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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Identify this Banana.
« on: October 15, 2012, 07:06:34 AM »
Im not looking at the leaves, I'm looking at the trunk. I only have seen one variety that has the kind of reddish tint, but I dont know the name

Dwarf Red Jamaican has a red trunk, but the plants I had were a lot redder than the unknown banana.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / When should I harvest these satsuma oranges?
« on: October 15, 2012, 07:00:37 AM »
I got my first big crop of Citrus unshiu oranges (or satsumas, or tangerines) this year.  Most have changed color, but are still somewhat green.  One has turned fully orange, but after a gentle tug, the stem feels like it remains tightly connected.  Is there any advantage to leaving it on the plant any longer?  Should I eat it now, wait until the stem loosens, or the fruit is ready to fall off?  I certainly don't want to wait past its prime.

I suspect commercial oranges are picked somewhat green and chemically ripened during transport to the grocery store.  I know this is how they treat bananas.  I also suspect this results in less sugar in the fruit than its maximum potential.  I want the sweetest fruit I can grow at home.  When is the ideal time to harvest?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A good day at the Fruit & Spice Park...
« on: October 15, 2012, 06:18:02 AM »
Where is this Fruit and Spice Park?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Advice?
« on: September 04, 2012, 09:05:53 AM »
Lemon... Lime...  I figured I'd call it a 7UP or Sprite Tree.   ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Grafting Advice?
« on: September 04, 2012, 06:43:31 AM »
I've got a Meyer Lemon, a Key Lime, and a Citrus rootstock.  When I bought the rootstock, it had a navel orange twig grafted onto the top, but the twig didn't make it and the rootstock sprouted new branches below the graft.  I'm going to prune both the lemon and lime before I bring them inside for the winter, so I'll have some new twigs I could graft onto the rootstock.  The branches on the rootstock are a little under half an inch in diameter.

I've read some articles on citrus grafting, but I've never actually done it before.  Do any of you have any advice?  A technique that reliably works for you?  A grafting product (wax, tape, etc.) you can recommend?  How about any gotchas I need to avoid?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Deformed new growth and dropped leaves
« on: September 02, 2012, 09:30:26 AM »
I've got several deformed leaves on my Key Lime.  It could be due to overwatering.  I accidentally left the sprayer on overnight a few weeks ago.  The water couldn't drain out the bottom as fast as it was entering, so the next morning, the whole container was flooded to the rim.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Potted Plant Recommendations
« on: September 02, 2012, 09:15:46 AM »
I'm requesting photos of your plants.
OK, here you go.

Satsuma Orange--showing some of the 29 green oranges


Meyer Lemon--showing one of two lemons


Mexican or Key Lime--showing this year's only lime


T.R. Hovey Papaya--showing two of the three fruits (the other got picked and eaten)


Dwarf Pomegranate--showing the very first fruit to grow on this plant along with some new flower buds


Kona Coffee--the far plant is from Kona, the nearer one is a Caturra cultivar

This Kona Coffee tree is one of the rare three-leaf mutations.

Sweet Bay Laurel


True Cinnamon


Small Leaf Tea--showing two of six seed pods to grow this year


Ginger--what could I be doing wrong?  It grows slowly even without the oregano sharing the container


Super Dwarf Cavendish Banana--no fruit yet....


Allspice/Pimento--I don't really expect to get berries.


Actually, I've got LOTS more plants, but the batteries died in my camera.  I'll try to post more pic's once they're recharged.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Potted Plant Recommendations
« on: August 30, 2012, 01:05:12 PM »
...

I'm surprised you find ginger to be a slow grower- I have to divide mine annually or it literally breaks the pot.

   Kevin

I don't know what I'm doing wrong with my ginger.  I've also got white butterfly ginger, kahili ginger, and cardamom all of which crowd the pot.  I'm not doing anything different with any of them.  My true ginger dies back to the rhizome in late winter or early spring--right when I'd expect it to be breaking dormancy.  It doesn't sprout out again until mid summer.  It's almost like it has its seasons out of order.  All the rest stay green year round.

(I hope it's OK to hijack one's own thread....)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fruiting Potted Plant Recommendations
« on: August 29, 2012, 01:16:22 PM »
I live in Tennessee, so all of my tropical plants must come indoors to survive the winter.  I think the largest, practical pot size is about 24 inches/60 cm diameter--and that's mounted on casters.  The plant, container, and casters underneath must fit under a 7 foot/2 meter ceiling.  I have seen the following plants make fruit--here--in pots that size or smaller:

Satsuma Orange (Citrus unshiu) the first fruit wasn't as sweet as I would want, but this year I've got 29 oranges growing on a 3 foot/1 meter tall tree.
Meyer Lemon (Citrus x meyeri) my lemons were quite sour but had a very full flavor.  I've seen more than a dozen lemons growing at the same time.
Mexican or Key Lime (Citrus aurantifolia) small, ping-pong ball sized fruits.  I haven't tasted them, though.  I'm hoping to harvest enough for a Key Lime pie.
T.R. Hovey Papaya (Carica papaya var. 'T.R. Hovey'), Delicious and not very stringy.  It reminded me of cantaloupe.
Dwarf Pomegranate (Punica granatum var. 'nana') this plant just made its first fruit.  It's not ripe, so I haven't picked it--much less tasted it.
Kona Coffee (Coffea arabica var. 'Kona typica') I had one set seeds a few years ago. The heater in my sunroom failed; plant froze. Ugh.  Trying again now.
Sweet Bay Laurel (Laurus nobilis) OK, it's not a fruit, but I can harvest a few leaves whenever I want to cook my own spaghetti sauce.
True Cinnamon (Cinnamomum verum) I could harvest some bark, but I won't.  It doesn't grow very fast here.
Small Leaf Tea (Camellia sinensis var. sinensis) Another slow grower, but I'll harvest leaves when I bring it inside this year.
Ginger (Zingiber officinale) Glacially slow grower, but it does produce some new rhizome each year.

I hope the rest of my tropical fruit plants are simply too young to produce--so far.

If you have raised tasty tropical fruit in a container, please post your experience here.  Thanks.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I tasted my first homegrown papaya today
« on: August 29, 2012, 11:24:14 AM »
Thanks TNAndy for the post,
I'm very much looking forward to getting my 1st papaya. As seen in the photos below, I got these 2 in January 2012, and kept them inside my garage (with a ghetto greenhouse, heated by a growing light) until the weather warmed up in May 2012, then I up-potted them. Today, the taller one is at about 5', the other one a little shorter. They should be the same height, but I accidentally delayed the growth of the shorter one. I was going to plant them in the ground, but the roots grew out of the drain holes in to the soil below already, so I didn't want to disturb them.  Do you think I can expect to get any fruit this year?

Keep in mind this was my FIRST homegrown papaya fruit, so I am far from being an expert.

That being said, your plants don't look like mine.  1) TR Hovey is a dwarf plant.  2) I potted my plant in a 24 inch/60 cm diameter half-whisky-barrel liner.  3) I put my papaya in the best full-sun spot on my driveway where it will get the maximum light possible at noon.  4) From flower to ripe fruit took my plant 9 months.  It was dormant for at least a couple of months during the winter.

I seriously doubt you will get any RIPE fruit this year.  Good luck.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I tasted my first homegrown papaya today
« on: August 28, 2012, 02:43:21 PM »
Hey TNAndy, I find your experience very interesting.
Our climate is somewhat similiar (i have a climate marginally hotter than Chattanooga, in winter at least) so i think that on some degree, your experience can be useful to me.
I'm thinking about growing papayas as a vegetable since a couple of years. Basically i would like to grow in indoor during winter, and plant it outside during summer, and let it die on the next winter. And repeat this process every year, once i manage to understand the correct timing. My hope is that, if i get a flowering plant  by the time i plant it out, it can mature some fruits before the next winter kill it (much like we do with peppers). So i'd like to ask you some things;
1) How low has the minimun temperature been, in your sunroom?
2) How big was you plant when it first flowered?
3) How long did your fruit take from flowering to maturity?
4) Did you notice any problem transplanting yout plant?
Thank you. This year i have experiemented with a papaya myself and apparetly they can grow nicely in my soil, at least from may till september/october.

1) On the coldest winter nights my sunroom gets down to the lower 40's F./upper single digits Celsius.  That's a guess.  Most of my plants go dormant.  You can easily see how tall my papaya was last winter from the crowded leaf scars on the trunk.
2) The lowest fruit scar is 29 inches/0.75 meter from the soil level.  It had flowered before that, but those early flowers fell off.
3) Sorry, I didn't take notes.  It flowered last fall and I picked the first fruit on August 6.  IIRC, it was about 3 inches/8 cm tall when I bought it on June 23, 2011.
4) No, not that I recall.

It has been about a week since I planted some of the seeds from that first fruit.  I'll try to report when they sprout.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I tasted my first homegrown papaya today
« on: August 07, 2012, 01:32:21 PM »
Even the same variety may have different Brix levels depending on location, irrigation,  fertilizer, Sun exposure, and even season.  so many factors can change the sugar levels.

The above statement makes me wonder about how a variety's optimal characteristics can ever really be known. If a known variety is said to be sweet and dry, and then someone grows it and finds them to be average-tasting and juicy because of their local conditions. Or vice versa, if you get a great-tasting fruit out of a variety considered to be not very good.

What do you all think?
Jaime
I don't think it matters.  All I'm interested in is producing the best tasting and largest quantity of fruit I can... HERE.  That's why I wrote this report describing my successful experiment with papaya, describing as many growing conditions as practical.  I can get fruit grown in optimal conditions at the grocery store or online.

For all of my tropicals, my first consideration is whether I can fit the plant under the glass ceiling of my sunroom over the winter.  My second is getting the plant to set tasty fruit.  The optimal growing conditions don't matter to me.  My local conditions are the only ones I have access to.  If the plant fails to thrive, overgrows the ceiling height, or doesn't set tasty fruit, I dump it and try another cultivar of this fruit or some other plant entirely.  I ought to report on my experiments that fail, too.

Over time, selective breeding will overcome optimal conditions.  For example, modern corn bears little resemblance to the wild plant the Native Americans discovered however many thousands of years ago.  Now, we have sweet corn, dent corn, popcorn, you name it.  There are cultivars of each that grow in overlapping ranges wherever the frost permits.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can mangoes ripen indoor?
« on: August 07, 2012, 12:07:12 PM »
I've read about some LED grow light fixtures that emit only the wavelengths that make chlorophyll work.  They consume 90 watts versus 1000.  I don't have any experience with them, but if you're willing to roll the dice, they'd save you a lot of cash in electric bills.  They don't produce as many lumens as the metal halides, but since they only produce light the plant can use, much less of it is wasted.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I tasted my first homegrown papaya today
« on: August 07, 2012, 11:49:38 AM »
Wow congrats indeed! How large was the plant when you brought it in for the winter? Post up some photos if you have any. Gives me hope of growing my own papaya in a cold climate.

-Luke
Thanks.  I'd say it was a little less than three feet tall when I brought it in.  Add two more feet for the half-whisky-barrel liner and the casters mounted underneath.

Let's see if I can upload photos....  That's odd.  Why does it give me two of the same image?  Maybe that's just during editing....  Nope.  Delete the extras yourself....




The top picture is of the two remaining fruit on the tree.  The bottom picture is of the half of the fruit my wife tasted.  The photo makes it look like an apple left out too long.  This discoloration only appears in the picture, not on the fruit.

Doing great for Tennessee. I see clumps of bananas that get cut down to ground level most winters in Northern Florida. Perhaps you could plant bananas, cut them down when it gets cold, then heap some manure and straw on the root bases to keep them warm in the winter. Then have bananas come back each spring. Eventually the clump would give you some bananas as the root mass gets larger. Just my theory

I'm only interested in growing bananas that produce sweet, edible fruit.  I used to have two Dwarf Red Jamaican banana plants, but they kept getting too tall for my sunroom.  If I repotted a pup in the spring, it would still be small enough to bring inside for that winter, but over the following summer, it would always grow too large to bring inside the next year.  In other words, I could keep them for a year and a half at most.  From what I've read on the internet, Dwarf Red Jamaican takes at least two years to bloom in a container.  I suspect your theory would regenerate banana plants each spring, but in a single growing season, they'd never have enough time to flower.  I got rid of the Dwarf Reds.

Now I have a Super Dwarf Cavendish in another half-whisky-barrel liner.  The pseudo stem is supposed to only grow four feet tall, which should fit indoors--barely.  If the dwarf variety takes two years to bloom in a container, I've got nine more months to wait.  Again, from what I read, flowering is not a sure thing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / I tasted my first homegrown papaya today
« on: August 07, 2012, 09:21:35 AM »
I bought a "T.R. Hovey" Papaya seedling on June 23, 2011 from Wellspring Gardens on eBay.  By the end of the year, it had flowered and three fruits were starting to develop.  I waited for the oldest fruit to fully ripen on the tree before I picked it yesterday.  It was larger than a softball; smaller than a football--a little over half the size of store-bought papaya.  The rind was a deep lemon yellow and nearly all of the green specks had faded.  I almost waited too long to pick it.  It still had significant green spots last week, but by Monday the flower end was starting to go bad.

When I cut it open, I expected red flesh, but this fruit was golden yellow through and through.  Store-bought papaya seems to be packed with seeds, but the seeds were more sparse in mine.  All the seeds appear to be fully mature.

It was delicious.  It was less stringy and much firmer than most papaya I have tasted before--easily as firm as a cantaloupe.  It was sweet, but less sweet than tropic-grown papaya, again comparable to cantaloupe.  I have no idea if this variety normally has less sugar than the red varieties I tasted before or whether this is a result of not growing it in the tropics.  I live in Tennessee, zone 6b.

Wellspring shipped this in a 1-1/2 inch pot.  I potted it up into a six inch container before transplanting it to a 24 inch diameter half-whisky-barrel liner.  I brought it inside to my sunroom last October.  By December it was blooming, but all but three flowers fell off (and they continue to drop off now).  Unfortunately, my sunroom has only a small heater, so most of my tropicals go dormant during the coldest months. The only effect I can see is the distance between leaves became shorter.  Now that the plant is warm again, this distance is lengthening again.  I use Miracle-Gro potting mix exclusively, but do not recommend the moisture control stuff.  Once the built-in fertilizer runs out, I tend to use organic fertilizers, but sometimes use osmocote to save time.

I recommend this dwarf variety and this vendor for greenhouse/sunroom growers.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: August 03, 2012, 09:59:09 AM »
Greetings from East Tennessee.

I've been interested in fragrant herbs and spices since college.  Since then, I've become interested in tropical spices, drinks, and fruit.  My spices include:
Allspice
Bay Laurel
Black Pepper
Cardamom
Cinnamon
Ginger
Vanilla

My drink plants include:
Cola (Kola)
Chocolate (Cocoa)
'Kona' Coffee (made berries)
'Catura' Coffee
Small Leaf Tea (with seeds)
Weber Blue Agave

I have the following tropical fruit plants:
'Florida Sweet' Acerola (Barbados Cherry)
Surinam Cherry
'Super Dwarf Cavendish' Banana
'T.R. Hovey' Papaya (with fruit!)
'Wonderful' Pomegranate
Dwarf Pomegranate (so far, the flowers all fall off)
'Meyer' Lemon (with fruit!)
Key Lime (fruit last year)
Satsuma Orange (with LOTS of fruit this year!)
Pindo Jelly Palm
Dragon Fruit Cactus
Olive

All my tropical plants huddle in the sunroom built onto the back of my house over the winter.  It's only got a small heater, so many plants go dormant when it's cold.  I bring them outside to line my driveway for the summer.  The trees are in 20--24 inch pots mounted on casters; the herbs are in smaller planters.  They need lots of water when it's hot, but they love the heat.  Several plants are still young.  Unless I marked them as fruiting above, none have bloomed, much less made fruit.

I joined this forum hoping to read your advice on getting container plants to fruit or make more fruit.

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