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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Custard Apples Florida
« on: February 29, 2012, 11:11:19 PM »
Here it's best to use A. reticulata rootstock.  Cherimoya does not work well here but may be OK in Calif.

I will try to graft one on to  cherimoya seedling and see if it works. Now I have to find scion anyone want to make a donation ;D

JF

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Atemoya Most Like Cherimoya
« on: February 29, 2012, 11:07:28 PM »
Geftner and African Pride seem to do well in this part of Socal. Lisa does very well here also. My friend Minh has a 48-26 tree that was loaded in Santa Ana and I tried the fruit for the first time.

JF

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Joe, I've been looking for some African Pride budwood to graft onto my Gefner.  I send you a PM.

Greg

No problem Greg. I'll throw in  some California sugar apple budwood. I'm trying to preserve this tree because the owner of the tree is in a nursing home and his children are selling the house. You got mail.

JF

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Atemoya Most Like Cherimoya
« on: February 29, 2012, 08:33:08 PM »
No, he got the Cherimoya from someone out west. I have been thinking about getting the Geffner seems like thats the most popular variety.
I would recommend African Pride as well....I can't really tell the difference between those two..

JF

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I just prune my friend's, cangrejo, fruiting sugar apple and have extra wood,....also have some estra african pride atemoya wood.

JF

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bought Persimmon from Home Depot
« on: February 28, 2012, 09:24:26 PM »
Home Depot at Corona, CA location had all bare root fruits for sale at additional 50% off. I bought 2 Persimmon bare root plants, 6' tall each for $12/ea.  The stock looked quite healthy and 1.5" thick

Good find Behl

What varieties? and lets see some pics.
JF

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Custard Apples Florida
« on: February 28, 2012, 09:15:42 PM »
Adiel
San Pablo, Canul, Tikal, Sarteneja are all nice. I found out today that the Custard Apple fruit pictured in the beginning of this thread was grafted from a large Custard apple tree that Richard Wilson grows on his property close to his house.

Sheehan
Do you know the name of the Excaliber red custard apple?     

Noel

What rootstock do you guys use to graft custard apple? can you use cherimoya?

JF

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If only someone owned a video camera and say had access to a tropical fruit forum website.......then we all could share in his knowledge (w/out a plane ticket).

you lucky guys,
-Ethan

The California Cherimoya Assc are having their annual meeting this Saturday at Altadena. Several experts will speak on the subject.
http://www.ocfruit.com/files/CCAmtg2012.pdf

JF

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya taste-testing
« on: February 27, 2012, 11:45:33 PM »

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Hi Rodney
I'm getting some wood...
JF

Good to know Joe   ;D
j/k  hey if they can't come up with the scions you need for El Bumpo, I might be able to help... you'd just have to remind me way way ahead of times  :D

Teamwork :D

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Hey JF, I feel that SD has similar weather aside from the humidity because we can grow similar crops here in SD and in S Florida such as oranges, avocados, lychees and Longan. Here in San diego, we are just miles from Mexico. Although S Florida can be very different than SD, depending on what exactly you are comparing, it is my belief that SD is one of the few counties that can grow similar sub tropicals as S Florida. Besides SD, there are only a few areas in California, Arizona, and Texas that I know of.
Simon

Trust me Simon, I was born and raised in Miami FL and at 18 years of age the Marines brought me to North San Diego County where I resided for almost 4 years, There is a HUGE difference in climate between SD and Miami FL. South Florida is just stone throwing distance from the Tropic of Cancer we are NOT. Here is the difference from our zone 10B in my home in La Habra, which is a warmer climate than SD, to Harry's 10B...HUGE differences, never mind the humidity, look at the night temps.
monthly average for La Habra
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/vacationplanner/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/90631
monthly average for Miami
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/vacationplanner/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USFL0316

sure we can grow some of the thing that South Florida can but with HUGE sacrifices.

JF

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya taste-testing
« on: February 27, 2012, 11:11:52 PM »
I have an El Bumpo, Fino de Jete, Pierce, Honeyhart & Selma based on recommendations.  It's good to hear that these are highly regarded.

Hi Rodney
I'm getting some wood Fino,Bumpo, saber and some other one so I can graft on to my Pierce and Booth which btw were in the top 5 in the survey for most of the folks I spoke to.

JF


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya taste-testing
« on: February 27, 2012, 01:12:30 PM »
You can always part ways with one of your mangoes, I'll take that Spirt of 76 off your hands to make room  ;D   You seem a bit obsessed with El Bumpo huh?   

There's this smallish conical cherimoya, decently high in seed count, but very unique in flavor.  Thick skin, very aromatic, hints of citrus & pineapple in flavor.  It smelled intoxicatingly beautiful.  Have you or anyone else had something similarly described?  I'll remember to take pictures next time we get some more.

LOL so you like the Spirit of 76haha It's blooming like crazy right now but it's just a long 5 foot stick. Next year I'll have plenty of cuttings and I'll send some your way. I loved El Bumpo but Fino was better. I was talking to Dario and his father for a while about my seedy Booth and Pierce and their advice was to thin the fruit and hand pollinate them correctly. I just stuck the brush in and pull it outLOL Anyway the California Cherimoya Assoc is having their annual meeting this Saturday. If you are interested it's $25 for lunch and membership with several guess speakers inAltadena.http://www.ocfruit.com/files/CCAmtg2012.pdf

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya taste-testing
« on: February 27, 2012, 12:10:50 PM »
You know what Tim, I kicked myself for not doing it. I thought about it after I left SCREC. I'm waiting for the results of the survey our Local Chapter will buy some budwood from the top 5 cherimoyas. I'm going to graft whatever they pick up on to my Pierce and Booth. I don't have anymore spots to fit anymore trees:(

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Simon

San Diego is nothing like South Florida. San Diego has a very mild climate. Miami is a hop skip & a jump from the tropic of cancer.


JF

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya taste-testing
« on: February 26, 2012, 08:36:20 PM »
Here is another excellent variety that was as big as a cantaloupe with creamy flesh and little seeds, another one high in my list.
JF

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya taste-testing
« on: February 26, 2012, 08:25:45 PM »
Jeff would agree. Though rollinia and atemoya come pretty darn close. King of the hill is still a california grown cherimoya, though.

In my opinion cherimoyas are the best annonas of all by far.

Specially a good grafted variety ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Atemoya
« on: February 26, 2012, 08:22:23 PM »
Gefner's do not require hand pollination in South Fla. They easily produce nice crops of great tasting fruit with minimal care and are no doubt one the best to grow here.   
 

Noel

I can't tell the difference in taste between the Gefner and African Pride here in Southern California. They both produce great crops but the fruit is bigger with less seeds if you hand pollinate them. Is that the case in SoFl?

JF 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: More Custard Apples Parkland FL
« on: February 26, 2012, 08:15:26 PM »
Nice Custard-Apple!  Reticulatas, or Custard-Apples, are among my favorite fruits, especially as they fruit in the late winter and spring, when most other fruits aren't on.

Your comment about inconsistency is appropo.   The quality of most fresh produce varies from soil, weather conditions, and cultural inputs--- grapes and custard-apples famously and infamously so.

The higher the BRIX of the fruit and the plant's sap, the brighter the color, the better the taste, and the more cold hardy, drought hardy, etc.  BRIX is the concentration of suspended solids, i.e. mineral nutrients and glucose.  Mineral nutrients often underutilized are Calcium and Silicon.

The amount of leaf surface IN THE SUN on a branch greatly affects the quality of fruits on that branch.

I do not know of a fruit called 'Florida Red Atemoya.'  As has already been pointed out, the '48--26' (a.k.a. 'Lisa'), which I bred at Zill High Performance Plants back in the 1980's, is pale pink.

The word "ATEMOYA" correctly aplies only to Annona Hybrids that are 1/2 Ata (Sugar-Apple) and 1/2 "-moya" (the last half of the word "cherimoya").

If there are three or more species in the ancestry of an Annona hybrid, it is best to simply call it an ANNONA HYBRID!  A cooked-up word, (just as "atemoya" is a cooked-up word), such as "Temoylata" could be used [for a (Sugar-Apple x Cherimoya) x Reticulata, but will always have to end up being explained, here.

All the best,
Guanabanus,  a.k.a. Har Mahdeem

Thanks for the clarifications Mr,Guanabanus. How cold tolerant are Custard Apple? Are they possible to do in Southern California zone 10B Sunset 24 in your experience?

JF

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya taste-testing
« on: February 26, 2012, 05:34:36 PM »
Wow what a feast, please let me know in the future, I'd love to be there!  Cherimoyas are definitely the best annona that I've tasted so far, though Noel's rollinia is a close second.   I need to get some more cherimoyas, stat!

-Ethan

I have not tried the Rollinia but Cherimoyas are easily the best Annonas I've tasted. Atemoyas are very good but kind of chewy like sugar apples and the custard apple are too grainy and too sweet. Cherimoyas have the perfect balance. I was impressed with all the cultivars they had for testing but the ones that stood out for me where the Bumpo, Fino, Pierce, White and Booth. Very little flesh-to-seed ratio with an incredible creamy flesh and tropical fruit flavor. I like the ones that are less intense and more complex in taste. There were a few that were just OK we were given a rate sheet and I turned it in with all my comments. I will definitely inform you and NewGen for any upcoming testing. SCREC has these taste-testing often.
JF


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does MangoDog still post??
« on: February 26, 2012, 03:06:23 AM »
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barking at the moon and looking for another mango grower in his area. Zands, how is your blue agave any tequila last year? ;D
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I have lots of blue agave big and small. Agave is not a true cactus they say. But you will see agave and real cactus growing all over rainy (actually we have a wet season and a dry season) South Florida. Agave are so slow growing that I can tell that Mexican agave plantations must be huge
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They grow great in your area. My brother has an agave farm in the middle of the Yucatan jungle similar climate than you guys..

JF

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: More Custard Apples Parkland FL
« on: February 26, 2012, 02:36:20 AM »
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that's a beauty! Is there such thing as a Florida Red Atemoya?

JF

I have never heard of a Florida Red Atemoya. In many foreign fruit articles/websites, you see "Florida" used in many fruit names but they may not always be from here!     

that figures! who know what these nursery guys are passing as a Florida Red Atemoya. Is there even a red atemoya?

JF

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya taste-testing
« on: February 26, 2012, 02:30:51 AM »
Here are a few more I missed. There was like 15-20 varieties for tasting. SCREC has over 40 varieties of Cherimoyas and 400 varieties of Avocados. I know that Ethan,NewGen and MangoDog are members of CRFG if anyone else is a member please let me know so I can give you the heads up on testings at SCREC. In Dec. we had the Persimmon testing it was amazing! Most of the volunteers were from the CRFG Orange County Local Chapter so we were all made aware of the event but there was folks from Santa Barbara and as far as Bakersfield.





here are the two Dr. White one 4 pounds the other 5.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Cherimoya taste-testing
« on: February 25, 2012, 04:49:16 PM »
SCREC AND CRFG put this together. Growers from all over Socal, cherimaya.com was there.here are some pics:









The winners for me and my wife were Fino and El Bumpo. here are some more pics the White was 5 pounds!



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dekopon Brix Test
« on: February 25, 2012, 01:03:33 AM »
If he doesn't mind?  Are you kidding?  You'd have to cut his arms off and throw away his new toy to keep him from doing exactly as you are requesting!

Harry
hahahaha    actually I really want to know the Okrung's reading from Harry's tree.

Are the three readings from 3 different segments, murahilin?

Exotica has or had a nice looking Okrung that was loaded....that's was two years ago. Where did you buy your dekopon?

JF

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does MangoDog still post??
« on: February 25, 2012, 12:54:41 AM »
I have not seen one of his humorous post in a couple weeks.

He's too busy barking at the moon.

barking at the moon and looking for another mango grower in his area. Zands, how is your blue agave any tequila last year? ;D

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