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Title: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Jessg333 on March 02, 2018, 06:33:11 AM
I want to get a Maha chanok but told the husband I won’t plant any more fruit trees for a while... so before I sneak one in, I was wondering if there are any drawbacks to this mango? Any reason why I shouldn’t get it? Also I have read mixed information in regards to the growth and size of the tree. Some saw it is a slow growing dwarf while others say the opposite. Your input would be greatly appreciated :)
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: roblack on March 02, 2018, 07:03:09 AM
If you topwork a tree, you can keep your word regarding not planting any more fruit trees. That's what I did =)
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: mangokothiyan on March 02, 2018, 07:20:36 AM
I want to get a Maha chanok but told the husband I won’t plant any more fruit trees for a while... so before I sneak one in, I was wondering if there are any drawbacks to this mango? Any reason why I shouldn’t get it? Also I have read mixed information in regards to the growth and size of the tree. Some saw it is a slow growing dwarf while others say the opposite. Your input would be greatly appreciated :)

From what I have seen in my yard, it is a slow to medium vigor tree. Not a Pickering or a Julie, but can be easily maintained at a manageable height. It took three years for the tree to flower, but it has been very productive since then. Top quality fruit. I do not see any drawbacks.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: TnTrobbie on March 02, 2018, 01:27:49 PM
Really nit picking here but needs direct sunlight to get pretty looking fruit (color/blush). Also, imo, needs 10-12ft space to grow. Though slowish growing, internodes are long. Otherwise...a solid mango cv.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 02, 2018, 05:28:18 PM
The flavor is mild if eaten fully ripe. I almost didn't plant a maha, because the first few times I tried it, I ate them fully ripe and wasn't able to appreciate the flavor. When eaten slightly (ie, a day) under-ripe, you get the south east asian spice ("coca cola" flavor) plus some tart.

Not much to complain about otherwise.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Sleepdoc on March 02, 2018, 05:29:32 PM
Drawbacks? Yes.  It does not taste as good as a number of the new Zill varieties.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: pineislander on March 02, 2018, 06:18:03 PM
I found it to be a good enough fruit and tree that I am planting 10 of them.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Squam256 on March 02, 2018, 07:33:11 PM
The lack of precocity can require some patience.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: simon_grow on March 02, 2018, 08:16:29 PM
It’s a slow grower in my yard and the flavor is mild compared to the other newer Zill varieties. I would rather plant Sweet Tart, Lemon Zest, Piña Colada, Peach Cobbler, etc...

Simon
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 02, 2018, 09:27:59 PM
True dat. Mine took a good 5 years to produce; didn't realize it was common to this cultivar.

The lack of precocity can require some patience.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 02, 2018, 09:29:22 PM
Have you eaten them at the "right" stage? I thought the same way for the first 3 years I tried it, until I finally keyed in on the right time to eat it.

Drawbacks? Yes.  It does not taste as good as a number of the new Zill varieties.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: mangokothiyan on March 02, 2018, 11:47:18 PM
True dat. Mine took a good 5 years to produce; didn't realize it was common to this cultivar.

The lack of precocity can require some patience.

I agree. My tree was a slow grower and flowered sparsely for the first time after three years from a 3 gallon, that too in August. It flowered during the normal mango season for the first time last year (after five years) and held onto a high number of mangoes. It looks like it is going to be another good year for the tree.




Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: mike rule on March 03, 2018, 06:56:05 AM
Fairly slow grower here in Oz but the fruit do get a nice blush... Taste is good...... In Darwin a grower has put in a commercial orchard of them....... Mike
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: johnb51 on March 03, 2018, 08:53:44 AM
Funny how it was all the rage about six or seven years back, considered one of the very best mangos by forum members.  Now it's been relegated to a second tier position.  I guess it's still one of the prettiest mangos, and the tree is definitely compact and manageable.  Waiting for mine to bear--no fruit set this year.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: mangokothiyan on March 03, 2018, 09:51:28 AM
Funny how it was all the rage about six or seven years back, considered one of the very best mangos by forum members.  Now it's been relegated to a second tier position.  I guess it's still one of the prettiest mangos, and the tree is definitely compact and manageable.  Waiting for mine to bear--no fruit set this year.

I remember all the hype as well. :)  I think it is a great mango, but does not belong to the top tier.  Another mango that everyone kept raving about , and one which was hard to get, was the Angie. I have one in the ground and it is fruiting for the first time this year. Has a lot of pretty looking fruits on it now. I got it based on the hype and i hope I won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: WGphil on March 03, 2018, 10:10:07 AM
Still waiting on it to push something. 18 of 20 mango trees have blooms and one has leafed out nicely but still waiting on Maha...
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 03, 2018, 10:39:35 AM
Hmm. I must have missed the memo, because I still think MC is a top tier mango.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: simon_grow on March 03, 2018, 10:55:34 AM
Funny how it was all the rage about six or seven years back, considered one of the very best mangos by forum members.  Now it's been relegated to a second tier position.  I guess it's still one of the prettiest mangos, and the tree is definitely compact and manageable.  Waiting for mine to bear--no fruit set this year.

It still is a great Mango, beautiful, smells amazing, tastes great but back when Harry and others were highly advocating for it, there weren’t all the newer Zill varieties. It’s still a great variety to have in a collection.

Simon
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: behlgarden on March 03, 2018, 11:04:54 AM
Drawbacks? Yes.  It does not taste as good as a number of the new Zill varieties.

100% in agreement, we know taste is subjective. if someone likes mild mango this would be great for them. I like super sweet or super complex or both. Mild mangoes are not for me or my wife.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Squam256 on March 03, 2018, 12:01:26 PM
Funny how it was all the rage about six or seven years back, considered one of the very best mangos by forum members.  Now it's been relegated to a second tier position.  I guess it's still one of the prettiest mangos, and the tree is definitely compact and manageable.  Waiting for mine to bear--no fruit set this year.

I remember all the hype as well. :)  I think it is a great mango, but does not belong to the top tier.  Another mango that everyone kept raving about , and one which was hard to get, was the Angie. I have one in the ground and it is fruiting for the first time this year. Has a lot of pretty looking fruits on it now. I got it based on the hype and i hope I won't be disappointed.

Do you like Carrie? If you do you’ll like Angie.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: johnb51 on March 03, 2018, 12:02:20 PM
Another mango that everyone kept raving about , and one which was hard to get, was the Angie. I have one in the ground and it is fruiting for the first time this year. Has a lot of pretty looking fruits on it now. I got it based on the hype and i hope I won't be disappointed.
I planted Angie as well, based on Richard Campbell's promoting it so grandly.  It's a good mango--beautiful large fruit, smooth and fiberless, acceptable flavor, manageable tree.  But nothing I would ever recommend based on flavor alone.  Carrie has got to be sweeter.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: mangokothiyan on March 03, 2018, 12:41:02 PM
Another mango that everyone kept raving about , and one which was hard to get, was the Angie. I have one in the ground and it is fruiting for the first time this year. Has a lot of pretty looking fruits on it now. I got it based on the hype and i hope I won't be disappointed.
I planted Angie as well, based on Richard Campbell's promoting it so grandly.  It's a good mango--beautiful large fruit, smooth and fiberless, acceptable flavor, manageable tree.  But nothing I would ever recommend based on flavor alone.  Carrie has got to be sweeter.


Carrie however has problems. For the last three years, the productivity of my tree, as well as at least 5-6 people I know, has gone down substantially, even though it flowers heavily. Too many male flowers. Alex also mentioned that the Carrie trees in his grove has the same issues. I am planning to topwork the tree, with other cultivars of similar growth habit.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Barnacle1982 on March 03, 2018, 01:14:04 PM
Had one before storm knocked it down. Solid producer and no disease issues. Taste was excellent.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 03, 2018, 02:40:55 PM
:D It's only mild when eaten at the wrong stage. I don't like mild mangoes myself. It took me several tastings before I found the sweet spot.

I think a lot of folks pan certain mangoes because they're eating them at the wrong stage. For example, I hear a lot of folks claiming that the nam doc mai is bland (just pure sweet). However, that's only true if eaten when fully yellow. If eaten at an earlier stage, it's actually an incredible mix of sweet and tart.

Maha Chanok tastes a lot like sweet tart when eaten at the right stage.

Carrie is another one that is compost fodder when eaten at the wrong stage, but quite delicious when eaten slightly green.

Drawbacks? Yes.  It does not taste as good as a number of the new Zill varieties.

100% in agreement, we know taste is subjective. if someone likes mild mango this would be great for them. I like super sweet or super complex or both. Mild mangoes are not for me or my wife.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: murahilin on March 03, 2018, 03:11:58 PM
:D It's only mild when eaten at the wrong stage. I don't like mild mangoes myself. It took me several tastings before I found the sweet spot.

I think a lot of folks pan certain mangoes because they're eating them at the wrong stage. For example, I hear a lot of folks claiming that the nam doc mai is bland (just pure sweet). However, that's only true if eaten when fully yellow. If eaten at an earlier stage, it's actually an incredible mix of sweet and tart.

Maha Chanok tastes a lot like sweet tart when eaten at the right stage.

Carrie is another one that is compost fodder when eaten at the wrong stage, but quite delicious when eaten slightly green.

Drawbacks? Yes.  It does not taste as good as a number of the new Zill varieties.

100% in agreement, we know taste is subjective. if someone likes mild mango this would be great for them. I like super sweet or super complex or both. Mild mangoes are not for me or my wife.

I agree. I think most mangos should be eaten slightly green.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: cbss_daviefl on March 03, 2018, 04:12:56 PM
MC is excellent. It must be eaten a touch green for me to enjoy it. It fruits well in my humid environment.  However, it is not in my top 5 anymore, maybe not in top 10. Pineapple Pleasure, Dot, J12(Super Julie), LZ, Sweet Tart, Seacrest, Fruit Punch are just the ones I can quickly think of. I have not tasted many of the new releases yet either.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Capt Ram on March 03, 2018, 05:26:51 PM
Tell me about the Super Julie- how is the tree performing??
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: cbss_daviefl on March 03, 2018, 08:42:05 PM
My tree is recently planted, a little over a year ago. It broke 10 inches above the graft during Irma. Before then, it was growing nicely. I had been tipping it often and it was bushy, which was its downfall. It is coming back. The one other tree I know of sets good crops in a humid environment. The fruit seem to have a decent shelf life and hold up well with refrigeration.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Capt Ram on March 04, 2018, 05:13:55 AM
Thanks Brandon
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Jessg333 on March 04, 2018, 06:04:29 AM
The few MC that I tasted didn't seem mild in taste, but then again I haven't tasted all these mangoes you guys talk about. I can't seem to find them on island and sadly I can't easily order a shipment from the mainland. I need to go to Florida one summer and check out all the mangoes you guys have.

So I guess there are minimal drawback other than there are better tasting mangoes out there.

Do the mangoes like Lemon Zest, Piña Colada, Peach Cobbler, cotton candy, ice-cream, etc actually taste like their names or is it a subtle hint of flavor?
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Jessg333 on March 04, 2018, 06:08:00 AM
Roblack I have minimal experience with grafting and I am worried if I try top work a mango tree I might butcher it
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: kangtt on March 05, 2018, 04:25:22 PM
I was going to get one but Frankie Nursery told
me their tree did not bear fruit for them.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: starch on March 05, 2018, 04:46:28 PM
Totally agree. I ate a bunch of Maha's last year. Many from Florida and some off my own tree. Very aromatic, sweet and tart (not as pronounced as Sweet Tart) are the primary flavors and the secondary flavor is very nuanced almost floral. Very well balanced (not too much of any one flavor characteristic) but certainly not bland.

It is interesting to hear people talk about its lack of precociousness. I grafted my Maha scion onto Manila in 2016. It flowered and fruited for me in 2017, and is flowering right now for (hopefully) another crop in 2018.

:D It's only mild when eaten at the wrong stage. I don't like mild mangoes myself. It took me several tastings before I found the sweet spot.

I think a lot of folks pan certain mangoes because they're eating them at the wrong stage. For example, I hear a lot of folks claiming that the nam doc mai is bland (just pure sweet). However, that's only true if eaten when fully yellow. If eaten at an earlier stage, it's actually an incredible mix of sweet and tart.

Maha Chanok tastes a lot like sweet tart when eaten at the right stage.

Carrie is another one that is compost fodder when eaten at the wrong stage, but quite delicious when eaten slightly green.

Drawbacks? Yes.  It does not taste as good as a number of the new Zill varieties.

100% in agreement, we know taste is subjective. if someone likes mild mango this would be great for them. I like super sweet or super complex or both. Mild mangoes are not for me or my wife.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Jessg333 on March 05, 2018, 06:58:42 PM
Kangtt I was just at Frankie’s yesterday inquiring about it and they said the same thing. They didn’t seem to impressed with MC and told me to get Kook Lom Krong instead. They said it’s just like the MC but lacks the blush and is a better producer. I tried kook Lom Krong once before and I dont recall it tasting alike. Maybe it was a bad one though. Anyone have input on this mango?

Bummed Frankie’s doesn’t carry Maha Chanok. Not sure where to get it on island.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Jessg333 on March 05, 2018, 07:00:15 PM
Anyone in Hawaii growing Maha Chanok and if so how well does it produce?
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: roblack on March 05, 2018, 07:07:26 PM
Roblack I have minimal experience with grafting and I am worried if I try top work a mango tree I might butcher it

My experience with grafting is rather limited as well, so someone else should chime in and show the way.

I just found some stalks that were around the same size as the scions received, clipped them near enough to the ends where green was still noticeable on the outside, cut a slit down the middle, and placed a v-shaped wedge of the budwood down into the cut. Then buddy taped them as well as could. Its been about 10 days now, they look good but too early tell if the grafts took. Was advised to wait until it gets hotter to graft, but came across some scions and jumped. hth
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: kangtt on March 05, 2018, 07:28:24 PM
Jessg333,

Kauai Nursery and landscaping (808-241-5165) carries a Maha Janok...might
be just a different spelling...try ask them.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: sapote on March 07, 2018, 09:15:47 PM
Drawbacks? Yes.  It does not taste as good as a number of the new Zill varieties.

100% in agreement, we know taste is subjective. if someone likes mild mango this would be great for them. I like super sweet or super complex or both. Mild mangoes are not for me or my wife.

I don't care for mild mangoes also, but I say Maha is an excellent tasting fruit at its peak. The fruits from the grafted tree bought from FL, 3' tall, is mild. But the fruits I grafted from FL tree to a big 10' from seed tree was out of this world. I had to sit down biting and licking into the paper thin seed and not fall down from heaven. Timing is crucial -- I picked it when the fruit was still firm but had strong smell. Glenn is a mild fruit in my scale.
My tree have many flowers every year since first planted, so maybe SoCal and FL have total different effect on flowering behavior. I don't know how Maha taste like in tropic region like FL and Hawaii but it is a keeper in SoCal yards.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: mangomandan on March 09, 2018, 09:52:20 AM
Do the mangoes like Lemon Zest, Piña Colada, Peach Cobbler, cotton candy, ice-cream, etc actually taste like their names or is it a subtle hint of flavor?

To me Lemon Zest tastes more like a Minneola tangelo grown in Florida on sour orange or Cleo rootstock and eaten in January or February, not like the zest of a lemon. That is, rich, sweet, wonderful.

And  Piña Colada really does remind me of a delicious and fruity drink.

Little or no experience so far with the others.   :-[
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: FrankDrebinOfFruits on March 09, 2018, 12:39:51 PM
Jessg333,

Kauai Nursery and landscaping (808-241-5165) carries a Maha Janok...might
be just a different spelling...try ask them.

It was discussed in a another thread, but I doubt the KNL Maha Chanok is the same as the Florida one (and I would venture to guess its different than the one at Frankie's). The scion for the KNL was "borrowed from King's garden in Thailand".  I expect flowers this year on one tree. I can take stem and leaf photos for comparison.

I would love to grow the the Floridian version against the KNL version. 
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: SoCalDan on March 09, 2018, 02:43:28 PM
I know mangos can be subjective, but the Maha is one of my favorite trees in the yard.   


Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 09, 2018, 02:47:07 PM
Agree. On both counts.

I know mangos can be subjective, but the Maha is one of my favorite trees in the yard.   
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Jessg333 on March 10, 2018, 03:01:52 AM
aloha mango carries Maha Chanok but the owner also tried to dissuade me from getting it. He called it a “bland flavored mango”. I wonder if they just don’t produce well in Hawaii
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: wslau on March 10, 2018, 08:34:20 AM
aloha mango carries Maha Chanok but the owner also tried to dissuade me from getting it. He called it a “bland flavored mango”. I wonder if they just don’t produce well in Hawaii

Just curious, what mango varieties are the Hawaii (on Oahu) nurserymen pushing (recommending) nowadays?   Rapoza?
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Jessg333 on March 10, 2018, 01:23:20 PM
I don’t think they are pushing any in particular, but the lady at Frankie’s did suggested himayuddin and Rapoza. All I know is that the few nirseries I talk to try to dissuade me from buying Maha Chanok and suggest alternate Thai mangoes. One tried selling me a chok anon instead which I though was only an ok tasting mango
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Guanabanus on March 10, 2018, 04:03:44 PM
The growth habit of Maha Chanok tends to be very lanky and open, which does display the gorgeous fruits to maximum effect.  I do like the flavor.  I only had some in 2015.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: dwfl on March 10, 2018, 07:08:34 PM
I have been seeing quite a few people report MC as bland tasting with little flavor complexity. I agree with Cookie Monster, it is a great mango and one of my favorites when eaten at the right stage (before "fully ripe") just the same as I like my Nam doc mai. Eaten at the proper stage it is complex and sweet and tart.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Guanabanus on March 11, 2018, 02:58:02 PM
Even 'Tommy Atkins', when tree-matured and eaten at the slightly-green-and-crunchy stage, especially with the skin's also being eaten with the pulp, is adequately enjoyable.  Two days later, well ripened and nicely soft, these same fruits will be for practicing one's aim for the garbage can, either still whole, when one already knows, or blasted from one's mouth, when one is still learning!
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: chrobrego on March 16, 2018, 12:54:53 AM
I had one but it was just too slow growing and the branches were very long. The freakish coldsnap we had here in Orlando killed it too while other varieties seemed to fair just fine in the exact same location; perhaps this means that it is less cold tolerant?
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Jessg333 on March 16, 2018, 03:47:14 AM
That is possible. Fortunately I live in Hawaii so cold tolerance isn’t a concern for me, but slow growth is. I am not known for my patience  :o
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: j-grow on March 16, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
That's funny Har
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: Tropicdude on May 31, 2018, 01:23:03 AM
Last year,  I decided to plant in ground, a couple dozen of my potted trees,  most were mangoes.  planted on a farm that basically like a jungle,  but they did clear out an area,  so bugs,  humidity, are pretty high,  also this year we have had a wet winter.

Of all the mango varieties I planted there,  the Maha Chanok  took off,  the little trunk tripled in girth, and its clean, green,  a filled out nicely.   some of my other trees, were attacked by insects, or have major nutritional problems.    nothing was added to the trees since planting.   anyway just my observation of this variety.
Title: Re: Any drawback to Maha chanok?
Post by: sunny on May 31, 2018, 04:34:17 AM
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