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mikkel

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Re: hybrids with precocious Poncirus
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2017, 03:32:38 AM »
I suspect that Voss Ntri hybrids are from non controlled open pollination by some trifoliate hybrid.
All F1 poncirus derivatives that I have seen were nearly 100% trifoliates.
N1tri starts to show a damage already at -9C, but mostly at the ends of new growth. It has very sparse fructification, many flowers are without pistils. Fruits are rather small, pear shaped, resemble small lemons.

It might be a pollination by a trifoliate hybrid. I`ll keep an eye on this topic.
My N1tri are very good bloomer for me, haven`t seen sterile flowers so far. They are beside Ichang Papedas my best fruiting plants.
Fruits are small and pearshaped like yours, it should be the same clone like yours. -9C is what I expected.


Another question, are there  differences in leave shape and other phenotypics between the hybrids on its own roots and the grafted ones?
They have smaller spines and larger leaves, especially toward the fruiting branches.
the grafted ones?
Mitchurin wrote that grafted apple seedlings and the same seedling on its own roots develope in different ways. So different that one wouldn`t suspect the same variety. Fruits are very different from each other. After him a wild rootstock change the hybrid more in the direction of the wild species.
I am wondering if this can be true.

Topgrafting sounds interesting.

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Re: hybrids with precocious Poncirus
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2017, 12:30:13 PM »
Mikkel,

> He suggested the use of C.wintersii/M.papuana as a substitute for C.wakonai even if it is of hybrid offspring. With selfing/inbreeding one could stabilize the precocious trait and go then for hybrids with other Citrus.
What arguments Malcom S. gave to prefer C. wintersi to C. wakonai?

Simply. It is not available.
It depends for who.

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Re: hybrids with precocious Poncirus
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2017, 12:33:19 PM »
My C. wintersii are not of hybrid offspring.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2017, 12:53:24 PM by Sylvain »

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Re: hybrids with precocious Poncirus
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2017, 12:38:16 PM »
Ilya 11  concerning the tall tree growing in the small round pot (the second picture)   That is a classic example of growth by a  root bound tree.  When a container tree's root system fills the container becoming root bound, the growth shoots straight up, like toothpaste squeezed out of the tube.

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Re: hybrids with precocious Poncirus
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2017, 01:15:47 PM »
Millet,
It is in a root pruning container.
Its small size favors the induction of flowers because of low ratio of root/branch volumes.
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Re: hybrids with precocious Poncirus
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2017, 03:25:15 PM »
Mikkel,

> He suggested the use of C.wintersii/M.papuana as a substitute for C.wakonai even if it is of hybrid offspring. With selfing/inbreeding one could stabilize the precocious trait and go then for hybrids with other Citrus.
What arguments Malcom S. gave to prefer C. wintersi to C. wakonai?

Simply. It is not available.
It depends for who.

Is it meant as offensive as it sounds?
I know you have it and I asked you twice for it. As I always got no answer when it comes to this matter I can not say it is available as it is not for me and for others. As you posted by yourself.
I don`t want to overestimate this but I feel a bit offended. Do I get you wrong?

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Re: hybrids with precocious Poncirus
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2017, 05:27:19 AM »
> I don`t want to overestimate this but I feel a bit offended. Do I get you wrong
Yes completely wrong.

Where did you ask me? On a forum or by mail?
I cannot speak freely on this forum. I have already been censored.
It's why my answers are so short and abstruse.
It is better if you contact me by mail.

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Re: hybrids with precocious Poncirus
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2017, 04:42:36 PM »
> I don`t want to overestimate this but I feel a bit offended. Do I get you wrong
Yes completely wrong.

Where did you ask me? On a forum or by mail?
I cannot speak freely on this forum. I have already been censored.
It's why my answers are so short and abstruse.
It is better if you contact me by mail.

Okay. Sorry for my post and thank you for your reply!

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Re: hybrids with precocious Poncirus
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2017, 05:00:51 AM »
@Sylvain
Did you get my message? I can not find it again, maybe something went wrong...

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Re: hybrids with precocious Poncirus
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2017, 11:32:02 AM »
No, I received no mail.
Where did you try? In PM here or on the French forum or in my personal email?

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Re: hybrids with precocious Poncirus
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2017, 12:04:45 PM »
No, I received no mail.
Where did you try? In PM here or on the French forum or in my personal email?
Here. Via the email button. I try it on the french forum. Somehow it will work :)

 

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