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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: Patrick on May 08, 2014, 06:34:41 PM
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This is my Maha Chanok in June of 2011 right after transplanting out of a three gallon pot.
(http://s28.postimg.cc/u00qom6sp/maha062211.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u00qom6sp/)
This is the same tree less than three years later with 124 fruit on it.
(http://s27.postimg.cc/grfcv2fan/maha05082014.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/grfcv2fan/)
I fertilize all but three months of the year by air, ground, water, and prune every tip, I took out a main scaffold branch this winter that was 2 1/2" diameter. I also run my sprinklers very heavily to maintain my lawn, and mulch about once every three months. This tree produced from year one.
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I only recently (5 months) switched to the Patrick program of a slew of chemicals monthly and, although I now wear a respirator during yard work, my trees have never grown so quickly nor looked so healthy. I now glow in the dark but it is so worth it.
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Great Job!!! Looks like your mix of fertilizers and nutrients are really paying off. I wish mangoes grow as fast here in SoCal.
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Patrick! About as good as it gets!!!!
The water from your lawn sprinklers must be helping
So what is your foliar spray program these days?
Your dedicated culturing of this Maha Chanok shows people how to do more with less. Do more with fewer mango trees. 3-4 mango trees will cover most of the mango season to make most mango fanatics happy
You better get into the fruit selling business or the mango ice cream biz
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Very nice PJ, looks like your daughter got sprayed with some too, she is growing! You'll have to start growing tomacco next.
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Patrick! About as good as it gets!!!!
The water from your lawn sprinklers must be helping
So what is your foliar spray program these days?
You better get into the fruit selling business or the mango ice cream biz
Believe it or not I still use the same mix of phyto-fos, Millers 20-20-20 foliar, SEQ138, CUpro, SO Ag Citrus Minor package, with Class ACT NG adjuvant. I sometimes will hit them mid month with just a mix of Class ACT NG and SO Ags minors, but do this all year round, even in winter. For the record I work 55+ hours a week and am a full time father of a seven year old daughter too! So no excuses... If you buy everything in bulk its not too expensive if you only have to buy the stuff once every five years.
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Very nice PJ, looks like your daughter got sprayed with some too, she is growing! You'll have to start growing tomacco next.
Every time they discuss marijuana legalization on the news everyone I talk to asks me if I will be a grower. I did grow when I was younger, smoked a hell of a lot too! But those days are far behind me now.. I will stick to tropical fruit... I am all for legalization though, to each his own!
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Believe it or not I still use the same mix of phyto-fos, Millers 20-20-20 foliar, SEQ138, CUpro, SO Ag Citrus Minor package, with Class ACT NG adjuvant.
Hmmmm.... I actually have those except for CuPro and Class ACT NG adjuvant.
I must start using using them on my lychee which is going nowhere fast and the younger trees and muscadines
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haha you're gonna have a jungle there in no time.
With the rate that those things are growing, you should consider investing in a good hammermill chipper shredder. Mackissic makes a really nice one. http://www.mackissic.com/Hammermill%20Shredder-Chippers.html (http://www.mackissic.com/Hammermill%20Shredder-Chippers.html) I have the chinese knock-off version, and it's lasted me 7 or 8 years and still runs. I might have to invest in a Mackissic here pretty soon though.
I wish I had your sandy soil.
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Great shot Patrick.
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Mahachanok grows fast, also the grafts of it that i have on my ndm tree.
I noticed that all mangotree's in the USA all look so clean, seems like there are no enemy's that ruin leaves.
This tree grew very well, mango's can use a lot of food and water. The professional mangogrowers use many kg of fertilizers on one tree a year, i never dared to try that but i guess they will have results like on these pics. This tree has so many mango's on the righthand side that it is about to snap.
Those tie-dye shirts that your daughter is wearing i have made/sold for many years, didn't know they were still in fashion. Actually the tshirts from this forum also should be tie-dye in nice green colors.
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haha you're gonna have a jungle there in no time.
With the rate that those things are growing, you should consider investing in a good hammermill chipper shredder. Mackissic makes a really nice one. http://www.mackissic.com/Hammermill%20Shredder-Chippers.html (http://www.mackissic.com/Hammermill%20Shredder-Chippers.html) I have the chinese knock-off version, and it's lasted me 7 or 8 years and still runs. I might have to invest in a Mackissic here pretty soon though.
I wish I had your sandy soil.
Don't give him any ideas. Well, it's been an hour so he's probably already ordered one online.
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http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=4811.msg65885#msg65885 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=4811.msg65885#msg65885)
Heres a progression of the same tree..
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haha you're gonna have a jungle there in no time.
With the rate that those things are growing, you should consider investing in a good hammermill chipper shredder. Mackissic makes a really nice one. http://www.mackissic.com/Hammermill%20Shredder-Chippers.html (http://www.mackissic.com/Hammermill%20Shredder-Chippers.html) I have the chinese knock-off version, and it's lasted me 7 or 8 years and still runs. I might have to invest in a Mackissic here pretty soon though.
I wish I had your sandy soil.
Don't give him any ideas. Well, it's been an hour so he's probably already ordered one online.
The only thing that stopped me was the acceptance size.. It looks like the lesser models can only handle 3/4" or smaller branches?
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I had a couple people PM me about my mix, heres a link to the explanation and breakdown of my mixes.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=241.msg2849#msg2849 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=241.msg2849#msg2849)
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HAHAHAHAH! No, that's for the main chute. You put larger branches in the thing in the side. My cheap chinese knockoff can chip branches the size of my arm. Down the chute, I can toss 1 inchers in without a problem. That's probably the best homeowner chipper / shredder on the market. The hammermill is far superior to the ones that have knives. The knives will dull and break if you accidentally drop a rock down the chute. I once dropped my felco pruners down the chute. Didn't do much damage to the hammermill, but it obliterated my felcos.
haha you're gonna have a jungle there in no time.
With the rate that those things are growing, you should consider investing in a good hammermill chipper shredder. Mackissic makes a really nice one. http://www.mackissic.com/Hammermill%20Shredder-Chippers.html (http://www.mackissic.com/Hammermill%20Shredder-Chippers.html) I have the chinese knock-off version, and it's lasted me 7 or 8 years and still runs. I might have to invest in a Mackissic here pretty soon though.
I wish I had your sandy soil.
Don't give him any ideas. Well, it's been an hour so he's probably already ordered one online.
The only thing that stopped me was the acceptance size.. It looks like the lesser models can only handle 3/4" or smaller branches?
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HAHAHAHAH
Don't give him any ideas. Well, it's been an hour so he's probably already ordered one online.
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This guy (from the "other" forum :-) discusses the differences between hammermill and knives: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tools/msg0522154018815.html#GWCPostBody2 (http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tools/msg0522154018815.html#GWCPostBody2)
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Fantastic, Patrick.
My Maha has beein the ground over 2 years. I wish it had as many leaves as your "before" picture. :'(
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Patrick, that's a monster Maha! How many fruits did it hold last year? We only get growth like that in seedlings
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Patrick, that's a monster Maha! How many fruits did it hold last year? We only get growth like that in seedlings
It held quite a few last year too!
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Patrick, that's a monster Maha! How many fruits did it hold last year? We only get growth like that in seedlings
It held quite a few last year too!
Hopefully the heavy crop will slow down the growth
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Nice! 8)
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Great job Patrick!
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Great job Patrick!
ditto that kiddo, you know how 2 grow mango yo.
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Thanks for all the kind words.. I basically have taken the information from the various recommendations of those who have researched it and been successful and done all of them. The hard part is to take the time to do it over and over.. If I don't use a schedule time passes quick and before you know it you miss a step. I find it helpful to have certain days of the month I stick to.. The first in for foliar, the fifteenth is for ground application.. When things are really producing mass I add in the drenching. Bill Whitman's book is a true inspiration, and a must read if you haven't already.
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This is my Maha Chanok in June of 2011 right after transplanting out of a three gallon pot.
(http://s28.postimg.cc/u00qom6sp/maha062211.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u00qom6sp/)
This is the same tree less than three years later with 124 fruit on it.
(http://s27.postimg.cc/grfcv2fan/maha05082014.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/grfcv2fan/)
I fertilize all but three months of the year by air, ground, water, and prune every tip, I took out a main scaffold branch this winter that was 2 1/2" diameter. I also run my sprinklers very heavily to maintain my lawn, and mulch about once every three months. This tree produced from year one.
Awesome job!! This is inspirational, and I am sure many others here will share my opinion.
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Just to let all know, I can see Patrick's trees as we speak from my home in West Boynton. How so you ask, there is a distinct glow in the sky fo the Northeast. ;) ;D 8)
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Bangkok - here in Florida, the Mahachanok is not a fast grower. Patrick's trees are not the norm. Most do not provide themthe...feeding regimen...that he does. Also, if you were to see most average backyard growers' trees, you wojld see the leaves on most mango trees are not perfect in any way.
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I had a couple people PM me about my mix, heres a link to the explanation and breakdown of my mixes.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=241.msg2849#msg2849 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=241.msg2849#msg2849)
How to make horticultural liquid crack. :D
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very nice mango tree good job.
i pruned away my glenn mango flowers and now its dying very sad :(
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Thanks again Patric. Photos tell the story! and prove your foliar system works.
Though watering your lawn heavily also should be hitting your fruit trees and helping growth
Or do you shut of sprinklers near mango trees during the months they are dormant plus ones they are blooming and carrying fruits
Do you arrange your sprinkler heads to not hit certain fruit trees?
I am redoing my lawn sprinklers myself and getting a new well pump. Old one bit the bust
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Thanks again Patric. Photos tell the story! and prove your foliar system works.
Though watering your lawn heavily also should be hitting your fruit trees and helping growth
Or do you shut of sprinklers near mango trees during the months they are dormant plus ones they are blooming and carrying fruits
Do you arrange your sprinkler heads to not hit certain fruit trees?
I am redoing my lawn sprinklers myself and getting a new well pump. Old one bit the bust
I water everything year round with my sprinklers, but not too deep. In the winter months I cut back to twice a week, sixteen minutes per zone (5-8am). During the hotter months I water three times a week at sixteen minutes per zone (5-8am). If it gets really dry (like now) I will add an eight minute pin to each zone in the evening those days(early enough for the air to evaporate most the surface water to avoid fungus issues) I have recently been deep watering my mamey trees with a hose timer, I do three minutes every two days and move the hose N-S-E-W of the trunk near the drip lines alternating each time. My mango trees hold fruit, I think consistency helps. I had fruit split on my NDM after monsoon rains the past two years, but some of the larger fruit made it to maturity even then.
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I water everything year round with my sprinklers, but not too deep. In the winter months I cut back to twice a week, sixteen minutes per zone. During the hotter months I water three times a week at sixteen minutes per zone. If it gets really dry (like now) I will add an eight minute pin to each zone in the evening those days(long enough for the air to evaporate most the surface water to avoid fungus issues) I have recently been deep watering my mamey trees with a hose timer, I do three minutes every two days and move the hose N-S-E-W of the trunk near the drip lines alternating each time. My mango trees hold fruit, I think consistency helps. I had fruit split on my NDM after monsoon rains the past two years, but some of the larger fruit made it to maturity even then.
- What I am getting from your reply---
- Your entire yard gets irrigated by your lawn grass sprinklers
- You do nothing to make their water miss the mango trees during panicle formation etc etc. They and other fruit trees get hit with as much irrigation water as the grass/
- But you are not irrigating deeply so it does not negatively affect mangoes and others
- shallow irrigation is your method for the grass and that some of this water happens to hit the fruit tress is not having a negative effect. Might even be positive
- plus consistent schedule of irrigation keeps mango fruits from cracking
****BTW you are keeping your trees mulch moist so it breaks down to black humus quicker
****plus the heavy mulch you use is kind of a drip irrigation system when you factor in the frequent lawn irrigation
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haha you're gonna have a jungle there in no time.
With the rate that those things are growing, you should consider investing in a good hammermill chipper shredder. Mackissic makes a really nice one. http://www.mackissic.com/Hammermill%20Shredder-Chippers.html (http://www.mackissic.com/Hammermill%20Shredder-Chippers.html) I have the chinese knock-off version, and it's lasted me 7 or 8 years and still runs. I might have to invest in a Mackissic here pretty soon though.
I wish I had your sandy soil.
Don't give him any ideas. Well, it's been an hour so he's probably already ordered one online.
The only thing that stopped me was the acceptance size.. It looks like the lesser models can only handle 3/4" or smaller branches?
If you look around on ebay or Craig's list you can find the pt 12 model for around $500. Takes three inch branches in the chipper The shredder takes almost one inch stuff. Highly reccomended and works great.
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Wow! This thread diverted! :o Nice looking tree Patrick! I have definitely seen a leap in growth in my trees since instituting your fert regime, though haven't been as consistent...this is some good motivation! Let me know when the taste testing is or u may wake up to an empty mango tree! :)
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Wow!! That's an amazing growth rate...I have a Pickering that took off close to that ;)
Great Job!!!
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Patrick - an amazing amazing job. One quickie - did you ever pick off fruitlets
in the first year (or two) to focus on tree growth?
Also from a reply you gave - "..... The first in for foliar, the fifteenth is for ground application.. When things are really producing mass I add in the drenching....."
What would be the diff. between ground application and drenching?
thanks, gary
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Ground application - ex: Granular Fertilizer spread lightly around the drip line and watered in .
Drenching - ex: Liquid Iron drench or liquid fertilizer mixed up and poured around the drip line
Maybe that's what he meant !
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Patrick - an amazing amazing job. One quickie - did you ever pick off fruitlets
in the first year (or two) to focus on tree growth?
Also from a reply you gave - "..... The first in for foliar, the fifteenth is for ground application.. When things are really producing mass I add in the drenching....."
What would be the diff. between ground application and drenching?
thanks, gary
Ground application - ex: Granular Fertilizer spread lightly around the drip line and watered in .
Drenching - ex: Liquid Iron drench or liquid fertilizer mixed up and poured around the drip line
Maybe that's what he meant !
Ground application in granular on the soil surface, foliar/aerial on the leaves, drench in liquid into the mulch/soil.
I do remove fruit from my trees when they are small if they don't abort. The first 18 months are crucial for rapid growth, fruiting stops the process, and flower spikes retard the growth of a small tree so I usually cut them off below the start of the panicle to get rid of the weird lump.
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Patrick-- do you think your foliar program leads to less fruit drop for mangoes. Have you noticed less dropping than your neighbors trees? I have had too much drop this year. I have been thinking some foliar trace mineral might work against this. Thanks!
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I'm curious if your mango suffers from softnose. Its reported and I've seen it with my trees that too much nitrogen fertilizer brings about softnose (jelly seed) in mango.
Too much watering also can effect the quality of fruit as well.
Obviously by the photos your tree is very healthy and growing great. Is it possible that the tree would have even more fruit on it with less care? There is no doubt mango likes and grow great in fertile conditions. But, also its known that mango like to be stressed and its best not to encourage the tree to grow too fast. Mango are very drought tolerant and in Florida we get enough rain to support them.
I've seen mango growing in old dilapidated and abandoned groves holding an overabundance of fruit. In contrast, I've seen well maintained trees not produce. I've been growing mango for 20 years and have never watered or chemically fertilized my trees and they produce great with no care. Of course, I'm just a homeowner hobbyist and I don't need too much production for it to produce enough for me. My problem now is shading, as the trees have shaded themselves out and we all know they need full sun to fruit.
I'm suggesting that maybe that you are providing too much care for your trees and that although you are getting a lot of fruit that the fruit may be inferior or has softnose.
Its an interesting discussion for me as I always tell people to never water or fertilize mango. They don't need it. But, again, I also can be wrong and there is no true absolute right or wrong on growing mango.
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Patrick-- do you think your foliar program leads to less fruit drop for mangoes. Have you noticed less dropping than your neighbors trees? I have had too much drop this year. I have been thinking some foliar trace mineral might work against this. Thanks!
Are you giving your trees any supplemental watering or letteing mother nature take it course?
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How soon after the maha develops a blush will they be ready for picking ?
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Patrick-- do you think your foliar program leads to less fruit drop for mangoes. Have you noticed less dropping than your neighbors trees? I have had too much drop this year. I have been thinking some foliar trace mineral might work against this. Thanks!
Are you giving your trees any supplemental watering or letteing mother nature take it course?
I have not been watering mango trees with fruit. My own take is due to the warm winter the mango trees put forth too many fruits. I never saw so many mango clusters on trees. These mango are getting thinned out by mother nature late. Early is much more preferable
Next time-year I have this happen I am going to do some thinning. It is a ridiculous waste of the trees resources to grow fruits to a good size then have them drop off.
Most years we blame spring winds. This year there was no spring wind blowing off the weaker ones.
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This year has been a really bad year for fruit drop.
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This year has been a really bad year for fruit drop.
I absolutely agree with you! Its already a light crop for me and its not like my trees can afford it :'(