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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: mangomongo on April 11, 2017, 11:14:10 AM
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Does anyone have any info on the "M-4" A forum search did not reveal much, just that it was "sweet like candy" and tasted coconutty. How does it compare to the Coconut cream ? would it be a replacement for the C/C ? How long has it been in cultivation/ released? early, mid or late season?
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I bought one today. Don't know much about it. Does it even have a name?
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I thought maybe it was the one that someone had nicknamed "mounds" but reading through the threads revealed that one to be the E-4 I Believe? I was hoping that Rob would have some insight.
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Yes, that was E-4. M-4 evidently doesn't have as many problems as E-4.
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Does anyone have any info on the "M-4" A forum search did not reveal much, just that it was "sweet like candy" and tasted coconutty. How does it compare to the Coconut cream ? would it be a replacement for the C/C ? How long has it been in cultivation/ released? early, mid or late season?
M4 blows Coconut Cream away. It is way more complex with a slight balancing sub'acidity component. It has just recently been made available although I do find it odd it was let go without being given an actual name. It is not a colorful/pretty mango on the outside but the taste more than makes up for it.
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I heard it can skip years because it holds fruit so late?
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I heard it can skip years because it holds fruit so late?
Not sure where you heard that. It is not a super late variety.
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I just planted my second cocoanut cream, a 15gl at that but im not apposed to taking one out lol. Do you know anything about the growth habit ?
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How does this compare to the others released this year (Phoenix and cotton candy)? Is this one a must have?
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Here we go :)
ZHPP released this? How long has it been evaluated?
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Here we go :)
ZHPP released this? How long has it been evaluated?
It seems it has trickled out albeit without a real name.
This is all paet of the same breeding project that produced LZ, Coconut Cream, Pineapple Pleasure and all other Zill releases since 2011.
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Is the M-4 another Kent X Gary cross like the O-2? I wonder if it would be a good idea to plant one in a spot fairly close to my O-2, I’m not sure if the cross pollenating would result in a good tasting fruit or not.
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Here we go :)
ZHPP released this? How long has it been evaluated?
It seems it has trickled out albeit without a real name.
This is all paet of the same breeding project that produced LZ, Coconut Cream, Pineapple Pleasure and all other Zill releases since 2011.
Very cool that's it's part of that breeding program . M-4 sounds like something I like to chute
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M-4 is descended from Keitt. M-4 is Mid-to-Late Season, but not Very Late Season.
The fruit size is small. The number of fruits produced is high. The original tree has been an alternate bearer.
No grafted trees of it have been evaluated. Same with 'Cotton Candy'(also from 'Keitt' and mid-to-late season). These two varieties were released due to high connoisseur and staff insistence, despite not having yet undergone a grafted-trees-field-trial planting. This insistence was because of supreme deliciousness, to pretty much everyone who tried them, and clean appearance, though not at all colorful.
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M-4 is descended from Keitt. M-4 is Mid-to-Late Season, but not Very Late Season.
The fruit size is small. The number of fruits produced is high. The original tree has been an alternate bearer.
No grafted trees of it have been evaluated. Same with 'Cotton Candy'(also from 'Keitt' and mid-to-late season). These two varieties were released due to high connoisseur and staff insistence, despite not having yet undergone a grafted-trees-field-trial planting. This insistence was because of supreme deliciousness, to pretty much everyone who tried them, and clean appearance, though not at all colorful.
Ok this is more along the lines of what I heard.
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I vouch for M-4. Among more than a hundred varieties I've had the delight to eat, it will join the ranks of a rarified top 10 mango. Time will tell if it can bump something out of the Fab 5.
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I vouch for M-4. Among more than a hundred varieties I've had the delight to eat, it will join the ranks of a rarified top 10 mango. Time will tell if it can bump something out of the Fab 5.
Hey Future, thanks for the input!
Just a quick question (and not to derail the thread), what is the Fab 5 in your opinion?
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I vouch for M-4. Among more than a hundred varieties I've had the delight to eat, it will join the ranks of a rarified top 10 mango. Time will tell if it can bump something out of the Fab 5.
Hey Future, thanks for the input!
Just a quick question (and not to derail the thread), what is the Fab 5 in your opinion?
Ah. Order can change season to season but overall
5. Orange Sherbert
4. Cotton Candy
3. Sweet Tart
2. PPK
1. Lemon Zest
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Last year Sweet Tart was the best I tasted.
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Ok. Le's end the thread hijack...
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M-4 is descended from Keitt. M-4 is Mid-to-Late Season, but not Very Late Season.
The fruit size is small. The number of fruits produced is high. The original tree has been an alternate bearer.
No grafted trees of it have been evaluated. Same with 'Cotton Candy'(also from 'Keitt' and mid-to-late season). These two varieties were released due to high connoisseur and staff insistence, despite not having yet undergone a grafted-trees-field-trial planting. This insistence was because of supreme deliciousness, to pretty much everyone who tried them, and clean appearance, though not at all colorful.
Ok this is more along the lines of what I heard.
You said it skips years cause it holds it "so late". It is not late as in Beverly, Honey Kiss or the late holding Keitts. The years I have had the fruit, it is in July and into August, plenty of time to set fruit the following year. Honey Kiss, also a descendant of Keitt, holds fruit mid/late September and into October and its a year after year workhorse.
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I bought one today. Don't know much about it. Does it even have a name?
A lot of info on M4 designation to help in remembering M4:::: Just guessing, but this may be why it has been left as is so far. Interesting information on M4 useage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRAO5_ASuqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRAO5_ASuqY)
Then again, BMW makes a M4 also::: http://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/m4 (http://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/m4)
Maybe the question became in choosing the name, Do I like to remember what I drive/drove, or what I shoot/shot? :)
As 2 thieves approach the fence, one thief says to the other, "Is this the property we're suppose to rob? Yea........ but I don't think it's a good idea anymore. I overheard 2 guys talking today and they said the owner keeps at least 10 M4's on the other side of this fence." :)
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M-4 is descended from Keitt. M-4 is Mid-to-Late Season, but not Very Late Season.
The fruit size is small. The number of fruits produced is high. The original tree has been an alternate bearer.
No grafted trees of it have been evaluated. Same with 'Cotton Candy'(also from 'Keitt' and mid-to-late season). These two varieties were released due to high connoisseur and staff insistence, despite not having yet undergone a grafted-trees-field-trial planting. This insistence was because of supreme deliciousness, to pretty much everyone who tried them, and clean appearance, though not at all colorful.
Ok this is more along the lines of what I heard.
You said it skips years cause it holds it "so late". It is not late as in Beverly, Honey Kiss or the late holding Keitts. The years I have had the fruit, it is in July and into August, plenty of time to set fruit the following year. Honey Kiss, also a descendant of Keitt, holds fruit mid/late September and into October and its a year after year workhorse.
M-4 is descended from Keitt.
The fruit size is small. The number of fruits produced is high. The original tree has been an alternate bearer.
There is 4 things I was told that seems to be right. And one thing I was told seems to be wrong. I also can be remembering wrong. Thats why I put a question mark at the end of the sentence.
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M-4 is descended from Keitt. M-4 is Mid-to-Late Season, but not Very Late Season.
The fruit size is small. The number of fruits produced is high. The original tree has been an alternate bearer.
No grafted trees of it have been evaluated. Same with 'Cotton Candy'(also from 'Keitt' and mid-to-late season). These two varieties were released due to high connoisseur and staff insistence, despite not having yet undergone a grafted-trees-field-trial planting. This insistence was because of supreme deliciousness, to pretty much everyone who tried them, and clean appearance, though not at all colorful.
Ok this is more along the lines of what I heard.
You said it skips years cause it holds it "so late". It is not late as in Beverly, Honey Kiss or the late holding Keitts. The years I have had the fruit, it is in July and into August, plenty of time to set fruit the following year. Honey Kiss, also a descendant of Keitt, holds fruit mid/late September and into October and its a year after year workhorse.
M-4 is descended from Keitt.
The fruit size is small. The number of fruits produced is high. The original tree has been an alternate bearer.
There is 4 things I was told that seems to be right. And one thing I was told seems to be wrong. I also can be remembering wrong. Thats why I put a question mark at the end of the sentence.
I would also not be surprised to see grafted versions grown in different locations react differently from the mother tree (for a number of reasons). I have seen it first hand with some of these trees (not M4 but other varieties of the "project").
Many of the parentage of the "project" trees have the Gary mango crossed into it which is very fickle in terms of production and consistency in production. I have seen the Gary be a consistent heave lroducer year in and out to a non producer and everywhere in between, depending on where tree is grown.
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Thank you guys for the info and the background info. I think we are all obligated to plant one and report our findings up the chain of command in a show of appreciation to all of those who worked hard to create these new and delicious additions that brighten our lives.
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Where can I buy one? Or a cutting so I can graft myself
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Thank you guys for the info and the background info. I think we are all obligated to plant one and report our findings up the chain of command in a show of appreciation to all of those who worked hard to create these new and delicious additions that brighten our lives.
I'm going to plant one, strictly for the sake of science.
Since it is a relatively non-colorful fruit I may be safe planting it near the road.
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Where can I buy one? Or a cutting so I can graft myself
PM sent
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I'm in the same boat. I just recently expanded my Mango collection and came across the m-4 on the internet, but I can't find a source for trees or budwood. If anyone had any leads I would greatly appreciate it.
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Where can I buy one? Or a cutting so I can graft myself
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Sorry, I am exposing my lack of "currentness" here.
This is the first I am hearing of the M4 mango. I thought it was a joke, M is for Mango, like A is for Apple but after reading all your posts I am curious and interested enough to want to try this. Are these available in any South FL nursery yet?
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Sorry, I am exposing my lack of "currentness" here.
This is the first I am hearing of the M4 mango. I thought it was a joke, M is for Mango, like A is for Apple but after reading all your posts I am curious and interested enough to want to try this. Are these available in any South FL nursery yet?
THIS IS NO JOKE. M-4, the latest flavor bomb from Zill!
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The question now is how do I get one?
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The question now is how do I get one?
Excalibur may have them. You can call and check.
In about a month I will have a 3 gallon M-4 for sale. I am using the 3G right now as a source of budwood for top-working and once the grafts take for sure, I will sell the 3G.
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The question now is how do I get one?
Excalibur may have them. You can call and check.
In about a month I will have a 3 gallon M-4 for sale. I am using the 3G right now as a source of budwood for top-working and once the grafts take for sure, I will sell the 3G.
Sheehan,
would you be willing to sell budwood off that tree first before you sell the tree? I would love to buy some M-4 budwood if it were available!
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So should we consider M-4 right up there with the best of the new Zill mangos: Sweet Tart, Lemon Zest, Cotton Candy, Phoenix, and Juicy Peach?
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So should we consider M-4 right up there with the best of the new Zill mangos: Sweet Tart, Lemon Zest, Cotton Candy, Phoenix, and Juicy Peach?
Yessiree John
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This insistence was because of supreme deliciousness, to pretty much everyone who tried them, and clean appearance, though not at all colorful.
You know the way to a guy's heart. ;D
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I have one at Trees N More for sell.
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Ok so after going directly to ZHPP and asking about the M-4 at time of purchase I was told that it is a keitt seedling which we had already been informed on and that it could in fact alternate years if the crop was heavy the previous year, and that the flavor was not reminiscent of coconut but more of it's parent however not a clone of a Kiett, long season and very tasty.
We started this thread with the information that it was "coconutty" and far superior to Coconut Cream. Now we're being told it isn't reminiscent of coconut. So which is it?
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Ok so after going directly to ZHPP and asking about the M-4 at time of purchase I was told that it is a keitt seedling which we had already been informed on and that it could in fact alternate years if the crop was heavy the previous year, and that the flavor was not reminiscent of coconut but more of it's parent however not a clone of a Kiett, long season and very tasty.
We started this thread with the information that it was "coconutty" and far superior to Coconut Cream. Now we're being told it isn't reminiscent of coconut. So which is it?
No offense but I dont care what he asked someone there what it tastes like. Its questions like that why they hate the thought of retail sales. You would have to know them or have dealt with them over the years to understand.
I have had a number of them in multiple years snd they have always had a coconut component.
To say it is like a Keitt is a joke. Think about this...if this were the case. Why would anyone rave about it and why would they release it due to popular demand.
And to ask them if they thought it was a replacement for the Coconut Cream...if they were to say yes, they might as well stop propagating the CC. They are a commercial wholesale nursery that sell the majority of their trees in large quantities to other nurseries. They eould not say something that would prevent their sales.
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Thank you guys for the info and the background info. I think we are all obligated to plant one and report our findings up the chain of command in a show of appreciation to all of those who worked hard to create these new and delicious additions that brighten our lives.
Agree, just got mine (Thanks to bsbullie), now I plant, wait and occasionally report in. This will be M-4-West-Jupiter :)
Curious to hear how yours does so please post update if you have one.
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I will plant it and post on it. The general consensus is that it is a top tier mango and just to make it even more confusing it is listed on the ZHPP list as " coconut flavor".
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I will plant it and post on it. The general consensus is that it is a top tier mango and just to make it even more confusing it is listed on the ZHPP list as " coconut flavor".
Thats because it does. Dont put too much crede ce in the descriltion that ig is from a Keitt and is Keitt-like. I have tasted tbis in past years and I can attest ghat uts not "Keitt-like"
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I'm planting my M-4 today. :) It will compete for space with Spirit of 76----may the best mango win.
Recently planted Kathy, Cotton Candy, and Phoenix and hoping for the best. I'm a great fan of their parentage.
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Dan.... What a top notch field of Mango's....All are said to be Ist class...... Well done....Mike
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The question now is how do I get one?
Excalibur may have them. You can call and check.
In about a month I will have a 3 gallon M-4 for sale. I am using the 3G right now as a source of budwood for top-working and once the grafts take for sure, I will sell the 3G.
With a 3 gallon being a fairly small tree usually, what procedure are you using to get the maximum amount of scion chances from the available limbs?
My guess would be from the apical dominant middle shoot removing leaves initially and trying to get the hopefully other available small shoots off it to start growing more. I would also guess upon new buds forming on the apical dominant shoot you would cut off this main shoot and try to make as many scions as possible from it instead of using it all for only one graft attempt; or do you use it all without trying to cut off smaller buds from this main branch.
I guess in a month the smaller limbs would started growing enough to sell.
Of course if you had a apical dominant with say 3 other less dominant limbs coming from the main limb you could just use one of the less dominant limbs removing leaves and waiting on new tip growth.
Which way do you prefer and how small a scion do you use like 4 inch or just multiple smaller sections of buds cut off and inserted as bud grafts into the larger tree as you did mention you were using it "as a source of budwood" was it actually just the buds and a small amount of cambium insert into the new tree to be grafted or larger pieces of budwood as the term does not set a length. Budwood. A portion of a stem or branch with a vegetative bud(s) used in propagation for budding or grafting.
Any thread links would be appreciated if your view is already discussed...
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The question now is how do I get one?
Excalibur may have them. You can call and check.
In about a month I will have a 3 gallon M-4 for sale. I am using the 3G right now as a source of budwood for top-working and once the grafts take for sure, I will sell the 3G.
With a 3 gallon being a fairly small tree usually, what procedure are you using to get the maximum amount of scion chances from the available limbs?
My guess would be from the apical dominant middle shoot removing leaves initially and trying to get the hopefully other available small shoots off it to start growing more. I would also guess upon new buds forming on the apical dominant shoot you would cut off this main shoot and try to make as many scions as possible from it instead of using it all for only one graft attempt; or do you use it all without trying to cut off smaller buds from this main branch.
I guess in a month the smaller limbs would started growing enough to sell.
Of course if you had a apical dominant with say 3 other less dominant limbs coming from the main limb you could just use one of the less dominant limbs removing leaves and waiting on new tip growth.
Which way do you prefer and how small a scion do you use like 4 inch or just multiple smaller sections of buds cut off and inserted as bud grafts into the larger tree as you did mention you were using it "as a source of budwood" was it actually just the buds and a small amount of cambium insert into the new tree to be grafted or larger pieces of budwood as the term does not set a length. Budwood. A portion of a stem or branch with a vegetative bud(s) used in propagation for budding or grafting.
Any thread links would be appreciated if your view is already discussed...
If you bud them, you can get the potential for a lot of trees from 1 3 gal.
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With a 3 gallon being a fairly small tree usually, what procedure are you using to get the maximum amount of scion chances from the available limbs?
My guess would be from the apical dominant middle shoot removing leaves initially and trying to get the hopefully other available small shoots off it to start growing more. I would also guess upon new buds forming on the apical dominant shoot you would cut off this main shoot and try to make as many scions as possible from it instead of using it all for only one graft attempt; or do you use it all without trying to cut off smaller buds from this main branch.
I guess in a month the smaller limbs would started growing enough to sell.
Of course if you had a apical dominant with say 3 other less dominant limbs coming from the main limb you could just use one of the less dominant limbs removing leaves and waiting on new tip growth.
Which way do you prefer and how small a scion do you use like 4 inch or just multiple smaller sections of buds cut off and inserted as bud grafts into the larger tree as you did mention you were using it "as a source of budwood" was it actually just the buds and a small amount of cambium insert into the new tree to be grafted or larger pieces of budwood as the term does not set a length. Budwood. A portion of a stem or branch with a vegetative bud(s) used in propagation for budding or grafting.
Any thread links would be appreciated if your view is already discussed...
I selected a three gallon with about 4 branches at the top, and then I just used one branch to do a cleft onto my main tree. If that one doesn't take, then I will graft again. I don't want to do multiple grafts and then they all take and I am now stuck with multiple branches of the same variety on my tree. That happened with my Venus grafts and now I have two Venus branches. I have 12 or so varieties on myt tree right now and I am trying to limit to one variety per branch.
I'll try to take some pics in a few days or so. I noticed the M-4 was pushing today, but that doesn't mean anything. Sometimes they push right before they die. Also on a multi-grafted tree, I've had some grafts that take and then push once or twice and then stop and sit there for a year and then die. Those branches just weren't in optimal places on the tree for growth, I guess.
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What is the growth habit of m4?
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What is the growth habit of m4?
As stated in this and other posts, it was just released less than 6 months ago and no grafted trees were in existence prior to observe.
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What is the growth habit of m4?
As stated in this and other posts, it was just released less than 6 months ago and no grafted trees were in existence prior to observe.
I have read. Was wondering if the growth habit of m4 mother tree is similar to LZ?
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No. Normal, spreading canopy, medium, or less, vigor. This does not mean that it will necessarily be like that grafted onto Turpentine.
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No. Normal, spreading canopy, medium, or less, vigor. This does not mean that it will necessarily be like that grafted onto Turpentine.
Exactly, which is why I tend not to describe the growth habit of any if the mother seedling trees (seedling being the key word).
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I saw a mango labeled e8 for sale at a local nursery recently
Didn't know what it was and passed
Should I have bought it
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I never heard of E-8.
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I saw a mango labeled e8 for sale at a local nursery recently
Didn't know what it was and passed
Should I have bought it
Never heard of E8 either. What did the tag look like?
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If you haven't heard it must be a miss label
There were a few that I didn't know
One was labeled corn and a couple others that I was clueless about
Bought an Edgar and called it a day
Yellow tag just returned from zills
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I saw an E-8 Sabre mango the other day as well. The nursery owner, who gets all his mangoes from Zill did not know anything about it, either did the woman who answered from ZHPP. The yellow tag said E-8 Sabre. I looked on the Internet and the only info I could find was a seller on eBay with this variety and pictures of it too.
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Saber is a rootstock.
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People can say they were told its "Keitt-like" and want to believe it (when never tasted it). I have said it has a coconut flavor (and have tasted it multiple years and kmow what I, and others who tasted it with me tasted)...and look at what is stated on ZHPP's mango list...
Here is a suggestion, take it for what you want, please refrain from calling and asking them questions and informative on specific mangoes. You can get much information on this site from those familiar with the varieties. They are a whole sale nursery. They do not want to be a retail nursery and I know for a fact that Gary and all others who work in the office have stated they are tired of fielding calls for information.
(https://s21.postimg.cc/kutm65i83/20170601_215140.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kutm65i83/)
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Thank you.
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Lol, look at their spelling of Mahachanok.
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Lol, look at their spelling of Mahachanok.
Maybe thats confidential too?
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Is M-4 as susceptible to anthracnose as Coconut Cream or more like Keitt?
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Is M-4 as susceptible to anthracnose as Coconut Cream or more like Keitt?
I dont see Coconut Cream being susceptible to anthracnose. I have been growing it in West Boynton Beach since 2011 and no anthracnose issues.
As has been repeated, M4 is a new release and no grafted trees have been observed. A mother seedling tree is not a good overall guide to what a grafted tree will do.
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Is M-4 as susceptible to anthracnose as Coconut Cream or more like Keitt?
I dont see Coconut Cream being susceptible to anthracnose. I have been growing it in West Boynton Beach since 2011 and no anthracnose issues.
As has been repeated, M4 is a new release and no grafted trees have been observed. A mother seedling tree is not a good overall guide to what a grafted tree will do.
So that means you have the mother seedling tree since no grafted trees have been observed.
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Is M-4 as susceptible to anthracnose as Coconut Cream or more like Keitt?
I dont see Coconut Cream being susceptible to anthracnose. I have been growing it in West Boynton Beach since 2011 and no anthracnose issues.
As has been repeated, M4 is a new release and no grafted trees have been observed. A mother seedling tree is not a good overall guide to what a grafted tree will do.
So that means you have the mother seedling tree since no grafted trees have been observed.
What would make you say that?
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Now it's been a year. Any comments on how the grafted M4 is doing, growth habit, flavor, anything else?
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Mango trees grow much slower in SoCal compared to south Florida...but M-4 is ridiculously sad on turpentine rootstock. Zero growth in 1 year... Not even 1 bud. I saw my friends trees as well and they were the same or worse (dead from dieback).
I recall hearing that M-4 is no longer propagated by Zills HPP. So I guess our next goal is to see how M-4 does on Manila rootstock.
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This is incorrect. It is on the latest zhpp availability. My M4 is growing similarly to the other varieties I planted at the same time. I have one mango on the tree, yellow but rock hard.
I recall hearing that M-4 is no longer propagated by Zills HPP.
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You Californians, you've got to get your mango trees on the right rootstock!
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Mango trees grow much slower in SoCal compared to south Florida...but M-4 is ridiculously sad on turpentine rootstock. Zero growth in 1 year... Not even 1 bud. I saw my friends trees as well and they were the same or worse (dead from dieback).
I recall hearing that M-4 is no longer propagated by Zills HPP. So I guess our next goal is to see how M-4 does on Manila rootstock.
waren, I had issues with my M4 too, it keeps blooming all the time. I have a graft on ataulfo that did well and has 12 fruitlets, I may not let it hold more than 2 so I can taste them. M4 in ground was a thud on florida rootstock. I gave it a hack job recently when I harvested couple scions and removed blooms, now its pushing growth on all cylinders. try to up the water intake on it. I am planning to inarch it later this year.
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My M-4 in ground is doing well. It is not as fast a grower as my other mango and it seems to have a tendency to being slightly leggy but not as bad as a Keitt.
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So should any dooryarder who was thinking about planting a Coco Cream scratch it off the list for the sake of M-4 instead?
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So should any dooryarder who was thinking about planting a Coco Cream scratch it off the list for the sake of M-4 instead?
Yes, definitely...or wait for E4 aka Sugarloaf. Both E4 and M4 are better than Coconut Cream in terms of taste and tree's growth habits. Coco Cream tend to get overripe quickly and ferment.
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So should any dooryarder who was thinking about planting a Coco Cream scratch it off the list for the sake of M-4 instead?
Yes, definitely...or wait for E4 aka Sugarloaf. Both E4 and M4 are better than Coconut Cream in terms of taste and tree's growth habits. Coco Cream tend to get overripe quickly and ferment.
Thanks. 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
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I don't have any of these in production yet but I suggest CC over E-4 and M4 if picking between them. I do rate E4 and M4 slightly ahead on taste but indications are production on both has been sketchy at best for some people. Early days yet.
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Mango trees grow much slower in SoCal compared to south Florida...but M-4 is ridiculously sad on turpentine rootstock. Zero growth in 1 year... Not even 1 bud. I saw my friends trees as well and they were the same or worse (dead from dieback).
I recall hearing that M-4 is no longer propagated by Zills HPP. So I guess our next goal is to see how M-4 does on Manila rootstock.
Waren, my M4 was sick and I hacked it hard, now its growing well., it is on Ataulfo and original turpie. it droops on turpentine. growth is slow, but we should not judge growth from last year as I got no growth on most mangoes due to fruits and wierd weather. this year we lost all mangoes and we are on flush # 3 or 4 already with 3.5 months to go. I found my Phoenix to be horribly slow grower.
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I don't have any of these in production yet but I suggest CC over E-4 and M4 if picking between them. I do rate E4 and M4 slightly ahead on taste but indications are production on both has been sketchy at best for some people. Early days yet.
Before making comments on production, one should grow them all and/or compare on an even keel playing field (you cant compare and comment on trees that are neglected and/or cut back to wherw they physically cant bloom). Not only does Coco Cream have vegetative growth issues but it akso needs extended years befire it starts setting fruit consistently. It also is very simar to Carrie in that it goes to mush and basically rots quite quickly. It has a very poor shelf life. I have seen trees in both Palm Beach and Martin Counties do very well setting and holding their fruit based on their age.
Oh, and the taste of both the "4s" is way more complex and overall better than Coco Cream. I think I am repeating myself...
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the Sugarloaf trees look more productive than Coconut cream. M-4 at a minimum looks a lot more precocious than Coconut cream and in “on” years the original tree’s yields are extremely heavy. It’s a better mango frankly and so is Sugarloaf, which is much more consistent than coconut cream and seems more forgiving about when it is harvested.
I kind of wish the “coconut cream” name had been saved for one of those two rather than C-20.
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the Sugarloaf trees look more productive than Coconut cream. M-4 at a minimum looks a lot more precocious than Coconut cream and in “on” years the original tree’s yields are extremely heavy. It’s a better mango frankly and so is Sugarloaf, which is much more consistent than coconut cream and seems more forgiving about when it is harvested.
I kind of wish the “coconut cream” name had been saved for one of those two rather than C-20.
I had heard Sugarloaf had a pineapple flavor profile & had named after the white pineapple of the same name. Is that accurate? From the discussion it sounds like Sugarloaf has either a coconut or pina collada profile. Thanks.
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the Sugarloaf trees look more productive than Coconut cream. M-4 at a minimum looks a lot more precocious than Coconut cream and in “on” years the original tree’s yields are extremely heavy. It’s a better mango frankly and so is Sugarloaf, which is much more consistent than coconut cream and seems more forgiving about when it is harvested.
I kind of wish the “coconut cream” name had been saved for one of those two rather than C-20.
I had heard Sugarloaf had a pineapple flavor profile & had named after the white pineapple of the same name. Is that accurate? From the discussion it sounds like Sugarloaf has either a coconut or pina collada profile. Thanks.
I would not always focus on a name (Peach Cobbler does not taste like peaches in any way...a better name would have been either Oh Too or Tangerine Dream). Oh, and Ugly Betty...named after the TV character...
The base flavor of E4 aka Sugarloaf is coconut (the name that was originally kicked around was Mounds). As I had stated, E4 (as does M4) has a complexity to it that Coco Cream doesnt and that is an acidic component. Its not tart in any way but just has a touch of acidity to liven the taste sensation.
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I tasted about 3 sugar loaf –E4 mangoes. It does not taste like coconut cream mango to me. It’s more like pineapples. One of them with white flush tasted to me is a mix of sweet and sour pineapple. One of them with light yellow flush tasted to me like sour pineapple. And the third one was perfect it was like a sweet pineapple. They had more pineapple flavor than the pineapple pleasure mango. There was a significant variation in the taste from mango to mango. It’s because they may not be picked or ripens at the perfect stage. Its flush has some white color and pineapple flavor, but not sweet as the sugar loaf pineapple. Its taste may not be good as a perfect coconut cream mango but is unique. I like to grow this mango tree because it’s unique flavor. I never tasted the m4 mango.
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If your evaluation is correct for all the fruit trees being grown, that would be a downer. I have an M-4 and if it tastes like pineapple, that tree will be gone the next day.
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If your evaluation is correct for all the fruit trees being grown, that would be a downer. I have an M-4 and if it tastes like pineapple, that tree will be gone the next day.
He said E-4, not M-4.
As far as this E-4/Sugarloaf tasting of pineapple, I think this is largely due to a combination of the fruit being picked very green coupled with people cutting it on the less-ripe side out of eagerness to sample it.
E-4 that are harvested when they break “yellow” color and ripened in a couple days taste distinctively coconutty.
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I tasted about 3 sugar loaf –E4 mangoes. It does not taste like coconut cream mango to me. It’s more like pineapples. One of them with white flush tasted to me is a mix of sweet and sour pineapple. One of them with light yellow flush tasted to me like sour pineapple. And the third one was perfect it was like a sweet pineapple. They had more pineapple flavor than the pineapple pleasure mango. There was a significant variation in the taste from mango to mango. It’s because they may not be picked or ripens at the perfect stage. Its flush has some white color and pineapple flavor, but not sweet as the sugar loaf pineapple. Its taste may not be good as a perfect coconut cream mango but is unique. I like to grow this mango tree because it’s unique flavor. I never tasted the m4 mango.
Yes, proper harvest time is a problem with mangoes that basucally stay green. When properly picked, the E4 will have a pale yellow flesh and can even have a hint of texture that some may deem as minimal fiber (as does Pickering).
While I agree it is not the Hawaiin Tropic coconut flavor found in the Coco Cream but is definitely coconut. I do find it odd that you detected no coconut with your E4s. I can only think harvesting issues were the cause. In the same respect, what flavors did you detect in the Pineapple Pleasure? Harvest with this fruit also olays a role but in any event, the flavors in ever one I have ever gad have been pineapple, just ranging from tart to super sweet with an acidic balance.
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I know he said E-4 Squam. But they seem to be pretty comparable from what has been written.
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Yes, it does have some coconut flavor but does not taste like coconut cream mango.
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I have never noticed coconut flavor in any mango.
I much prefer M-4 over Coconut Cream and over E-4/Sugarloaf. I don't think the flavors of any of these resemble each other.
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Yes, it does have some coconut flavor but does not taste like coconut cream mango.
Correct, E4 does not the same type of coconut flavor as Coco Cream...and E4, M4 and Coco Cream do not all have the same flavor profiles.
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Good news to me! Hope M-4 lives up to all the hype.
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For someone to suggest growing C.C over E-4 or M-4 is simply uneducated in growing the tree. The C.C is a nightmare and literally grows sideways falling all over the place. I have seen many with the same problem. I dug it up and sold it 5 years ago. I will be giving my M-4 about 4 years to show it's value and take my chances. If flavor is good, it stays. Do not care about alternate bearing if the flavor is great, I have 6 more trees to take up the slack.
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Glad to hear the positive reports on the M-4. I got a single fruit, which I'm guessing was picked too early. I though I let it ripen up enough but I suppose I did not. It wasn't bad, but I could tell after it was open that it was not fully ripe. I'm hoping to try another one next year. I bought a tree based on the reports and will hold onto it and hope for the best!
(https://s22.postimg.cc/n8l92jjrx/M-4_Sections.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/n8l92jjrx/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/imp4u88jh/M-4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/imp4u88jh/)
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Yeah that's one green mango! Even my squirrels wouldn't have touched that one.
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Is it true that M4 tastes like an improved keitt?
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Is it true that M4 tastes like an improved keitt?
No...it is coconut based, strong flavored complex profile with a sweet and subacid balance.
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My Pickerings have always had a coconut flavor and been very sweet. How is it different than Pickering?
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My Pickerings have always had a coconut flavor and been very sweet. How is it different than Pickering?
No comparison. M4 is more complex, subacid component and more intense flavor. Will take M4 over Pickering any time.
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This is a delicious mango, coconuty flavor going on and much.....it’s moved into my top 10
(https://s15.postimg.cc/h6otow7mf/5590_BDBA-568_C-4_E13-814_E-5_B2_DF15_D110_A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/h6otow7mf/)
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This is a delicious mango, coconuty flavor going on and much.....it’s moved into my top 10
(https://s15.postimg.cc/h6otow7mf/5590_BDBA-568_C-4_E13-814_E-5_B2_DF15_D110_A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/h6otow7mf/)
I have two M4 hanging on my graft from last year, if they hold we will taste it in CA.
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This is a delicious mango, coconuty flavor going on and much.....it’s moved into my top 10
(https://s15.postimg.cc/h6otow7mf/5590_BDBA-568_C-4_E13-814_E-5_B2_DF15_D110_A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/h6otow7mf/)
I have two M4 hanging on my graft from last year, if they hold we will taste it in CA.
Finally, a m4 CA grown would probably be better than the ones in Fl, jst like how ST & LZ were high on brix last year.
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Had an exceptional M-4 today.
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wondering I cant be the only one fruiting M4, I am sure there are other golden state folks here, please chime in.
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Just had my first ever and only M-4. The skin looked dark green like an unripe mango. When I was peeling the skin, some area seem a bid harder to do...so I was thinking it could be uneven ripen. The flesh color was light yellow as if it was picked too early. All the visual cues pointed to a disappointment. But, rest assure, all is good once the tasting started. I did not detect a strong coconut flavor on this one...only a hint. But, the flavor complexity and its super sweetness made this mango one of the best I have had this year. Definitely live up to the hype.
Can it replace CC? If only I can get more to confirm...
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good to hear. I have M4 spread on 4 trees. will spread it all over now. Have 2 fruits on tree and hope they survive so we can do the grand annual So Cal mango tasting, although season is very pathetic this year due to heat wave mango losses.
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so would put M-4 as the best coconut flavored mango?
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so would put M-4 as the best coconut flavored mango?
that is what Rob thinks. I have yet to try. I tasted coconut flavor in Pickering, Coconut Cream, and believe or not some chalky OS as well.
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(https://s15.postimg.cc/brrl48pif/5_B87_BEC9-6703-45_D3-99_ED-41_A853_C53931.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/brrl48pif/)
(https://s15.postimg.cc/ka118kglj/B4119_AA5-8_A68-4_D22-8_F9_C-4_ABB637076_F1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ka118kglj/)
Sure tasted like Coconut & even before I cut into it, it smelled the kitchen up with the sweet smell of Coconut... watch out CC lol
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good to hear. I have M4 spread on 4 trees. will spread it all over now. Have 2 fruits on tree and hope they survive so we can do the grand annual So Cal mango tasting, although season is very pathetic this year due to heat wave mango losses.
I would definitely plant an M4 or ten. That fruit was from a young tree too, first year fruiting...can't wait to see what it can do once it gets older. Please guard your 2 fruits with extra care. Hope you get to experience the M4 magic this year. If you have some extra M4 scions...please do share. I, as well as everyone in SoCal, would definitely want to get our hands on it.
BTW, I confirm that M4 is polyembryonic... that seed is going into the pot.
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so would put M-4 as the best coconut flavored mango?
that is what Rob thinks. I have yet to try. I tasted coconut flavor in Pickering, Coconut Cream, and believe or not some chalky OS as well.
I know what you mean with OS but that’s a seedling of the original. My second M4 did not have the coconuty flavor but very delicious mangos
(https://s22.postimg.cc/c9641x4jx/82093_E02-_BE9_A-4_B56-_AC5_E-0696_BC4927_AE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/c9641x4jx/)
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I purchased these M-4 mangoes from Zill's last week. I also have an M-4 mango tree that I purchased last year that is now growing in a 7-gallon nursery pot. So far, I haven't had any issues with the tree and I definitely do enjoy the eating the fruit.
(https://s22.postimg.cc/8bnfqek0t/IMG_8058.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8bnfqek0t/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/42ipo93wt/IMG_8059.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/42ipo93wt/)
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so would put M-4 as the best coconut flavored mango?
that is what Rob thinks. I have yet to try. I tasted coconut flavor in Pickering, Coconut Cream, and believe or not some chalky OS as well.
It is along the same lines as E4 in terms of coconut. Remember, picked too early = improper ripening and taste characteristics will be affected.
Coco Cream...Hawaiin Tropic flavor which I have grown less fond of. That, aling with texture, rotting issues and crazy xrappy growth habit...not part of my 21 tree collection.
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Jumped on the M-4 train today!!! Too many good things being said here.
(https://s8.postimg.cc/vkaxmp1gx/3_B9_B6_B6_A-8_C95-476_C-_B706-_E89_B1_EEAD854.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/vkaxmp1gx/)
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From the pictures I am seeing posted, does the m-4 ripen with greenish skin like that, or are people posting green mangoes next to ones that are ripe? I wouldn't mind a green ripening variety in Florida, to deter two legged thieves.
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From the pictures I am seeing posted, does the m-4 ripen with greenish skin like that, or are people posting green mangoes next to ones that are ripe? I wouldn't mind a green ripening variety in Florida, to deter two legged thieves.
From all I have seen over the years, a dull green. Will it get any color/lightening near the coast, time will tell.
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I lost the fruit and small fruitlets hanging on mine about a month ago.
From the pictures I am seeing posted, does the m-4 ripen with greenish skin like that, or are people posting green mangoes next to ones that are ripe? I wouldn't mind a green ripening variety in Florida, to deter two legged thieves.
From all I have seen over the years, a dull green. Will it get any color/lightening near the coast, time will tell.
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My M4 Mangoes
(https://s33.postimg.cc/41vjtbqob/20180911_141438.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/41vjtbqob/)
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Looking good Behl.
Mine is growing well but no more fruit from it this year.
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Count me in also as of yesterday
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My M4 has been going gang busters. and no, its not showing any signs of droopiness, at least as of yet, in ground for 1 year. I will be in-arching it this weekend with a seedling that is a mono and very vigorous. its in the same hole that has in-arched butter cream and in-arched orange essence.
my in-arched peach cobbler that was droopy now is shooting big fat straight shoots, it was in-arched 2-yrs ago.
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My M4 Mangoes
(https://s33.postimg.cc/41vjtbqob/20180911_141438.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/41vjtbqob/)
California m4 mango grown. Excited for u to reporrt this 1
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My M4 has been going gang busters. and no, its not showing any signs of droopiness, at least as of yet, in ground for 1 year. I will be in-arching it this weekend with a seedling that is a mono and very vigorous. its in the same hole that has in-arched butter cream and in-arched orange essence.
my in-arched peach cobbler that was droopy now is shooting big fat straight shoots, it was in-arched 2-yrs ago.
What does "in-arched" mean?
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My M4 has been going gang busters. and no, its not showing any signs of droopiness, at least as of yet, in ground for 1 year. I will be in-arching it this weekend with a seedling that is a mono and very vigorous. its in the same hole that has in-arched butter cream and in-arched orange essence.
my in-arched peach cobbler that was droopy now is shooting big fat straight shoots, it was in-arched 2-yrs ago.
What does "in-arched" mean?
This article describes inarching:
https://courses.cit.cornell.edu/hort494/mg/methods.alpha/AprMeth.html
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Thank you
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Rob, confirming whether its M4 mango or not. flesh color is yellowish, skin is thick, and outside remained green, but not as green as florida, your climate results in vibrant dark green. can you ID? I bought this as M4 mango.
(https://i.postimg.cc/YL9wSPRT/20181003_063443.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YL9wSPRT)
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By looks alone, I would say yes. Here is one from Auvust.
(https://i.postimg.cc/YvZ0zjX5/20180809_214251.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YvZ0zjX5)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y4N7LSTf/20180809_214612.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4N7LSTf)
I think when the M4 when grown in certain conditions and picked properly, the color will have a slightly different and even lighter coloration.
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thanks Rob. can you confirm the skin being thick? rest everything has been confirmed.
I also found this mango to be hard to predict on when to pick. I picked when it turned a bit of color, then it got a bit soft when pushed hard on the counter, and it did appear to be picked early OR could have taken longer more ripening. what is the magic to pick this? I always have hard time picking green varieties.
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Yes, skin is thicker than most. I agree on this one, proper harvest time is difficult. I havent had the opportunity to hone in on it yet. There have been a handful of the newer ZHPP varieties that in tge past, took a few seasons to learn how to perfect picking time.
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thanks Rob. now I have following in my yard hard to predict on picking.
1. Peach Cobbler
2. M4
3. Imam Pasand
so far these dont show any signs of readiness.
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Any notable reports on the habits of the planted M-4 trees? Mine has not grown much since planting but it was not in direct sun all day. That problem was fixed with a chainsaw and a high lift. I expect it to take off this summer and At present is flowering profusely. Pictures to follow.
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I've had mine for one California season and it seems identical in habit to my peach cobbler
Take that for what it's worth 😀
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I've had mine for one California season and it seems identical in habit to my peach cobbler
Take that for what it's worth 😀
I'm guessing that means fast and upright? I know thats what my peach cobbler is doing. No blooms on the cobbler though, Ive been tipping it pretty hard.
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I'd also like to know the growth habits of m4 I will top work a tree with it , and like to make sure its compatible with VP and Gauva mango on one tree
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I'd also like to know the growth habits of m4 I will top work a tree with it , and like to make sure its compatible with VP and Gauva mango on one tree
That sounds like a good combo but I would think that the VP would out grow just about anything and need to be trimmed more often causing it to be out of production more than one would like? I am also in the process of deciding what combinations to top work together.
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Is the seed mono ?
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Is the seed mono ?
Polyembryonic
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M-4 seems to have a relatively spreading growth habit from what I’ve seen.
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M-4 seems to have a relatively spreading growth habit from what I’ve seen.
Like Beverly and coconut cream? As in would they go well together on a multigrafted tree?
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M-4 seems to have a relatively spreading growth habit from what I’ve seen.
Like Beverly and coconut cream? As in would they go well together on a multigrafted tree?
Yes I think so.
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Would like to taste the fruit before I buy the tree , will you have some this season ALEX ?
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Would like to taste the fruit before I buy the tree , will you have some this season ALEX ?
Maybe if the largest tree has a nice bloom. 2 smaller ones could hold a few as well.
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stumbled across this post and thought it had great descriptions of the fruit.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=29086.msg329096#msg329096 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=29086.msg329096#msg329096)
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If it has a coconut flavor profile I’m in , is there any 7 Gal Of The M4?
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If it has a coconut flavor profile I’m in , is there any 7 Gal Of The M4?
So much for only 3 ;D
E-4 is really coconutty too
If you're out east I have a 15 gal M-4 for sale.
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If it has a coconut flavor profile I’m in , is there any 7 Gal Of The M4?
So much for only 3 ;D
E-4 is really coconutty too
If you're out east I have a 15 gal M-4 for sale.
Go for the 15gl. It's a slow grower.
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Thank you I am picking up the 15Gal M4 Saturday 👍
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M4 is the best coconut flavor mango I’ve tried over coconut cream, Pickering and E4.
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Oh man can’t wait to taste the fruit Coconut is our favorite mango flavor !
(https://i.postimg.cc/4KgnLwb4/5-D8-EA571-9-BFA-4-F7-A-8055-1-C41-FCF33-B12.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4KgnLwb4)
This is spot I have for the M4😊
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M4 is the best coconut flavor mango I’ve tried over coconut cream, Pickering and E4.
This mango will fill up ur stomach due to its juicyness & coconutty flavor. It will leave u satisfying. Highly recommend this variety.
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Thank you !
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I almost regret buying my Sugar Loaf after reading this thread, almost.
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What about health of tree and disease resistance?
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I've yet to eat an M-4 but I can say without a doubt that the Sugarloaf is no disappointment. It was my personal favorite of the new verities I was able to sample last season. Depending on how long you leave it on the counter it went from tart pineapple to pinacolada to "wholly coconut" when it was wrinkly. just my opinion for what it's worth.
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Just planted this beautiful M4 15Gal Specimen 😊
Thanks to Forum Bro Khans 🙏Which has an amazing fruit tree collection with 100’s Of Mangoes On his Trees , this Bro definitely knows how to grow mangoes!
(https://i.postimg.cc/dhJsJwwK/10928182-9883-4-AB3-A222-0991-BFAF0-F4-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhJsJwwK)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9RwVLfty/6-AFF71-E5-7159-49-EF-94-A9-8971-E79-EE230.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9RwVLfty)
(https://i.postimg.cc/tsDXTw4n/E4-C27-A9-C-124-B-4451-BCE6-FD6-FE9-AA84-D8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tsDXTw4n)
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great looking tree
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Thank you !
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Just planted this beautiful M4 15Gal Specimen 😊
Thanks to Forum Bro Khans 🙏Which has an amazing fruit tree collection with 100’s Of Mangoes On his Trees , this Bro definitely knows how to grow mangoes!
(https://i.postimg.cc/dhJsJwwK/10928182-9883-4-AB3-A222-0991-BFAF0-F4-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhJsJwwK)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9RwVLfty/6-AFF71-E5-7159-49-EF-94-A9-8971-E79-EE230.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9RwVLfty)
(https://i.postimg.cc/tsDXTw4n/E4-C27-A9-C-124-B-4451-BCE6-FD6-FE9-AA84-D8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tsDXTw4n)
Thanks for the shout out. It was great meeting you as well.
I'm glad you didn't lose the fruit in transit.
Did you lose much of the new growth?
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Not at all brother , she’s happy 😊 all day n tact ...
I will be watching that from from my bedroom window Incase it drops .
Thanks again 🙏
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Hello folks, what a wealth of information on these mangoes in here! :D Only have room for one more tree, must choose wisely. 8)
Should I go with Coconut cream, Sugar loaf E4 or M4?
Considering:
1st - Production
2nd - Growth habit
3rd - Fruit Size
4th - Fruit Taste
I know they all taste really, really good - love the coconut flavor!
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M-4 is likely to outproduce the other two, and it is also likly to have an easier-to-manage branching structure. I prefere it for taste also. Your mouth will have to decide flavor for you.
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M-4 is likely to outproduce the other two, and it is also likly to have an easier-to-manage branching structure. I prefere it for taste also. Your mouth will have to decide flavor for you.
Seems like M4 is a winner against Coconut Cream and Sugar loaf.
I haven't tasted M4 but hear great things about it.
How big is the M4 fruit??
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Hello folks, what a wealth of information on these mangoes in here! :D Only have room for one more tree, must choose wisely. 8)
Should I go with Coconut cream, Sugar loaf E4 or M4?
Considering:
1st - Production
2nd - Growth habit
3rd - Fruit Size
4th - Fruit Taste
I know they all taste really, really good - love the coconut flavor!
If that is your order of must-have features, you would do well with Pickering with its coconut-peach flavor.
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I have never noticed coconut flavor in any mango.
I much prefer M-4 over Coconut Cream and over E-4/Sugarloaf. I don't think the flavors of any of these resemble each other.
How is the production of fruit on M4?
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Yes, Pickering is an easy winner for ease of care, production from a small tree which remains healthy, fruit size, pleasant appearance, disease resistance, and good-eating texture. Pickering's flavor is widely appreciated as satisfactory/good enough; I haven't heard of anyone's actively disliking it; some persons give the flavor rave reviews--- even as their "number-one mango."
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Yes, Pickering is an easy winner for ease of care, production from a small tree which remains healthy, fruit size, pleasant appearance, disease resistance, and good-eating texture. Pickering's flavor is widely appreciated as satisfactory/good enough; I haven't heard of anyone's actively disliking it; some persons give the flavor rave reviews--- even as their "number-one mango."
Thanks, pickering is also in consideration. Do you know anything about the fruit production on M4 or sugar loaf?
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M-4 is likely to outproduce the other two
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Good to know Har! I have a 15Gal & 3Gal M4👍
Ed
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M-4 is likely to outproduce the other two
Hi Har,
Just to confirm before I buy the tree (limited space), so M4 in your farm is productive every season and not an alternate bearer like the original tree?
Thank you!
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M4 full grown size known yet?
I have room be it semi dwarf or monster, would help decide where to plant.
Thank you
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M4 full grown size known yet?
I have room be it semi dwarf or monster, would help decide where to plant.
Thank you
If you have room for any size tree, what does it matter what the size is?
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I almost regret buying my Sugar Loaf after reading this thread, almost.
Have yet to try a sugarloaf, but based upon the growth pattern on both sugarloaf and m4 in my yard, sugarloaf is a much prettier tree with nicer growth habit. Short nodes and lots of flowering sites.
m4 tree is looking good, and is a wonderful fruit.
glad I have both, and coco cream
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M4 full grown size known yet?
I have room be it semi dwarf or monster, would help decide where to plant.
Thank you
If you have room for any size tree, what does it matter what the size is?
Because i'd double space it if large.
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M4 full grown size known yet?
I have room be it semi dwarf or monster, would help decide where to plant.
Thank you
If you have room for any size tree, what does it matter what the size is?
Because i'd double space it if large.
What are you using as normal spacing?
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This thread will be 4 Years Old tomorrow.
Today, i brought home a small 7gal low branched M4. It's still on passenger seat waiting for my helper.
I'd like to know growth habbit ya'll experienced so far to help decide where to plant.
Planning on leaving it in pot by pool so i can eliminate my soil from equation if it's stunted & easier to wash soil if i use wrong or too much fertilizer. Good idea i say. Might put it in a 15gal after time before planting.
Ed
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This thread will be 4 Years Old tomorrow.
Today, i brought home a small 7gal low branched M4. It's still on passenger seat waiting for my helper.
I'd like to know growth habbit ya'll experienced so far to help decide where to plant.
Planning on leaving it in pot by pool so i can eliminate my soil from equation if it's stunted & easier to wash soil if i use wrong or too much fertilizer. Good idea i say. Might put it in a 15gal after time before planting.
Ed
I planted this M4 last summer not sure early middle late just last summer. The orange ribbon is where I estimate its height when I planted it, may have been a little less. It's about 4 ft tall now I think it grew maybe two and a half feet. Seems vigorous to me.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZCkvzDwH/20210410-180216.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZCkvzDwH)
I say put it in the ground and mulch it really well. Watered everyday for a month then every other day till rainy season. Try to resist temptation and not fertilizing. If you can't resist temptation a weak dose of water soluble fertilizer or some time release.
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Where were you able to find one M4? It is very hard to.
This thread will be 4 Years Old tomorrow.
Today, i brought home a small 7gal low branched M4. It's still on passenger seat waiting for my helper.
I'd like to know growth habbit ya'll experienced so far to help decide where to plant.
Planning on leaving it in pot by pool so i can eliminate my soil from equation if it's stunted & easier to wash soil if i use wrong or too much fertilizer. Good idea i say. Might put it in a 15gal after time before planting.
Ed
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I'd like to know growth habbit ya'll experienced so far to help decide where to plant.
I've posted these pics before, but here's mine when I got it from Top Tropicals 2 years ago.
(https://i.postimg.cc/23mwxxtC/20190408-181037-1-2-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23mwxxtC)
Here it is two years later. It flowered heavily but I picked off all the little fruitlets. It's grown quite a bit and into a nicely shaped tree. I've done no pruning on it but will probably take some lower branches off soon.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qNfg81mL/20210216-184543-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qNfg81mL)
It's still in the same rabbit-protection cage in both pics to give you a sense of how much it's grown.
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Bovine & fliptop, thanks for photos. I'll take 1 of mine tomorrow. Raining now.
Jgs, friend got it for me, possibly Zills.
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Nice looking tree you got there!
I'd like to know growth habbit ya'll experienced so far to help decide where to plant.
I've posted these pics before, but here's mine when I got it from Top Tropicals 2 years ago.
(https://i.postimg.cc/23mwxxtC/20190408-181037-1-2-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23mwxxtC)
Here it is two years later. It flowered heavily but I picked off all the little fruitlets. It's grown quite a bit and into a nicely shaped tree. I've done no pruning on it but will probably take some lower branches off soon.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qNfg81mL/20210216-184543-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qNfg81mL)
It's still in the same rabbit-protection cage in both pics to give you a sense of how much it's grown.
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My new child. Graft look ok?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/xkw50CLz/IMG-5100.png) (https://postimg.cc/xkw50CLz)
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Thanks, JulianoGS! I was nervous getting such a wispy little sprout, but clearly it was a good choice. It seems about to break more buds though . . .
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Where did you find an M4 mango tree?
My new child. Graft look ok?
(https://i.postimg.cc/vgnP99Gh/IMG-5099.png) (https://postimg.cc/vgnP99Gh)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LqYvKfgS/IMG-5102.png) (https://postimg.cc/LqYvKfgS)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xkw50CLz/IMG-5100.png) (https://postimg.cc/xkw50CLz)
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So I take it the reason there so hard to find any grafted mango plants is because the mangoes are still on the trees and they haven't started grafting new plants until after fruit harvest??? I'd like to add a couple more of the best and it's very hard to find any of these. Currently have pineapple mango, carabao, Nam doc Mai, coconut cream, peach cobbler, gold nugget, lancitilla and 2 big mature trees that were here when we bought the property. Not sure of the variety but the smaller of the 2 mature trees is a real heavy producer. I got a ripe fruit yesterday and was fiberglass, very juicy, very sweet and a little tangy. Was mostly green with a little yellowing on top but you can feel it's ripe when it gives a little.
(https://i.postimg.cc/w1NrwC8K/16239286037692100337566385243670.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w1NrwC8K)
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Planted this M-4 in the ground in January 2019, this is the first time fruiting, holding around a dozen fruit.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/tYvd8xn7/2-AE5-A1-A2-EF12-4022-A64-B-5474076569-ED.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tYvd8xn7)
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Do we know with any certainty yet if M-4 is an alternate bearer? If M-4 were grafted on a regular bearing variety tree, would it produce regularly?
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Do we know with any certainty yet if M-4 is an alternate bearer? If M-4 were grafted on a regular bearing variety tree, would it produce regularly?
From nursery grafted trees, it does not appear to be alternate.
I think there may gave been extenuating circumstances that caused the mother tree to appear as alternate bearing.
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Do we know with any certainty yet if M-4 is an alternate bearer? If M-4 were grafted on a regular bearing variety tree, would it produce regularly?
From nursery grafted trees, it does not appear to be alternate.
I think there may gave been extenuating circumstances that caused the mother tree to appear as alternate bearing.
That's really helpful. Thank you Rob!
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Just ate the first two M4 mangos from my yard. Picked mature green( fell off in my hand) I waited until they got soft and almost wrinkly. The flesh was a dark yellow, skin was thick and tough and the flavor was amazing. I thought it was alot like a very well ripened E4, sweet, very coconuty with a nice texture. I did not spray the tree to control any fungus and the fruit was clean with no issues. with the production issues of my coconut cream I would have chose this for the front yard if I had known then what I know now. Fantastic mango!
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This year was very interesting for us mango-taste wise, some "bottom tier" varieties tasted better than "top tier", and M4 tasted quite mediocre. Last year it was superb, exceptional. Maybe in the lines of alternate bearer theory, it bears every year but the taste doesn't come the same?
As for the name, I think M4 has a ring to it, like B52, has a chance to stay this way for ever? :D
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This is the first time my tree has fruited and the flavor has been top tier; very juicy, with a rich Florida taste and a strong coconut aftertaste. However, on the neagtive side, I have not noticed any color change when ripe, so it can be tricky to pick. My tree is partially shaded and the fruits developed dark blotches the last few weeks(not sure if BBS). Also, some fruits split after the rains came on a few weeks ago.
I call it M-Fire!!