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Title: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 12, 2015, 06:55:05 PM
Now you have found the real A.A.....I figured why not start a thread here for the paw paw addicted people in the world...

I think FL is the world's epicenter for Asimina species....

we even have those super rare deeringothamnus species...which I believe are found nowhere else in the world.

I'm planting parviflora and triloba here in central FL...maybe we can get a cross? or even a decent tasting parviflora would be enough to get me excited about grafting some...I think almost all of the species have variability in flavor, so it's worth seeking out superior strains...even for species that are reported to be poor quality.

Also, I have a friend who fruited A. triloba in central FL, and it made delicious fruits, but production was minimal. 

let's get excited about finding new varieties and species to grow!  maybe even some hybrids!

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Marsbars on February 12, 2015, 09:01:15 PM
I hear that susquehana is one of the best cultivars around. Prone to cracking, bruising, and 1lb fruits too! Ive never tried a pawpaw. Is it possible to bring one to fruition in southern California?. Also the thought of Interspecific hybrids with pawpaw makes brings me to deep contemplation.

Edit: Intergeneric
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 13, 2015, 09:31:56 AM
I just planted a susquehana, Shenandoah , and allegheny last week. I have had a "mango" for a couple years but I planted it in a spot with full shade and it has not grown much at all. It does flower though. I may move it this week but I am worried about the transplant killing it.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bob407 on February 13, 2015, 09:54:14 AM
Jsvand5,  that is great to hear that your "mango" is flowering. What is the size of your tree and how tall was it when planted?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 13, 2015, 11:17:02 AM
Jsvand5,  that is great to hear that your "mango" is flowering. What is the size of your tree and how tall was it when planted?

Not big. Maybe 2 1/2 feet. Might have grown a foot in the last two years. It is is 100% shade though. I am cutting down a big mulberry soon and that should help with the sunlight if I don't end up just moving the pawpaw instead
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 13, 2015, 12:41:08 PM
I just planted a susquehana, Shenandoah , and allegheny last week. I have had a "mango" for a couple years but I planted it in a spot with full shade and it has not grown much at all. It does flower though. I may move it this week but I am worried about the transplant killing it.

have you tried hand pollinating?

my friends have got fruit set with isolated trees, just by hand pollinating...
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 13, 2015, 03:52:34 PM
I just planted a susquehana, Shenandoah , and allegheny last week. I have had a "mango" for a couple years but I planted it in a spot with full shade and it has not grown much at all. It does flower though. I may move it this week but I am worried about the transplant killing it.

have you tried hand pollinating?

my friends have got fruit set with isolated trees, just by hand pollinating...

Haven't tried. Figured it was too small anyway. Maybe this season if it flowers again. I'd just like to try a fruit. Seems to be a love them or hate them type fruit from the few people that I know that have tried them.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: gator_rider2 on February 13, 2015, 07:29:19 PM
Peaches number one some nectarines are great I have peaches at end April.

Sorry new member post wrong thread.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: fyliu on February 13, 2015, 11:40:07 PM
I bought a small plant recently before it went dormant, about 2ft. No idea when it should fruit but it's grafted and I grafted another varietiy onto the rootstock part of it.

What are the good varieties? I know Ed Self and TX rare fruit growers prefer Wabash.

I've tried it twice, once a piece from large fruits shipped from FL and one that's locally grown but small. The small one filled the car with a very nice banana aroma and the fruit was chewier and creamier than cherimoya.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 17, 2015, 10:04:02 AM
Yes so far Wabash is my favorite!

Ed
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 17, 2015, 10:08:02 AM
Pawpaw Pollination

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This picture is of a pawpaw flower in the receptive stage. The petals are cut away to expose the sexual parts. The large green mass at the bottom is the immature anthers. There are 5 stigma protruding up through mass. If pollinated there is a possibility of 5 fruit. A flower with only say three stigma will develop only three fruit if all are pollinated.
When the petals are still green, the flower is not receptive (female). You want the petals to turn maroon (some green showing is okay). You want the stigmas to be swollen and glisten. The petals will be rather tight. The ball of anthers will be green and tight. When the flower changes to the male stage, the petals flare out more widely, petal color can be darker; the ball of anthers darken and loosen and begin releasing pollen.

The next picture is of a flower which is past the receptive stage and the anthers have matured. The green mass has turned gray and if you look closely pollen is on the petals. The problem is getting this pollen to flowers that are receptive.

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This is easy to do. Most flowers hang up side down. Simply take a small bottle such as a prescription bottle hold it under the flower and rake the anthers which contain pollen into the bottle. Be careful to not break off the stigma and ovary which is under the anther mass. Don't worry about separating the pollen from the anthers. Now take a Q-tip or tiny paint brush pull off some of the cotton, not all, Then twist into a smaller ball, dip into the pollen mix and touch to the stigma of receptive flowers. You will get anthers and pollen, but the flower doesn't care and the pollen will find the stigma. Pollen isn't available when the first flowers open due to the delay of maturing anthers. But again that is no problem as the bloom period is nearly two weeks. So don't try pollinating until several days after the first flowers open.

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 17, 2015, 10:33:01 AM
A few clusters of hand pollinated fruit from my only variety that was blooming at the time of pollinating.



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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 17, 2015, 10:48:50 AM
Pawpaw flower buds
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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 06:32:27 AM


http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1993/v2-505.html (http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1993/v2-505.html)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 06:34:28 AM

http://www.petersonpawpaws.com/Products.php (http://www.petersonpawpaws.com/Products.php)

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 07:22:54 AM
www.clemson.edu/hort/peach/pdfs/northamericanpawpaw.pdf (http://www.clemson.edu/hort/peach/pdfs/northamericanpawpaw.pdf)

www.clemson.edu/hort/Peach/pdfs/FG97.pdf (http://www.clemson.edu/hort/Peach/pdfs/FG97.pdf)

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bob407 on February 18, 2015, 10:30:03 AM
Nice pics of the fruit, Ed.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 01:23:39 PM
Thanks Bob! One is PA Golden and the other one was Wells. They were my favorites till I tried Wabash.

Ed

Nice pics of the fruit, Ed.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on February 18, 2015, 04:37:14 PM
Anyone know if Duckworth A,B,C pawpaw selections available anywhere?


Duckworth A: Low-chill cultivar selected in San Mateo, Florida by Eric Duckworth, seedling of Louisiana native parent; tree with pyramidal
shape.

Duckworth B: Low-chill cultivar selected in San Mateo, Florida by Eric Duckworth, seedling of Louisiana native parent; grows no larger
than a shrub.

"Yes, Pawpaws in Palatka
This short report on CRFG member Eric
Duckworth's success in growing pawpaws in
Florida was excerpted from Lynettte Walther's
column, Good Seasons, in the Palatka Daily
News, which we thank for permission to reprint.

"Since everything I read seemed to
indicate that pawpaws grew further to
the north ... and not where I garden in
Northeast Florida, I gave up hope of
growing them myself.

"So imagine my delight when Eric
[Duckworth] assured me not only that
pawpaws grew here, but that they also
produced fruit!

"Now, I have to tell you that Eric's
pawpaws seem to be exceptions to the
rule. So much so that agriculturists
from all over, including some from
universities, have come to Eric's garden
to see for themselves that pawpaws
produce here.

He has developed
three new varieties, each with their
own characteristic. One of them, the
'A' pawpaw, grows in a pyramid shape.
The 'B' grows not larger than a big
shrub, and the 'C' grows in a cluster.

"You see, the parents of Eric's trees
came from Jackson, Parish, La.
" 'They come from Cajun pawpaws,'
Eric said proudly. 'I never told them
they weren't supposed to grow here.' "
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 04:43:08 PM
I was able to visit Mr. Duckworth back in the 90 s when I started collecting named varieties of pawpaws. I was able to sample the fruit and did not find the plants to be worth propagating in my opinion.

 Ed
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on February 18, 2015, 04:46:47 PM
I was able to visit Mr. Duckworth back in the 90 s when I started collecting named varieties of pawpaws. I was able to sample the fruit and did not find the plants to be worth propagating in my opinion.

 Ed

Ok, that would make the low chill qualities a moot point then.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 04:49:22 PM
How many chill hours do you normally get?

Ed
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on February 18, 2015, 05:29:30 PM
How many chill hours do you normally get?

Ed

They would be planted in Port Saint Lucie, 1 mi from the river 4 mi from the intercoastal. Zone 10a, +10 year old coconut palms.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 06:03:47 PM
Wabash went dormant and leafed out for me 2 years in a roll when I lived in the Orlando area. I would recommend giving it a try. I would plant so it would be in the shade from about noon forward.

Ed


How many chill hours do you normally get?

Ed

They would be planted in Port Saint Lucie, 1 mi from the river 4 mi from the intercoastal. Zone 10a, +10 year old coconut palms.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 18, 2015, 07:45:40 PM
Ed,

is this plant in the ground or in a pot?

what variety?

nice pic amigo!
A few clusters of hand pollinated fruit from my only variety that was blooming at the time of pollinating.



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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 10:29:08 PM
Thanks Adam! This is a multi grafted tree planted in the ground. The cluster of 3 is PA Golden and the other cluster is the Wells variety.


Ed,

is this plant in the ground or in a pot?

what variety?

nice pic amigo!
A few clusters of hand pollinated fruit from my only variety that was blooming at the time of pollinating.



([url]http://s8.postimg.org/vsezwwj1t/1399774806509.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/vsezwwj1t/[/url])

([url]http://s8.postimg.org/jcia35ppt/1420990896898.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/jcia35ppt/[/url])

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 11:05:30 PM
Pawpaw growing and fruiting in Texas. Notice how it is planted against the east side of the house. Null and other growers in Florida I would recommend the same either against a house or other structure to provide protection from after noon sun.

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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 19, 2015, 09:24:43 AM
Pawpaw growing and fruiting in Texas. Notice how it is planted against the east side of the house. Null and other growers in Florida I would recommend the same either against a house or other structure to provide protection from after noon sun.

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Have you tried allegheny? I was trying to decide between that one and wabash. I went with allegheny but now you have me wanting a wabash too.
 My only problem is that my yard pretty much has areas of full sun or almost no sun. I put the three newly purchased whips in a full sun area since the tree that I have had in shade has grown ridiculously slow in the last 2 years. I'm just  planning to see how they handle the sun and I'll put up a shade cloth if they don't seem to do well.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 19, 2015, 03:15:04 PM
I have not tried Allegheny. Wabash has been the best pawpaw fruit that I have tried out of all varieties that I sampled so far. I have seen the trees grow kinda slow till established then they take off after a couple years.

Ed
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 19, 2015, 04:00:49 PM
I have not tried Allegheny. Wabash has been the best pawpaw fruit that I have tried out of all varieties that I sampled so far. I have seen the trees grow kinda slow till established then they take off after a couple years.

Ed

Is the wabash a patented variety? I was hoping to avoid buying another tree but I guess I'll have to if they can't be grafted. Just have to figure out where to plant it.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: fyliu on February 19, 2015, 07:33:54 PM
I'm looking for good varieties too but realized that my tree is still too small to graft much onto. I was able to make one graft to the extra rootstock growth so I now has 2 varieties.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: TriangleJohn on February 20, 2015, 09:45:22 AM
I'm in zone7b (Raleigh NC) and mine do best growing on the edge of shade, so they get some sun but not long extended periods of full sun. Mine are all offspring from named varieties, grown from seed, about 5 years old and 12 feet tall. They have started to sucker but I am afraid to dig the babies up for fear of damaging the long tap root. All the fruits from my 5 trees tastes the same but come in different sizes and shapes and ripens at different times (sometimes even from the same tree). One of my trees blooms and sets fruit twice each year - the normal early Spring bloom with summer fruits and an August bloom with October fruits. This same tree also goes to sleep in the fall earlier than all the others. This is the tree that happened to be blooming when my Cherimoya (greenhouse) was in bloom so I tried to hand pollinate them. I have those seeds sowed and isolated from all the other pawpaw seeds to see if they will sprout. I should be able to tell when they get their first set of true leaves since the pawpaw leaves are long and thinner than the Cherimoya. To me the pawpaw fruit flavor is as good a grocery store Cherimoya, not as good as a perfectly ripe Cherimoya in South America or California but still pretty good.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 20, 2015, 08:13:06 PM
I'm really interested in hearing more about the one that fruits twice per a year. Has it done this several years in a row?

Ed

I'm in zone7b (Raleigh NC) and mine do best growing on the edge of shade, so they get some sun but not long extended periods of full sun. Mine are all offspring from named varieties, grown from seed, about 5 years old and 12 feet tall. They have started to sucker but I am afraid to dig the babies up for fear of damaging the long tap root. All the fruits from my 5 trees tastes the same but come in different sizes and shapes and ripens at different times (sometimes even from the same tree). One of my trees blooms and sets fruit twice each year - the normal early Spring bloom with summer fruits and an August bloom with October fruits. This same tree also goes to sleep in the fall earlier than all the others. This is the tree that happened to be blooming when my Cherimoya (greenhouse) was in bloom so I tried to hand pollinate them. I have those seeds sowed and isolated from all the other pawpaw seeds to see if they will sprout. I should be able to tell when they get their first set of true leaves since the pawpaw leaves are long and thinner than the Cherimoya. To me the pawpaw fruit flavor is as good a grocery store Cherimoya, not as good as a perfectly ripe Cherimoya in South America or California but still pretty good.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 20, 2015, 11:44:32 PM
Asimina hybrids

By R Neal Peterson

of A. triloba and A. reticulata and A. obovata


https://m.facebook.com/100007916506104/albums/1476153569325179/?refid=17
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 20, 2015, 11:48:04 PM
Pawpaw Orchards

By R Neal Peterson

Throughout the country.

https://m.facebook.com/100007916506104/albums/1477229989217537/?refid=17
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on February 21, 2015, 12:25:01 AM
Quote
But he successfully created interspecific hybrids by crossing Asimina obvovata, A. longifolia, A. incana, and A. reticulata with A. triloba. The A. triloba x A. obovata hybrids appeared fertile. Unfortunately, Zimmerman died in 1941 before his other crosses matured. Only a tiny portion of his varietal collection was donated by his widow to the Blandy Experimental Farm: eight interspecific Asimina hybrids and four controlled crosses of 'Ketter', 'Buckman' and 'Taylor' (Flory, 1958).


http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/PDF/conference/peterson03.pdf (http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/PDF/conference/peterson03.pdf)

That is great news that it hybrids with A. reticulata. Some strains of A. reticulata are really good, it could also open up the hybrids to subtropical/tropical climates.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 21, 2015, 12:57:23 AM
Lots of work left to do! Great information for pawpaw breeders.

Ed
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 21, 2015, 01:15:25 AM
man I can't think of a prettier tree to grow in temperate regions...or a more tropical looking one!

is that tree at your house Ed?

Make me want to plant a bunch of those here at my house, even if they don't fruit!
Pawpaw growing and fruiting in Texas. Notice how it is planted against the east side of the house. Null and other growers in Florida I would recommend the same either against a house or other structure to provide protection from after noon sun.

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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 21, 2015, 02:49:01 AM
Adam,

That tree is at the house that I lived at in the Houston area.

man I can't think of a prettier tree to grow in temperate regions...or a more tropical looking one!

is that tree at your house Ed?

Make me want to plant a bunch of those here at my house, even if they don't fruit!
Pawpaw growing and fruiting in Texas. Notice how it is planted against the east side of the house. Null and other growers in Florida I would recommend the same either against a house or other structure to provide protection from after noon sun.

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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: TriangleJohn on February 21, 2015, 01:48:03 PM
Edself65 - Last year was the first year for my trees to fruit. They all had a few flowers on them the year before but only one of them made fruit. Last year they were covered in flowers and I got all the fruit I could eat. The tree that fruited twice is one of the weaker trees in the row. It seems to suffer from drought stress even after a rain or I have hand watered it and it starts to turn yellow months before the rest of them - so I'm not too sure it is healthy. Only a few of its branches bloomed a second time last year. I was grateful for late season fruit because I got to enter them in our state fair where they won a blue ribbon! Last year I left everyone alone and most of them formed clusters of fruit (sometimes as many as 5 fruit per cluster) and this kept the fruit small. This year I plan on thinning them to see if I can get larger fruit.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 21, 2015, 06:35:20 PM
Triangle John,
I would mulch the tree that looks to be suffering from drought with a nice layer of leaves and pine needles. You may also want to provide some temporary shade from direct sun.

Ed

Edself65 - Last year was the first year for my trees to fruit. They all had a few flowers on them the year before but only one of them made fruit. Last year they were covered in flowers and I got all the fruit I could eat. The tree that fruited twice is one of the weaker trees in the row. It seems to suffer from drought stress even after a rain or I have hand watered it and it starts to turn yellow months before the rest of them - so I'm not too sure it is healthy. Only a few of its branches bloomed a second time last year. I was grateful for late season fruit because I got to enter them in our state fair where they won a blue ribbon! Last year I left everyone alone and most of them formed clusters of fruit (sometimes as many as 5 fruit per cluster) and this kept the fruit small. This year I plan on thinning them to see if I can get larger fruit.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 22, 2015, 06:33:40 PM
Pawpaw flower buds swelling and getting close to flowers opening.




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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 26, 2015, 04:25:28 PM
just ordered gainesville 1 & 2 from www.justfruitsandexotics.com (http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com) (looks like I got the last of the gainesville)

also got collins....

I'm ready to see if I can get some fruits at my new location (gainesville is like 1.5hr north of here..not far at all)...I'm think cold enough and wet enough for sure!

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 27, 2015, 12:05:17 PM
just ordered gainesville 1 & 2 from [url=http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com]www.justfruitsandexotics.com[/url] ([url]http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com[/url]) (looks like I got the last of the gainesville)

also got collins....

I'm ready to see if I can get some fruits at my new location (gainesville is like 1.5hr north of here..not far at all)...I'm think cold enough and wet enough for sure!


I have flowers forming on my "mango" variety. I don't have anything to pollinate with this year but it looks like it is going to flower pretty nicely. I do wish I would have planted my new ones where they get shade in the afternoon but I'm going to leave them in full sun until I see how they do.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 27, 2015, 12:07:58 PM
Pollinate it with itself.

just ordered gainesville 1 & 2 from [url=http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com]www.justfruitsandexotics.com[/url] ([url]http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com[/url]) (looks like I got the last of the gainesville)

also got collins....

I'm ready to see if I can get some fruits at my new location (gainesville is like 1.5hr north of here..not far at all)...I'm think cold enough and wet enough for sure!


I have flowers forming on my "mango" variety. I don't have anything to pollinate with this year but it looks like it is going to flower pretty nicely. I do wish I would have planted my new ones where they get shade in the afternoon but I'm going to leave them in full sun until I see how they do.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on February 27, 2015, 03:09:56 PM
I have not tried Allegheny. Wabash has been the best pawpaw fruit that I have tried out of all varieties that I sampled so far. I have seen the trees grow kinda slow till established then they take off after a couple years.

Ed
Hello my friend! The seeds you sent me last year are from wabash variety? By the way, the seedlings are doing great!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 27, 2015, 03:14:35 PM
Glad to hear! Yes those seeds are from Wabash. That is the only variety that I have blooming and fruiting everything else is rootstock to me.

Ed

I have not tried Allegheny. Wabash has been the best pawpaw fruit that I have tried out of all varieties that I sampled so far. I have seen the trees grow kinda slow till established then they take off after a couple years.

Ed
Hello my friend! The seeds you sent me last year are from wabash variety? By the way, the seedlings are doing great!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on February 27, 2015, 03:24:19 PM
Glad to hear! Yes those seeds are from Wabash. That is the only variety that I have blooming and fruiting everything else is rootstock to me.

Ed

I have not tried Allegheny. Wabash has been the best pawpaw fruit that I have tried out of all varieties that I sampled so far. I have seen the trees grow kinda slow till established then they take off after a couple years.

Ed
Hello my friend! The seeds you sent me last year are from wabash variety? By the way, the seedlings are doing great!  ;D

Thank's a lot!  ;D http://www.ohiopawpaw.com/PawpawProd.pdf (http://www.ohiopawpaw.com/PawpawProd.pdf)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on February 27, 2015, 10:17:21 PM
Great thread....thanks Ed for linking me over to it, and also thanks a ton for the pictures - that helps me a lot, as i've never seen the buds or flowers on a tree before, only fruit.

Newbie question - how long is the harvested pollen viable if kept in a sealed container? Or is the goal to immediately do the hand pollination when there is a favorable mix of mature and receptive flowers on the tree?




Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 28, 2015, 08:36:14 AM
No problem! Hope it can help folks successfully pollinate their pawpaw flowers.

I have stored pollen in the fridge for a couple days in a prescription bottle with good success. I haven't stored any beyond that time frame.

Ed
Great thread....thanks Ed for linking me over to it, and also thanks a ton for the pictures - that helps me a lot, as i've never seen the buds or flowers on a tree before, only fruit.

Newbie question - how long is the harvested pollen viable if kept in a sealed container? Or is the goal to immediately do the hand pollination when there is a favorable mix of mature and receptive flowers on the tree?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 03, 2015, 04:56:17 PM
just planted a few grafted paw paws in a wet spot....now maybe I'm thinking I made a mistake?

I dug a hole about 2 ft deep...and was distracted for about 30 minutes...when I came back to plant the tree in the hole, it was filled with water.

having heard that paw paws are flood tolerant, I said to myself, "Oh well, it can handle it"

now i'm reading some articles that say the paw paw is really weak when it comes to flood tolerance?

I guess we will find out who's full of shit...

I'm not digging the damn things up....it's up to them (the trees) to figure it out.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: ClayMango on March 03, 2015, 08:08:42 PM
Mr. Peterson was kind enough to get back to me after i sent him an email asking him how sweet his personally developed Paw Paws were in comparison to Cherimoyas. To be specific I asked him what were the Brix levels and this is what he replied back.

"I have brix on at least two:
 Shenandoah Pawpaw = 19%
 Susquehanna Pawpaw = 24%
 
Actually, I imagine that those bracket it for the other four, 19-24%
 
Do you grow cherimoya yourself, Christopher. Your scientific interest
 piques my interest.
 
Neal"


I'm so excited to hear that Paw Paws are just as sweet as your average Cherimoya if not Sweeter...Can't wait to pick up 3 of Peterson's Paw Paws!!!!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 04, 2015, 11:35:03 AM
Cool info, Clay. Lines up with my tastebuds - definitely a sweet fruit when ripe
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 21, 2015, 10:32:29 PM
my gainesville #1 paw paw had a few very small broken branches, and I just so happened to have a few paw paw seedlings that I planted this winter...that got weed whacked by the lawn mower man....I grafted them recently, and looks like one is taking!  I'll be excited if I have two gainesville #1 trees now!
(http://s16.postimg.org/6jgnvbsg1/IMG_1142.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6jgnvbsg1/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: sanitarium on March 23, 2015, 10:10:07 AM
my gainesville #1 paw paw had a few very small broken branches, and I just so happened to have a few paw paw seedlings that I planted this winter...that got weed whacked by the lawn mower man....I grafted them recently, and looks like one is taking!  I'll be excited if I have two gainesville #1 trees now!
([url]http://s16.postimg.org/6jgnvbsg1/IMG_1142.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/6jgnvbsg1/[/url])


it is cleft graft you´ve used?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 23, 2015, 11:39:23 AM
https://vabf.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/neal-peterson-improved-varieties-of-pawpaws-for-virginia.pdf
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 23, 2015, 11:49:51 AM
yes. cleft..

also i've seen people use saddle and splice graft.

sure veneer would work too..and several other grafts.

my gainesville #1 paw paw had a few very small broken branches, and I just so happened to have a few paw paw seedlings that I planted this winter...that got weed whacked by the lawn mower man....I grafted them recently, and looks like one is taking!  I'll be excited if I have two gainesville #1 trees now!
([url]http://s16.postimg.org/6jgnvbsg1/IMG_1142.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/6jgnvbsg1/[/url])


it is cleft graft you´ve used?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: ClayMango on March 23, 2015, 11:54:19 AM
Definately looking to purchase 3 Peterson Paw Paws!!!!!!!! probably going to wait next year, The only thing thats upsetting about them, is they add to the fruits which coincide with my Mango Harvest....Pluots, Figs, Mangos, Dragon Fruit, Cherimoya....I cant eat them all at once.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 23, 2015, 12:30:21 PM
Definately looking to purchase 3 Peterson Paw Paws!!!!!!!! probably going to wait next year, The only thing thats upsetting about them, is they add to the fruits which coincide with my Mango Harvest....Pluots, Figs, Mangos, Dragon Fruit, Cherimoya....I cant eat them all at once.

freeze them for later use...eat a little of each to be well rounded with a wide variety of nutritional and medicinal benefits.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: ClayMango on March 23, 2015, 01:09:19 PM
Definately looking to purchase 3 Peterson Paw Paws!!!!!!!! probably going to wait next year, The only thing thats upsetting about them, is they add to the fruits which coincide with my Mango Harvest....Pluots, Figs, Mangos, Dragon Fruit, Cherimoya....I cant eat them all at once.

freeze them for later use...eat a little of each to be well rounded with a wide variety of nutritional and medicinal benefits.


Which fruits freeze well? I know Lychee taste amazing when Frozen, the drop in flavor is almost non existent...I wa shocked when i bought a bag of Frozen Lychee at how close it tasted to fresh Lychee.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 23, 2015, 02:26:07 PM
I don't know about whole fruits, but pawpaw pulp freezes well. It's also a star in homemade ice cream.

I'm excited that 3 of my seedlings are leafing out  - I managed not to kill them over their first winter!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bob407 on March 23, 2015, 02:43:22 PM
I don't know about whole fruits, but pawpaw pulp freezes well. It's also a star in homemade ice cream.

I'm excited that 3 of my seedlings are leafing out  - I managed not to kill them over their first winter!





Anthony, you should try your hand at grafting. Now would be the perfect time to gather cuttings from your favorite tree.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 23, 2015, 03:47:09 PM
lychee, mango and paw paw for sure...dragon fruit as well.
Definately looking to purchase 3 Peterson Paw Paws!!!!!!!! probably going to wait next year, The only thing thats upsetting about them, is they add to the fruits which coincide with my Mango Harvest....Pluots, Figs, Mangos, Dragon Fruit, Cherimoya....I cant eat them all at once.

freeze them for later use...eat a little of each to be well rounded with a wide variety of nutritional and medicinal benefits.


Which fruits freeze well? I know Lychee taste amazing when Frozen, the drop in flavor is almost non existent...I wa shocked when i bought a bag of Frozen Lychee at how close it tasted to fresh Lychee.

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on March 23, 2015, 04:37:51 PM
yes. cleft..

also i've seen people use saddle and splice graft.

sure veneer would work too..and several other grafts.

my gainesville #1 paw paw had a few very small broken branches, and I just so happened to have a few paw paw seedlings that I planted this winter...that got weed whacked by the lawn mower man....I grafted them recently, and looks like one is taking!  I'll be excited if I have two gainesville #1 trees now!
([url]http://s16.postimg.org/6jgnvbsg1/IMG_1142.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/6jgnvbsg1/[/url])


it is cleft graft you´ve used?



Nice. Mine are starting to push already too. I really liked grafting them. The wood seemed nice and soft so getting good cuts was very easy. I ended up doing all whip and tongues. Assuming the grafts keep looking good I should have allegheny, shenandoah, Susquehanna, wabash, Collins, gainesvie 1 and mango. The mango is putting out a bunch of flowers now. Hoping to try a fruit this season.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: ClayMango on March 23, 2015, 05:18:45 PM
yes. cleft..

also i've seen people use saddle and splice graft.

sure veneer would work too..and several other grafts.

my gainesville #1 paw paw had a few very small broken branches, and I just so happened to have a few paw paw seedlings that I planted this winter...that got weed whacked by the lawn mower man....I grafted them recently, and looks like one is taking!  I'll be excited if I have two gainesville #1 trees now!
([url]http://s16.postimg.org/6jgnvbsg1/IMG_1142.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/6jgnvbsg1/[/url])


it is cleft graft you´ve used?



Nice. Mine are starting to push already too. I really liked grafting them. The wood seemed nice and soft so getting good cuts was very easy. I ended up doing all whip and tongues. Assuming the grafts keep looking good I should have allegheny, shenandoah, Susquehanna, wabash, Collins, gainesvie 1 and mango. The mango is putting out a bunch of flowers now. Hoping to try a fruit this season.



Please give a nice review, would really like to here reports on named quality Paw Paws and not just random varieties.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 23, 2015, 05:48:05 PM
I don't know about whole fruits, but pawpaw pulp freezes well. It's also a star in homemade ice cream.

I'm excited that 3 of my seedlings are leafing out  - I managed not to kill them over their first winter!

Anthony, you should try your hand at grafting. Now would be the perfect time to gather cuttings from your favorite tree.
thanks for the encouragement, Bob. Not sure if my seedlings are ready for it...they are really thin, only a couple mm. They're not quite 1 year old yet, technically.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 08, 2015, 02:03:41 PM
the Gainseville #1 branches I grafted onto small inground seedlings, seem to have taken.

I guess it was a blessing that the branches broke!


(http://s9.postimg.org/3ml9vb8zv/IMG_1315.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3ml9vb8zv/)

(http://s9.postimg.org/o7vg9h16z/IMG_1316.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/o7vg9h16z/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on April 15, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
Pawpaw Pollination

([url]http://s17.postimg.org/uff8x5uuz/10003635_10202956689870340_1405090699_o.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/uff8x5uuz/[/url])

This picture is of a pawpaw flower in the receptive stage. The petals are cut away to expose the sexual parts. The large green mass at the bottom is the immature anthers. There are 5 stigma protruding up through mass. If pollinated there is a possibility of 5 fruit. A flower with only say three stigma will develop only three fruit if all are pollinated.
When the petals are still green, the flower is not receptive (female). You want the petals to turn maroon (some green showing is okay). You want the stigmas to be swollen and glisten. The petals will be rather tight. The ball of anthers will be green and tight. When the flower changes to the male stage, the petals flare out more widely, petal color can be darker; the ball of anthers darken and loosen and begin releasing pollen.

The next picture is of a flower which is past the receptive stage and the anthers have matured. The green mass has turned gray and if you look closely pollen is on the petals. The problem is getting this pollen to flowers that are receptive.

([url]http://s16.postimg.org/5f1arvght/10999250_10205319605501754_561334811396919495_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/5f1arvght/[/url])

This is easy to do. Most flowers hang up side down. Simply take a small bottle such as a prescription bottle hold it under the flower and rake the anthers which contain pollen into the bottle. Be careful to not break off the stigma and ovary which is under the anther mass. Don't worry about separating the pollen from the anthers. Now take a Q-tip or tiny paint brush pull off some of the cotton, not all, Then twist into a smaller ball, dip into the pollen mix and touch to the stigma of receptive flowers. You will get anthers and pollen, but the flower doesn't care and the pollen will find the stigma. Pollen isn't available when the first flowers open due to the delay of maturing anthers. But again that is no problem as the bloom period is nearly two weeks. So don't try pollinating until several days after the first flowers open.


Thank you for the excellent pollination info--- maybe someday I'll get lucky enough to use it, such as when I visit Alabama!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: shah8 on April 26, 2015, 02:55:03 AM
Long way from any joy, but I have a Maria's Joy and a Susquehanna planted earlier this spring...

Ed, what would you say the difference was between Susquehanna and Wabash in terms of flavor?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on April 26, 2015, 08:40:40 AM
Discovered a volunteer paw-paw (?) growing too close to my greenhouse.  :-\

(http://i.imgur.com/Do48mOb.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/0xQnPKi.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on April 26, 2015, 09:01:29 AM
Looks like you found your self an A. pygmaea!


Discovered a volunteer paw-paw (?) growing too close to my greenhouse.  :-\

([url]http://i.imgur.com/Do48mOb.jpg?1[/url])

([url]http://i.imgur.com/0xQnPKi.jpg?2[/url])
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on April 26, 2015, 09:11:40 AM
I have only fruited Wabash so far from Peterson Pawpaws. I have several Susquehanna plants that should fruit next year. Wabash has been my all time favorite versus all of the older selected pawpaws. I have removed all varieties that I was growing and now only grow the Peterson selections. I have been told by several sources that i am going to like Susquehanna even better than Wabash. When they were all released years ago I bought all of the selections but Wabash was the only survivor and reliable producer for me. So we shall see I'm trying the other ones here in Central Texas now.

Ed
Long way from any joy, but I have a Maria's Joy and a Susquehanna planted earlier this spring...

Ed, what would you say the difference was between Susquehanna and Wabash in terms of flavor?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 26, 2015, 11:30:49 AM
Galka,

nice find!

save the seeds (or collect as many seeds as possible)

those wild pawpaws can be valuable for sale or trade!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on April 26, 2015, 12:25:29 PM
Galka,

nice find!

save the seeds (or collect as many seeds as possible)

those wild pawpaws can be valuable for sale or trade!
Sure, I will. I just looked and it seems the little guy got pollinated. Should I protect it from critters and how? Also maybe I should give it some kind of support. It's lying on the ground.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 26, 2015, 12:56:26 PM
yes, there are many ways to protect the fruits...

i would wait for them to get larger, and then try to protect them.

I've seen small bags used (usually breathable, mesh, or screen), or even the clam shell packages that you get strawberries (blueberries) in, from the store.

they can be clamped down right onto the branch tip, over the immature fruits.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on April 26, 2015, 01:12:59 PM
Thanks for tips, Adam.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on April 29, 2015, 09:35:59 PM
Pawpaw grafts budding out!
(http://s1.postimg.org/nxwgoxexn/11037500_10205844936394698_9156554423639215413_o.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/nxwgoxexn/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 29, 2015, 09:45:39 PM
Pawpaw grafts budding out!
([url]http://s1.postimg.org/nxwgoxexn/11037500_10205844936394698_9156554423639215413_o.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/nxwgoxexn/[/url])


tight work!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on April 29, 2015, 10:00:23 PM
Thanks Adam! These grafts were all done with buddy tape!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 01, 2015, 05:30:16 PM
http://m.deltafarmpress.com/orchard-crops/moving-pawpaws-mainstream (http://m.deltafarmpress.com/orchard-crops/moving-pawpaws-mainstream)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on May 01, 2015, 09:44:59 PM
I'm glad to hear that the kick start was sucessful.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 02, 2015, 12:24:04 AM
http://forestviewpawpaws.weebly.com/ (http://forestviewpawpaws.weebly.com/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Droshi on May 02, 2015, 12:24:17 PM
I have both mango and PA Golden varieties that I've planted in cloth pots. They are about a year old now. First year they didn't do much, and over the winter I thought maybe they were lost. But this spring they both leafed out nicely. In full Texas sun, and not watered very often, I'm thinking they must be pretty tough trees.

I'm planning to move, but once that's complete I'll be planting both of these, as well as getting 1-2 of each Peterson variety.

I believe I've read on Peterson's site, that grafts eventually die off in the long-run (~20-40 years?). Is that true of just pawpaw? Or most fruit trees? I suppose constant cultivation and grafting onto new root stock is what keeps them going. But if that's the case I may end up planting a small experimental orchard from seed as well.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 02, 2015, 12:29:20 PM
I don't see why pawpaw grafts would die off. The grafted scion becomes the tree.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Droshi on May 02, 2015, 12:59:39 PM
I think it was here I read:
http://www.petersonpawpaws.com/About.php (http://www.petersonpawpaws.com/About.php)

"In retrospect, it is clear that none of the fruit at Zimmerman's was of special quality (unlike the fruit later discovered at Blandy). That is not difficult to understand. The named cultivars in Zimmerman's collection would naturally have been grafted by Zimmerman from scion wood that cooperators mailed him. Forty years since Zimmerman's death is a long time in the life of a pawpaw tree. Doubtless the tops, the grafts, had died."

Like I say, not sure exactly the full meaning, but I guess I must have remembered that grafts eventually die off. Maybe it's unique to pawpaw, or maybe he meant in reference to something else.

Anyway, here's a pic of my 2 plants:

(http://s15.postimg.org/7s8b94ptz/IMG_20150502_114106.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/7s8b94ptz/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 02, 2015, 03:24:28 PM
I think he is referring to trees that are top worked. If you look at the ones that I cut the rootstock down to a few inches and a single trunk the grafted part is the tree
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Chandramohan on May 07, 2015, 12:43:44 PM
Hello, Do pawpaw trees require chill to fruit?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 07, 2015, 08:06:18 PM
Most require chill hours. I know of some in Central Florida and southern Louisiana that aref fruiting regularly with very minimal chill hours.

Some of my grafts
(http://s10.postimg.org/826hw6z6t/10688335_10205891966730427_930303448424269078_o.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/826hw6z6t/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on May 07, 2015, 10:26:47 PM
Yes, topworked trees of any kind need to be watched with hawk eyes, and need to be pruned, usually more than once a year, to make sure that the original tree doesn't produce water suckers and other vigorous growth--- otherwise, topwork grafts will be shaded over and starved out in rather short order.

Even normal low grafts can be subjected to similar circumstances--- when storms lean the tree sideways, or when pests or diseases or cold stress the top of the tree, suckers appear under the graft union, and usually grow vigorously.  If no one who knows what to do is looking, the grafts' tops cease to exist or at least become of little use.

I often find Citrus trees in such conditons in my new customers' yards.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 07, 2015, 11:31:46 PM
Here's a photo of an asimina triloba x asimina obovata cross getting ready to bloom.


(http://s28.postimg.org/unpmm8ppl/IMG_20150507_132017_882.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/unpmm8ppl/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on May 08, 2015, 05:23:58 PM
Kentucky State advocates chip budding for pawpaw...I have never grafted anything in my life so not sure how much that's worth.

Ed - question for you....what kind of conditions do you keep your < 2 year-old seedlings in? I am particularly interested in how to shade them properly.
Last summer I kept my new seedlings under just some black cotton fabric and in a location that only received 1-2 hours direct sun on top of that. They seemed happy I guess.
I overwintered them in the house and they have of course leafed-out now, but they don't seem to be super-duper happy. They are in a bedroom that receives a decent amount of filtered afternoon sunlight, but these seedlings are only exposed to whats reflecting off the walls.

What do you suggest as the optimal shade material, etc?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 08, 2015, 05:39:56 PM
Yes pawpaws are very easy to chip bud. I just prefer using the whip or cleft graft.

I recommend you plant them in their permanent location and put wire cages around them wrapped in shade cloth. About 2 to 3 feet tall cages and let them grow out of the shaded environment on their own . Also with the cage you can temporarily place a piece of fabric over the top till they adjust to their new environment.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on May 08, 2015, 06:11:52 PM
Yes pawpaws are very easy to chip bud. I just prefer using the whip or cleft graft.

I recommend you plant them in their permanent location and put wire cages around them wrapped in shade cloth. About 2 to 3 feet tall cages and let them grow out of the shaded environment on their own . Also with the cage you can temporarily place a piece of fabric over the top till they adjust to their new environment.

Thanks! Stupid question, but is all shade cloth created equal? I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for.

Also not sure if I want to hold off and attempt to graft some of them. They are only maybe 4 mm thick at the thickest point of the base and maybe 10 inches tall max. Doesn't seem like they're ready to graft yet.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 27, 2015, 02:04:03 AM
I would get at least a 50% to 60%

Here's some 4 inch tall seedlings that I grafted.
(http://s30.postimg.org/tkg7sl1y5/IMG_20150525_125609_429.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/tkg7sl1y5/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 27, 2015, 02:06:17 AM
Ballpoint pen for size comparison.
I would get at least a 50% to 60%

Here's some 4 inch tall seedlings that I grafted.
([url]http://s30.postimg.org/tkg7sl1y5/IMG_20150525_125609_429.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/tkg7sl1y5/[/url])



(http://s10.postimg.org/44yw5fmb9/IMG_20150525_125646_038.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/44yw5fmb9/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on May 27, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
These grafts really grow fast. I grafted mine a few months ago and when I went to unwrap the tape they were already almost girdled. Now all of my grafts look like mushrooms from the tape constricting the growth.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 27, 2015, 02:44:25 PM
I find pawpaws one of the easiest plants to graft!

Ballpoint pen for size comparison.
I would get at least a 50% to 60%

Here's some 4 inch tall seedlings that I grafted.
([url]http://s30.postimg.org/tkg7sl1y5/IMG_20150525_125609_429.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/tkg7sl1y5/[/url])



([url]http://s10.postimg.org/44yw5fmb9/IMG_20150525_125646_038.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/44yw5fmb9/[/url])
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on May 29, 2015, 07:00:51 PM
I find pawpaws one of the easiest plants to graft!

Ballpoint pen for size comparison.
I would get at least a 50% to 60%

Here's some 4 inch tall seedlings that I grafted.
([url]http://s30.postimg.org/tkg7sl1y5/IMG_20150525_125609_429.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/tkg7sl1y5/[/url])


Definitely. So far they seem even easier than apples. The only thing I have found that is easier is jujubes.


([url]http://s10.postimg.org/44yw5fmb9/IMG_20150525_125646_038.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/44yw5fmb9/[/url])

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 29, 2015, 07:49:31 PM
i think i chose the perfect spots to plant the pawpaws at my house.

they haven't needed to be watered at all, and this has been one of the craziest, hottest months I can remember....like zero rain for the month of may, and consistent temps above 90F.

here is one of the collins pawpaws i recently got from just fruits and exotics...has flowers coming too.


(http://s24.postimg.org/z544kc9ox/IMG_1964.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/z544kc9ox/)

(http://s24.postimg.org/yuwm0zv2p/IMG_1965.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/yuwm0zv2p/)

(http://s24.postimg.org/sfxl4bocx/IMG_1966.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/sfxl4bocx/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on May 29, 2015, 08:36:01 PM
Nice!

Is it Asimina triloba or Asimina parviflora?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 29, 2015, 08:53:28 PM
Nice!

Is it Asimina triloba or Asimina parviflora?

its one of 'em trilobed types I hear!

an official poor man's banana!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on June 06, 2015, 03:41:43 PM
I'm afraid my little pawpaw seedlings aren't too happy. I have half-neglected them, so I can't say I'm too surprised.

I have kept them watered and fertilized occasionally with DynaGro Grow. They are in a Pro-Mix type of medium, in soda bottles that are about 8-10 inches tall.
They germinated about a year ago. They grew great last summer in very shady conditions. I kept them indoors after they went dormant last winter, and they started leafing out a couple months ago.
Since then I have had them outside under a black cotton twill "tent" which I am realizing is extremely dark/shady.
The leaves are rather pale and some of them are curling (see pictures).

I'm thinking they need more light (but not full sun, they are just a year old as explained above). Does that sound right
?
they haven't grown hardly at all in the last 6 weeks. Also, thought it was odd that they emerged from buds on the side, not the tip...


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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bob407 on June 06, 2015, 05:14:24 PM
Has the soil dried out a little?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on June 06, 2015, 05:47:02 PM
Has the soil dried out a little?

No, soil seems adequately hydrated:s
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on June 06, 2015, 07:28:05 PM
In heated green houses with grow lights, 3-gallon containers and lots of fertilizer and water, Pawpaws don't go dormant and can be over 5-feet tall in one year.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 06, 2015, 09:30:53 PM
In heated green houses with grow lights, 3-gallon containers and lots of fertilizer and water, Pawpaws don't go dormant and can be over 5-feet tall in one year.

thanks for the inspirational quote...

i've got a few seedlings from a tree that's supposedly very nice for eating...Bob407 gave it to me after his pawpaw hunting expedition in the TN area.

i'm going to keep them in the GH to give them a jump start.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on June 25, 2015, 12:27:37 AM
Wow, haven't been over here in temperate section for a while Nice information Ed, I grow a few varieties of a.triloba wells,sweet alice , sunflower and small Peterson variety. I've never seen ripe fruit of other asimina cultivars a. parviflora, a.pygmaea are the fruit of these cultivars as big as triloba? Great thread ;) 8)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on September 18, 2015, 09:56:07 AM
Just to say hello to my "new" friends...
I thought all my small pawpaws (seeds from USA) died this summer/autumn, but now they started to sprout into the greenhouse, and I took them out because it's getting very hot there! From 20 seeds, now I have just 3 living trees... they are similar to jaboticabas, very weak at the start, dont like sun and dry climate...
Today I sow many seeds from Czechoslovakia and USA, I hope they will sprout in the next months... they were into the fridge (and maybe they are not viable, as they lack humidity into the ziploc bag...)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on September 18, 2015, 09:58:48 AM
Just to say hello to my "new" friends...
I thought all my small pawpaws (seeds from USA) died this summer/autumn, but now they started to sprout into the greenhouse, and I took them out because it's getting very hot there! From 20 seeds, now I have just 3 living trees... they are similar to jaboticabas, very weak at the start, dont like sun and dry climate...
Today I sow many seeds from Czechoslovakia and USA, I hope they will sprout in the next months... they were into the fridge (and maybe they are not viable, as they lack humidity into the ziploc bag...)

congrats on growing this species, I really hope you are the first in your area to get them to fruit.

seedlings like shade until they are about 5-6ft tall

definitely can be killed by overheating as well.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on September 18, 2015, 11:48:23 AM
Just to say hello to my "new" friends...
I thought all my small pawpaws (seeds from USA) died this summer/autumn, but now they started to sprout into the greenhouse, and I took them out because it's getting very hot there! From 20 seeds, now I have just 3 living trees... they are similar to jaboticabas, very weak at the start, dont like sun and dry climate...
Today I sow many seeds from Czechoslovakia and USA, I hope they will sprout in the next months... they were into the fridge (and maybe they are not viable, as they lack humidity into the ziploc bag...)

Awesome! are these from the seeds I sent you a long while ago?

I am planning to move my seedlings to full sun once they're about 18 inches tall.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on September 20, 2015, 10:35:41 PM
Just to say hello to my "new" friends...
I thought all my small pawpaws (seeds from USA) died this summer/autumn, but now they started to sprout into the greenhouse, and I took them out because it's getting very hot there! From 20 seeds, now I have just 3 living trees... they are similar to jaboticabas, very weak at the start, dont like sun and dry climate...
Today I sow many seeds from Czechoslovakia and USA, I hope they will sprout in the next months... they were into the fridge (and maybe they are not viable, as they lack humidity into the ziploc bag...)

Awesome! are these from the seeds I sent you a long while ago?

I am planning to move my seedlings to full sun once they're about 18 inches tall.

yes! I am happy to read you :-D

Some of them are in the greenhouse of the foodforest, I will ask my friend for them, I hope they are alive
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 09, 2015, 09:41:36 PM
Update on some of the grafted paw paws I planted

The Collins paw paw has flower buds holding on, but they seem to defoliate during fall, after the heat of summer.

The Gainesville paw paw held all its leaves.

Praying that I get some fruit eventually...but I'm happy to have them as ornamentals if they don't produce
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: googer on February 02, 2016, 01:13:36 AM
Well, stratification of my 35 wild-collected pawpaw seeds finished this weekend. I've soaked them in water at ~75 F for 24 hours and now I've put them in a container on a heat mat set to keep them at 75 F.

My understanding is that the seeds take a long time to germinate. My concern is that such a long period of time could allow mold to set in. Therefore, I've opted to use sphagnum moss as a germinating medium because of its antimicrobial properties. Once the seeds sprout, I will transfer them to tall containers filled with potting soil. Anyone know of any reason using sphagnum to germinate the seeds could be a bad idea?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: vlan1 on March 08, 2016, 10:37:10 AM
I was looking to add 1-2 Paw Paws to my budding collection of fruit trees and was dead sure on getting Peterson Varieties.  However I keep seeing a "newer" variety listed some places online that was released by KSU called "Atwood".  There doesn't seem to be much out there in terms of reviews and searches on here returned zilch.  Was just wondering if anyone would have some insight on this particular cultivar and would it be worth getting instead of a Peterson tree, or Pairing with a Peterson tree.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 09, 2016, 10:13:05 AM
I was looking to add 1-2 Paw Paws to my budding collection of fruit trees and was dead sure on getting Peterson Varieties.  However I keep seeing a "newer" variety listed some places online that was released by KSU called "Atwood".  There doesn't seem to be much out there in terms of reviews and searches on here returned zilch.  Was just wondering if anyone would have some insight on this particular cultivar and would it be worth getting instead of a Peterson tree, or Pairing with a Peterson tree.

I probably ate one 2 years ago at KSU but I don't remember anything about it LOL

yeah I've not heard anyone here mention they're growing it. I'm sure it's decent but in my mind the Petersons are still regarded as primo. (Just basing that on prevailing perception, not personal experience)

PS. KSU is on the cusp of introducing a new variety apparently
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: vlan1 on March 09, 2016, 11:03:02 AM


yeah I've not heard anyone here mention they're growing it. I'm sure it's decent but in my mind the Petersons are still regarded as primo. (Just basing that on prevailing perception, not personal experience)

PS. KSU is on the cusp of introducing a new variety apparently

Any linked info on this soon to be new KSU variety? or just word of mouth?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 09, 2016, 11:06:13 AM


yeah I've not heard anyone here mention they're growing it. I'm sure it's decent but in my mind the Petersons are still regarded as primo. (Just basing that on prevailing perception, not personal experience)

PS. KSU is on the cusp of introducing a new variety apparently


Any linked info on this soon to be new KSU variety? or just word of mouth?


http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/Fourth%20International%20Pawpaw%20Conference.htm (http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/Fourth%20International%20Pawpaw%20Conference.htm)    :D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: googer on March 10, 2016, 10:32:09 AM
Unfortunately, the seeds I so diligently stratified have not germinated at all after a generous six weeks. I've got another batch coming out of stratification in a few days, but because they froze during shipping/sitting in the mailbox one night, I don't have high hopes for them either.As such, I've just about given up on the stratification project.

I broke down a few days ago and bought some bare-root whips online for a very reasonable price. Lets hope I have better luck with these. I'll also be keeping an eye out for flowers on local specimens around early April to see if I can pollinate a few more fruits this year with the hopes of harvesting seeds to distribute to prospective growers overseas.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 10, 2016, 11:10:14 AM
Unfortunately, the seeds I so diligently stratified have not germinated at all after a generous six weeks. I've got another batch coming out of stratification in a few days, but because they froze during shipping/sitting in the mailbox one night, I don't have high hopes for them either.As such, I've just about given up on the stratification project.

I broke down a few days ago and bought some bare-root whips online for a very reasonable price. Lets hope I have better luck with these. I'll also be keeping an eye out for flowers on local specimens around early April to see if I can pollinate a few more fruits this year with the hopes of harvesting seeds to distribute to prospective growers overseas.

I wouldn't give up yet - it can take 2-3 months for shoot to appear, as the plant spends a ton of time dropping a tap root. Especially if your pot is deep.

Ohhh but you didn't sow in deep pots, did you? Hmmm I think some have tried germinating in flats first but my understanding (and what I've done with 100% success rate) is the best method is to plant singly in a deep and narrow pot, such as a "tree pot" or homemade version thereof (PVC, soda bottles, socks)

P. S. For all the asiminaholics out there - there's a relatively new book out by Andrew Moore called Pawpaw. I just got my library to buy it and just started it. Looks to be a great read.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 10, 2016, 11:19:18 AM
I could probably send u a few seeds too if you want to try in deep pots. I have several cozily stratifying and ready to plant.  PM if u want.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: googer on March 14, 2016, 09:17:31 PM
I really appreciate the offer, Triloba. Between the whips I just planted over the weekend, the seeds I just started, and the old ones, I should have my hands full this growing season.

I'll have to check out Moore's book, btw.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: googer on March 19, 2016, 01:11:35 PM
Once again, I've put too little faith in these seeds.

I checked my first batch of pawpaw seeds that came out of stratification back in January this morning. To my extreme surprise and satisfaction, I found a little white taproot showing through the container! I immediately dug the little guy out of the sphagnum and gave him a new home in a nice, deep container full of mycorhizae-inoculated potting mix. I can't believe how long these guys take just to germinate; it's been nearly 50 days since these guys finished stratifying and right after I ordered and planted year-old whips, of course.

Anyway, I'm chalking this experiment as a success. With any luck he'll be ready to plant around late May. In the meantime, I'll be watching carefully for germination from the pecans or other ~50 pawpaws. Here's hoping this seed is the first of many to sprout.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 13, 2017, 03:25:57 PM
Today i saw that my two pawpaw trees have flower buds for the first time! I'm very excited and i will hand pollinate them. They are of Sunflower variety... will try to post pics later.  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 14, 2017, 04:57:12 PM
Today i saw that my two pawpaw trees have flower buds for the first time! I'm very excited and i will hand pollinate them. They are of Sunflower variety... will try to post pics later.  ;D

Awesome! How old are the trees?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 15, 2017, 10:36:18 AM
Today i saw that my two pawpaw trees have flower buds for the first time! I'm very excited and i will hand pollinate them. They are of Sunflower variety... will try to post pics later.  ;D

Awesome! How old are the trees?
I buy them 3 or 4 years ago but they were small.  :) I'm soo happy! I will buy more varieties grafted trees... very excited!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 15, 2017, 10:51:38 AM
With Luis giving us an update, I thought I would do the same.
I have 7 one-year-old seedlings that I've just brought out of winter storage in a friend's basement. They range from 9 inches tall to 20 inches. Seeds were from wild fruit. They are pretty thin - not even pencil thickness except maybe at the base of the tallest plant.
Not sure what i'm going to do with these. I may plant some in the ground soon or I may keep them in pots another year until they get grafting size.
My primary focus now is nurturing 72 seeds I planted at the end of January. I have 72 Treepots (14 inch deep) each planted with one seed.
Seeds are a mix of wild seed and seeds from named varieties like Susquehanna, Sweet Alice, Wabash, Sunflower, and the new KSU release Benson. I have some seeds that are just about to send up shoots. In the deep pots I think they take a bit longer while the taproot gets to the bottom. I plan to plant these in the spring of 2018 on my property. Trying to finally get my own mini-orchard! I am more excited by the roulette of seedlings than by buying or grafting named varieties.
I had some issues with the potting mix drying out and have lost some seeds. I definitely would make some changes to my setup if I did this again.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Citradia on March 16, 2017, 08:54:45 PM
My favorite paw paw is Rebecca's Gold. It's a big yellow fruit and very yummy, maturing a few weeks before the native variety which is about half the size overall but almost just as good. I've planted seeds in 5 gallon pots that I leave outside under the shade of an old wisteria vine arbor, and pretty much leave them to nature except for watering with hose when watering other stuff. They come up in summer and stay there in light shade for s few years until ready to plant out in the sun when about two feet high or better. Maintenance free fruit trees. Fabulous.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 17, 2017, 08:56:16 AM
My favorite paw paw is Rebecca's Gold. It's a big yellow fruit and very yummy, maturing a few weeks before the native variety which is about half the size overall but almost just as good. I've planted seeds in 5 gallon pots that I leave outside under the shade of an old wisteria vine arbor, and pretty much leave them to nature except for watering with hose when watering other stuff. They come up in summer and stay there in light shade for s few years until ready to plant out in the sun when about two feet high or better. Maintenance free fruit trees. Fabulous.
I like that approach! I am definitely a tinkerer/worrier/obsessive. I get antsy if I'm not doing something to the plants. Admitting it is the first step to recovery, right? :)
I am getting better at it.
I have heard of Rebecca's Gold but never tasted. Do you ever share scions?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 17, 2017, 10:32:36 AM
My favorite paw paw is Rebecca's Gold. It's a big yellow fruit and very yummy, maturing a few weeks before the native variety which is about half the size overall but almost just as good. I've planted seeds in 5 gallon pots that I leave outside under the shade of an old wisteria vine arbor, and pretty much leave them to nature except for watering with hose when watering other stuff. They come up in summer and stay there in light shade for s few years until ready to plant out in the sun when about two feet high or better. Maintenance free fruit trees. Fabulous.
That's interesting. I read somewere that variety was not so good. Of course i understand that the same variety can give great fruit on one variety and poor ones on other location. 
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 17, 2017, 10:34:03 AM
By the way what varieties consistently are the best ones? Thank's!  :)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 17, 2017, 01:58:05 PM
A lot of varieties here: http://exoticsouth.ru/208c.Azimina.htm (http://exoticsouth.ru/208c.Azimina.htm)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 17, 2017, 04:24:37 PM
And more here: http://www.pepinieredubosc.fr/asiminiers/ (http://www.pepinieredubosc.fr/asiminiers/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Citradia on March 17, 2017, 07:43:58 PM
Triloba tracker, I've never shared scions or tried propogation other than planting seeds. I'm hoping to try grafting some trifoliata hybrids onto some trifoliata seedlings in the future. Other than that, I figure my native paw paws and mountain ash and native crabapples will do just fine the natural way by seeds. Cheap and easy that way too.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 17, 2017, 08:17:20 PM
By the way what varieties consistently are the best ones? Thank's!  :)


The patented varieties from Neal Peterson are generally/widely regarded as superior. Neal says his Susquehanna selection is his favorite. I have had some of these fruits and I have to say they are pretty amazing. Firm texture, low seed:flesh ratio, very smooth and intriguing flavor. A Susquehanna won Best Pawpaw at the 2016 International Pawpaw Conference. (you can also check the ohio pawpaw festival for their list of past winners.) www.petersonpawpaws.com (http://www.petersonpawpaws.com)

Overleese is an old classic that has also won contests. Sunflower is popular. I've heard bad things about Wilson. KSU Atwood was a favorite at the International Conference.

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 18, 2017, 07:06:43 AM
By the way what varieties consistently are the best ones? Thank's!  :)


The patented varieties from Neal Peterson are generally/widely regarded as superior. Neal says his Susquehanna selection is his favorite. I have had some of these fruits and I have to say they are pretty amazing. Firm texture, low seed:flesh ratio, very smooth and intriguing flavor. A Susquehanna won Best Pawpaw at the 2016 International Pawpaw Conference. (you can also check the ohio pawpaw festival for their list of past winners.) [url=http://www.petersonpawpaws.com]www.petersonpawpaws.com[/url] ([url]http://www.petersonpawpaws.com[/url])

Overleese is an old classic that has also won contests. Sunflower is popular. I've heard bad things about Wilson. KSU Atwood was a favorite at the International Conference.
Thank's a lot for your reply! And do you know anything about Prima, Mango and Georgia varieties? Thank's!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 18, 2017, 09:11:53 AM
Thank's a lot for your reply! And do you know anything about Prima, Mango and Georgia varieties? Thank's!
Don't know a lot, unfortunately.
Prima I believe was a variety selected/bred in Italy (?) Could be way off. I do think it's a European variety at least. Don't know anything about its quality.
Mango is one you see a fair amount of here in the US. That doesn't necessarily mean it's good though :) I think it's probably at least average or above average.
I have never heard of Georgia. There were several varieties on one of the websites you posted that I have never heard of  :o

I know there are many other folks hiding here on the forum who are more experienced with named cultivars than I am :)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 18, 2017, 10:07:39 AM
Thank's!  :)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 19, 2017, 12:05:28 PM
Sunflower Pawpaw trees starting to flower for first time


(https://s3.postimg.org/a57yax273/IMG_20170319_122655.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/a57yax273/)



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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: shaneatwell on April 11, 2017, 09:09:19 PM
I found my dwarf pawpaw. Anyone know what age growth flowers form on? Like new growth vs year old, etc?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 11, 2017, 10:08:36 PM
I found my dwarf pawpaw. Anyone know what age growth flowers form on? Like new growth vs year old, etc?

From my experience with wild trees, flowers form on old wood, not new growth.
Im sure someone more experienced with their own trees can confirm.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on April 15, 2017, 11:39:02 AM
My first paw flowers


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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: sildanani on June 24, 2017, 07:52:36 PM
Just purchased a Asimina seedling from a local nursery. ;D It was a surprise that they had them since they mainly carry hybrid flowers. :o I'm unsure of the age. I guess around a year from seed?
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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: eyeckr on June 26, 2017, 10:42:19 AM
Yes that looks to be about a year old seedling. Here's a couple of seedlings that came up for me about a month ago:

(https://s9.postimg.org/a390b2xa3/pawpaw_seedlings.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/a390b2xa3/)

I'm having a good year so far with my pawpaw trees.  I had tons of blooms that I hand pollinated and got a decent fruit set. My KSU Atwood seems to have the largest and most fruit.



(https://s1.postimg.org/698rg7p3f/pawpaw_fruit.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/698rg7p3f/)



(https://s1.postimg.org/xi14o99nf/pawpaw_cluster.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/xi14o99nf/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on June 27, 2017, 04:52:31 AM
Congratulations! They are very good looking!  :P
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: sildanani on June 28, 2017, 05:34:50 AM
Yes that looks to be about a year old seedling. Here's a couple of seedlings that came up for me about a month ago:

(https://s9.postimg.org/a390b2xa3/pawpaw_seedlings.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/a390b2xa3/)

I'm having a good year so far with my pawpaw trees.  I had tons of blooms that I hand pollinated and got a decent fruit set. My KSU Atwood seems to have the largest and most fruit.



(https://s1.postimg.org/698rg7p3f/pawpaw_fruit.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/698rg7p3f/)



(https://s1.postimg.org/xi14o99nf/pawpaw_cluster.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/xi14o99nf/)
Very nice! I may try to grow from seed as well. I can't believe I live in Ohio where they grow and I've never tried to grow them or eat them. Same goes for maypop. I've gotta go to the pawpaw festival up in Albany, Ohio sometime. ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: eyeckr on June 29, 2017, 09:21:20 AM
Thanks! This is the first year for fruit set on my KSU Atwood so I'm pretty excited to finally be able to taste it later this year. I just have to make sure no critters get to the fruit before I do. Last year I built little cages around my Potomac fruit to protect them from squirrels which were very effective but cumbersome. This year I'm going to try heavy duty aluminum screening to wrap around the fruits. I do have a few traps around the yard also. I'll be sure to post updates.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 09, 2017, 01:10:26 PM
Hello everyone! I already have two sunflower, 1 prima, and two small wabash. I have 3 more spaces and i'm thinking on mango, overleese and NC1. I'm choosing on big fruit, few seeds and great flavour with no bad aftertaste. Any sugestions? Good choice? Thank's!  ;)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 09, 2017, 05:35:23 PM
Hello everyone! I already have two sunflower, 1 prima, and two small wabash. I have 3 more spaces and i'm thinking on mango, overleese and NC1. I'm choosing on big fruit, few seeds and great flavour with no bad aftertaste. Any sugestions? Good choice? Thank's!  ;)
And now i found belle, lady d, convis and sibley varieties...  Totally confused!  ???
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 10, 2017, 12:39:55 PM
Hello everyone! I already have two sunflower, 1 prima, and two small wabash. I have 3 more spaces and i'm thinking on mango, overleese and NC1. I'm choosing on big fruit, few seeds and great flavour with no bad aftertaste. Any sugestions? Good choice? Thank's!  ;)
And now i found belle, lady d, convis and sibley varieties...  Totally confused!  ???

Hmm i've never heard of Belle, Lady D, or Sibley. Where are you seeing those? Do they offer any information about them?

Of the first 3 you mentioned, if it were me, I would choose Overleese. I believe it is in the lineage of many of Neal Peterson's patented varieties, which are considered the best. I believe Overleese has won best pawpaw at Ohio Pawpaw Festival at least once.
That being said, I believe NC-1 and Mango are respectable varieties too.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 10, 2017, 12:41:39 PM
Thanks! This is the first year for fruit set on my KSU Atwood so I'm pretty excited to finally be able to taste it later this year. I just have to make sure no critters get to the fruit before I do. Last year I built little cages around my Potomac fruit to protect them from squirrels which were very effective but cumbersome. This year I'm going to try heavy duty aluminum screening to wrap around the fruits. I do have a few traps around the yard also. I'll be sure to post updates.
Do you have pictures or can you describe the cages you built in the past? And/or if you have updates on your attempts with aluminum screening.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on July 10, 2017, 01:01:11 PM
I believe the Sibley variety is from central or southern Louisiana, and therefore described as having lower chill-hour requirements than most others.

I haven't heard of any experimental demonstration of actual differences in chill-hour requirements among varieties of Pawpaw.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 10, 2017, 02:03:37 PM
I believe the Sibley variety is from central or southern Louisiana, and therefore described as having lower chill-hour requirements than most others.

I haven't heard of any experimental demonstration of actual differences in chill-hour requirements among varieties of Pawpaw.
There are so many varieties that is very confusing to choose...  ;) There are descriptions here: http://www.growables.org/information/TropicalFruit/pawpawvarieties.htm (http://www.growables.org/information/TropicalFruit/pawpawvarieties.htm)
 
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 11, 2017, 06:25:49 AM
Rare paw paw varieties on Europe: http://www.kwekerijdezoetewei.be/Fruit_pawpaw.php (http://www.kwekerijdezoetewei.be/Fruit_pawpaw.php)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 11, 2017, 09:50:56 AM
By the way, for how long a paw paw tree can produce properly? Thank's!  :)

Edit: I think i will choose the following pawpaw var to have: Wabash, Sunflower, Prima 1216, Mango, Green river Belle and Susquehanna. Any comments? Thank's!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 11, 2017, 07:02:05 PM
Great article: http://www.fruitiers-rares.info/articles45a50/article48-Asiminier-Asimina-triloba-Pawpaw.html (http://www.fruitiers-rares.info/articles45a50/article48-Asiminier-Asimina-triloba-Pawpaw.html)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: eyeckr on July 11, 2017, 09:52:32 PM
Luisport getting pawpaws to grow, get established and fruit has taken me much longer than other fruit trees. In the process of trying to get my trees going I've lost a lot of large barerooted orders of grafted pawpaws. They just hate having their roots disturbed and don't take transplanting well. I've had better luck with planting pawpaw seedlings in the ground and later grafting them over when they are large enough and established.  My best tree so far has been my KSU Atwood that is taking off and setting a lot of fruit after 4 years in the ground. My Potomac is doing well and took about 5 years to fruit. I have a large Rappahannock and Prima that are still taking their time fruiting after being in the ground for maybe 7 or 8 years? I have a Mango pawpaw that I've had longer than that which is supposed to be vigorous. It was was doing pretty well but I had to dig it up and relocate it in the yard 3 years ago. That almost totally killed it but it is now finally making its way back and fruiting. I almost ordered a Green River Belle this spring but decided to try for the third time to get a Susquehanna pawpaw established in my yard. I considered Sunflower at one point but kept hearing about the bitter aftertaste it sometimes has so I passed on that variety. The other ones you chose sound good.  Hopefully you'll have better luck than me getting your pawpaws growing.

Triloba Tracker here is a picture of one of the cages I built around some fruit. It's hard to tell but it does have a top that can close and completely enclosed and protect the fruit. It is a little overkill so I am going to use the heavy duty aluminum screening to make protective fruit sacks like people use for some of their tropical mango fruit.

(https://s23.postimg.org/z6qg3u53r/pawpaw_cage.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/z6qg3u53r/)



(https://s17.postimg.org/fnkdx5zvv/pawpaw_screen.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/fnkdx5zvv/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 12, 2017, 05:33:59 AM
Hi eyeckr! Thank's a lot for share your experience. That's good to know they don't like to be transplanted. I will try to choose the best place for them. I'm dying to eat one paw paw fruit and i hope i will have fruit from my two sunflower trees. This year they got flowers for the first time but they falled. I'm totaly obcessed by paw paws they really seams a must to have!  :P
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 12, 2017, 09:46:24 AM
I'm totaly obcessed by paw paws they really seams a must to have!  :P

Love it! You sound like me. I'm nuts about them too, but not just because of the experience of eating them.
As obsessed as I am, ironically pawpaw is not my favorite fruit for eating. Maybe not even in my top 5.
For me it's a bigger thing, like the fact that it's native to North America, grows wild right here in my "backyard," the history of it, even just the appearance of the trees. Also I'm drawn to the potential that seems to exist in the fruit - knowing that there's room for more improvement and selection I guess.
Your situation reminds me of myself when i first got excited about pawpaws. It was a while until I actually was able to taste one!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 12, 2017, 11:22:07 AM
I'm totaly obcessed by paw paws they really seams a must to have!  :P

Love it! You sound like me. I'm nuts about them too, but not just because of the experience of eating them.
As obsessed as I am, ironically pawpaw is not my favorite fruit for eating. Maybe not even in my top 5.
For me it's a bigger thing, like the fact that it's native to North America, grows wild right here in my "backyard," the history of it, even just the appearance of the trees. Also I'm drawn to the potential that seems to exist in the fruit - knowing that there's room for more improvement and selection I guess.
Your situation reminds me of myself when i first got excited about pawpaws. It was a while until I actually was able to taste one!
Hi! Thank you for your words. I don't know regarding the flavour, but i already have a big sunflower paw paw tree and it's the most beautifull tree i have, and i have a lot! I imagine when it get fruits...  :P
By the way, how much years one paw paw tree can give fruits?
Another thing, my final paw paw list is besides the ones i already have: sunflower, prima and wabash, is to get overleese, mango, susquehanna, sibley, halvin, tollgate, and belle.  ;D Totaly adicted!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 12, 2017, 12:57:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=d8CKs5S74v8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=d8CKs5S74v8)

Paw Paw- The Strongest Anti-Cancer Plant?
As if those aren’t enough, Paw Paw bark may be of the strongest anti-cancer substances out there, sharing similar traits to the now-famous, exotic South American Graviola tree leaves and twigs (the tree that produces the Soursop fruit). In fact, a large-scale Purdue University study found that it had the strongest anti-cancer abilities of any such fruit/plant on the North and South American continents, even more than soursop/graviola in vitro.
 

Two studies published in 1997 by a Purdue University researcher Dr. Jerry McLaughlin, who has published more than 330 scientific papers and secured several patents for his work, and a doctoral student, and found that compounds in the bark of the tree showed preliminary success in fighting against drug-resistant cancers.

“The Paw Paw compounds are not only effective in killing tumors that have proven resistant to anti-cancer agents, but they also seem to have a special affinity for such resistant cells,” an article on the Purdue News website noted.

Over 40 anti-cancer compounds were found in Paw Paw bark, although McLaughlin noted that cancer cells are very complex and difficult to kill in humans. A follow-up study was undertaken, but not enough has been done as of yet to determine the ultimate effects in humans.
http://althealthworks.com/1134/the-health-benefits-of-paw-paw-vitamins-minerals-and-possible-anti-cancer-effects/ (http://althealthworks.com/1134/the-health-benefits-of-paw-paw-vitamins-minerals-and-possible-anti-cancer-effects/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 12, 2017, 02:16:39 PM
i'm not sure...see if you can find anything on pawpaw.ksu.edu, but i might say between 10-15 years production once it starts fruiting?

I have heard commercial orchard operators talk about decline after 15 years or so. I have also heard a story about a "huge, old" pawpaw tree that used to fruit but no longer does.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 12, 2017, 02:19:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Sj49BE55s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Sj49BE55s)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 17, 2017, 07:19:35 PM
Here are my babies.....planted on January 30. A couple in the back are 2nd year seedlings. They are in the 14 inch Treepots, to give you an idea of their size.

(https://s3.postimg.org/6c1ynprz3/IMG_8856.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6c1ynprz3/)

(https://s3.postimg.org/6q3anbc2n/IMG_8857.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6q3anbc2n/)

Here are some pics of the area I am prepping to plant them next spring. about 750 square feet that was previously covered with privet and invasive bush honeysuckle.
after killing back all the nasty stuff, prepping the area via sheet mulching

(https://s11.postimg.org/8f4rbty1r/IMG_8804.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/8f4rbty1r/)

(https://s11.postimg.org/y1viiucgv/IMG_8806.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/y1viiucgv/)

(https://s11.postimg.org/i289ljr1b/IMG_8808.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/i289ljr1b/)

(https://s11.postimg.org/v53w4th9b/IMG_8858.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/v53w4th9b/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 18, 2017, 10:30:17 AM
Thank you for your pics. I'm very very enthusiastic about this fruit tree and the variability on flavour regarding this fruit. I'm shure that leaves and bark will be used on industry to make insecticids and anti-cancer drugs. Another thing i see that will expand is the comercialization of freezed pulp, ice cream, jams, alcoolic beverages like paw paw beer... The possibilities of this tree is amazing!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: eyeckr on July 18, 2017, 01:42:50 PM
Thanks for sharing the pictures. With all that hard work your pawpaw grove will do great. Your seedlings look very healthy and will be ready for grafting in no time.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 20, 2017, 09:50:02 AM
A paw paw fruit farm in Switzerland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPGmo-paawc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPGmo-paawc)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 21, 2017, 05:54:49 AM
I'm on the way to get one potomac paw paw tree!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 21, 2017, 09:51:55 AM
I'm on the way to get one potomac paw paw tree!  ;D
By the way, anyone tryed or have potomac pawpaw?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 21, 2017, 11:04:36 AM
Great pawpaw ebook: https://books.google.pt/books?id=Nt41CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA260&lpg=PA260&dq=potomac+pawpaw+fruit&source=bl&ots=WGxGbakcdY&sig=FRGx1YGdwy9qIA9HPUg8usa3rhA&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKqKG0yprVAhXG7xQKHSwrBbQ4ChDoAQggMAA#v=onepage&q=potomac%20pawpaw%20fruit&f=false
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on August 23, 2017, 11:13:09 AM
Just got two more trees: Susquehanna and Shenandoah! Collection is growing fast!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: maesy on November 15, 2017, 11:18:43 AM
Hi everyone

I have just registred today on this forum.

Thanks Luis, I've been reading here many times before especialy in the hardy citrus board.

Back to the topic, according to the link of the asimina farm in Switzerland, I have heard of such farms here, but this paticular one is in south tyrol, which is a german speaking province of northern italy at the austrian border.

I myself have two trees in my garden. A sunflower and a overlese. Maybe 10-12 years old, and we love the fruits too.

Marcel
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on November 16, 2017, 09:25:56 AM
Hi everyone

I have just registred today on this forum.

Thanks Luis, I've been reading here many times before especialy in the hardy citrus board.

Back to the topic, according to the link of the asimina farm in Switzerland, I have heard of such farms here, but this paticular one is in south tyrol, which is a german speaking province of northern italy at the austrian border.

I myself have two trees in my garden. A sunflower and a overlese. Maybe 10-12 years old, and we love the fruits too.

Marcel

Welcome to the forum!! It’s great to have another pawpaw enthusiast here.

I’m curious - how did you first learn about asimina triloba?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 16, 2017, 03:03:52 PM
Hi everyone

I have just registred today on this forum.

Thanks Luis, I've been reading here many times before especialy in the hardy citrus board.

Back to the topic, according to the link of the asimina farm in Switzerland, I have heard of such farms here, but this paticular one is in south tyrol, which is a german speaking province of northern italy at the austrian border.

I myself have two trees in my garden. A sunflower and a overlese. Maybe 10-12 years old, and we love the fruits too.

Marcel
That's great you register here! This forum is the best and you will learn a lot!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: maesy on November 18, 2017, 05:31:43 PM
For the first time I have read about paw paws in german forums maybe at least 10 years ago.
At that time, I could not find a supplier here in Switzerland. After searching hard, I found a nursary in eastern austria from where I could order two plants.

My country is not big, therefore many of my plants come from many different countries.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bush2Beach on November 18, 2017, 08:14:12 PM
Triloba Tracker, Nice work on the grove , and the potted plants look really healthy. Please keep us updated as your project progresses.

I have about 7 paw paw seedlings of different seedling varieties and 100 seeds stratifying in the fridge for spring. The fruits are really tasty!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on November 20, 2017, 10:13:20 PM
Thanks, Bush!
Here’s hoping they make it through the winter. I m keeping them in the pots over winter and planting in spring. That had always been my plan but briefly considered planting this fall. Several folks said to plant in fall but more and more authoritative ( if that’s possible) people said spring gives highest degree of success.
Can’t remember if I mentioned that I’m adding 5 grafted trees: Atwood, Benson, Shenandoah, Maria’s Joy, and Lehman’s Chiffon. Probably going to save a spot or two for selected seedlings of Overleese, Jerry’s Big Girl, Al Horn, or Summer Delight which I plan to start in February.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 21, 2017, 09:09:42 AM
Thanks, Bush!
Here’s hoping they make it through the winter. I m keeping them in the pots over winter and planting in spring. That had always been my plan but briefly considered planting this fall. Several folks said to plant in fall but more and more authoritative ( if that’s possible) people said spring gives highest degree of success.
Can’t remember if I mentioned that I’m adding 5 grafted trees: Atwood, Benson, Shenandoah, Maria’s Joy, and Lehman’s Chiffon. Probably going to save a spot or two for selected seedlings of Overleese, Jerry’s Big Girl, Al Horn, or Summer Delight which I plan to start in February.
That's great! Your pawpaw orchade is growing fast!  ;D