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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Will There Be Any Place Left To Grow Citrus
« on: September 21, 2017, 08:21:53 PM »
You are right Badfish. They replace trees in China/Asia where greening came from. No cure there either. A lot of backyard growers won't want to plant a tree that they know will be dead in 5 years though. Hopefully cure will be found sooner than later.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Spacing on flying dragon
« on: September 21, 2017, 08:15:21 PM »
I've seen FD planted at Biltmore House in Asheville, NC, in a big mass planting like a bed of azaleas, each plant/ bush about 4 ft tall and 4 or 5 ft spaced apart; one could still walk between the individual trees. They tend to be taller than wide, almost columnar.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: First and second year pawpaws
« on: September 21, 2017, 08:09:11 PM »
Even if you pull the grass and weeds from around the trees by hand and crunch up some fall leaves to make mulch around them in fall, you will get quicker growth and therefore less years to wait to get fruit. Yours trees won't bloom until over 5 or 6 feet tall.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Will There Be Any Place Left To Grow Citrus
« on: September 19, 2017, 07:58:14 PM »
Greenhouse culture in states where citrus can't survive the cold winters. It will be a novelty fruit and no longer used for juice commercially.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw Farm sugestions
« on: September 19, 2017, 07:53:57 PM »
Triloba Tracker, I don't know for sure if I planted my mail order trees in spring or fall, but I think it was Spring since the trees were small and not leafed out. The ones I grew from seed in pots myself, I may have planted in fall. I don't think it matters much. As long as you don't traumatize the roots much when you plant it, and water and mulch, the paw paw for me has been pretty easy to grow. In spring I like to put some compost around base of my trees and they seem to like that.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw Farm sugestions
« on: September 18, 2017, 10:15:57 AM »
I live on top of a mountain and my trees are on well drained black sandy soil on gentle slope growing under tall black walnut tree but get a good bit of full sun every day. I put rock berms around each tree and mulching when planted about 6 years ago. I had ordered 4 trees from Raintree Nursery with one I know is My Rebecca's Gold and I think one was "Prolific ", and the other two were just seedlings. I have planted a few more that I grew from wild local seed. They all seem to produce well, wether I hand pollinate or not. Each year I'll have one or two trees that seem to alternate bear which I think is due to varied flower maturation timing with male/female phases. Rebecca's Gold is softer  and yellower than my other greener and firmer fruited varieties, but I like its flavor and pudding-like texture more. Either way, I have to go check all fruits on all trees daily or I'll find some nice big fruits half mashed on ground from falling off trees. I'm currently making jam out of all paw paws I gather since I can't eat them fast enough before they go bad. The Prolific paw paw doesn't seem to be much different from other seedlings. All the trees look the same. Now that my trees are well established, I don't have to irrigate much unless we have bad drought.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: cold hardy Citrus for zone 7b?
« on: September 15, 2017, 08:16:48 PM »
Poncyrus trifoliate and its hybrids are better suited to clay soils than regular citrus which like sandier soils. Go to Mckenzie; Stan Mckenzie has/had copies of the book called "Hardy Citrus for the Southeast ", by Tom McClendon, for sale. You could also try Ben Salley out of Columbia SC, also sells citrus; he's who I got my Croxton from, and he lives across the street from the original Croxton. His business and site on Facebook is called "Simply Citrus". I don't know if you can take citrus into GA from SC though.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Key Lime uprooted, survival odds?
« on: September 13, 2017, 06:12:12 PM »
Trees are tuff. I'd try to save it.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Key Lime uprooted, survival odds?
« on: September 12, 2017, 08:37:45 PM »
Just rebury the exposed roots and water them well. Stake the tree to prevent from falling over again. What works for me when bears pull over apple trees is planting a 4x4 post in ground or several if needed around the tree, and strap the tree to the posts with a wide strap or belt to hold tree upright without cutting into bark. After s few years the posts may be removed if tree seems sturdy in ground again.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: cold hardy Citrus for zone 7b?
« on: September 12, 2017, 08:29:08 PM »
I have Croxton but I cover mine in winter and protect from severe freeze with space heater. Croxton comes from Columbia, SC which I believe is zone 8a and grows at Mckinzie Farms in Scranton, SC zone 8a, where it is protected with microsprinklers during freezing nights. I protect my grapefruit from freezing largely due to need to overwinter the fruit which takes over a year to mature in my climate. 7b you probably have hot summers so your grapefruit may be ripe enough to eat before the first hard freeze in your area. Croxton is real citrus; 7b I believe is a low of 5 degrees; I've lost citranges at 5 degrees and this past spring lost half of the height from citranges when it got down to only 14 degrees after they started waking up from a warmer winter/spring. You would have to protect Croxton or any other real citrus in 7b.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: cold hardy Citrus for zone 7b?
« on: September 10, 2017, 09:47:51 PM »
I have Dunstan citrumelo unprotected that have survived the past two years. I think they make a decent version of a sour grapefruit. Note: it is a novelty tree to grow in cold climate without winter protection, not a store-quality fruit. It is better, more ornamental and noteworthy with larger more impressive fruit and leaves than poncyrus trifoliata.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw Farm sugestions
« on: September 04, 2017, 09:16:03 PM »
I have several trees, some from wild, but my favorite is Rebecca's Gold, which is large yellow fruit and matures earlier than my other trees' Fruits. I used to hand pollinate but didn't the past two seasons and still get more pawpaws than I can deal with for fresh eating or making preserves before having to give them away before they go bad. Out of all my fruit trees, paw paw is the easiest to care for; bug, disease, pest free fruit trees.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Spots on Pear leaves
« on: August 29, 2017, 07:34:07 PM »
Pears are problematic with these black spots. I've had trouble with fire blight here in NC with apples and pears for years and have removed several pear trees because of it. I've learned to spray my trees religiously every spring with fire blight spray (when flowers and new growth starts )called agrimiacin. It's streptomycin for plants. I've read somewhere that pears tend to get two other leaf spot diseases that are not as devastating as fire blight, and I think yours and mine have this same spot disease. It doesn't seem to harm my trees much and they still produce well. Only thing I worry about with pears is fire blight. Try to do a good spraying regimen next year as new growth comes on in spring with an all purpose disease spray labeled for pear/ fruit trees. If your blooms turn black with pears, you got fire blight and must prune that branch a foot below site of infection and sanitize your pruners with bleach water solution after each cut, and spray tree with streptomycin every week during bloom.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Large spines on second growth
« on: August 29, 2017, 03:09:35 PM »
I think poncyrus is thorny forever no matter how old tree is. Fruiting poncyrus I've seen are large and thorny as all get out.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: citrus varieties in order of cold-hardiness
« on: August 27, 2017, 07:03:36 PM »
This is not a greenhouse per se but is my version of a"high tunnel " that other citrus growers use in cold-wintered areas of the southeastern USA. One closes doors on both ends of the tunnel during freezing weather and uses additional heat sources as needed, such as water barrels, to help modulate temperatures around the trees.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Asian Citrus Psyllid Survival
« on: August 24, 2017, 08:14:14 AM »
Has there been anymore talk about the Florida plantain weed and other rue family members that are vectors for infection? Are they going extinct too?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Asian Citrus Psyllid Survival
« on: August 24, 2017, 08:12:29 AM »
I read somewhere that in china they just replace trees as they die. No cure.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Cups Test To Begin At Lindcove
« on: August 23, 2017, 08:55:42 PM »
Since greening is a bacterial infection, maybe the scientists can come up with an antibiotic root drenching solution similar to the systemic insecticide Bayer  puts out for killing hemlock Woolley adelgids.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Asian Citrus Psyllid Survival
« on: August 23, 2017, 08:48:36 PM »
And, I think it only takes one infected psillid ( let's assume they're all infected) to infect and essentially doom your tree. The efforts to cover citrus to protect from psillids in warm climates makes me think about myself running around trying to cover and protect trees from cold in winter. Sounds like everybody is going to building some kind of framework around their citrus trees for one reason or another.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Apple trees
« on: August 16, 2017, 06:45:57 PM »
Different varieties bloom at different times, so need to plant varieties that are compatible. Consult your local extension agent to to see which varieties they recommend.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Tree wound paint ?
« on: August 14, 2017, 08:05:41 PM »
I used to use it all the time, but nowadays "they" say we shouldn't because it traps disease in the wound. One less thing for me to buy.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Apple trees
« on: August 14, 2017, 10:23:25 AM »
Since you're in FL, you probably already know this, but you need apples with low chill hour requirement such as Anna, Dorset Golden, or Einshimer. I don't graft either. Don't have time to experiment and wonder if will take. Easier to plant another tree. 

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Stone Mulch in Temperate Climate?
« on: August 11, 2017, 09:02:55 PM »
I would be concerned about fall leaves getting stuck between stones and having to pick leaves out by hand. I have a few stone-covered areas with corrugated pipe rain water drains to prevent erosion of the slope in front of my house. Fall leaves get stuck between stones and after doing leaf blower of rake, theee are still s lot of leaves in between stones and I try to pick them out. May not be as bad with round stones. The other thing is that organic matter will build upon and under stones even with landscaping paper under them and it is more difficult to remove stones for any kind of cultivation that may be needed in the future. I'm a fan of natural mulch that will break down into compost over time and is easily remove with rake or shovel, and easily disposed of.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Early August zone 7b fruit crops
« on: August 10, 2017, 06:49:47 PM »
I got my persimmon and paw paw recipes off internet. Haven't made the persimmon preserves since 2007; my grandma loved persimmon and I made her some preserves that year just before she passed away. The bears have been getting my persimmons the past few years. Knock on wood, the critters haven't been after the paw paws like they do everything else.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Early August zone 7b fruit crops
« on: August 08, 2017, 08:01:34 PM »
Yeah, I'd rather make jelly out of crabapple or peaches, or even wild persimmon preserves than try to mess with tiny fruits like tupelo or elder berries, or service berry; would be exhausting trying to pick enough. Oh, my paw paws make great preserves.

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