel and the seed and roots will be unable to come back.
This is a tricky species, the only other species who has this same issue that I have found is Goniothalamus (Australiasian annonaceae species).
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Lots of fruit trees put out giant taproots before starting to grow leaves. The largest taprooted seedlings i can think of are both in the palm family: toddy palm (Borassus flabeliferus) and double coconut (Lodoicea maldivica). In many cases these large taprooted seedlings come from areas that experience drought. This is a strategy to insure the plant will get enough water.
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Fruit trees that produce huge taproots, should be planted in-situ to prevent the taproot from bending in the pot. The seeds planted in the field must be protected, so that animals don't disturb germination and formation of the seedlings...small cage with a brick on top, should work fine. :)
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Fruit trees that produce huge taproots, should be planted in-situ to prevent the taproot from bending in the pot. The seeds planted in the field must be protected, so that animals don't disturb germination and formation of the seedlings...small cage with a brick on top, should work fine. :)
True. It's preferable but not always possible to plant long tap rooted plants directly into the ground. When it's not possible then it's certainly not hard to find very deep pots. You can even make a super deep pot by gluing 2 deep pots one on top of the other.
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(http://s8.postimage.org/dz76kylf5/DSCF5476.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dz76kylf5/)
With these 2 one is emerging like a bean and the other has 2 shoots coming from underground.
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Fruit trees that produce huge taproots, should be planted in-situ to prevent the taproot from bending in the pot. The seeds planted in the field must be protected, so that animals don't disturb germination and formation of the seedlings...small cage with a brick on top, should work fine. :)
True. It's preferable but not always possible to plant long tap rooted plants directly into the ground. When it's not possible then it's certainly not hard to find very deep pots. You can even make a super deep pot by gluing 2 deep pots one on top of the other.
There is deep pots available, but not cheap...Tall one tree pots. They are commonly used for pawpaws and others.
http://www.stuewe.com/products/treepots.php (http://www.stuewe.com/products/treepots.php)
I have done what you suggested(two deep pots one on top of the other) for a jackfruit seedling...it's works great and the jackfruit grows quite fast...a cheap solution :)
The only problem with very deep pots...you must be super carefull not to disturb them roots, to prevent transplant shock. Of course, some trees are more tolerant, than other...pawpaw is a good example for not being one of them.
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(http://s8.postimage.org/dz76kylf5/DSCF5476.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dz76kylf5/)
With these 2 one is emerging like a bean and the other has 2 shoots coming from underground.
Hi Mike
AWESOME!!! Those two seedlings are looking sharp 8) Congrats on the successful germination of mannii :)
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Mike - very different from mine which follows the description given by Troy! Interesting to be documenting the sprouting habit on this public forum.
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Mike - very different from mine which follows the description given by Troy! Interesting to be documenting the sprouting habit on this public forum.
Different in what way?
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I gave 2 others away to an expert propagator and he tells me they are germinating.I don't know which style of germination those ones have.
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Mike - very different from mine which follows the description given by Troy! Interesting to be documenting the sprouting habit on this public forum.
Different in what way?
All mine broke at the level of the seed like the Stelechocarpus burahol and then sending up a small stem / extension of the root before sprouting; not extruding like the 'bean', which is also observed for several of the annona spp. I understand Troy believes this could happen due to rot.
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Oh poo.
my A. mannii hasn't breached surface yet.
I picked around at my seed, and noticed it was germinating for sure.
I think it got a bit cold for the seed though, and one night of about 38F may have rotted the seed.
I know my cherapus barely lived. I only have about 5 left out if 100. Maybe more will sprout this spring...they take forever as well.
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Very interesting recordings of the behavior of the seeds. Almost 3 months gone and the germination rate of my seeds 0%. Should I wait more?
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Yes, wait longer. I probably would have been the first to get the seed in pots? but only have one thats starting to poke its head up. I would have planted them 6 months ago. They have all put their energy into growing strong roots and should come up fine in time from the secondary shoots after the connection to the seed has been broken.
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Thanks Bmc. Very strange behaviour. I hope they come up in spring very healthy and strong enough
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Would have to dig into my comments on Yahoo group to recall - but Berchemia discolor, Canarium schweinfurthii, Aframomum sp., Oyster nut, Annona senegalensis and Vitex sp. springs into mind. There are many more which I have never tasted, but they are (even more) highly recommended so the Ugandan list alone is a lot longer of course. Several others are still good, but perhaps not to that level; Tamarind, Cordia sp., Chrysophyllum sp., Pseudospondias microcarpa, Giant Yellow Mulberry etc.
I think the main problem is accessibility together with lack of cultivation and selection practices here in Africa - in addition; most people are not less interested in trying new things; as an example I have traded more soursop and noni seeds than rare African species...
There are so many wonderful cultivars that are wanted where I live (South Florida, U.S.A.); Junglesop, Giant-Yellow-Mulberry...
About waiting 10-20 years for a seedling of Junglesop to fruit, to me that is a no deal. The way to go is to bring in either budwood and graft it onto an annona cultivar or bring in an air-layered/grafted cultivar.
We definitely need more Fruit-Tree Indiana Jones'. So many fruit trees, so little time.
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I was inspecting a junglesop seed I planted last September...thinking that it was rotted. I was surprised to find that it had germinated, and sent down a root. It still hasn't even thought about sprouting up yet. I'm still praying that it shows me some leaves soon! Maybe I'll give it the slightest amount of fertilizer. If it sprouts up, I'll post a pic! I've been dreaming about this plant ever since I saw Bill Whitman's.
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I have my first true shoot emerge over the weekend, so thats a full 6 months after planting in August.
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I have my first true shoot emerge over the weekend, so thats a full 6 months after planting in August.
thanks for the info...glad to hear u got a shoot! I wonder how long to fruit from seed? 6 yrs?
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In your last sentence, if you meant seed to fruit, Roy Danford estimated a minimum of 10 yrs. He also suggests it may be dioecious. (see Congo Native Fruits: 25 of the best by Roy Danforth & Paul Noren)
Sounds like these are pretty slow to germinate but if you look at one of its relatives (kepel), not so bad. I got fresh seed from Oscar & the first didn't germinate for 10 months and it was about 15 months before all that were going to germinate, did. So the slow germination for junglesop is probably not too surprising.
John
I have my first true shoot emerge over the weekend, so thats a full 6 months after planting in August.
thanks for the info...glad to hear u got a shoot! I wonder how long to fruit from seed? 6 yrs?
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Germination is actually very fast - its the emergence of a stem that takes a little bit of time. Leave the seeds in a ziplock bag for a fortnight and youll end up with a tangle of roots!
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thanks for the info.
In your last sentence, if you meant seed to fruit, Roy Danford estimated a minimum of 10 yrs. He also suggests it may be dioecious. (see Congo Native Fruits: 25 of the best by Roy Danforth & Paul Noren)
Sounds like these are pretty slow to germinate but if you look at one of its relatives (kepel), not so bad. I got fresh seed from Oscar & the first didn't germinate for 10 months and it was about 15 months before all that were going to germinate, did. So the slow germination for junglesop is probably not too surprising.
John
I have my first true shoot emerge over the weekend, so thats a full 6 months after planting in August.
thanks for the info...glad to hear u got a shoot! I wonder how long to fruit from seed? 6 yrs?
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Hi Adam,
That's freak'n awesome news 8) I thought my seed, was rotten....Thank goodness, the seed is doing the twist and tango in the pot ;D ;D ;D But, i got to say, this badboy sure is dragging it's ass :blank:
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it's alive! starting to sprout like a bean...very slow.
can't wait to see some leaves!!!
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It's like franken-annona, it's alive! alive! I have created a a a.... ultra rare fruit TREE. haha... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I have about 15 up and about that again still to emerge. Biggest has already powered on to about a foot.
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I have about 15 up and about that again still to emerge. Biggest has already powered on to about a foot.
keeping them in full shade? I'm planning on keeping mine in lots of shade until it's about 6ft tall. I want the leaves to get really big, if all I'm going to see for 10 yrs is foliage!
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I have about 15 up and about that again still to emerge. Biggest has already powered on to about a foot.
keeping them in full shade? I'm planning on keeping mine in lots of shade until it's about 6ft tall. I want the leaves to get really big, if all I'm going to see for 10 yrs is foliage!
Mine are under 30% and growing steady
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Cool, once everyone here has trees, we just have to find out a good rootstock so we can graft it and make ourselves more already producing trees. Maybe soursop would work, cherimoya could be a try, one of the large annonas probably.
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Cool, once everyone here has trees, we just have to find out a good rootstock so we can graft it and make ourselves more already producing trees. Maybe soursop would work, cherimoya could be a try, one of the large annonas probably.
I doubt any of those suggestions would work because all annonas are in different genus than the junglesop. Probably never been tried so i guess it's worth the gamble if you have lots of scion wood to play with.
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I was blown away when I read about this unlikely graft by my friend Juan in Mallorca.
He got Castanea sativa (chestnut) to take on some Quercus sp (oak).
http://jardin-mundani.blogspot.pt/2013/03/y-el-milagro-fue-posible-y-se-hizo.html (http://jardin-mundani.blogspot.pt/2013/03/y-el-milagro-fue-posible-y-se-hizo.html)
So, maybe there are some weird grafts still waiting to happen.
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I was blown away when I read about this unlikely graft by my friend Juan in Mallorca.
He got Castanea sativa (chestnut) to take on some Quercus sp (oak).
http://jardin-mundani.blogspot.pt/2013/03/y-el-milagro-fue-posible-y-se-hizo.html (http://jardin-mundani.blogspot.pt/2013/03/y-el-milagro-fue-posible-y-se-hizo.html)
So, maybe there some weird grafts still waiting to happen.
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o my gosh
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So if I remember correctly, its about that time a year again when some people on the forum got Junglesop seeds.
Does it look like anyone will be able to get seeds this year?
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So if I remember correctly, its about that time a year again when some people on the forum got Junglesop seeds.
Does it look like anyone will be able to get seeds this year?
I'd like to get a few of these also...
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oh mannii...I pulled up what I thought was a diseased 1 inch sprouted stump, but turned out to be a healthy seedling, that hadn't leafed out yet...I ended up destroying an 8 inch tap root...be sure to give this one plenty of time to leaf out, even after it germinates. What threw me off, was the fact that after the seed germinated, the seed coat and initial set of leaves fell off, leaving a small leafless stub.
I'm happy my friend has some back up seedlings to share with me!!
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Given how long they take to grow, I better get some and start soon ;)
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Given how long they take to grow, I better get some and start soon ;)
Not to forget the time interval before they will flower....
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oh mannii...I pulled up what I thought was a diseased 1 inch sprouted stump, but turned out to be a healthy seedling, that hadn't leafed out yet...I ended up destroying an 8 inch tap root...be sure to give this one plenty of time to leaf out, even after it germinates. What threw me off, was the fact that after the seed germinated, the seed coat and initial set of leaves fell off, leaving a small leafless stub.
I'm happy my friend has some back up seedlings to share with me!!
I did the exact same thing with my seedlings last year. So that's why im looking to try again, now that I know better.
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oh mannii...I pulled up what I thought was a diseased 1 inch sprouted stump, but turned out to be a healthy seedling, that hadn't leafed out yet...I ended up destroying an 8 inch tap root...be sure to give this one plenty of time to leaf out, even after it germinates. What threw me off, was the fact that after the seed germinated, the seed coat and initial set of leaves fell off, leaving a small leafless stub.
I'm happy my friend has some back up seedlings to share with me!!
I did the exact same thing with my seedlings last year. So that's why im looking to try again, now that I know better.
Did that with a Kepel seedling...
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Yep I finally master Germinating & growing Kepel. My largest tree is eight feet tall, my God the Juvenile phase was so long. It is a miracle of nature how these annona species evolve. I gather the Junglesop mode operandi is the same as Kepel. You have to tell yourself to not touch it for 18 months. Even at two years my kepel is only 12 inches, so I suspect my 8 footer will hopefully bloom this year. Ok so does anyone has junglesop seeds for sale this year? I have waited 8 years for my kepels so junhlesop should be around time of my nursing home enrollment. Can you guy sell me some seeds? ;D
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Yes both the kepel and junglesop put down a long tap root before leaves start to emerge. This is usually a tactic of plants in areas with drought to insure moisture from deep below the surface. So it's strange that some plants from high rainfall areas do this also.
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Hello Everyone, I am currently looking for about 10 seeds of junglesop if there are any seed providers?
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The season for seeds is over.
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Felipe posted another photo of junglesop last year. :)
http://postimg.cc/image/xfcv91fff/ (http://postimg.cc/image/xfcv91fff/)
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The season for seeds is over.
What months are the season?
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Does anyone have pictures of the other Anonidium species? Anonidium floribundum has interesting flowers, does anyone know if it has edible fruit? Anonidium le-testui, Anonidium brieyi, Anonidium floribundum, and the rumored Anonidium usambarense look like good ones for collecters.
A. floribundum flowers
(http://s29.postimg.cc/a86p9avz7/Unknown.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a86p9avz7/)
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All the seeds from all the Junglesop fruits everywhere should be planted, to fruition.
In this way, the Junglesop fruit tree that is productive and produces fruit of great quality on a reliable yearly basis, will then be finally found.
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All the seeds from all the Junglesop fruits everywhere should be planted, to fruition.
In this way, the Junglesop fruit tree that produces fruit of great quality and on a reliable yearly basis, will then be finally found.
Did you read the posts from Jean in DR Congo? He indicated there and on his website that some of the species of Annonidium are not edible. But i forget which. AnnonAddict you can google his posts right on this forum at the bottom of the home page.
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I think we should concentrate on the edible ones that are on the Goldylocks zone description of great fruit/tree quality.
With a little bit of tinkering, as mentioned, this excellent fruit has the potential of being 'da bomb.'
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All of mine have been hit hard by some form of wilt. I only have maybe 2 left. The rest have declined, turned black and died. It's not the cold as the temps have been high.
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All of mine have been hit hard by some form of wilt. I only have maybe 2 left. The rest have declined, turned black and died. It's not the cold as the temps have been high.
I'm real sorry to hear that.
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oh mannii...I pulled up what I thought was a diseased 1 inch sprouted stump, but turned out to be a healthy seedling, that hadn't leafed out yet...I ended up destroying an 8 inch tap root...be sure to give this one plenty of time to leaf out, even after it germinates. What threw me off, was the fact that after the seed germinated, the seed coat and initial set of leaves fell off, leaving a small leafless stub.
I'm happy my friend has some back up seedlings to share with me!!
Oh mannii for me too, I accidentally spilled the pot the Junglesop was in and the root connection at the seed broke off. Will it regrow at this point? Pics below.
(http://s9.postimg.cc/r73q6ojcr/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/r73q6ojcr/)
(http://s9.postimg.cc/m769yqdq3/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/m769yqdq3/)
All help is appreciated, I got so worried when I heard the sound of the seed snapping.
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These are some of my sourpop on my land at south Coast of kenya. What kind is it? I dont know we call all of them stafeli in swahili.
(http://s7.postimg.cc/w59k1j0af/mombasa2012_030.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/w59k1j0af/)
(http://s30.postimg.cc/vw97fecnx/mombasa2012_031.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vw97fecnx/)
(http://s13.postimg.cc/fdy786joz/mombasa2012_032.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fdy786joz/)
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mwambao, that is guanabana - Annona muricata.
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oh mannii...I pulled up what I thought was a diseased 1 inch sprouted stump, but turned out to be a healthy seedling, that hadn't leafed out yet...I ended up destroying an 8 inch tap root...be sure to give this one plenty of time to leaf out, even after it germinates. What threw me off, was the fact that after the seed germinated, the seed coat and initial set of leaves fell off, leaving a small leafless stub.
I'm happy my friend has some back up seedlings to share with me!!
Oh mannii for me too, I accidentally spilled the pot the Junglesop was in and the root connection at the seed broke off. Will it regrow at this point? Pics below.
(http://s9.postimg.cc/r73q6ojcr/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/r73q6ojcr/)
(http://s9.postimg.cc/m769yqdq3/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/m769yqdq3/)
All help is appreciated, I got so worried when I heard the sound of the seed snapping.
Doubtful - but do plant the root with 1mm above ground; there is a chance sprouting from the root will occur.
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I lost my last 4 plants over the past week or so. They seemed to get some kind of root rot. So take early action against this if you can. The roots were massive and many split, like a sweet potato that has been left in the ground too long and had irregular watering.
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mwambao, that is guanabana - Annona muricata.
Thank you Felipe
mourad
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oh mannii...I pulled up what I thought was a diseased 1 inch sprouted stump, but turned out to be a healthy seedling, that hadn't leafed out yet...I ended up destroying an 8 inch tap root...be sure to give this one plenty of time to leaf out, even after it germinates. What threw me off, was the fact that after the seed germinated, the seed coat and initial set of leaves fell off, leaving a small leafless stub.
I'm happy my friend has some back up seedlings to share with me!!
Oh mannii for me too, I accidentally spilled the pot the Junglesop was in and the root connection at the seed broke off. Will it regrow at this point? Pics below.
(http://s9.postimg.cc/r73q6ojcr/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/r73q6ojcr/)
(http://s9.postimg.cc/m769yqdq3/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/m769yqdq3/)
All help is appreciated, I got so worried when I heard the sound of the seed snapping.
Doubtful - but do plant the root with 1mm above ground; there is a chance sprouting from the root will occur.
Oh mannii !
Looks like it could survive, but that's really pushing the limits!
Talk about heavy pruning! I do see a little stump though!
Please let us know if it survives...I don't imagine it would push out new leaves until late spring, or summer.
(not sure if I already posted this one, but here is a pic of my pair of junglesops....a wise man once told me...everything in pairs...pairs...gotta have pairs.) I have one in a root pruning pot....and I'm waiting for the smaller one to be ready for a root pruner pot...probably ready now.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/fv1rvub9v/01_07_2014_greenhouse_024.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fv1rvub9v/)
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oh mannii...I pulled up what I thought was a diseased 1 inch sprouted stump, but turned out to be a healthy seedling, that hadn't leafed out yet...I ended up destroying an 8 inch tap root...be sure to give this one plenty of time to leaf out, even after it germinates. What threw me off, was the fact that after the seed germinated, the seed coat and initial set of leaves fell off, leaving a small leafless stub.
I'm happy my friend has some back up seedlings to share with me!!
Oh mannii for me too, I accidentally spilled the pot the Junglesop was in and the root connection at the seed broke off. Will it regrow at this point? Pics below.
(http://s9.postimg.cc/r73q6ojcr/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/r73q6ojcr/)
(http://s9.postimg.cc/m769yqdq3/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/m769yqdq3/)
All help is appreciated, I got so worried when I heard the sound of the seed snapping.
Doubtful - but do plant the root with 1mm above ground; there is a chance sprouting from the root will occur.
Oh mannii !
Looks like it could survive, but that's really pushing the limits!
Talk about heavy pruning! I do see a little stump though!
Please let us know if it survives...I don't imagine it would push out new leaves until late spring, or summer.
(not sure if I already posted this one, but here is a pic of my pair of junglesops....a wise man once told me...everything in pairs...pairs...gotta have pairs.) I have one in a root pruning pot....and I'm waiting for the smaller one to be ready for a root pruner pot...probably ready now.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/fv1rvub9v/01_07_2014_greenhouse_024.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fv1rvub9v/)
Whew!
I think it will be fine, this has turned out to be a pretty hardy plant for me, one time I snapped the roots when taking it out for a look and within three days it already had replacement shoots coming out! I have found a place to get Scion from a mature tree but do not have a seedling to graft >:( :(.
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Ditto: oh mannii!
My little junglesop seed seems to have died, my heating table was unplugged for a few weeks without me noticing, the temprature variation killed many of my seeds, and I cannot find any signs of life with the junglesop, is there any hope? The endosperm was showing white through the edge of the seedcoat, but there is nothing currently visible. Does anybody have a spare seedling ::)?
Jackson, where will you be getting scions from? Remember that while Uganda specimens are said to be excellent, Cameroon selections are terrible and regarded as “cattle fodder.”
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Ditto: oh mannii!
My little junglesop seed seems to have died, my heating table was unplugged for a few weeks without me noticing, the temprature variation killed many of my seeds, and I cannot find any signs of life with the junglesop, is there any hope? The endosperm was showing white through the edge of the seedcoat, but there is nothing currently visible. Does anybody have a spare seedling ::)?
Jackson, where will you be getting scions from? Remember that while Uganda specimens are said to be excellent, Cameroon selections are terrible and regarded as “cattle fodder.”
I'll send you a PM because they asked for me not to reveal them.
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I have one plant of this species. It was burned a little bit from the cold weather but has survived. I don't know how good the quality of its fruit will be but it has survived and proven to be some what hardy (more hardy than jackfruits). I believe this species could be grown outside in SoCal.
Africa has many native fruit species that are still to be described and domesticated. It's just there have not been many selections of improved varieties. In order for fruit species to evolve they need frutavore species to eat and spread them. Africa is the ancestral home of hominids and contains many fruit eating species. The Congo basin should be assumed to contain many fruiting species that could be utilized.
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This junglesop has proven to be the hardiest plant I have!!! New roots have begun sprouting from it! I did not take pictures, I just very carefully excavated it to take a look. I've gotta control my impulses so I don't break anything...
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My two J-sops...in root pruner pots...
I love the new foliage..here is the larger of the two, front and back..
(http://s8.postimg.cc/rdogb1e1t/3_22_2014_020.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rdogb1e1t/)
(http://s8.postimg.cc/lmy9xb61t/3_22_2014_021.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lmy9xb61t/)
and the smaller one..about to push new leaves...I'm happy these aren't pH sensitive!
(http://s8.postimg.cc/ihdo73nfl/3_22_2014_022.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ihdo73nfl/)
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Nice going!
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Very nice foliage..
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Ditto: oh mannii!
My little junglesop seed seems to have died, my heating table was unplugged for a few weeks without me noticing, the temprature variation killed many of my seeds, and I cannot find any signs of life with the junglesop, is there any hope? The endosperm was showing white through the edge of the seedcoat, but there is nothing currently visible. Does anybody have a spare seedling ::)?
Jackson, where will you be getting scions from? Remember that while Uganda specimens are said to be excellent, Cameroon selections are terrible and regarded as “cattle fodder.”
For what I know it is not growing in Uganda, but then again, since present in Congo I wouldn't be surprised
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Wow, Junglesop in South Florida, fantastic!
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growing slow and steady...in deep shade, underneath a few of my 25 gal Red jaboticabas...
now the junglesop is really putting out some large leaves! (or at least one leaf)
(super happy that this one isn't sensitive to city water)
Looks like it will take this plant 4yrs to get 6ft tall??
(http://s30.postimg.cc/7vl7fxbjh/6_8_2014_010.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7vl7fxbjh/)
(http://s30.postimg.cc/m0r0hqkkt/6_8_2014_011.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/m0r0hqkkt/)
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you are making me so sad adam
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you are making me so sad adam
;D
(http://s30.postimg.cc/sqn89a6sd/cheer.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sqn89a6sd/)
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http://www.sfecologie.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Un-mangabey-noir-Lophocebus-aterrimus-mangeant-le-fruit-dAnonidium-mannii.jpg (http://www.sfecologie.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Un-mangabey-noir-Lophocebus-aterrimus-mangeant-le-fruit-dAnonidium-mannii.jpg)
here is the real master of the junglesop
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;D Ha! Ha!
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http://www.sfecologie.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Un-mangabey-noir-Lophocebus-aterrimus-mangeant-le-fruit-dAnonidium-mannii.jpg (http://www.sfecologie.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Un-mangabey-noir-Lophocebus-aterrimus-mangeant-le-fruit-dAnonidium-mannii.jpg)
here is the real master of the junglesop
LOL
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Has anyone ever attempted to graft junglesop onto another Annona species? If it is compatible, this could possibly overcome the long germination/tap root phase that seems to be problematic.
Of course, finding a quality scion source would still be an issue.
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growing slow and steady...in deep shade, underneath a few of my 25 gal Red jaboticabas...
now the junglesop is really putting out some large leaves! (or at least one leaf)
(super happy that this one isn't sensitive to city water)
Looks like it will take this plant 4yrs to get 6ft tall??
(http://s30.postimg.cc/7vl7fxbjh/6_8_2014_010.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7vl7fxbjh/)
(http://s30.postimg.cc/m0r0hqkkt/6_8_2014_011.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/m0r0hqkkt/)
Mine are about the same height, but grown in 30% shade with long leaves but not that broad. Mangomike - the "long germination phase" isn't that long in my perspective and compares with Asimina, but much shorter than kepel (at least the ecotype I am growing).
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I got this from Troy;
Anonidium manni is a very tricky species particularly if the seed is oxygen depleted during germination or a rapid temperature change. The seed will partial germinate and then stop or go on a go slow to the detriment of the germination.
Perhaps a soak in hydrogen peroxide?
Then followed up with a Gibberellic Acid treatment. Some oddly 'designed' seeds dont rely on cell stretching (GA3's main strength), but a general rule of thumb is seeds that have shells do.
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GA is not needed at all, germination is quick
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growth rate is picking up!
i will be looking for the next size root pruner pot soon!
(http://s27.postimg.cc/ig3yngjyn/DSCN0467.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ig3yngjyn/)
(http://s13.postimg.cc/njdtot5tf/DSCN0468.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/njdtot5tf/)
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Looking very healthy! I've got some growing also, but smaller than yours. I planted mine in deep citrus type 3 gallon pots.
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repotted the largest of my two j-sops...
before in small, 3 gal? root pruner
(http://s1.postimg.cc/jm62hs9a3/IMG_0048.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jm62hs9a3/)
new pants, about 15 gal, root accelerator...inside another decorative pot, to keep weeds from growing out of the holes, and to reduce moisture loss
(http://s1.postimg.cc/44ike32t7/IMG_0049.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/44ike32t7/)
tree laying down with pants off
(http://s1.postimg.cc/4srex11iz/IMG_0050.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4srex11iz/)
where the sun don't shine, the root ball is exposed (was loose, and didn't hold together well)
(http://s1.postimg.cc/wrlknw35n/IMG_0051.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wrlknw35n/)
after
(http://s1.postimg.cc/6gqkbofej/IMG_0053.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6gqkbofej/)
foliage
(http://s1.postimg.cc/9mb61vy0r/IMG_0052.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9mb61vy0r/)
where the tree will sit for now, in the shade of my red jabos, protecting from wind, and intense sun....notice the smaller tree in the foreground...i think both were planted at the same time.
(http://s1.postimg.cc/lvu6sji7v/IMG_0056.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lvu6sji7v/)
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Very nice Adam :)
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Adam,
Which root pruner pots are you using again?
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Very nice Adam :)
thanks Saltcayman!
Adam,
Which root pruner pots are you using again?
i use a variety of root pruner pots..the best ones are the "root maker" pots...the root accelerators are ok...but I like the design of root maker better..
i just pick them up used, sometimes nursery throw them away.
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Looking good Adam! BTW got to see very big junglesop tree at Jim West's place. Still not fruited, but i guess he'll be first one outside of Africa to fruit it. I'll try to post a photo of the tree later.
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Looking good Adam! BTW got to see very big junglesop tree at Jim West's place. Still not fruited, but i guess he'll be first one outside of Africa to fruit it. I'll try to post a photo of the tree later.
thanks Oscar..
how big would you say the tree is?
i remember asking Jim about the junglesop..i think he said it might be dioecious...he's seen (or heard of) a tree that produced flowers on a long inflorescence...I'm supposing this would be the male flower?
I still wonder about this...
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Looking good Adam! BTW got to see very big junglesop tree at Jim West's place. Still not fruited, but i guess he'll be first one outside of Africa to fruit it. I'll try to post a photo of the tree later.
thanks Oscar..
how big would you say the tree is?
i remember asking Jim about the junglesop..i think he said it might be dioecious...he's seen (or heard of) a tree that produced flowers on a long inflorescence...I'm supposing this would be the male flower?
I still wonder about this...
Jim has several trees, but only one was quite large. I don't remember exact size, but was probably over 15 feet tall. Maybe looking at my photos will jog my memory?
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How old are yours Adam?
I am so far behind in this race. But third year is the charm right?
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How old are yours Adam?
I am so far behind in this race. But third year is the charm right?
i think mine are about 2 yrs old,or less...this will be their second winter...
but u gotta figure..they took about 6-8 month to germinate...
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hello , anyone knows if the seeds from http://www.tradewindsfruit.com (http://www.tradewindsfruit.com) are from good junglesop trees ? or where can i find to buy 2-3 seeds of good quality fruit ? i am annona enthusiast , and i would love to know a good source , judging by the fact that takes ages to fruit , i would hate to wait 10-15 years and get dissapointed. thanks
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It seems that the seeds they sell are from Cameroon.Is there anyone in here selling seeds from a good quaility fruit ?
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I doubt they are the best variety, only because I've read that only about 30% of them are good eating.
This means odds are against us.
But fear not, collect whatever seeds you can...im not even sure if seeds would be true of a superior variety...it would probably be best to get budwood, and you can use the seeds from trade winds as rootstock.
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It seems that the seeds they sell are from Cameroon.Is there anyone in here selling seeds from a good quaility fruit ?
In Cameroon it is not consumed by humans....
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Yes i know , that's why I was asking.Regarding budwood , there is no chance in the world I can get such thing in here (I am from Romania) , barely managed to find 2 Rollinia at some other collector , and the cherymoia seeds i found in a fruit , also rare around here.Due to our climate , there is none availeble in here , nor anyone to grow them.I am the only guy , insane enough to dig a huge hole and make a greenhouse to grow annnonas and mangos.I hope i manage to finish it untill the monsters grow.
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I ordered yesterday some yellow junglesop seeds from Borneo.Anyone knows if there the fruits taste good ?
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I ordered yesterday some yellow junglesop seeds from Borneo.Anyone knows if there the fruits taste good ?
Junglesop doesn't grow in Borneo, only Africa. I hope you didn't order them from Dorgon? He is a very famous swindler.
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Yes i did , did i just got scammed ?
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Yes i did , did i just got scammed ?
Sorry to say, yes you did. If he hasn't sent it out i would cancel the order and ask for a refund.
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FML , and he is 99 % positive feedback on ebay.Just a negative out of 197 deals.Why people give him good feedback ? I will try to get refunded , tho probably wont work .
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"I don't remember the sellers name, but I'll never forget his hideous two inch thumb nail and cracker jack box pinky ring"
I'm sorry you've been Dorgonized.
btw check out this junglesop I've got fruiting
(http://s16.postimg.cc/wkhdz3x9t/IMG_0567.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wkhdz3x9t/)
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So where can i find a reliable junglesop seed supplier ?
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"I don't remember the sellers name, but I'll never forget his hideous two inch thumb nail and cracker jack box pinky ring"
I'm sorry you've been Dorgonized.
btw check out this junglesop I've got fruiting
(http://s16.postimg.cc/wkhdz3x9t/IMG_0567.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wkhdz3x9t/)
LMFAO...CLAWS, just like dorgon!!! ;D
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Haha we've got a topic dedicated just to Dorgon's thumbnail on the off topic section.
I'm thinking about having a contest for longest thumbnail, winner gets $100 store credit.
I've also offered Dorgon $20 so far for his nail, clipped fresh, wrapped in buddy tape, and sent via EMS to my house...but he has declined my offer....I might have to offer more...I wonder if he'll even send his own nail, or if he'll bait and switch, selling me a transient's fungus riddled toenail?
:P
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So where can i find a reliable junglesop seed supplier ?
Troy or Eric can help you; email Troy on culloton <at> hotmail <dot> com
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...Adam - love your stylish nails and ring; perhaps a gimmick for the next grafting video.?
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Ya Dorgon is a scammer, don't feel bad, lots of us have fallen for it. But it you look at the photos, he has one of a junglesop and the rest are mountain soursop, if you end up getting the seed im sure he'll send you mountain soursop seeds and you can definitely contest it with ebay and paypal cause they look nothing like Junglesop seeds
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Haha we've got a topic dedicated just to Dorgon's thumbnail on the off topic section.
I'm thinking about having a contest for longest thumbnail, winner gets $100 store credit.
I've also offered Dorgon $20 so far for his nail, clipped fresh, wrapped in buddy tape, and sent via EMS to my house...but he has declined my offer....I might have to offer more...I wonder if he'll even send his own nail, or if he'll bait and switch, selling me a transient's fungus riddled toenail?
:P
Hey Adam,
Gonna check the thread out...hehe!
Watch out for the birdie! ;)
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Has anyone ever heard about the seedless junglesop they were trying to locate a mother tree of in Zaire in the mid 1990s?
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Looking good Adam! BTW got to see very big junglesop tree at Jim West's place. Still not fruited, but i guess he'll be first one outside of Africa to fruit it. I'll try to post a photo of the tree later.
Don Gray had grafted Junglesop for sale in 1993. I'm not sure if they were fruiting at that point, but that was over 20 years ago, so there should be some already fruiting in FNQ...?
http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/GrayProperty11-93.htm (http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/GrayProperty11-93.htm)
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BMc,
great detective work!
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Looking good Adam! BTW got to see very big junglesop tree at Jim West's place. Still not fruited, but i guess he'll be first one outside of Africa to fruit it. I'll try to post a photo of the tree later.
Don Gray had grafted Junglesop for sale in 1993. I'm not sure if they were fruiting at that point, but that was over 20 years ago, so there should be some already fruiting in FNQ...?
http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/GrayProperty11-93.htm (http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/GrayProperty11-93.htm)
Send Mike T, the fruit snoop to snoop it out. ;) Does that property still exist? Is Don Gray still kicking?
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"I don't remember the sellers name, but I'll never forget his hideous two inch thumb nail and cracker jack box pinky ring"
I'm sorry you've been Dorgonized.
btw check out this junglesop I've got fruiting
(http://s16.postimg.cc/wkhdz3x9t/IMG_0567.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wkhdz3x9t/)
Impressive doesn't even begin to describe it. I suspect that is probably either one of a few, or the only producing Junglesop in the USA. It's amazing how quickly it started to produce fruit. I was under the impression that it would take many years for fruiting to begin. I can't wait for the taste/quality report on this seedling. It's already surprised with quickly setting fruit, I hope the surprises keep coming, like humongous crazy fruit size and quality/taste.
If I understand it correctly that you planted the seed in October 31, 2012, and it's already fruiting, that is crazy fast, nice going!
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Leooel,
look close, i was possessed by the spirit of Dorgon!
my thumb nail grew an extra couple inches, and a pinky ring appeared under my pillow when I awoke...
I felt like deceiving some forum members to get attention...
it was just a Biriba, I was passing off as a junglesop! :P
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I gotta say, that biriba is almost as ugly as the fingernail...
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I gotta say, that biriba is almost as ugly as the fingernail...
I agree - Annona mucosa cv 'Dorgon' ?
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(http://s12.postimg.cc/6w50q7zih/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6w50q7zih/)
Just separate my junglsop pot, they had far fewer and delicate Roots than I was expecting. I hope they all make it, I have like 12 which means I can play around with them to find a location they will happily grow in
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Leooel,
look close, i was possessed by the spirit of Dorgon!
my thumb nail grew an extra couple inches, and a pinky ring appeared under my pillow when I awoke...
I felt like deceiving some forum members to get attention...
it was just a Biriba, I was passing off as a junglesop! :P
>:( That is just cruel man, cruel. ;)
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Leooel,
look close, i was possessed by the spirit of Dorgon!
my thumb nail grew an extra couple inches, and a pinky ring appeared under my pillow when I awoke...
I felt like deceiving some forum members to get attention...
it was just a Biriba, I was passing off as a junglesop! :P
>:( That is just cruel man, cruel. ;)
Careful! At least Adam admitted his wrong doing. You'd be a very EASY mark for the infamous Dorgon. ;)
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Oscar; he might even use Adam's photo as his own on eBay - so he better watermark it right away ;D
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So where can i find a reliable junglesop seed supplier ?
Troy or Eric can help you; email Troy on culloton <at> hotmail <dot> com
Thanks Soren, hope to get a reply, I think the fruits ripen around April in the northern hemisphere from memory.
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Hello , the seeds from Dorgon arrived.Im surprised they are actually from some annona.They arrived in wet cotton , and they even had germination instructions!!!
I will put some pics , to compare , the bunched seeds are sent from Dorgon while the solitary one is from a Cherimoya , with i suspect to be Pierce.
What you cannot see in the picture is the actual colour , while that solitary seed is dark , nearly black , the ones from Dorgon are a redish brown , pretty bright.
They do look like there from here http://www.africamuseum.be/prelude/prelude_pic/Anonidium_mannii3.jpg (http://www.africamuseum.be/prelude/prelude_pic/Anonidium_mannii3.jpg) but i serioously doubt there are from junglesop
Any thoughts?
(http://s27.postimg.cc/8lic9t6un/IMG_0496.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8lic9t6un/)
(http://s27.postimg.cc/xc80nmm7j/IMG_0498.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xc80nmm7j/)
(http://s27.postimg.cc/6bpmlb8j3/IMG_0499.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6bpmlb8j3/)
(http://s27.postimg.cc/fi7x8ldrj/IMG_0500.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fi7x8ldrj/)
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(http://s27.postimg.cc/5ngs2d9tb/IMG_0503.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5ngs2d9tb/)
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Fake - these are completely different from Annondium mannii seeds, which are large, not-shiny, oval and flattened - sorry.!
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Had an email from Troy, he has many two and three yo junglesop trees for sale. Just slow in reply, waiting....waiting......probably busy in their day jobs.
Have left an order for two x 3yo trees.
So where can i find a reliable junglesop seed supplier ?
Troy or Eric can help you; email Troy on culloton <at> hotmail <dot> com
Thanks Soren, hope to get a reply, I think the fruits ripen around April in the northern hemisphere from memory.
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Onkel,
this seeds probably one of Indonesian Annona squamosa big fruit variety, like Srikaya Jumbo.
Anonidium seed is threefold.
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I'm amused by this thread. I love the desire for diversity. I just think it is funny that eveyone on this thread is chomping at the bit to grow a a fruit that no one in Africa wants!
Of course if you come up with a delicious variety I would like to place a pre-order at this time.
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I'm amused by this thread. I love the desire for diversity. I just think it is funny that eveyone on this thread is chomping at the bit to grow a a fruit that no one in Africa wants!
Of course if you come up with a delicious variety I would like to place a pre-order at this time.
Not true - from the seed source in cameroon they admittedly don't eat it; but in several other countries they do - and with the vast range there should be plenty of genetic variations to explain why it is a sought fruit in one country but not another.
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I'm amused by this thread. I love the desire for diversity. I just think it is funny that eveyone on this thread is chomping at the bit to grow a a fruit that no one in Africa wants!
Of course if you come up with a delicious variety I would like to place a pre-order at this time.
No true - from the seed source in cameroon they admittedly don't eat it; but in several other countries they do - and with the vast range there should be plenty of genetic variations to explain why it is a sought fruit in one country but not another.
My bad, I glossed the not liked in Africa with Cameroon.
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I'm amused by this thread. I love the desire for diversity. I just think it is funny that eveyone on this thread is chomping at the bit to grow a a fruit that no one in Africa wants!
Of course if you come up with a delicious variety I would like to place a pre-order at this time.
Almost all domestication and breeding once started from tasteless wild fruits.
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hey guys , for you there are some new pics with dorgons pinky
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Borneo-Sabah-Lampun-Annona-Giant-Soursop-Species-very-sweet-10-FRESH-SEEDS-RARE-/251624698658?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a96003322 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Borneo-Sabah-Lampun-Annona-Giant-Soursop-Species-very-sweet-10-FRESH-SEEDS-RARE-/251624698658?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a96003322)
Enjoy
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hey guys , for you there are some new pics with dorgons pinky
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Borneo-Sabah-Lampun-Annona-Giant-Soursop-Species-very-sweet-10-FRESH-SEEDS-RARE-/251624698658?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a96003322 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Borneo-Sabah-Lampun-Annona-Giant-Soursop-Species-very-sweet-10-FRESH-SEEDS-RARE-/251624698658?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a96003322)
Enjoy
Borneo Sabah? I'm sure he bought that soursop in his local Singapore supermarket.
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Onkel,
check out my borneo yellow junglesop, :P
thanks for sharing the latest pics of the most infamous tropical fruit finger nail in the world! There is a $100 bounty for that finger nail.
(http://s9.postimg.cc/l7y9n3eff/IMG_0728_01.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/l7y9n3eff/)
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Well , after i send that dorgon an email and told him to stop the crap and tell me what those seeds were , he said that they are soursop and that "indigenously" they are called soursop , junglesop or anonidium manni.That is a soursop with yellow pulp .Nice indigenous population in Sarawak , knowing the botanical names and such ;D
Guys , as there is no facebook group dedicated to Annona sp. i created one , there was needed one.
Please join the group , your experience with these trees is huge.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/787632107986618/?notif_t=group_description_change (https://www.facebook.com/groups/787632107986618/?notif_t=group_description_change)
There is the group , and i hope you all join ,
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welcome the the jungle...sop.
(http://s18.postimg.cc/q7rzw7qbp/IMG_1205.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/q7rzw7qbp/)
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welcome the the jungle...sop.
(http://s18.postimg.cc/q7rzw7qbp/IMG_1205.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/q7rzw7qbp/)
(http://s18.postimg.cc/ca0mzfdhh/IMG_1206.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ca0mzfdhh/)
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Looking Good, about a year ahead of me? How did your handle the freeze this year? I had a couple that die to the stump & slowly crawling back. Another one didnot seem effected! Plant 100 lost 85 to brief freeze, welcome to the Jungle?😂
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thanks Coconut,
the tree must be about 3yrs old now...it handled the cold quite well, it saw temps of about 35F in the greenhouse, and so did it's smaller counterpart (which was totally unscathed). The larger tree in my photo did shed some older leaves (maybe 3-4) even though the leaves were totally green and healthy looking, and it also got a small black spot that showed up on the soft wood of the terminal shoot. It looks like it will be a purely cosmetic lesion, having no lasting effects.
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Adam, how long did your Junglesop seedlings take to sprout above the soil line?
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Adam, how long did your Junglesop seedlings take to sprout above the soil line?
seems like it can take over 6 months if you plant them going into the winter.
it sends down a long tap root before breaching the surface of the soil.
just plant them and don't molest them
I have killed several by digging them out of the soil, and breaking the tap root as they're germinating.
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Hey Adam~ May I inquire as to where one may purchase said 'junglesop' seeds? Many thanks to the Myrciaria/Plinia masta. Chris
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Hey Adam~ May I inquire as to where one may purchase said 'junglesop' seeds? Many thanks to the Myrciaria/Plinia masta. Chris
Oscar at Fruitlovers & tradewind nursery have them when in season in October/ November. Grow them like you grow Kepels, stick it in good potting soil & not over water. Check back with them in six to 12 months. Dont stick them out in open and test them at 32 F degree like this Idiot; yes they frooze to death & not freeze hardy!😆 Seeds must be fresh to have good germination like Kepel!
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has anyone noticed that the leaves of this species are variegated (very faintly) before they fully harden off?
it's very pretty...easier to notice at night with a flash light.
Hey Adam~ May I inquire as to where one may purchase said 'junglesop' seeds? Many thanks to the Myrciaria/Plinia masta. Chris
Chris, i got mine from a friend already sprouted! last time i got seeds was also from a friend..but I think u can find them on the forum sometimes...just be sure to research the seller! some people show up out of nowhere, and offer great seeds...but their shipping and packaging skills are not up to par...or they don't know (or care) about how to make sure seeds are viable.
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Many thanks for the info Coconut and Adam! Chris
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Until I hear otherwise, I believe the only seed source is from Cameroon (Eric W., and another guy Eric knows).
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lol...i just realized i mispelled the botanical name of junglesop...Anonidium not annonidum.
now maybe this thread will come up higher in the google search results when you search this name?
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one of the sellers who had seeds before:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10165.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10165.0)
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The title is still misspelled.
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thanks Har!
i fixed it
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it's very hard to tell during the day time, but see if you can notice the variegation I'm talking about.
it's faint, but definitely variegated.
(i think they all have this feature, it's just barely noticeable.)
has anyone noticed that the leaves of this species are variegated (very faintly) before they fully harden off?
it's very pretty...easier to notice at night with a flash light.
Hey Adam~ May I inquire as to where one may purchase said 'junglesop' seeds? Many thanks to the Myrciaria/Plinia masta. Chris
Chris, i got mine from a friend already sprouted! last time i got seeds was also from a friend..but I think u can find them on the forum sometimes...just be sure to research the seller! some people show up out of nowhere, and offer great seeds...but their shipping and packaging skills are not up to par...or they don't know (or care) about how to make sure seeds are viable.
(http://s11.postimg.cc/r9y6j1zkf/IMG_1486.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/r9y6j1zkf/)
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Do see some small white mottled spots. Wow you must have X-ray vision to spot that. Or do you spend all your free time staring at your plants? ;) 8)
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I noticed something similar on mine sedlings. I think this is some chlorophill deficience in the young leaves of seedlings due usual sunlight shortage in nature tropical forest.
I planted seeds in 25 cm tall pot and it was not enough very quikly.
My expirience - if you seedlings has more 5 cm tall, transplant them into at least 40 cm pot.
Believe me, I saw the size of the root. :o :)
Black leaf margin indicate transplant need or too cold soil temperature.
I mean Anonidium don't like temperature less then 23 Celsius even in the night.
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It may be a mild deficiency of Manganese.
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updated pics of the biggest junglesop in town...(I'm shooting for east of the Mississippi next)
(http://s2.postimg.cc/y766unjg5/IMG_2111.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/y766unjg5/)
(http://s2.postimg.cc/p0nw7de7p/IMG_2113.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/p0nw7de7p/)
starting to get some branching, at one of the nodes where a leaf was shed, after last winter.
(http://s2.postimg.cc/a25hcxz5h/IMG_2115.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a25hcxz5h/)
(http://s2.postimg.cc/o7baer86t/IMG_2116.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/o7baer86t/)
look at all the colors of the new stems, it reminds me of an image from hubble, complete with the proper color scheme, and intergalactic looking white spots!
(http://s2.postimg.cc/dj7jfwy7p/IMG_2117.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dj7jfwy7p/)
see what I'm saying? :D
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Really cool. 8) Yours have grown a lot faster than mine. I gotta start giving them some more TLC. Right now they're being neglected. Thanks for reminding me about them.
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Adam, how old is that tree?
I will take 4 pre-healed grafts, ok ;) :o ;D
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Adam, how old is that tree?
I will take 4 pre-healed grafts, ok ;) :o ;D
I think it's 3yrs old now.
Lol, too bad I can't think of a rootstock to use! I don't have plans to graft any.
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Likewise, I haven't heard of any successful grafting on other species. Or on its own either.
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here is what she looks like after her growth spurt
(http://s15.postimg.cc/xgvzc4tav/IMG_2988.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xgvzc4tav/)
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Awesome as usual Adam! I would greatly appreciate any info (from anyone) on a possible seed source on the down-low ;) I need this in my life. Thank you- Chris
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the larger seedling is almost 8ft tall....about 3yr old?
(http://s32.postimg.cc/7zglbhtwx/IMG_0414.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7zglbhtwx/)
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Nice looking trees you have there
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Awesome! You'll quite probably be the first to fruit them in the USA.
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Awesome! You'll quite probably be the first to fruit them in the USA.
That is unless, some crazy plant collector with $20,000 shows up and offers to buy them! Hahahaha
Hope my prices aren't too high!!
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I spoke with Paul Noren at length about junglesop. He has not yet confirmed it is dioecious but he is strongly suspicious that it is. He also commented that junglesop can be very good or very bad so it is important to get seeds from a good tree to increase your probability of getting palatable fruit.
John
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I spoke with Paul Noren at length about junglesop. He has not yet confirmed it is dioecious but he is strongly suspicious that it is. He also commented that junglesop can be very good or very bad so it is important to get seeds from a good tree to increase your probability of getting palatable fruit.
John
I believe the term is "Androdioecy", where the species has hermaphroditic plants, and male plants, but not necessarily male/female (typical dioecious)
https://books.google.com/books?id=zy3qCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=anonidium+dioecious&source=bl&ots=OBh2mhPoWc&sig=q2yVa7y1Bw0R2gN0tSFL3xKVPd0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9wpmbqYLRAhVCOyYKHfHyBWQQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=anonidium%20dioecious&f=false
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Adam,
Did the junglesop tree survive Irma?
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Aw, man. I was hoping that the reason that these usually take at least 10 years to fruit was because they grow slowly; if so I'd be able to start one and while it would take a long time, it wouldn't take up too much greenhouse space in the meantime. But after seeing how FlyingFoxFruit's trees have put on a good chunk of a meter per year, I guess that's not an option!
I'm also curious as to how his trees are doing. They looked pretty healthy in the last pics. :)
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Aw, man. I was hoping that the reason that these usually take at least 10 years to fruit was because they grow slowly; if so I'd be able to start one and while it would take a long time, it wouldn't take up too much greenhouse space in the meantime. But after seeing how FlyingFoxFruit's trees have put on a good chunk of a meter per year, I guess that's not an option!
I'm also curious as to how his trees are doing. They looked pretty healthy in the last pics. :)
they weren't going to be something that I propagate, and they were getting so large, i decided to sell them both...the person that got them is in a much better area for growing them, so they actually have a chance to fruit...but they chose to remain anonymous, I don't know if they share pics.
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Adam,
Did the junglesop tree survive Irma?
yes, i had sold them by then, but they did fine
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Well, at least it's good to know that they went to a good home :) Hopefully they'll be among that lucky 30% that tastes good ;)
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Just got a few seeds from Cameroon, hopefully one or two germinate. Has anyone had any luck yet?
(https://i.postimg.cc/zVGMP0gx/20190715-130700.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zVGMP0gx)
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I got around 15 from same seller and majority of them germinated.
Just don’t over water or give to much humidity.
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Aw, man. I was hoping that the reason that these usually take at least 10 years to fruit was because they grow slowly; if so I'd be able to start one and while it would take a long time, it wouldn't take up too much greenhouse space in the meantime. But after seeing how FlyingFoxFruit's trees have put on a good chunk of a meter per year, I guess that's not an option!
I'm also curious as to how his trees are doing. They looked pretty healthy in the last pics. :)
they weren't going to be something that I propagate, and they were getting so large, i decided to sell them both...the person that got them is in a much better area for growing them, so they actually have a chance to fruit...but they chose to remain anonymous, I don't know if they share pics.
I am curious how much you sold them for
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I bought seeds from Cameroon many times. I try to grow it in Russia as a greenhouse plant. It must be stupid, but I really want to have it in my collection. I have no results yet, it is constantly rotting roots and dying. Soon going to buy another 20 seeds.
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HELP!
I first ordered 2 seeds from tradewinds fruit. They arrived partially sprouted but when i planted them in soil (fresh sterilized soil) they quickly rotted and were eaten by insects.
I searched and searched until I found a contact in Cameroon that sent me some Anondinum Mannii seeds. It took over a year to search, find a contact, and then actually obtain a pile of seeds. I managed to get 25 seeds and have had them in soil for about 6 months. Today I decided to checkup on some of them since I have not noticed any sprouting. As I feared, the ones that I checked on seem to have rotted and made no progress rooting.
Where can I find information about how to germinate and grow these trees? Also, is there any advice on where to find good quality seeds? I have not had this kind of problem with other seeds and I live in Hawaii on Oahu so I have a warm tropical climate available that should be a good growing climate for these plants. I wonder if I should have peeled off the outer shell or somehow scoured the seeds?
Please offer any advice on purchasing good quality seeds and on how to germinate and grow these trees.
Mahalo
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This forum is a great place to ask such questions, but in this case you may learn just as much or more on a dedicated Facebook group:
"Annona (Raimondia and Rollinia), Asimina, Duguetia... All Annonaceae"
Several participants are posting about their early successes with Junglesop, now planting out in the field several 2-3-foot specimens.
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Just plant your Junglesop seeds in the ground .I did over 2 years ago no problems, same with safou.You might have to put some chicken wire around them to protect from armadillos and others.
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Yes--- direct-seeding into the ground with the seed of any tree avoids any issues with restriction or killing of taproots, or with root-binding of lateral roots.
This should be into native soil, or into improved topsoil that is over a wide area. A deep wide hole filled with composts and potting soils and garbage, etc., such as bananas love to be planted in, is unlikely to work for any of our jungle trees.
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HELP!
I first ordered 2 seeds from tradewinds fruit. They arrived partially sprouted but when i planted them in soil (fresh sterilized soil) they quickly rotted and were eaten by insects.
I searched and searched until I found a contact in Cameroon that sent me some Anondinum Mannii seeds. It took over a year to search, find a contact, and then actually obtain a pile of seeds. I managed to get 25 seeds and have had them in soil for about 6 months. Today I decided to checkup on some of them since I have not noticed any sprouting. As I feared, the ones that I checked on seem to have rotted and made no progress rooting.
Where can I find information about how to germinate and grow these trees? Also, is there any advice on where to find good quality seeds? I have not had this kind of problem with other seeds and I live in Hawaii on Oahu so I have a warm tropical climate available that should be a good growing climate for these plants. I wonder if I should have peeled off the outer shell or somehow scoured the seeds?
Please offer any advice on purchasing good quality seeds and on how to germinate and grow these trees.
Mahalo
Either the seeds you got were not fresh, or you over watered and they rotted. Occasionally have these seeds for sale, but don't have any right now. They are not hard to sprout, but take very long time to show growth above ground. They put out a long tap root first, so you should either use a very deep pot or plant into the ground.
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Holy tap root!