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Pomelo in general
« on: February 07, 2016, 04:10:11 AM »
Hello,
I have pomelo chandler but the taste is so and so, according to you valentine, oroblanco, honey, tahitian, siamese sweet are better?
Where is possible to buy online varieties of pumelo?
Which pomelo are in sout california/mexico ?

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Re: Pomelo in general
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2016, 12:28:20 PM »
IMPORTING CITRUS IN EU UNION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED, unless you are going to import seeds.
There are many diseases involving citrus, you aren't going to want to import citrus plants in EU from North america, never, ever. Especially if you live in Sicily!!!
Also, in europe you can find all the verieties you need. Everything you listed is available in europe!!!
Please read about citrus greening before thinking about importing citrus in europe!
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2016, 03:28:03 AM »
I bought a bag of organic, red-fleshed(!) pomelos at a BJ's Club about a week ago, and I must have got them at their peak 'cause everything about them was just dreamy perfect, the taste, texture, the orange exterior appearance and fruit quality was like: wow! I didn't know fruit like this existed; Or, I think the last time I had citrus this good was when I was a little kid; Everyone that's tried them says the same thing. When citrus is this good, I put it right up there with mango and lychee.
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2016, 07:58:56 AM »
What a great citrus tree(and you will rarely hear me say that about citrus). While mine still has fruit ripening(within a couple weeks) and thus I haven't tried it yet, this tree is a vigorous grower, ignores relative cold(we hit low 30s) and CLM and other pests seem to ignore it. It also doesn't seem to discolor in the winter like many other citrus. It should do well for you in Italy/Sicily if you find one.

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2016, 08:14:26 AM »
What a great citrus tree(and you will rarely hear me say that about citrus). While mine still has fruit ripening(within a couple weeks) and thus I haven't tried it yet, this tree is a vigorous grower, ignores relative cold(we hit low 30s) and CLM and other pests seem to ignore it. It also doesn't seem to discolor in the winter like many other citrus. It should do well for you in Italy/Sicily if you find one.

Never seen it be "immune" from visits and damage by CLM.
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2016, 12:59:50 PM »
It is in my yard. Maybe it leaf texture or whatever. While every other citrus tree looks like crap from CLM no matter what I do, my Pomelo looks great.

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2016, 08:41:38 PM »
Pummelo does seem hardier to diseases and pests than many other citrus. One reason is it doesn't flush multiple time in the year like lemon. Maybe leaf miners prefer mandarins to it in my yard too. It's not immune though. Small plants can still get heavy damage until it's established.

I recall millet saying leaf miners don't attack the first flush of the year. Maybe that's why pummelos don't show much damage.

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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2016, 09:44:54 PM »
I can confirm that miners don't attack the first flush. But i have always assumed that the reason was, they were very reduced in numbers because winter cold.
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2016, 05:15:15 AM »
Hello,
I have pomelo chandler but the taste is so and so, according to you valentine, oroblanco, honey, tahitian, siamese sweet are better?
Where is possible to buy online varieties of pumelo?
Which pomelo are in sout california/mexico ?

thanks


If you lives in Italy and you are looking for wide range of citrus cultivars, not only those commercial varieties, the best choice is Oscar Tintori nursery from Pescia. http://www.oscartintori.it/
btw: here is their sortiment of pomelo cultivars:
34 C. grandis pummelo o Schaddock Malesia - Indonesia
34 A C. grandis x C. paradisi "Piriforme" pummelo o Schaddock piriforme
34 A1 C. grandis x C. paradisi "Sweetie" pummelo sweetie - Israele
34 B C. grandis "a frutto rosa" pummelo o Schaddock a frutto rosa
34 C C. grandis "Burm. Mer." pummelo burm. Mer.
34 D C. grandis "Chandler"
34 E C. grandis "Marsh" pummelo marsh
34 F C. grandis "rosso d'Ischia" pummelo rosso d'Ischia
34 G C. grandis "rosso di Sarzana" pummelo rosso di Sarzana
34 H C. grandis "Shambar" pummelo shambar
34 I C. grandis "Kao Pan" pummelo kao pan precoce polta gialla Thailandia
34 L C. grandis "Webber" pummelo webber
34 M C. maxima "Goliath" pummelo goliath precoce, apireno, polpa gialla Israele
34 N C. grandis "Hirado Buntan" pummelo Hirado Buntan

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Re: Pomelo in general
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2017, 02:48:47 PM »
Hello,
I have pomelo chandler but the taste is so and so, according to you valentine, oroblanco, honey, tahitian, siamese sweet are better?
Where is possible to buy online varieties of pumelo?
Which pomelo are in sout california/mexico ?

thanks


If you lives in Italy and you are looking for wide range of citrus cultivars, not only those commercial varieties, the best choice is Oscar Tintori nursery from Pescia. http://www.oscartintori.it/
btw: here is their sortiment of pomelo cultivars:
34 C. grandis pummelo o Schaddock Malesia - Indonesia
34 A C. grandis x C. paradisi "Piriforme" pummelo o Schaddock piriforme
34 A1 C. grandis x C. paradisi "Sweetie" pummelo sweetie - Israele
34 B C. grandis "a frutto rosa" pummelo o Schaddock a frutto rosa
34 C C. grandis "Burm. Mer." pummelo burm. Mer.
34 D C. grandis "Chandler"
34 E C. grandis "Marsh" pummelo marsh
34 F C. grandis "rosso d'Ischia" pummelo rosso d'Ischia
34 G C. grandis "rosso di Sarzana" pummelo rosso di Sarzana
34 H C. grandis "Shambar" pummelo shambar
34 I C. grandis "Kao Pan" pummelo kao pan precoce polta gialla Thailandia
34 L C. grandis "Webber" pummelo webber
34 M C. maxima "Goliath" pummelo goliath precoce, apireno, polpa gialla Israele
34 N C. grandis "Hirado Buntan" pummelo Hirado Buntan
Hi! Anyone knows wich two varieties of this list are the best? Thank's!

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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2017, 06:18:26 PM »
Hirado Buntan. Good firm flesh that holds together and doesn't liquify in your hands. Sweet flavor, low acid. In other words, it's what you would get if you think grapefruits are too acidic and too messy.

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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2017, 08:51:00 PM »
I used to have a Chandler Pummelo tree.  The flesh is semi-firm and pick in color.  I don't remember it being really sweet, but it definitely was a good tasting variety.  My wife loved it.  I removed the tree just so that I could make room of a Valentine pummelo.

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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2017, 12:06:25 AM »
We have Chandler and Valentine. Chandler is nice. Valentine is amazing. Somewhere between a pomelo and tangy orange.
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2017, 07:12:23 AM »
We have Chandler and Valentine. Chandler is nice. Valentine is amazing. Somewhere between a pomelo and tangy orange.
I don't know any pomelo valentive suplier in Europe...  :-[

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2017, 10:26:01 AM »
We have Chandler and Valentine. Chandler is nice. Valentine is amazing. Somewhere between a pomelo and tangy orange.

That is most likely because of the Dancy and Ruby blood orange in the Valentine's parentage.
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2017, 12:25:53 PM »
Some varieties of pomelo include:

Chandler is the most common, having a deliciously sweet pink flesh and some seeds.

Hirado Buntan was named and introduced into cultivation about 1960, and is one of the most commercial of Japanese fruits. It is yellow, much like a grapefruit in size and shape; but its yellow-pink, bluish coloured flesh is less juicy and firmer. It has numerous segments, as well as seeds, and a tough sinewy wall that gives it an interesting consistency. To obtain the maximum in sweetness, a pomelo should ripen at room temperature for ten to fifteen days until it has a heavy aroma and a deep yellow colour.

Liang Ping Yau is a very large Chinese pomelo and highly prized in Southeast Asia, where it is considered the best citrus for desserts and other culinary purposes. It is shaped almost like a pyramid, with a very thick, pale yellow rind that protects its red, juicy sweet pulp. The pulp is comprised of up to fourteen segments, with many seeds. Its irregular segments create a mosaic pattern when seen in a cross-section. This pleasant flavoured fruit is often eaten with a honey dip in the Asian tradition.

Pandan Wangi is an outstanding pummelo variety from Java's Bativia district. It has a thick rind with a faint yellow-green hue and a meaty pith. The blush red pulp has up to eighteen segments and as many seeds. The fruit yields very little juice of a complex flavour but it is pleasant and sweet with a hint of lime.

Pink Pomelo is a pigmented member of the Thai group. Although it is sometimes bitter, it can have some of the best flavour of all the California pomelos. The rind is medium thick and slightly pebbly and looks much like the pink grapefruit. It has bright yellow skin, a juicy pulp, and many seeds; but it is less acidic than a grapefruit.

Red Shaddock was only recently developed in Africa at Tambuti Estate in Swaziland. It has an extraordinary flavour that is low in acid leaving a sugary sweet aftertaste. Red Shaddock pulp is very similar to that of the Star Ruby, crisp and intensely red, but has many seeds. The rind is a grapefruit-yellow colour and is smooth. It is ideal for cooking into various recipes.

Siamese Sweet was introduced into the US in 1930 by the USDA and grown at the University of California's Citrus Research Center in Riverside. The fruit is large and oblique, with a somewhat pebbly grapefruit-like rind. The flesh is white and meaty and has few seeds. Despite its name, the mild juice is faintly bitter. In Thailand, this pomelo is picked when it loses its green colour, and then stored indoors for a few months to improve its flavour and juiciness.

Wainwright is a California fruit that probably descended from the Chinese group. It is a large collared fruit, with a lemon-lime coloured rind that tapers characteristically, moderately thick, but soft and easy to peel. The flesh has up to fourteen juicy segments and has a pleasant flavour, but it is heavily seeded.
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2017, 02:24:56 PM »
And add Oro Blanco, Melogold and Valentine...pummelo hybrids.
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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2017, 10:18:24 PM »
I think some of those names are not real.Pomelo needs to be grown in a warm climate to be sweet and taste good.I find them so much more appealing and pleasant to eat than grapefruit being less sour and more like orange.They also can be kept as segments for quite a while and the fruit last a long time whole.
Nam roi is pale and good
Carters red is good
Tahitian is good
Hirado is good and vaious thai and Vietnamese generally are good.I understand a few chinese types are of good quality but these are probably renamed Vietnamese varieties.

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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2017, 01:31:33 AM »
If I can add, 'kao pan' is the same variety as 'Siamese Pink', and also sometimes goes under the name 'Nakhon' or 'Nakon' after the province in Thailand where these are grown. It's often and generally considered the best tasting variety in Thailand, though that's subjective. (Keep in mind Thai category pomelos may not be as sweet as the other varieties we know, especially when grown in a climate that does not have year-long heat that Thailand does)

Correction: Nakon was the name given to a seedling of kao pan which was grown in Florida. It's probably very similar to its parent though.

Let me again point out that even though this may theoretically be the variety with the "best" flavor, I do not recommend it for most of you. Almost everyone outside of Southeast Asia prefers more sweetness. What a pomelo should be like is viewed a little bit differently in Thailand, since there are already so many other very sweet tropical fruits readily available, and pomelos are often used in salads or combined with sweet spicy sauces, rather than just being eaten as a dessert fruit. And even climates like Southern California may not have enough heat throughout the year to truly fully ripen these Thai varieties to full sweetness. Which is probably why as you start going North to Southern China the types of pomelos they grow look a little different, "Honey pomelos" with more golden-yellow colored skin. "Chinese grapefruit" may not be all that bad of a translation. They do have a very sweet variety in Thailand but the flavor is also very insipid because it lacks all sourness. This is where 'Siamese Sweet' originated from. (I also think it is lacking in fragrance and aroma but can't absolutely vouch for this)

I have for a long time been wanting to get the Japanese variety 'Banpeiyu', which has the distinction of having the largest size of all the citrus fruits, but from what I've read it's not really the most excellent eating quality. It's more of a novelty in Japan, or left floating in hot tubs to add fragrance at expensive ryokan inns.

There are several pomelo varieties cultivated in Japan, and of these the most commercially popular is Suishō buntan (水晶文旦), which translates as "Crystal". (Hirado Buntan comes in a distant second) However, grapefruit imported from the U.S. has mostly replaced the more traditional pomelo fruit in Japanese supermarkets. (Price may be a significant factor. Japan imports 15 times more weight in grapefruits than the entire domestic harvest of pomelo)
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2017, 11:44:46 AM »
Of the ones I tried, my preference is
Chinese pummelo(oily to the touch, not wet like grapefruit),
Valentine (good sweetness in December before fully ready, good flavor),
Hirado Buntan(good fragrance, sweet with little acid),
Oroblanco(good flavor),
Siamese sweet (sweet, no acid, annoyingly bitter membrane if you touch it while eating),
Tahitian,
Reinking,
Banpeiyu (acidic),
Chandler (acidic, less acidic in March but still pretty high),
kao pan (acidic)

Most of this is based on a single tasting. My preference is sweet. I can taste the flavors only when my tongue is not overwhelmed by the acid. I think other people require the acid to distinguish (bring forth) flavor, where a fruit becomes empty if there's no acid.

It's a fairly low threshold until the only thing I taste is acid and it drowns out other stuff. I find that the acid can mask the signs that a fruit is spoiling. I only found out when I ate miracle fruit with some orange or kiwifruit that look good but are going downhill. Maybe people with higher acid tolerance can tell the difference.

 

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