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Title: Anonas
Post by: spaugh on November 19, 2018, 06:57:04 PM
Got to try some llama, atemoya, sugar apple?, and cherimoya.  Have only had cherimoyas in the past.

The others were not even in the same league as the cherimoya.  Was going to grow some llamas and atemoyas but not now.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4815/45963011051_b4f239187d_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: simon_grow on November 19, 2018, 08:42:39 PM
Brad, I would have to agree that Cherimoya was the best tasting out of the group. I was really hoping the Illama would be a good tasting fruit but was very disappointed in the flavor, texture and seediness.

Simon
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: JF on November 19, 2018, 09:31:19 PM
Everyone has their preferences and opinions but I agree with you guys 100%. There is no anonas that can compete with an Pierce, Orton, El Bumpo and some other top tiers. Simon and I have been to tastings that have confirm this however there are ppl in this forum that prefer the former including some that have been with us in those tasting. I’ve had many saramoyos and custard apples that are as good as some cherimoyas
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Guanabanus on November 20, 2018, 09:28:51 AM
The flavor and texture of ilamas can vary drastically on the same tree, from one year to the next--- from wonderful to worthless.  The biggest negative factor seems to be an early start of the summer rainy season.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Johnny Redland on November 20, 2018, 11:25:13 AM
This is why I'm a big fan of the custard apple, because the raspberry flavor and creamy texture of the San Pablo or Fernandez varieties is so different from any other Atemoyas.  Trying to compare typical Atemoyas like those pictured above with Cherimoya is like trying to compare a Tommy Atkins Mango to a Malika Mango or Sweettart mango.  They are apples and oranges even though they are in the same family.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: JF on November 20, 2018, 11:35:32 AM
The flavor and texture of ilamas can vary drastically on the same tree, from one year to the next--- from wonderful to worthless.  The biggest negative factor seems to be an early start of the summer rainy season.

They are affected by rain and sudden drop in night temps here in SoCal. Simon and I went to a cherimoya tasting a few years ago in Irvine research & extension center and every cherimoya tasted like pig slop , if I would’ve decided not to plant a cherimoya based that experience it would’ve been a terrible choice. Here is what Kyle said about anona rosada a few days ago in my instagram: the king of anonas!


(https://i.postimg.cc/kRNY8Y2v/AFCE66-B0-5-C94-45-A0-AC9-C-21-DEB0-FC58-B6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kRNY8Y2v)

different strokes for different folks....
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: JF on November 20, 2018, 11:46:11 AM
This is why I'm a big fan of the custard apple, because the raspberry flavor and creamy texture of the San Pablo or Fernandez varieties is so different from any other Atemoyas.  Trying to compare typical Atemoyas like those pictured above with Cherimoya is like trying to compare a Tommy Atkins Mango to a Malika Mango or Sweettart mango.  They are apples and oranges even though they are in the same family.

Very good point Johnny the texture and flavor is so different among  species of annonas. Red flesh custard apples are as enjoyable as any anona I’ve taste. I prefer Tizimin and Uxmal reds. SoCal folks are spoiled with regards in able to grow cherimoyas and other annobas they should take advantage
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Johnny Redland on November 20, 2018, 03:54:11 PM
This is why I'm a big fan of the custard apple, because the raspberry flavor and creamy texture of the San Pablo or Fernandez varieties is so different from any other Atemoyas.  Trying to compare typical Atemoyas like those pictured above with Cherimoya is like trying to compare a Tommy Atkins Mango to a Malika Mango or Sweettart mango.  They are apples and oranges even though they are in the same family.

Very good point Johnny the texture and flavor is so different among  species of annonas. Red flesh custard apples are as enjoyable as any anona I’ve taste. I prefer Tizimin and Uxmal reds. SoCal folks are spoiled with regards in able to grow cherimoyas and other annobas they should take advantage

Tizimin and Uxmal huh? I've never had the pleasure of trying either.  I'll keep my eye out for those trees, fruits, or bud wood. 
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Guanabanus on November 20, 2018, 07:49:39 PM
I also very much like Annona reticulata, Custard-Apple.  Haven't heard of the Uxmal and Tizimin varieties--- sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: spaugh on November 20, 2018, 08:54:51 PM
Heres a knight cherimoya off my 1 year old tree.  Small seeds, high flesh ratio, 30 brix...  This is one of the best cherimoyas Ive had.


(https://i.postimg.cc/BP5PC205/20181115-164955.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BP5PC205)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZBddC1sM/20181120-171913.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZBddC1sM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jDMN96JZ/20181120-174432.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jDMN96JZ)
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: simon_grow on November 20, 2018, 09:33:28 PM
Nice looking fruit Brad. The wind and dry weather have been knocking fruit off my trees the last couple weeks. These were knocked off yesterday or the day before

(https://i.postimg.cc/tsk78nkD/B9386781-407-B-4-E75-8087-2-DBBA296-F134.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tsk78nkD)
I just found these on the ground right now
(https://i.postimg.cc/bZyw0NPn/76-AF9201-7339-420-A-B009-3-EBAE973-C18-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bZyw0NPn)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zLMD1Cgw/FA380709-2-D40-4263-B4-EF-296-B849-BBF79.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zLMD1Cgw)
Simon
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: wslau on November 20, 2018, 11:40:37 PM
Nice find Simon ...easily over $50 worth of fruit at today’s market prices.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: CA Hockey on November 21, 2018, 02:57:13 AM
Are you guys hand pollinating to get those yields or letting entropy do its thing?
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: simon_grow on November 21, 2018, 08:12:22 AM
I hand pollinate. My fruitvis pretty seedy due to my hand pollination and I tend not to thin enough so my fruit size is smaller.

Simon
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: JF on November 21, 2018, 10:45:54 AM
Are you guys hand pollinating to get those yields or letting entropy do its thing?

Hand pollinating is the only way to go if you want to increase production but as Simon says thinning is a must to insure the fruits size up
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Bush2Beach on November 21, 2018, 01:23:33 PM
With multiple cultivars in one yard I dont find the need to hand pollinate. Many tree’s that have been in the ground 1-2 years are over fruiting themselves with 20+ fruit holding on a 5’ x 5 ‘ tree. I do have to thin for them to size up properly but i have not pollinated as of yet. Trying to get some fruit set on any other Annona grafted to Cherimoya, it appears hand pollination is necessary.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: JF on November 21, 2018, 07:33:07 PM
The information above is incorrect. I have an anona forest in all 5 of my yards and if I relied on the trees to set on their own I couldnt feed my family.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ykH0dbNp/8-D7-B0713-E5-C4-400-D-97-EA-084-A0-F9-D40-B3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykH0dbNp)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CRMDCnkj/BE197689-E9-DB-4880-A4-A5-7-C2-DA950-D4-E6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CRMDCnkj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jL43dNRN/32-C8-B0-C6-5952-45-A5-AD42-CCD5559452-A0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jL43dNRN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RNBbBGx4/37403-A16-F8-A5-4-A57-B468-58-EC7-CD97834.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RNBbBGx4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/75PsC6LR/5-D1864-FE-36-CB-4767-BAD0-803-F09512-C7-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/75PsC6LR)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rdPP2kMP/BE50-B37-C-081-C-4-F1-F-A4-D9-393-D5-B2-BE925.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rdPP2kMP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nM7wgg53/C66-B0-FB3-97-BE-446-B-895-F-406-BDBF91-DE4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nM7wgg53)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dZ8HCZdb/ECF95450-BC8-A-4433-9-B6-C-D22-EAF29-AB45.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dZ8HCZdb)
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: spaugh on November 21, 2018, 09:20:26 PM
With multiple cultivars in one yard I dont find the need to hand pollinate. Many tree’s that have been in the ground 1-2 years are over fruiting themselves with 20+ fruit holding on a 5’ x 5 ‘ tree. I do have to thin for them to size up properly but i have not pollinated as of yet. Trying to get some fruit set on any other Annona grafted to Cherimoya, it appears hand pollination is necessary.

Post pictures
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Bush2Beach on November 22, 2018, 11:36:15 AM
Go nyam some fresh noni  fruit. I have zero incentive to post incorrect or misleading information.
I have give or take 30 + grafted cherimoya in the ground i grew from seed , grafted and planted and thats what is happening so chuck off. Your going to tell me I hand pollinate when I don’t? That’s weird ,  plenty of folks on the forum have seen my set up and grown Cherimoya tree’s from fruit that was grown in my yard .without hand pollination. The untrue statement is your family is not fed from Annona’s in your yard’s but by Von’s, Chicken, Corn , Squash maybe and the diet is augmented with Annona . So basically, do not tell me what i am experiencing , that you have not seen , is incorrect. That is a burro move.
The information above is incorrect. I have an anona forest in all 5 of my yards and if I relied on the trees to set on their own I couldnt feed my family.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ykH0dbNp/8-D7-B0713-E5-C4-400-D-97-EA-084-A0-F9-D40-B3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykH0dbNp)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CRMDCnkj/BE197689-E9-DB-4880-A4-A5-7-C2-DA950-D4-E6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CRMDCnkj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jL43dNRN/32-C8-B0-C6-5952-45-A5-AD42-CCD5559452-A0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jL43dNRN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RNBbBGx4/37403-A16-F8-A5-4-A57-B468-58-EC7-CD97834.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RNBbBGx4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/75PsC6LR/5-D1864-FE-36-CB-4767-BAD0-803-F09512-C7-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/75PsC6LR)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rdPP2kMP/BE50-B37-C-081-C-4-F1-F-A4-D9-393-D5-B2-BE925.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rdPP2kMP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nM7wgg53/C66-B0-FB3-97-BE-446-B-895-F-406-BDBF91-DE4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nM7wgg53)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dZ8HCZdb/ECF95450-BC8-A-4433-9-B6-C-D22-EAF29-AB45.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dZ8HCZdb)
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Bush2Beach on November 22, 2018, 11:47:41 AM
From my most recent planting , most of these Annona were planted from 15-25 gallon pots this Spring. I did not have the success with fruit set until multiple cultivars are in flower at the same time. I am still getting flowers and fruit set. I am not aware of any other Cherimoya planting’s in Santa Cruz area. One friend I gave a 15 gallon Behl tree to hand pollinates religiouslly and his fruits are bigger but it could be the variety and fact he has 1 of the most ideal growing conditions i have seen here.


With multiple cultivars in one yard I dont find the need to hand pollinate. Many tree’s that have been in the ground 1-2 years are over fruiting themselves with 20+ fruit holding on a 5’ x 5 ‘ tree. I do have to thin for them to size up properly but i have not pollinated as of yet. Trying to get some fruit set on any other Annona grafted to Cherimoya, it appears hand pollination is necessary.

Post pictures



Always more fruit hiding under the foliage than you can see in the photo’s.
(https://i.postimg.cc/V5xVHKxj/FC6-A5-E78-CC41-486-D-B0-A1-E93613-E22-DE5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V5xVHKxj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DWDzVVdv/31-BD482-D-E767-4-C7-F-A10-A-4717874-D19-C4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWDzVVdv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jythd7XY/66706650-A512-4-F4-C-AEC4-816-B877-DFA4-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jythd7XY)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Mn9TDfnj/8-E3034-B6-97-AD-4783-BEB8-33-E20-A44-ED36.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mn9TDfnj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/svRvDrF1/AF8135-EB-B42-D-4-F64-A6-FD-FFF1-F9-C646-F2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/svRvDrF1)

Setting fruit since around July and still setting
(https://i.postimg.cc/VdB5JV1g/C4271163-29-B8-44-A5-9-E6-E-3-F2-AC84029-D9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VdB5JV1g)
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: simon_grow on November 22, 2018, 11:53:05 AM
I’ve seen Annonas including Cherimoyas set fruit on their own but it’s usually larger trees like the ones at Exotica. For consistent harvests of nicely shaped fruit, you need to hand pollinate for good harvests.

For us with larger Cherimoya trees, I expect between 70-100 Fruit year in and year out. For really large trees, you can expect a lot more. I already harvested a bunch of fruit from my tree and there is still quite a few hanging. This is accomplished by hand pollination.
Here’s some fruit that recently fell off
(https://i.postimg.cc/f3jyDxbp/7-ACC71-A8-F793-4-D03-A9-FC-FE50-EA46-FB09.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3jyDxbp)
And still quite a bit hanging on the tree

(https://i.postimg.cc/zbGzN66H/223-C4227-0-F15-4470-BA0-F-A310-D3-D86054.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zbGzN66H)
Simon
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Bush2Beach on November 22, 2018, 12:38:01 PM
Simon, What is the larger tree size , capable of holding 70-100 fruits , trunk caliper near the base?
I recall a handout from Nino at the CCA conference that stated he hand pollinated earlier and earlier each year and this correspondended with bigger harvests. I’ve also read on TFF about hand pollinating contributing to more seediness. There is give and take with everything. I would like to be on it with handpollinsting  and I would like all the varieties to fruit, many pots on the fire of course and I would be more likely to without the good fruit set.
The “Dream” , “Lisa” and A. Globiflora continue to flower well for a third year but no hand pollination so no fruit set. I have observed smaller amounts of fruit set and no fruit set on certain Cherimoya cultivar ( Pierce, Inca Red) , and then others overset themselves prolifically without the hand pollination (HoneyHART, Licia, Fino de Jete) , fascinating.

Of note regarding Exotica was a singular Cherimoya I found holding ripe in August, on one of the huge tree’s at the back of the lot next door. Never pruned , those monsters must be 30 foot by 30 foot easy.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: simon_grow on November 22, 2018, 01:21:47 PM
My Cherimoya tree in the back is approximately 10 feet tall and 10 feet wide. The trunk measured 1 foot above ground level is approximately 4 inches in diameter. I would guesstimate it had about 80-90 fruit on it and it had slightly more fruit last year.

My tree is still very young, it’s been in the ground about 6 years or so. A full grown Cherimoya tree is humongous and will produce much more fruit. My larger tree at my old house would produce around 200 fruit.

Here’s a picture of the trunk of my tree.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mzYqgy1x/D170-CB7-B-C3-BD-4046-91-D9-8-E7-A71-A9-A3-FC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mzYqgy1x)
Simon
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: marklee on November 24, 2018, 05:12:12 PM
Some various annonas ripening, a lot of the atemoyas were pollinated with custard apple pollen.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mcxrc89X/46519108-10156796850730419-2294472757607399424-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mcxrc89X)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Q9hxmC0c/46519935-10156796850735419-1747516029740777472-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Q9hxmC0c)

(https://i.postimg.cc/d78VGrmq/46520253-10156796850610419-7810283966329520128-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/d78VGrmq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vxm8RjRB/46524156-10156796850595419-6988774387528761344-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vxm8RjRB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xJ5j4Q4h/46645614-10156796850725419-2381400086769827840-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJ5j4Q4h)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hh4t7JJB/46679871-10156796850605419-1690185981640048640-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hh4t7JJB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bd6N0zb2/46736170-10156796850740419-2731736158173134848-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bd6N0zb2)

Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Guanabanus on November 24, 2018, 05:57:15 PM
Several factors infuence flowering, fruit set, and fruit set retention:  mineral nutrition(especially Calcium, Boron, and Zinc), soil moisture, air humidity, warmth, presence of pollinators (Nitidulid mini beetles, not bees or flies), and lots of sunlight.

So from one yard to the next, persons can have 100% different results, without anyone's being a liar.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: ScottR on November 24, 2018, 06:55:33 PM
Well said Har!
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Bush2Beach on November 24, 2018, 09:10:29 PM
From a real Annona Guru, thank you Har.
There are many variables and each one’s experience can be insight or a learnimg experiment if you choose to look at it that way. Like most folks here I write about my trials and errors, successes and failures so we can learn from each other to be better fruit farmers .


Several factors infuence flowering, fruit set, and fruit set retention:  mineral nutrition(especially Calcium, Boron, and Zinc), soil moisture, air humidity, warmth, presence of pollinators (Nitidulid mini beetles, not bees or flies), and lots of sunlight.

So from one yard to the next, persons can have 100% different results, without anyone's being a liar.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: kh0110 on November 25, 2018, 02:42:29 AM
Several factors infuence flowering, fruit set, and fruit set retention:  mineral nutrition(especially Calcium, Boron, and Zinc), soil moisture, air humidity, warmth, presence of pollinators (Nitidulid mini beetles, not bees or flies), and lots of sunlight.

So from one yard to the next, persons can have 100% different results, without anyone's being a liar.

It's been 2 seasons now that I've seen Nitidulid beetles in my yard. This could be excellent for annonas growers in So Cal if they don't carry diseases. Below photos show one fella I caught on a small Na Dai flower. These insects are probably the ones mainly responsible for the fruiting without hand pollination in So Cal. I don't think annonas such as Cherimoyas are self fruitful due to the timing of the flowering and the form factor of the flowers themselves which prevents wind and normal pollinators such as bees and flies from getting in.

(https://i.postimg.cc/3yWdvDxd/IMG-1167.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3yWdvDxd)  (https://i.postimg.cc/xNVChxyz/IMG-1170.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xNVChxyz)
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Jose Spain on November 25, 2018, 08:11:16 AM
I’ve seen Annonas including Cherimoyas set fruit on their own but it’s usually larger trees like the ones at Exotica. For consistent harvests of nicely shaped fruit, you need to hand pollinate for good harvests.

For us with larger Cherimoya trees, I expect between 70-100 Fruit year in and year out. For really large trees, you can expect a lot more. I already harvested a bunch of fruit from my tree and there is still quite a few hanging. This is accomplished by hand pollination.
Here’s some fruit that recently fell off
(https://i.postimg.cc/f3jyDxbp/7-ACC71-A8-F793-4-D03-A9-FC-FE50-EA46-FB09.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3jyDxbp)
And still quite a bit hanging on the tree

(https://i.postimg.cc/zbGzN66H/223-C4227-0-F15-4470-BA0-F-A310-D3-D86054.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zbGzN66H)
Simon

Impressive Simon!
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Guanabanus on November 25, 2018, 10:21:04 AM
The beetle pictured probably does pollinate.  Many Nitidulids are smaller than that.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: spaugh on November 25, 2018, 11:26:34 AM
Speaking of bugs and annonas, just in the last couple of weeks there has been a lot of hornworms eating my cherimoya trees.  They did quite a bit of chomping away on a few trees.  I don't go look at the trees closely very often and they had plenty of time to eat away.  Anyone else have these hornworms on their annonas?  Ive only seen them on tomatoes before.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: JF on November 25, 2018, 11:30:51 AM
Nitidulid or not the best way to maximize yr product is hand pollinating. The practice is widely use by commercial growers and hobbiest alike to achieve results like the one you see above.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: kh0110 on November 25, 2018, 01:12:14 PM
The beetle pictured probably does pollinate.  Many Nitidulids are smaller than that.

Below is a closeup photo of one that fell into the cup when I was collecting pollen.

(https://i.postimg.cc/06D7Ftz1/IMG-0977.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/06D7Ftz1)
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: FMfruitforest on November 25, 2018, 02:30:47 PM
Is Zone 10a in Southwest florida a suitable location to grow cherimoya?
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: pineislander on November 26, 2018, 05:09:13 PM
Not really good for Cherimoya. We are best suited to Sugar Apple or Atemoya. Please send me a Private Message I am neighboring on Pine Island and can introduce you to other members close to you if desired/
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: johnb51 on November 26, 2018, 05:19:24 PM
Speaking of bugs and annonas, just in the last couple of weeks there has been a lot of hornworms eating my cherimoya trees.  They did quite a bit of chomping away on a few trees.  I don't go look at the trees closely very often and they had plenty of time to eat away.  Anyone else have these hornworms on their annonas?  Ive only seen them on tomatoes before.
Yes!  They were on my atemoya tree earlier this year.  Also, had them on flowers once (pentas).
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: marklee on November 28, 2018, 12:00:35 PM
Speaking of bugs and annonas, just in the last couple of weeks there has been a lot of hornworms eating my cherimoya trees.  They did quite a bit of chomping away on a few trees.  I don't go look at the trees closely very often and they had plenty of time to eat away.  Anyone else have these hornworms on their annonas?  Ive only seen them on tomatoes before.
Brad, the "hornworm" that is getting peoples annonas is the Giant sphinx moth (Cocytius antaeus). I know a few people that have been getting them, but I haven't seen any on my trees in Chula Vista.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Seanny on November 28, 2018, 12:33:40 PM
I only had a problem with grasshopper eating leaves last summer.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: simon_grow on November 28, 2018, 01:44:07 PM
Frank and Har and any other Annona expert,

Is there a way I can get less seedy fruit but still hand pollinate to get good crops of nicely shaped fruit. I get a ton of fruit from my trees but they’re too seedy.

I’ve considered diluting down my pollen

Or can I use pollen from another Annona that will produce fewer seeds?

Simon
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Guanabanus on November 28, 2018, 05:11:25 PM
I've heard that some commercial producers, of Cherimoya, use puffers with Lycopodium Fern Pollen.  I don't know any details.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Guanabanus on November 28, 2018, 05:13:32 PM
Usually, the more seeds there are, the better the flavor, due (so I hear) to growth regulators exuded by the seeds.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: simon_grow on November 28, 2018, 06:48:36 PM
Thanks for the info Har!  I normally I collect pollen from multiple flowers before I hand pollinate and I refresh my brush with new pollen after every flower. Next year, I’ll try to pollinate 10-15 flowers before refreshing with new pollen to see if that helps.

I will also test to see if Atemoya pollen will produce less or more seeds.

Simon
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: BonsaiBeast on November 29, 2018, 05:56:30 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/WdpG9VhY/46942715-1971097236517561-4077426369233944576-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WdpG9VhY)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rDhS3H4V/46980100-258072908192420-1807189094170624-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rDhS3H4V)

I just picked my first cherimoya ever! It's supposedly a chaffey (got it from la verne).

It started to have very small cracks last time it rained, and now that its raining again, I decided to pick it. Did I make the right decision?

Also, how would you reccomend ripening it? I have it in a paper bag on the counter right now.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: Coach62 on November 29, 2018, 08:08:56 PM
They are apples and oranges even though they are in the same family.

Apples and oranges aren’t in the same family! 😉

Sorry, I’m tired.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: simon_grow on November 30, 2018, 05:33:59 PM
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I just picked my first cherimoya ever! It's supposedly a chaffey (got it from la verne).

It started to have very small cracks last time it rained, and now that its raining again, I decided to pick it. Did I make the right decision?

Also, how would you reccomend ripening it? I have it in a paper bag on the counter right now.

Just ripen on the counter out of air conditioning. If it was picked mature, it will usually ripen in about 1-3 days. Putting it inside a brown paper bag, especially if you include other ripe fruit, will hasten ripening.
Simon
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: BonsaiBeast on November 30, 2018, 05:43:20 PM
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I just picked my first cherimoya ever! It's supposedly a chaffey (got it from la verne).

It started to have very small cracks last time it rained, and now that its raining again, I decided to pick it. Did I make the right decision?

Also, how would you reccomend ripening it? I have it in a paper bag on the counter right now.

Just ripen on the counter out of air conditioning. If it was picked mature, it will usually ripen in about 1-3 days. Putting it inside a brown paper bag, especially if you include other ripe fruit, will hasten ripening.
Simon

Thanks! Does it look properly mature to you? I felt like I was forced to remove it because of the rain we were getting causing splitting. How does one deal with this issue?

I will post a follow up when I open and taste it to see how it is.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: simon_grow on December 01, 2018, 09:12:10 PM
When you shake it, can you hear the seeds rattle? By the color and size of your fruit, it looks like it will ripen but I usually let my fruit turn slightly more yellowish green before harvesting in order to maximize sugars.

If your tree is fully established and you have a regular watering schedule, your fruit will probably not split from the rain but in your case, it looks like you may have already had some cracking prior to the rain so it was a good idea for you to pick it before more damage is done.

The wind from the last storm blew loose a lot of my ripe fruit but the remaining fruit from my trees have no signs of cracking even after all the rain I just received. Giving your trees enough Calcium may help with any cracking issues.

Simon
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: BonsaiBeast on December 02, 2018, 01:51:01 AM
When you shake it, can you hear the seeds rattle? By the color and size of your fruit, it looks like it will ripen but I usually let my fruit turn slightly more yellowish green before harvesting in order to maximize sugars.

If your tree is fully established and you have a regular watering schedule, your fruit will probably not split from the rain but in your case, it looks like you may have already had some cracking prior to the rain so it was a good idea for you to pick it before more damage is done.

The wind from the last storm blew loose a lot of my ripe fruit but the remaining fruit from my trees have no signs of cracking even after all the rain I just received. Giving your trees enough Calcium may help with any cracking issues.

Simon

I can hear the seeds rattling. Is that a good sign?
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: simon_grow on December 02, 2018, 05:43:08 PM
Yeah, when you can hear the seeds rattle, that is a great sign you picked it when it’s mature. Let us know how it tastes.
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Simon
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: BonsaiBeast on December 04, 2018, 11:40:07 PM
I finally decided to open it. It was pretty tasty, although not the sweetest or most flavorful I've had (very good nonetheless).

I was hoping for more acidity and tartness. Perhaps this is because I let it ripen a day too much. Next time I'll try opening it just when the fruit gets "springy" and not when it starts bruising.

All things considered, this is a definite success for my first cherimoya harvest, I'd say! 😁😁
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Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: simon_grow on December 04, 2018, 11:57:21 PM
The inside of the fruit looks pretty good. If there’s not enough acidity, it could be the variety. El Bumpo has excellent sugar acid balance. Most Cherimoyas are pretty sweet but the longer you let it hold on the tree, to a certain extent, the sweeter it will be. Also, proper fertilization will increase sweetness.

As your tree matures, you will get more fruit and the quality will increase. With more fruit, you can wait until the first fruit drops and observe the color of the fruit to tell when other fruit will soon drop. You want to pick the fruit before it drops otherwise the stem end will pull out and the opening will rot or get fungus.

Simon
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: BonsaiBeast on December 05, 2018, 02:03:37 AM
The inside of the fruit looks pretty good. If there’s not enough acidity, it could be the variety. El Bumpo has excellent sugar acid balance. Most Cherimoyas are pretty sweet but the longer you let it hold on the tree, to a certain extent, the sweeter it will be. Also, proper fertilization will increase sweetness.

As your tree matures, you will get more fruit and the quality will increase. With more fruit, you can wait until the first fruit drops and observe the color of the fruit to tell when other fruit will soon drop. You want to pick the fruit before it drops otherwise the stem end will pull out and the opening will rot or get fungus.

Simon

I guess I was under the impression that Chaffey would be more acidic given its description on the lavern's tag, and descriptions online. But again, it might just be how long I let it sit before eating.
Title: Re: Anonas
Post by: achetadomestica on December 05, 2018, 04:51:01 AM


I guess I was under the impression that Chaffey would be more acidic given its description on the lavern's tag, and descriptions online. But again, it might just be how long I let it sit before eating.
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This year I got my second season of Lisa Atemoya fruit. This years crop was so much better then last year.
I also got my first season of Dream this year and it was not as good as it's hyped up to be Maybe next year
the second season it will improve as well?