Edit Edit: Bad Garcinia madruno info, Other Good Info Though

[davidgarcia899]

http://zoom50.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/charichuelo-fruit-bumpy-lemon-garcinia-madruno/

Does anyone have a proven male and female  tree? I need some budwood

[FlyingFoxFruits]

that fruit they show looks like G acuminata.

btw..madruno isn't dioecious..it makes male flowers and androgynous flowers on the same plant...

same with G acuminata.

[davidgarcia899]

Wait really Adam? Okay so this is terrible info! Lol. Thanks for telling me.

You sure about acuminata too?

[TropicalFruitHunters]

The madruno most of us are familiar with are more round in shape. 

[davidgarcia899]

i thought madruno was charichuelo and looked like a bumpy lemon drop mangosteen

[apresser]

that fruit they show looks like G acuminata.

btw..madruno isn't dioecious..it makes male flowers and androgynous flowers on the same plant...

same with G acuminata.

do you know about the Garcinia magnifolia, weather or not that is dioecious? thanks

[fruitlovers]

Almost all new world garcinia (called rheedias before) are self pollinating and not dioecious. All old world garcinias are classified as dioecious, but in reality almost all are able to either self pollinate or produce fruit without any pollination. In other words, there are very very few (you can count them on one hand) garcinias that really need cross pollination.
It's not really known what species the plant that Whitman called charichuela is. Seems very close, or variant of, madrono.

[TropicalFruitHunters]

Seems like every few years we get into this garcinia naming debate.  Don't they like to group every garcinia/rheedia they can't or won't classify as garcinia spp.??

If you go halfway down the following page, Sadhu describes two different garcinias as being called madruno.  One is garcinia madruno and the other garcinia magnifolia...but it has smooth skin.   http://www.organicfarm.net/fruitnursery_pg3.htm

On this page, he has rheedia acuminata, which is another yellow, bumpy fruit resembling madruno.  http://www.organicfarm.net/fruitnursery.htm

[davidgarcia899]

Almost all new world garcinia (called rheedias before) are self pollinating and not dioecious. All old world garcinias are classified as dioecious, but in reality almost all are able to either self pollinate or produce fruit without any pollination. In other words, there are very very few (you can count them on one hand) garcinias that really need cross pollination.
It's not really known what species the plant that Whitman called charichuela is. Seems very close, or variant of, madrono.

So Oscar, since this is the best info I've gotten. My Garcinia madruno won't need two trees to set fruit correct? How about G. xathochyumus or G. duclis?

[FlyingFoxFruits]

I've planted seeds of g acuminata, and seeds of g madruno...

And I've compared them to seedlings from whitmans tree...

He had G acuminata

[gunnar429]

Almost all new world garcinia (called rheedias before) are self pollinating and not dioecious. All old world garcinias are classified as dioecious, but in reality almost all are able to either self pollinate or produce fruit without any pollination. In other words, there are very very few (you can count them on one hand) garcinias that really need cross pollination.
It's not really known what species the plant that Whitman called charichuela is. Seems very close, or variant of, madrono.

So Oscar, since this is the best info I've gotten. My Garcinia madruno won't need two trees to set fruit correct? How about G. xathochyumus or G. duclis?

ditto for G. Hombriana (seashore mangosteen).  Will only 1 tree fruit?

[gunnar429]

Almost all new world garcinia (called rheedias before) are self pollinating and not dioecious. All old world garcinias are classified as dioecious, but in reality almost all are able to either self pollinate or produce fruit without any pollination. In other words, there are very very few (you can count them on one hand) garcinias that really need cross pollination.
It's not really known what species the plant that Whitman called charichuela is. Seems very close, or variant of, madrono.

Do tell, Oscar.  I'd like to know which ones are included in that "handful"

Thanks!

[fruitlovers]

Almost all new world garcinia (called rheedias before) are self pollinating and not dioecious. All old world garcinias are classified as dioecious, but in reality almost all are able to either self pollinate or produce fruit without any pollination. In other words, there are very very few (you can count them on one hand) garcinias that really need cross pollination.
It's not really known what species the plant that Whitman called charichuela is. Seems very close, or variant of, madrono.

So Oscar, since this is the best info I've gotten. My Garcinia madruno won't need two trees to set fruit correct? How about G. xathochyumus or G. duclis?

No, none of the species named in this thread need cross pollination to fruit. That includes hombroniana.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Hey the title to this thread is misleading!

I keep getting good info here! 

I had been recently confused by misleading information about G. hombroniana...I'm glad to hear from Oscar u only need one...that's what I've always thought.

[Jackfruitwhisperer69]

Almost all new world garcinia (called rheedias before) are self pollinating and not dioecious. All old world garcinias are classified as dioecious, but in reality almost all are able to either self pollinate or produce fruit without any pollination. In other words, there are very very few (you can count them on one hand) garcinias that really need cross pollination.
It's not really known what species the plant that Whitman called charichuela is. Seems very close, or variant of, madrono.

So Oscar, since this is the best info I've gotten. My Garcinia madruno won't need two trees to set fruit correct? How about G. xathochyumus or G. duclis?

Xanthochymus is self-fruitful.

[fruitlovers]

Almost all new world garcinia (called rheedias before) are self pollinating and not dioecious. All old world garcinias are classified as dioecious, but in reality almost all are able to either self pollinate or produce fruit without any pollination. In other words, there are very very few (you can count them on one hand) garcinias that really need cross pollination.
It's not really known what species the plant that Whitman called charichuela is. Seems very close, or variant of, madrono.

Do tell, Oscar.  I'd like to know which ones are included in that "handful"

Thanks!

Of the ones that i can recall:
old world garcinias: cherapu (G. prainiana). Also needs hand pollination, at least outside its native range.
new world garcinias (before called rheedias): Jim West claims he has one that is dioecious (needing cross pollination). I forget if it is macrophylla or magnifolia, as i always get those 2 mixed up?
Anyways, needing more than one plant in garcinias for fruiting is very rare exception.

[davidgarcia899]

Ugh this is getting confusing!

So let me see if I am getting this right Oscar. Most Garcinas that are labeled Dioecious are Dioecious but will still set fruit without pollination?

Are you sure about that? That sounds wrong lol. The seeds are then infertile right?

[FlyingFoxFruits]

I think u confused because some garcinias make male and androgynous flowers on the same plant, and some garcinias (like mangosteen) are apomictic, and have female flowers that just set fruit without being pollinated...read below what I copied and pasted concerning mangosteen flowers...(it may only be partially correct, but I know the trees are definitely apomictic)
http://www.nari.org.pg/sites/default/files/publications/toktoks/keravat/KER028E_Mangosteen.pdf

The trees are dioecious meaning that the male and female flowers appear on separate plants but for mangosteen male trees are non existent and female trees produce apomictic seeds i.e. produce seed without pollination when grown without male trees.

[fruitlovers]

So let me see if I am getting this right Oscar. Most Garcinas that are labeled Dioecious are Dioecious but will still set fruit without pollination?

Yes, that is correct. 

Are you sure about that? That sounds wrong lol.

It's in the literature. Look at the chapter on garcinias in the Prosea book.

The seeds are then infertile right?

No, they are apomictic. Just like mangosteen seeds, not really seeds, but part of the mother plant. So the plant is able to reproduce itself asexually. So all the plants will be clones.

[Mike T]

I have seen isolated xanthochymus,dulcis,gutta gummi, forbesii and other Asians produce fruit on their own when isolated.G.prainiana and Russells sweet need male trees and don't seem to have apomyctic seeds and fruit don't develop without trees of both sexes being present.
I have also heard that at least one American species either needs to outcross or sexes are separate.

[fruitlovers]

I have seen isolated xanthochymus,dulcis,gutta gummi, forbesii and other Asians produce fruit on their own when isolated.G.prainiana and Russells sweet need male trees and don't seem to have apomyctic seeds and fruit don't develop without trees of both sexes being present.
I have also heard that at least one American species either needs to outcross or sexes are separate.

Another exception for the garcinias that also needs 2 plants for cross pollination is the imbe (G. livingstoneii). Although once in a great while they can have some hermaphrodite flowers and there will be some self pollination. There was a thread about this started by Adam i believe some time ago.

[davidgarcia899]

I know that Garcinia mangostana is apomitic, I didn't know other garcinia could act like that.

What if the tree flowers only male? Will it still apomitically produce fruit and seed?

[fruitlovers]

I know that Garcinia mangostana is apomitic, I didn't know other garcinia could act like that.

What if the tree flowers only male? Will it still apomitically produce fruit and seed?

Only female flowers can produce fruit because only they have an ovary that can enlarge to become a fruit. Pollen alone ain't gonna do it.
Apparently xanthochymus is stranger than mangosteen because it can either produce sexually, with both male and female flowers present, or, in absence of males, asexually (apomictic).

[davidgarcia899]

So oscar, isn't there still the possibly that I would have a male tree and get no fruit?

[fruitlovers]

So oscar, isn't there still the possibly that I would have a male tree and get no fruit?

Are you asking about madrono now? All the rheedia species, except maybe one, have both female and hermie flowers on same tree. So they always set fruits.