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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #150 on: August 10, 2017, 08:32:54 AM »
Great info, thanks.

Using my WorkSharp and a 80 grit belt I put a knife edge on a large, thick S/S spoon to cut/scoop out the "cheek".  Works pretty good.  PITA to dice one into small squares and then cut them off the peel.

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« Reply #151 on: August 10, 2017, 08:53:32 AM »
I like the bigger hunks just something about a quantity of quality

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« Reply #152 on: August 10, 2017, 03:19:39 PM »
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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #153 on: August 10, 2017, 06:52:28 PM »
Palm City, if your Sweet Tart is growing in sandy soil, you need to add Calcium to the soil, preferably as Calcium Sulfate (Gypsum).  At flowering time you can drench or spray with Calcium Chelate and Boron, or sprayed with Calcium Nitrate.

You need at least twice as much Calcium as Nitrogen, so Calcium Nitrate alone will never get you to the correct ratio, and will easily get you too much Nitrogen.
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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #154 on: August 11, 2017, 09:12:47 AM »
Palm City, if your Sweet Tart is growing in sandy soil, you need to add Calcium to the soil, preferably as Calcium Sulfate (Gypsum).  At flowering time you can drench or spray with Calcium Chelate and Boron, or sprayed with Calcium Nitrate.

You need at least twice as much Calcium as Nitrogen, so Calcium Nitrate alone will never get you to the correct ratio, and will easily get you too much Nitrogen.

Har.  As far as adding gypsum in sandy soil, can this be inferred for most other varieties of mango?  Also, can gypsum be applied via "top dressing" for the first couple years after planting?
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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #155 on: August 11, 2017, 10:57:05 AM »
Palm City, if your Sweet Tart is growing in sandy soil, you need to add Calcium to the soil, preferably as Calcium Sulfate (Gypsum).  At flowering time you can drench or spray with Calcium Chelate and Boron, or sprayed with Calcium Nitrate.

You need at least twice as much Calcium as Nitrogen, so Calcium Nitrate alone will never get you to the correct ratio, and will easily get you too much Nitrogen.

Thanks for the information/confirmation of Calcium Deficiency Har,
I was also thinking this might be due to calcium deficiency after seeing JoeP's post. This is my first tree that I have noticed internal symptoms as described in JoeP's pictures below but I did use very poor 3-5 foot deep soil removed from a hole to fill in and elevate around the rootball extending a few feet when originally planted. 
Here is link to presentation posted before, but drives home the benefit of calcium in mango trees: https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/AustralianMangoes/food-for-fruit-nutrition-management-in-mangoes







The jelly seed is likely a calcium deficiency.
-joep450
The tree is only about 7 foot and first year I allowed it to fruit. I am guessing it is possible in another year for the roots to branch out and reach better soil with more of a chance of obtaining the needed calcium to prevent the soft areas described. However, gypsum does sound like a good preventative for calium deficiency symptoms.

Does anyone have suggestions of where to obtain gypsum 50 - 100 lb bags etc. to pickup and transport in a truck for any address between Brevard County and Miami?

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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #156 on: August 11, 2017, 11:36:45 AM »
For large bags of gypsum, dont know for sure if they do but check with Winfield Solutions and/or Howards Fertilizer, both in Boynton Beach.
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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #157 on: August 11, 2017, 11:42:13 AM »
Universal Enterprises Supply Corp. in Pompano has it.  2171 Blount Rd.  954-979-0600.  Call him in advance as he only keeps a few bags in stock at a time.  I believe you'll want the pelletized version.
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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #158 on: August 11, 2017, 12:23:54 PM »
For large bags of gypsum, dont know for sure if they do but check with Winfield Solutions and/or Howards Fertilizer, both in Boynton Beach.

Winfield in Ft. Myers/Immokalee doesn't carry any as of this morning.  Hopefully they do on the East Coast.
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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #159 on: August 11, 2017, 02:27:19 PM »
Any of the professional supply houses that sell to golf courses should have pelletized gypsum (Calcium Sulfate).

Yes, it is applied on top of the soil in orchards.  Don't expect a quick response.  Doing per the following instructions will probably show a visible improvement in plant health and fruit quality, within 1 1/2 years.

Apply it each each time you apply a mixed fertilizer.  Since I tend to apply no Nitrogen to established mangos, I calibrate Calcium applications to the amount of Potassium being applied, so that, AT A MINIMUM, there will be slightly more Calcium than Potassium.  (Many consultants recommend around ten times more.)   Mr. Cookie Monster, on this forum, did a one-time application of a huge amount of gypsum, and got a rapid positive response.

When I put out one 50-lb. bag of mixed fertilizer which contains 16% Potassium (K), I put out at least 1/4 bag of pelletized gypsum.
When I put out one 50-lb. bag of mixed fertilizer containing 12% Potassium, I put out at least 1/5 bag of pelletized gypsum.

Remember to fertilize the entire area of the circle that is 1 1/2 times the diameter of the canopy  (=twice the radius of the canopy).

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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #160 on: August 11, 2017, 04:48:17 PM »
Any of the professional supply houses that sell to golf courses should have pelletized gypsum (Calcium Sulfate).

Yes, it is applied on top of the soil in orchards.  Don't expect a quick response.  Doing per the following instructions will probably show a visible improvement in plant health and fruit quality, within 1 1/2 years.

Apply it each each time you apply a mixed fertilizer.  Since I tend to apply no Nitrogen to established mangos, I calibrate Calcium applications to the amount of Potassium being applied, so that, AT A MINIMUM, there will be slightly more Calcium than Potassium.  (Many consultants recommend around ten times more.)   Mr. Cookie Monster, on this forum, did a one-time application of a huge amount of gypsum, and got a rapid positive response.

When I put out one 50-lb. bag of mixed fertilizer which contains 16% Potassium (K), I put out at least 1/4 bag of pelletized gypsum.
When I put out one 50-lb. bag of mixed fertilizer containing 12% Potassium, I put out at least 1/5 bag of pelletized gypsum.

Remember to fertilize the entire area of the circle that is 1 1/2 times the diameter of the canopy  (=twice the radius of the canopy).

Awesome Har.  There's golf courses all over the place in Naples so I'll have to inquire as to the pelletized gypsum source.  Great info, thanks.
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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #161 on: August 11, 2017, 07:06:28 PM »
I got a few trees in sandy soil.....they're young, 4-5 feet tall....I fertilize with 8-3-9 so how much gypsum would I need to apply?  Thanks!!

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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #162 on: August 11, 2017, 10:26:55 PM »
Another point the the presentation makes is that calcium is not easily absorbed, and so I'm assuming that applying calcium in a drench > powder > granular would procede in that order of fastest rate of absorption by the tree.

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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #163 on: August 12, 2017, 07:38:21 AM »
Har.  As far as adding gypsum in sandy soil, can this be inferred for most other varieties of mango?  Also, can gypsum be applied via "top dressing" for the first couple years after planting?

Yes, gypsum is water soluble.  See if you can find it in pastule form for a longer lasting effect.

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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #164 on: August 12, 2017, 05:32:17 PM »
At least 1/6 bag gypsum with 1 bag 8-3-9.   You CAN put a whole bag!
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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #165 on: August 13, 2017, 09:05:31 AM »
A local grower, lets call him Alex told me at a recent fruit club meeting that he is not as keen on sweet tart as he once was because of low production. Of course he is commercial so for dooryard growers it may produce enough.

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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #166 on: August 13, 2017, 09:57:31 AM »
A local grower, lets call him Alex told me at a recent fruit club meeting that he is not as keen on sweet tart as he once was because of low production. Of course he is commercial so for dooryard growers it may produce enough.

Low production?  Whatever production issues one may feel about it., it would not make a good commercial variety for other reasons (as many of the elite, newer varieties are not good commercial candidates either but they were never meant to be). 

Dont worry about "commercial production" when choosing a tree for your yard.  Choose for what you like im taste, Sweet Tart will provide you with enough fruit for your personal consumption.
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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #167 on: August 19, 2017, 05:15:18 AM »
I really like the spicy cola taste of Madame Francis mango (but without the fiber). Does sweet tart flavor as good as MF?
Looking for a final mango tree, other I have are LZ and Maha C.

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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #168 on: August 19, 2017, 08:54:00 AM »
I really like the spicy cola taste of Madame Francis mango (but without the fiber). Does sweet tart flavor as good as MF?
Looking for a final mango tree, other I have are LZ and Maha C.

Thanks....Joe

Considering the flavor of MF is not what I would call very good, finding a final tree should be easy.  With that being said, yes, Sweet Tart is far superior in taste to MF (I am not going to comment on any mango having a cola taste).
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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #169 on: August 19, 2017, 09:52:50 AM »
Sweet Tart's issue with production isn't that it can't set and hold heavy crops. It definitely can. It's issue seems to be that it requires a stronger bloom stimulus than other varieties in order to achieve full bloom. Some other cultivars have this issue as well.

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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #170 on: August 20, 2017, 11:01:38 PM »
Considering the flavor of MF is not what I would call very good, finding a final tree should be easy.  With that being said, yes, Sweet Tart is far superior in taste to MF (I am not going to comment on any mango having a cola taste).
"Sweet Tart is far superior in taste to MF" please elaborate, MF tastes very good to me (but too fibrous for me). ST is spicier? sweeter? more complex...?

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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #171 on: August 21, 2017, 09:43:43 AM »
I called Diamond R in Winter Garden for gypsum and  they had fifty pound bags for under 15 bucks.
Other locations most likely have it also

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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #172 on: August 21, 2017, 11:45:42 AM »
On our way to Johnny Nicolas' Hilltop Cafe (former member of Asleep at the Wheel) we took our back road along Gypsum Mine Trail Road.  Courtesy of Georgia Pacific Gypsum mines I picked up a bucket of fines along the road.   Put a handful on my mangos.   Hope you guys are onto something.



Just pulled this ST green as opposed to the first one that was full yellow. 



Am totally new to this.  Apparently the first one I pulled was over ripe.  Had a great taste though and a fine texture.



Fun to play with this stuff!

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« Reply #173 on: August 21, 2017, 02:55:55 PM »
On our way to Johnny Nicolas' Hilltop Cafe (former member of Asleep at the Wheel) we took our back road along Gypsum Mine Trail Road.  Courtesy of Georgia Pacific Gypsum mines I picked up a bucket of fines along the road.   Put a handful on my mangos.   Hope you guys are onto something.



Just pulled this ST green as opposed to the first one that was full yellow. 



Am totally new to this.  Apparently the first one I pulled was over ripe.  Had a great taste though and a fine texture.



Fun to play with this stuff!

Why do you say the one in the second picture is overripe?
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Re: Sweet Tart Mango
« Reply #174 on: August 21, 2017, 10:33:37 PM »
On our way to Johnny Nicolas' Hilltop Cafe (former member of Asleep at the Wheel) we took our back road along Gypsum Mine Trail Road.  Courtesy of Georgia Pacific Gypsum mines I picked up a bucket of fines along the road.   Put a handful on my mangos.   Hope you guys are onto something.



Just pulled this ST green as opposed to the first one that was full yellow. 



Am totally new to this.  Apparently the first one I pulled was over ripe.  Had a great taste though and a fine texture.



Fun to play with this stuff!

ST can have problems with uneven ripening within the fruit. Your second pic mostly greenie should turn out great given a few days on the kitchen counter

Asleep at the Wheel=== Did they do "I'll fix your flat tire Merle"   I think it was Big Brother
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