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Title: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on June 28, 2014, 05:44:35 AM
Thondi is a very unique fruit of Kerala....it has a nice sweet and sour mixed flavour. its a bush type plant , grow upto 10 -15 feet...tree is very ornamental too...
(http://s21.postimg.cc/vvwht5flf/IMAG1281.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vvwht5flf/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/uv0uhrnzn/IMAG1282.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uv0uhrnzn/)
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: starling1 on June 28, 2014, 06:35:49 AM

I'd be interested in buying some seeds. Do you have more pics/info?
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Luisport on June 28, 2014, 07:19:29 AM
This is cold hardy? Maby not if this is from Kerala...
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: sreekumar menon on June 28, 2014, 08:06:39 AM
Tropical only, Luisport . Good fruit sweet and sour mix taste. two varieties red and yellow colours available here.
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: RICBITAR on June 28, 2014, 08:20:02 AM
Very Good !
I want !
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on June 28, 2014, 12:02:58 PM
it may not do well below 10 degree c ...
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Faldon on June 28, 2014, 09:12:01 PM
I sent PM
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Roy-Ind on June 29, 2014, 04:17:58 AM
Please find botanical name of the fruit otherwise the seeds can not be sent to some countries

Moreover,by its scientific name everyone understands it very well.

Some botanists in Kerala might be able to help the collector to identify the fruit.

Roy
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on June 30, 2014, 07:03:44 AM
Roy.., i ve searched a lot for its botanical name , but in vain....
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Roy-Ind on June 30, 2014, 09:46:28 AM
Mr Ajesh
Please go to any science college in your place and consult any botany professor over there.
You can also contact any horticulture or forest college in Kerala

Roy
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Taparyal on June 30, 2014, 10:17:14 AM
At least try to send us pictures of flowers, leafs, seeds. We will try to determine family, genus and species!
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Cassio on June 30, 2014, 11:08:23 AM
Looks like the fruit is also know as Keraya: http://ji2nee2kerala.weebly.com/medicinal-plants.html (http://ji2nee2kerala.weebly.com/medicinal-plants.html)
Found a vid too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5ODrVAYQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5ODrVAYQM)
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Taparyal on June 30, 2014, 11:27:36 AM
Looks like the fruit is also know as Keraya: http://ji2nee2kerala.weebly.com/medicinal-plants.html (http://ji2nee2kerala.weebly.com/medicinal-plants.html)
Found a vid too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5ODrVAYQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5ODrVAYQM)
The Thondi=Keraya seems to be another plants. There is a picture a bit below of the Thondi they mean - its from Caesalpinoidae...
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on June 30, 2014, 11:45:53 AM
the fruit in the youtube video is same exactly Thondi...but karaya looks different....
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Taparyal on June 30, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
May it be some Sapindaceae?
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on June 30, 2014, 10:32:08 PM
i dont think it belongs to spindace...
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Taparyal on July 01, 2014, 04:02:59 AM
What family may it belong to ? Have You got a picture of the flowers in case?
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Cassio on July 01, 2014, 08:11:28 AM
The fruit must have other name too. Looks like thondi is a name (or some sort of sufix) much used there.

Look (under "Photo9: A Paniya woman..."): a rice is also known as Thondi: http://satoyama-initiative.org/en/on-farm-conservation-of-plant-genetic-resources-a-case-study-from-wayanad-district-of-kerala-india/ (http://satoyama-initiative.org/en/on-farm-conservation-of-plant-genetic-resources-a-case-study-from-wayanad-district-of-kerala-india/)
Sterculia urens Roxb. is known as Thondi Tree. (page 44 in http://indiaenvironmentportal.org.in/files/file/wild%20food.pdf (http://indiaenvironmentportal.org.in/files/file/wild%20food.pdf))
Other example is the Marathondi (Lawsonia inermi), and so on.

Itīs hard to find information about the fruit other than that video....

As a side note, the fruit ressembles the longan (Dimocarpus longan) and the matoa (Pometia pinnata), Iīm right?
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Sanddollarmoon on July 01, 2014, 09:13:48 AM
In the video desciption the person said that he thought the plant belonged to rubiaceae.
I believe that this thondi fruit is actually a species of Ixora, which also belongs to rubiaceae.
Perhaps it is Ixora coccinea? The fruit's vernacular names (thechi and thetti) bear close resemblence to thondi.
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/kripal_k/2160971945/
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Cassio on July 01, 2014, 09:41:02 AM
Hummm... Found the Mini-Tampoi (from Baccaurea ??) - https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/307557_546577235355491_1102657866_n.jpg. The Flesh is to much similar.
It figures in this blog: sarawakianaii.blogspot.com.
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Roy-Ind on July 01, 2014, 09:44:38 AM
May be Ixora coccinea
The plant is shrub so it can not belong to Baccaurea sp
Not possible to be a member of Meliaceae/Sapindaceae

Roy
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Cassio on July 01, 2014, 10:17:10 AM
May be Ixora coccinea
The plant is shrub so it can not belong to Baccaurea sp
Not possible to be a member of Meliaceae/Sapindaceae

Roy

Roy, the ixora fruit looks different and smaller: http://www.projectnoah.org/spottings/38379039. (http://www.projectnoah.org/spottings/38379039.)
He says itīs a shrub, but with 10 to 15 ft tall (3 to 4m) itīs a small tree.
Looking again to my post, I see the mini-tampoi fruit (Baccaurea costulata) donīt have a red skin and the tree is taller (10 to 30 m). So, only the flesh is appeared.
I donīt think we iddentified correctly the fruit yet . ;)
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Taparyal on July 01, 2014, 10:30:51 AM
I was thinking of Allophylus cobbe : http://www.flickr.com/photos/54527470@N00/8363910686# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/54527470@N00/8363910686#)
Sapindaceae, but looks different as Digpati said.
How many seeds are in the fruit?
From the video looks like one seed!
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Roy-Ind on July 01, 2014, 10:42:47 AM
Is it Allophylus cobbe family Sapindaceae as Aliq said?



Roy
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Taparyal on July 01, 2014, 10:48:34 AM
Maybe Phyllanthaceae/Euphorbiaceae??
But still - difficult without flower, seed, leafs....
I don't think its Allophylus at the end - I simply tried to search plants from Kerala that correspond. But without flowers and without knowledge on fruits inside from the Keralite flora - difficult for me :(
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Cassio on July 01, 2014, 11:26:04 AM
I don't think its Allophylus at the end - I simply tried to search plants from Kerala that correspond. But without flowers and without knowledge on fruits inside from the Keralite flora - difficult for me :(

Iīm with you. Based just in fruitīs appearance, I think itīs a Sapindaceae.
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Cassio on July 01, 2014, 11:36:30 AM
I think I finally identified the fruit: Pappea capensis, from the Sapindaceae family. Looks close enough:
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantnop/papcap.htm (http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantnop/papcap.htm)
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Sanddollarmoon on July 01, 2014, 11:37:56 AM
Note the rather inconspicous calyx at the base of the fruit, which is not present in sapindaceae. I am certain that this is a species of Ixora, perhaps Ixora brachiata? This species looks much like the photo of thondi.

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Small tree, up to 7 meters tall. Fruit berry, red-purple, 5 mm across, globose, glabrous; pyrenes planoconvex.
The fruit in the photo appears to be unripe:
(http://s5.postimg.cc/5pa79cstz/image.jpg)

More information here: http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/13804 (http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/13804)

Cassio, Pappea capensis is an Africa native, and a rather uncommon one at that. I am doubtful of it's presence in Kerala.
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Cassio on July 01, 2014, 12:11:43 PM
Note the rather inconspicous calyx at the base of the fruit, which is not present in sapindaceae.
Cassio, Pappea capensis is an Africa native, and a rather uncommon one at that. I am doubtful of it's presence in Kerala.

Good points! I missed the calyx.
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on July 02, 2014, 02:01:47 AM
HERE IS SOME MORE PICS...IT IS NOT Pappea capensis...
(http://s30.postimg.cc/70r9k3kyl/IMAG1279.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/70r9k3kyl/)

(http://s30.postimg.cc/6zhbqoj4t/IMAG1280.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6zhbqoj4t/)
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ephramz on July 07, 2014, 02:18:15 PM
What about Muntingiaceae? The dominate species in this family Muntingia calabura is found throughout Southeast Asia and the leaves and fruit look very similar. Only problem is that one has waxy fruit whereas this one is glaucous and this family is not native to Asia at all, only the Neotropics. But it's the best morphological match I've seen so far.
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: sreekumar menon on July 07, 2014, 09:35:52 PM
There are thorns in the plants. clear pic of leaves. other local names 'chulukutti pazham' , Kottapazham
(http://s18.postimg.cc/t3zq0umvp/WP_20140707_009.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/t3zq0umvp/)
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ephramz on July 08, 2014, 03:05:39 AM
That clinches it, It's a Ziziphus oenoplia, like the jujube
https://www.google.com/images?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Ziziphus%20oenoplia&btnG=Search&gws_rd=ssl (https://www.google.com/images?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Ziziphus%20oenoplia&btnG=Search&gws_rd=ssl)
in the Rhamnaceae.
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Roy-Ind on July 08, 2014, 03:26:00 AM
It is not Ziziphus oenoplia

Roy
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Taparyal on July 08, 2014, 03:55:07 AM
Have a look on Ziziphus fruit structure, leafs, branches....
It is not Ziziphus sp.
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Taparyal on July 08, 2014, 03:57:29 AM
Until now none of us did determine the species, neither even Genus.
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Roy-Ind on July 08, 2014, 04:36:47 AM
It is Flacourtia montana
Family Flacourtiaceae


Roy
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Taparyal on July 08, 2014, 04:42:18 AM
It is Flacourtia montana
Family Flacourtiaceae


Roy

Are You sure dear Digpati? It looks different :(
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Roy-Ind on July 08, 2014, 05:23:24 AM
http://www.pilikula.com/botanical_list/botanical_name_a/alangium_salvifolium.html (http://www.pilikula.com/botanical_list/botanical_name_a/alangium_salvifolium.html)

Roy
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Taparyal on July 08, 2014, 05:35:30 AM
Here it looked a bit differen't, both , fruit and leafs:
http://www.biotik.org/india/species/f/flacmont/flacmont_en.html (http://www.biotik.org/india/species/f/flacmont/flacmont_en.html)
That is why I asked
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on July 08, 2014, 06:09:43 AM
dear all it is not Flacourtia montana...i know Flacourtia montana...,and its comon name here is CHALIRU....that is also edible...Flacourtia montana is out and out thorny...,but thondy has a few thrones...
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Roy-Ind on July 08, 2014, 08:37:33 AM
Examine the leaves carefully.There is only one seed in the fruit.Observe the color & taste of the fruit when ripe.There are thorns on the plant.
If it is not Flacoutia montana,then find the exact botanical name and tell the world.
I feel the fruit should be identified by its scientific name,at least the species while offering to the members for trade or sale..

Roy
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Taparyal on July 08, 2014, 08:57:54 AM
Hasn't any of You a detailed Field Guide of plants of Kerala?
I find only superficial guides, that o not include the whole flora.
But for You it should be easier.
If You want me may search for a Botanist from Kerala.

If any of You has seen the flowers we could at least be ure for the family!
Thorns I cannot see, but Sreekumar stated that there are thorns, so maybe it would be good to know what kind of thorns.

If it is not an extremely rare plant, what it doesn't seem to be, as many of You know it, there must be a consensus on its Classification I suppose!

May I ask, in what language is Thondi the name? Is it Malayalam name or another language?
Excuse me for the ignorance!
Have You tried to search it maybe using the original writing system?
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: harimnair2001@gmail.com on July 08, 2014, 11:31:14 AM
It is not Flacourtia Montana. Flacourtia Montana commonly called Loveloly(hope wild Loveloly)

 In kerala mainly 3 type's of thondi plants are there 1. Kakkathondi (Trichosanthus tricuspidata L.) from Cucurbitaceae family.
 2.second one is also called kakka thondi (Capparis sepiaria L.) from Capparidaceae.3. veli thondi (Alangium salvifolium Wang)fom the family Alangiaceae.

I don't think this fruit will come these three ,

but in Kerala locally this fruit we called as Thondi fruit. so still search going to find it exact botanical name.................
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Taparyal on July 08, 2014, 11:53:48 AM
But the Alangium salvifolium looks actually quite similar, or am I wrong?
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on July 08, 2014, 11:59:15 AM
yes u r right ....Alangium salvifolium looks some what similar to it...but cant be cent percent sure....
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Taparyal on July 08, 2014, 12:03:55 PM
How are the flowers of the plant?
At least approximately?
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: harimnair2001@gmail.com on July 08, 2014, 12:51:19 PM
but in Malayalam Thondi  is added under the family Sterculiaceae .

Alangium salvifolium  is called Ankolam, Azhinni, Arinjil ."Ankolam" is commonly used in Ayurvedic medicinal applications .
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on July 16, 2014, 12:22:59 AM
yea it is Alangium salvifolium....confirmed...
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...Alangium salvifolium
Post by: Roy-Ind on July 16, 2014, 01:24:53 AM
Finally the fruit is identified

Thanks Ajesh

Initially I suspected but some times pictures differ

I request forum members to identify the fruit species posted by me on the discussion board

Please identify Antidesma or other species on the same under the heading-"Any Antidesma species"?

Roy
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: harimnair2001@gmail.com on July 16, 2014, 03:05:16 AM
so finally all of them will come to my conclusion as  Alangium salvifolium but in kerala thondi as well as ankholam 2 names, ankholam- a yurvedic plant.
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Post by: Taparyal on July 16, 2014, 04:13:26 AM
nice we identified it !
May I ask, how is the taste of this species?
Very intresting to know.
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on July 16, 2014, 11:29:05 AM
the taste is sweet sour mixed..when fully ripen very interesting to eat...
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Maryoto on July 27, 2014, 02:11:31 PM
the taste is sweet sour mixed..when fully ripen very interesting to eat...
how long these plants will bear fruit if planted from seed,Ajesh?
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on July 28, 2014, 01:26:34 AM
3- 4 years....
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Cassio on August 12, 2014, 09:20:40 AM
Hi Ajesh!
I received the seeds yesterday, and all of them (Alangium salvifolium and Salacia fruticosa) are already sprouted!  8)
Thanks!
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on August 15, 2014, 05:48:15 AM
OH , ITS A HAPPY NEWS.....
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: fruitlovers on April 18, 2018, 06:56:11 AM
Mine are starting to flower. Will try to post photo later.
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Post by: Cassio on May 08, 2018, 07:24:17 AM
Mine are starting to flower. Will try to post photo later.

Please, do it Oscar.

I have two surviving seedlings. One is 2,20 m tall in a pot. Must be close to fruit. :)
The other seedling was in a communitary pot, together with 3 sisters and donīt grew as expected.
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Post by: fruitlovers on May 10, 2018, 10:02:00 PM
Mine are starting to flower. Will try to post photo later.

Please, do it Oscar.

I have two surviving seedlings. One is 2,20 m tall in a pot. Must be close to fruit. :)
The other seedling was in a communitary pot, together with 3 sisters and donīt grew as expected.
Mine are only 1.5 m tall and already flowering. The flowers are small white flowers, but pretty. Will post when i finish fueling my generator, filling up water bottles, and refueling all my machinery, packing my essential things, in case i need to make a rapid exit.
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on May 13, 2018, 09:51:17 PM
seeds of this season may be available soon....
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Kona fruit farm on May 14, 2018, 03:24:44 AM
i also got a plant (via Oscar) that is flowering now...  really cool looking flowers.. the bush is only perhaps 5 feet tall.    can one bush produce fruit by itself?   i only have one plant.
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on May 14, 2018, 11:18:58 AM
in my experience one plant is enough to set fruit..
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Post by: Kona fruit farm on May 15, 2018, 02:41:03 AM

(https://s31.postimg.cc/9gud5awx3/D8_A506_F5-_A579-47_C2-_AE63-_E79_B7_E673141.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9gud5awx3/)
I hope the bees did their job and this Bush makes some
Fruit
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: fruitlovers on May 15, 2018, 05:34:47 AM
My first flowers did not set fruit.  :(
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: fruitlovers on July 19, 2019, 03:17:51 AM
Finally got fruit. The fruits are very attractive, and have nice sweet/sour balance. Main problem is seed is big, so not too much to eat. The fruit is about size of strawberry guava, but seed in center is about the size and shape of a cherimoya seed. Has lots of medicinal properties, and properly more valuable for that.


(https://i.postimg.cc/PNJStxQn/P1090068.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PNJStxQn)



(https://i.postimg.cc/K10KvZ5C/P1090079.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K10KvZ5C)
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: JoeP450 on July 20, 2019, 12:14:56 AM
http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/chennai/2016/oct/19/tree-that-promises-good-fortune-for-the-whole-family-1529529.html (http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/chennai/2016/oct/19/tree-that-promises-good-fortune-for-the-whole-family-1529529.html)

An article on this fruit

-joep450
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on July 20, 2019, 01:06:52 AM
Oscar , happy to hear the news... ;D
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Kona fruit farm on July 21, 2019, 03:35:38 AM
oscar my tree i got from you a few years back has green fruits on it now!  i think they'll be ready in a month or less
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Post by: fruitlovers on July 21, 2019, 05:01:42 AM
oscar my tree i got from you a few years back has green fruits on it now!  i think they'll be ready in a month or less
The fruits ripen a lot faster than you might expect, so keep a close eye on them, they turn red almost over night.
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: Anjaly S on November 03, 2019, 04:09:05 AM
How to buy seed or plant of this fruit (Thondipazham)?
Title: Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
Post by: ajeshcool47 on November 03, 2019, 10:59:28 AM
season is in June .Anjali