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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: black sapote seedling is taking off
« on: February 24, 2020, 01:39:29 AM »
You could try to cross poliinate this black sapote with the Texas persimmon eich tastes better but its a small fruit.
Russians ,Ukraineans ,alleeady crossed the japanese persimmon with the american persimmon and they have cold hardy hibrids .
Oolie is the big connoiseur of persimmons here.Ive learned a lot from his comments.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: black sapote seedling is taking off
« on: February 23, 2020, 08:00:57 PM »
Quote from: brian on February 23, 2020, 07:53:24 PM
Yes, just one.  Not grafted, a seedling I got mail order
They are not self fertile,you need 2 to get fruit or scions to graft on your tree.
Like american persimmons they are eyther male or female trees with somme that are both and otthers can be 2-3 years male and then change to female .
I think you got a male tree because the males grow a lot taller and faster than the females but its just an assumption.
You dont grow american persimmons outdoor? You would know all this if you had american persimmons( d Virginiana).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: black sapote seedling is taking off
« on: February 23, 2020, 06:48:04 PM »
You have just one?Is grafted?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is your 2020 grafting list?
« on: February 23, 2020, 06:07:40 PM »
I want to graft apricot and plum hybrid( like plumcot) onto 4 old plum trees and a peach .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Plants that will help prevent erosion Tampa Area.
« on: February 21, 2020, 10:53:32 PM »
Elderberry its a really good option and grows fast plus it makes a lot of nice fruits to make jam.
The jam is verry tasty and healthy but dont eat too much at once since it can cause stomack troubles.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Greenhouse pollinators
« on: February 21, 2020, 05:50:53 PM »
The spring is close and its the perfect time to catch a queen bumblebee and start a small colony like in the video .
https://youtu.be/oLucqyqg6L8

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Plants that will help prevent erosion Tampa Area.
« on: February 21, 2020, 05:34:33 PM »
Dalbergia coin vine if its warm enough.D Ecastaphyllum.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Exoticplants.bg
« on: February 21, 2020, 04:49:16 AM »
Quote from: giorgosgr on February 21, 2020, 04:31:52 AM
Quote from: SeaWalnut on February 21, 2020, 02:19:22 AM
Ive called them on both phone numbers but it doesnt work( says network is occupyed).
On whatsapp they replyed me once then they didnt replyed in the past few days altough they read the messages.
I think il search for another source,pay more for less but at least i want to have somme custommer support.
Last year when i contacted them they replyed after a month and by that time i allready bought my trees from different sources.

If you can find the plants you want elsewhere then its better to pay a little more than spend time trying to contact them.
If you want persimmons from them i think April its late considering how warm this winter was.
They sell the persimmons  with bare root and if they break dormancy and leaf out while they are not planted its really bad for the tree.
I hurry a little so that i avoid buying trees that broke dormancy .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Exoticplants.bg
« on: February 21, 2020, 02:19:22 AM »
Ive called them on both phone numbers but it doesnt work( says network is occupyed).
On whatsapp they replyed me once then they didnt replyed in the past few days altough they read the messages.
I think il search for another source,pay more for less but at least i want to have somme custommer support.
Last year when i contacted them they replyed after a month and by that time i allready bought my trees from different sources.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Exoticplants.bg
« on: February 21, 2020, 12:24:50 AM »
Quote from: giorgosgr on August 31, 2019, 01:37:48 AM
Quote from: SeaWalnut on August 30, 2019, 09:59:30 PM
Quote from: lebmung on August 30, 2019, 06:13:27 PM
Quote from: SeaWalnut on August 28, 2019, 05:25:09 PM
This is a nursery in Bulgaria wich it seems it has the best offer in the whole Europe and the prices are more than decent( 3-4 times cheaper than in Romania).
There is the language barrier but using a translator helps while surfing their website.
Lots of authentic cold hardiness info are presented.
Anybody has experience ordering from them?
I tryed this last spring  but i got late reply to my emails and i ordered from romanian shop instead.
http://exoticplantsbg.com/gb/

We have in Romania also, what are you looking for? I have mangoes, avocados, dragon fruit, bananas, citrus and many more for sale.

I am not so sure how accurate they are. For instance Key Lime
Price:23.90лв.
Лайм - Citrus aurantiifolia.
Възрастни растения с дебели стъбла - плододаващи с плод или цвят.
Студоустойчивост до -7С за растението и -3,5С за плодовете

They say key lime survives down to -7 C which is not true, under +10 C it starts to lose leaves and at +3C starts to die.
Good to know ,after i finish the greenhouse.
On bulgarian shop i was looking to buy grafted american persimmons ,japanese kaki ,and grafted pawpaws.

This year i will am planing to buy also those trees for my garden. They seem to have a really big variety! just keep in mind that last year they run out of some varieties of persimmons really fast!!
Did you ordered from them this year?
Im still struggling to comunicate with them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Futile effort? I want to give growing mangosteen a go S. Florida.
« on: February 19, 2020, 10:03:45 PM »
Get seeds of seashore mangosteen( verry hardy plant,tolerates acidic and verry alkaline soil) and graft the mangosteen on it.
Grow them from seeds and learn from asians how they do it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iron pan soil ,tropical rainforest soil
« on: February 19, 2020, 08:10:36 PM »
The asteroid hit was soo long ago that even the most of the calcium carbonate it moved ,was disolved allready by now ,leaving a trail of cenotes( sinkholes from disolved calcium carbonate  by rain) in the Yucatan peninsula.
The red layer in that link about Yucatan peninsula soil its not vulcanic or made by the asteroid.Its just a humble iron pan .

I will use this iron pan soil as a subrate in my pots and i will add a lot of it in holes in the ground in my greenhouse.
It is allready used for planted aquariums as a substrate that provides rich iron and the otther minerals that are colected after rain wash.
Here is a video about laterite( iron pan) used for aquarium plants.https://youtu.be/fkrDvdBMYII

Warning: these red soils draw phosphorus and they lock it making it non available for plants wich is why this soil is soo bad.
Both aluminum and iron oxides are excelent phosphorus binders and ive used them to clean water of phosphates to non detectable level by hobbyst measuring kits.
I assume that phosphorus cycle has special features on this red soil ,that its added little by little in constant ammount ,enough for the plants to take it before its binded by iron and aluminum.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iron pan soil ,tropical rainforest soil
« on: February 18, 2020, 09:10:41 PM »
Quote from: Guanabanus on February 18, 2020, 08:20:48 PM
This last map shows the Yucatan Peninsula the same color as the rest of the tropics.  Why?  Almost the entire peninsula is calcareous.
Its similar with Pineislander example with Cockpit country.
There are bauxite mines in Yucatan peninsula as well as in the Cockpit Country ( wich i didnt mentioned by now not to look like im contradicting Pineislander).
There are 2 types of bauxite ores,lateritic bauxite and in Yucatan and Jamaica ,karstic bauxite that occurs on limestone.
As limestone gets weathered and disolved ,over time the soil turns to bauxite or laterite.Mainly iron and aluminium remains wich gives these soils the red color.

The last map ive posted its a generalisation and its not acurate( for instance i would make whole Australia red and even somme parts of N America and Europe where in the past there used to be rainforests.

Main idea is that upon weathering ( washing of the rain) the soil becomes red and looses somme elements like calcium and becomes concentrated in iron and aluminum( aluminum= clay soil).

My rich  black soil with limestone its verry different from the rainforest soil because its not that weathered( washed soo much by rain).

Here is a nice link with the red soil of Yucatan peninsula.Nice pictures but the guy thinks eroneously that the iron pan layer was formed by a volcanic eruption.
Probably because he is not familiar with iron pans.https://www.backyardnature.net/yucatan/soil.htm

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iron pan soil ,tropical rainforest soil
« on: February 18, 2020, 02:29:49 PM »
The last map i posted was a generalisation of weathered ferrosoils.Theres lot of variation within those red soil area.
I know well the phenomenon wich caused Cockpit Country because Romania was also the bottom of a sea that got lifted and here you can find seashell fossils on top of the mountains( verry common).
Even the mud volcanoes in my blog about Nitraria ,they used to be on the bottom of the sea .They are like those in California that just got out of the sea,but colder.
We have a lot of Karstic formations here ,a lot of caves ,a lot of limestone,marble , and salt ( i have a saltwater river passing near me and i am 400 km away from the sea).

Such aged red soil its precious to me as it is the tropical rainforest soil and its verry different than my local soil.
If i want to grow rainforest species and somme rare ,unknown in cultivation,il try to mimic their native soil .
Somme tropicals like seashore mangosteen and Durian can grow in verry acidic and also verry alkaline soils but not all the tropical plants are that well adapted to such variations.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iron pan soil ,tropical rainforest soil
« on: February 17, 2020, 05:41:38 PM »
Quote from: pineislander on February 17, 2020, 07:15:01 AM
Quote from: SeaWalnut on February 16, 2020, 03:29:17 PM
I agree there is a lot of variation in the soil of the rainforests but the main soil in rainforest in 99% of the cases is this red soil rich in Iron and manganese.
This map shows the global prevalence of Oxisols.


Oxisol its in american terms but the corect map is this one with Laterite soil.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw flower buds gone
« on: February 17, 2020, 04:43:12 PM »
My Prima has flowers again but i dont think it can hold fruit because the trunk its too thin and has 8 leaves in the summer. Needs to get bigger to hold the massive fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iron pan soil ,tropical rainforest soil
« on: February 17, 2020, 06:14:25 AM »
Quote from: Guanabanus on February 16, 2020, 09:33:01 PM
Nice map!

I grew up in that yellow spot to the east of the confluence of the Negro River with the Solimoes / Amazon.
Flat areas were usually 1-3 feet of sand, with sandy pebbly yellowish clay below that.  O.K. for some types of farming, and for fruit trees.

Wide areas to either side of the Negro are extremely sandy, with pH in the 3.5-4.5 range.  Terrible for most types of agriculture.

Wide areas to either side of the Amazon River are rich floodplain mud--- highly fertile when not flooded, good for 3-6 month crops.
Nice place to spend the childhood.
The water of Rio Negro its black because of humic acid.
I use pyroligneous acid( humic acid) as fertiliser and little  ammount of this acid turns the water black if it has somme hardness in it.
The soil on the Rio Negro basin its a red soil mainly.
Its is a terible poore soil wich makes the rainforest more amazing as an ecosystem.



Rio Negro and Amazon confluence + a river dolphin.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Poison ivy allergy green mango juice?
« on: February 16, 2020, 09:26:02 PM »
And i toght that eating the peel of the mango is healthy  ;D.
Its the resinous taste like coniferous trees that i like at mango and close to the peel its the most concentrated.

Poison ivy sounds like a dangerous plant that causes reactions in every human not only the alergic ones.
I have severe reactions to stinging nettle but that doesnt stops me from eating stinging nettles in the spring as much as i can .Like spinach but better.
Stinging nettle is ,off course,an edible plant.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iron pan soil ,tropical rainforest soil
« on: February 16, 2020, 03:29:17 PM »
Oxisol or red leached soil map of the Amazon rainforest.
Also the yellow brown in the map are red soils,ultisoils like those in Australia.
I agree there is a lot of variation in the soil of the rainforests but the main soil in rainforest in 99% of the cases is this red soil rich in Iron and manganese.


This soil is good for cocoa plantations and otther such rainforest fruits.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trying to make an escape from the craphole called Facebook
« on: February 16, 2020, 03:00:31 PM »
Quote from: Axel on February 16, 2020, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: SeaWalnut on February 15, 2020, 01:53:23 AM
Welcome to TFF!
Thats a big orchard you have there .
What tropical nut trees do you have? From Juglandaceae?
I also grow nut trees and was hoping to go on with northern pecans and walnuts but after i lost all the pecans i switched to almond trees.

I grow tropical nuts, the only tropical Juglandaceae I am familiar with is the Andean walnut which I do grow but not for eating, but for botanical reasons since the fruit is rather dismal. Sounds like you are in a very cold climate compared to Hawaii. A lot of delicious nuts that we are unable to grow will do well in your climate, Tropical nuts in Romania sounds challenging, I am curious to learn if you actually do and which ones.
The red husk tropical walnuts are endangered and its nice if you grow them .
There are otther tropical walnuts you can grow ( for botanical reasons) like Oreumunea and Alfaroa.
I grow carpathian walnuts ,almonds and i have somme gevuina seedlings ( proteaceae,related to macadamia).
I grow these rare ,giant walnut seeds.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iron pan soil ,tropical rainforest soil
« on: February 15, 2020, 09:51:54 PM »
Quote from: pineislander on February 15, 2020, 08:53:01 PM
Plenty of tropical forests exist in every single soil classification. I have personally seen some of these, including calcareous soils from limestone. The cockpit country of Jamaica is an example. You can go there and see for yourself if you don't believe me. There are plenty more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hccMWioloQ
Verry interesting biome i didnt know before.
It is a rare exception thogh and thats why there are soo manny endemic animals living there .
Its a relatively young rainforest and barely can be called a rainforest as there is drought there and snails adapted to resist drought as well as the frogs.
A real rainforest creates its own rain wich washes away all the calcium and turns the soil red.
The weathered red soil of the rainforest its verry bad,low in nutrients and basically a desert like Sahara or australian outback where only the rain caused by the rainforest keeps it alive.
Once the rainforest its cut there is no rain and desertification occurs like in Madagascar and  otther such places.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iron pan soil ,tropical rainforest soil
« on: February 15, 2020, 08:16:47 PM »
Quote from: pineislander on February 15, 2020, 07:37:27 PM
You can't really typify a "tropical" soil. They can range from volcanic to calcareous sedimentary, and peats to highly weathered acidic clays. For those of us in Florida here is a classification of soil types based on how they developed from parent rock moisture and climate.
https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ss655
Its tropical rainforest soil.
On calcareous soil there wont be rainforest because the intense rain would disolve and wash the calcium carbonate.
Like it did in Mexico forming the cenotes sinkholes.
Off corse this is not just ,,tropical,, but ,,tropical rainforest,, most likely to be there soil.Variations exist.
In american clasification this red soil is an oxisoil/ ultisoil .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iron pan soil ,tropical rainforest soil
« on: February 15, 2020, 04:38:47 PM »
After i measured the ph of the iron pan i fount its 8 😂 and not acidic as expected,due to the verry sodic soil it was located.
But the good news its that altough the ph its 8,it has verry little buffer in it and can be corected easily and with little acid.
The ammount of buffer its soo low ,similar to the buffer in the rain water .
For the minerals like those from rainforest soil and for the iron eating bacyeria i think its a good soil to mix with manure for rainforest plants.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best potting mix for macadamia/ proteaceae?
« on: February 15, 2020, 04:31:16 PM »
Quote from: ScottR on February 14, 2020, 11:08:43 AM
Thanks for post on iron addition to soil to help bind phosphorus I have 10 or so macadamia's and one variety I have called L-4 suffers from chlorosis. I forgot about adding iron to soil to correct this problem. Also, I have tried for many years to grow gevuinas and sad to say have killed them to many times. In California we had peat moss to soil for lower ph and I use pumice in potting mix and still have worms!
Can you share your source of gevuina seeds they are getting hard to find these day's, used to be site from Chile where there endemic but no longer have seeds available. ;)
Rarepalm seeds has them now.
https://www.rarepalmseeds.com/gevuina-avellana

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Blood oranges and hybrids
« on: February 15, 2020, 06:49:45 AM »
Tarocco its the best orange i ever ate.A lot of juice,enough red color ( 40% of the fruit) ,verry sweet ,slightly sour and hard to peel but worths the effort because it has verry little pulp inside wich makes it easy to eat and cuts the biterness.
I have one small plant and i would grow only blood oranges but im not a citrus expert.

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