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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Edward in April?
« on: April 16, 2012, 04:42:47 PM »
OK. You'll have to let us know what you think of the Young.

We have never had it produce a big crop,have about a dozen and a half nice size mangoes on the east side of the tree only for some weird reason, the smaller fruit are also on top of the tree but as I said they are dropping like flies.Great tasting mango,I cant wait to compare it to the Young,that tree has a bunch on it right now for only being 3 years old,we will see if it lives up to the hype test.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Edward in April?
« on: April 16, 2012, 04:15:51 PM »
Ahh OK. Thanks for the info! If the edward did that every year, that would be a fantastic mango.

Sure looks like an edward,looks like mine,have some real small fruit too as well as mature ones,but the smaller fruit are dropping off so I dont think I will see a second crop.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Spraying of Lychee Trees
« on: April 16, 2012, 04:07:18 PM »
I've never had any issue with foliar spray either. I use either the chelated citrus nutritional or keyplex mixed with a tiny amount of peters to aid in absorption.

I sometimes "guesstimate" my concentrations of foliar spray.. At times I mix them a little on the "thick" side, literally.. I have even sprayed my "heavy" mix only days apart without any leaf damage at all... I think the granular is by far more dangerous if too concentrated!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Edward in April?
« on: April 16, 2012, 04:03:14 PM »
OK. Interesting. My neighbor has been enjoying fruits for a couple of weeks already with another crop scheduled for June. Is this tree an edward? It sure tastes like one. These pics are from about 2 weeks ago.









My neighbor has an Edward with two crops on it.  The early ones look about 3-4 weeks away from being ready......

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Edward in April?
« on: April 16, 2012, 01:12:27 PM »
OK. Does yours have 2 crops - one ripening in Apr and another ripening in June?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Edward in April?
« on: April 16, 2012, 12:39:35 PM »
Has anybody's Edward mango tree ripened fruit this month? Neighbor has a tree which has been bearing fruit for a couple of weeks that I believe to be an Edward.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: coconut cream Mango
« on: April 13, 2012, 11:42:58 PM »
Yep, this is typical of the coco cream. The coco cream placard says "Trees grow moderately low and spreading. Should be pruned to shape."

My coconut cream mango has branches that are curling a little; is this normal?  My other mangos have branches appear to grow straight.





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Yah, I agree with bsbullie. The trees are going to eventually shade each other out which translates to less fruit and more disease.

Its palms that should be in groups, or odd numbers, like that...from the picture it appears that those three mangoes are planted a little to close to each other.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Baileys Marvel
« on: April 13, 2012, 10:17:18 PM »
Funny that you mention this -- I was just over at Zill's picking out a BM, and the majority of the trees had visible anthracnose damage. The worker said that the BM commonly has problems with anthracnose. Perhaps that only applies to younger trees?

I also remember hearing from Har that BM trees are susceptible to rootstock influence, meaning that the productivity of the tree can be related to the rootstock that it's grafted onto.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: No flowers?
« on: April 11, 2012, 02:49:49 PM »
Tip the new growth (each new flush) after a severe pruning, and you can often get the tree to produce the very next year. Without tipping, a severe pruning is often an exercise in futility, since the tree just gets mad and grows right back to where it was :-). You also lose a couple of seasons worth of fruit in the process. Increasing the leaf surface area and getting it quickly back into the production cycle (through the use of tipping) is conducive to encouraging the tree to more slowly grow back to the pre-pruned size.

My established VP only pushed out 5 or 6 inflo's. 

I did a major pruning 2 years ago.  I thought it would recover this season and have a lot of production ... Guess I was wrong ..

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: HELP: new mango tree dying
« on: April 10, 2012, 03:48:30 PM »
u have picture?

If it's not dying, then it sure look very very depressed or close to dying.  Just recently bought a carrie mango tree in a 5 gallon container with some bloom.  I repotted it in a 15 gallon not long after purchasing it in potting soil and mulch.  Then started noticing all the bloom became brown/died, so i spread some copper fungicide.  Well now the leaves are dropping and the blooms are history, and the leaves that are on the tree look like they're on their last leg... any idea??

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In my experience it doesn't matter. I do the same thing actually :-).

A good way to encourage fast fruit set / precocity is to tip each new growth spurt. Once the growth hardens off, snip off the top 1/2 inch. Do this for each growth flush during the summer (about once a month).


Jeff,

Does it matter if you tip before the new growth hardens or matures? 

I have the tendency to manually pinch off and tip the new growth before it fully grows out and hardens up.  Is that an accepted practice?

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A good way to encourage fast fruit set / precocity is to tip each new growth spurt. Once the growth hardens off, snip off the top 1/2 inch. Do this for each growth flush during the summer (about once a month).

Thanks jeff  :)
The limbs I trimmed back were about 20" long and straggly-It awfully nice to see the huge amount of growth in a tree which wasn't doing anything...hopefully it will fruit next year however ( the tree was from a 7 gallon container)

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:D Deal! Thanks.

One of these days I'm hoping to try a wurtz! I've had a tree for about 3 years. It sets little fruits then drops them. I've heard mixed opinions on it. Oscar calls it one of the 'wurst' avocados, but I've heard others highly praise it. So, I'm hoping to get to try one this year.

U yankin my chain cowboy. The lula has a distinct sweetness to it. To the native floridian who's used to west indies race avocadoes, it may be undectable. But to someone like me who's grown up eating mexican race avocadoes -- it's sweet.

Funnily, I did a quick google search of 'lula sweet' and the 2nd hit says "The fruit of the Lula avocado tree has a slightly sweet taste." Guess I"m not the only one :-)

I'm not knocking lula -- it's a good cado. But, the FL hass is nearly identical in flavor to the california hass (probably why they called it hass :-). At any rate, my opinion is strongly biased towards mexican x guatemalan race avocadoes having grown up surrounded by thousands of acres of hass/pinkerton avocado orchards.

Sorry Jeff, I am going to have to disagree totally with your description of the Florida Haas.  Wurtz is way closer to the Cali Haas when the Cali Haas is at it best.
Me thinks you still have California on the brain  ;) :P

Whats your thoughts on the Wurtz ?  need to get you in a blind taste test with a Wurtz, a Haas and a Florida Haas...would love to see how you do  :)
When in season, maybe we can meet at Harry's for a sampling of fruit and I will bring some.

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Ahh OK. Now I see why you don't like the wurtz. The haas is one of my favorite fruits. Growing up california probably has something to do with that. But I can eat them things like they were mangos. YEEE HAWW YUMMY!

Get a hawaiian avocado: Nishikawa; Fujikawa; Malama; Kahaluu. 
With all respect to Florida avocados, they are not as tasty as a hawaiian avocado.  As a matter of fact, I have one choquette that I really enjoy eating it towards the end of the season.  However, hawaiian avocados are the best, in my humble opinion. 

I believe that  nurseries in Fort Myers may carry hawaiian avocados.  Call the Treehouse nursery and also call Fruitscapes.  They should be able to locate one.

Hi Berto, you took the words right out of my mouth. I bought some Florida avocados to trial here and they pale in comparison to any of our cultivars. BTW, i think Wurtz is one of the worstz aovs i have planted here. Don't think very highly of ever present Hass either. You Florida folks are really missing out on the really good avocados!

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Tipping increases leaf surface area and 'calms' the tree down. So, no, in the long run has the opposite effect. You did cut it back a ways, and it is spring, so the natural reaction will be for it to sprout. But it would have sprouted anyway. In the future you may want to simply tip the top 1/2 inch. Also, you will want to do it for every new growth spurt.

But, this does raise an interesting topic -- simply chopping back a tree doesn't necessarily keep it small nor is it conducive to fruiting. After you severely prune a big mango tree, its natural reaction will be to grow like a race horse. You need to 'calm' the tree down by increasing leaf surface area and selectively removing larger limbs (storehouses of energy). But, there is a fine line where if you remove too much, the tree will react by growing very aggressively and not fruiting for a season or two. You can mitigate this somewhat by tipping every new growth spurt.

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One of these days I'm hoping to try a wurtz! I've had a tree for about 3 years. It sets little fruits then drops them. I've heard mixed opinions on it. Oscar calls it one of the 'wurst' avocados, but I've heard others highly praise it. So, I'm hoping to get to try one this year.

U yankin my chain cowboy. The lula has a distinct sweetness to it. To the native floridian who's used to west indies race avocadoes, it may be undectable. But to someone like me who's grown up eating mexican race avocadoes -- it's sweet.

Funnily, I did a quick google search of 'lula sweet' and the 2nd hit says "The fruit of the Lula avocado tree has a slightly sweet taste." Guess I"m not the only one :-)

I'm not knocking lula -- it's a good cado. But, the FL hass is nearly identical in flavor to the california hass (probably why they called it hass :-). At any rate, my opinion is strongly biased towards mexican x guatemalan race avocadoes having grown up surrounded by thousands of acres of hass/pinkerton avocado orchards.

Sorry Jeff, I am going to have to disagree totally with your description of the Florida Haas.  Wurtz is way closer to the Cali Haas when the Cali Haas is at it best.
Me thinks you still have California on the brain  ;) :P

Whats your thoughts on the Wurtz ?  need to get you in a blind taste test with a Wurtz, a Haas and a Florida Haas...would love to see how you do  :)

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U yankin my chain cowboy. The lula has a distinct sweetness to it. To the native floridian who's used to west indies race avocadoes, it may be undectable. But to someone like me who's grown up eating mexican race avocadoes -- it's sweet.

Funnily, I did a quick google search of 'lula avocado sweet' and the 2nd hit says "The fruit of the Lula avocado tree has a slightly sweet taste." Guess I"m not the only one :-)

I'm not knocking lula -- it's a good cado. But, the FL hass is nearly identical in flavor to the california hass (probably why they called it hass :-). At any rate, my opinion is strongly biased towards mexican x guatemalan race avocadoes having grown up surrounded by thousands of acres of hass/pinkerton avocado orchards.

Sorry Jeff, I am going to have to disagree totally with your description of the Florida Haas.  Wurtz is way closer to the Cali Haas when the Cali Haas is at it best.

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Lula is a pretty decent avocado. It's creamy, productive, vigorous. The only drawback is that it's on the sweet side.

The pine borers got my Choquette, in need of a new avo... 
What is the consensus on the "Florida Haas"?  I want to shy away from another Guatemalan type avocado, I have several neighbors with trees that produce huge crops.  According to internet wisdom, the FH was selected from a tree in Fort Myers.  Supposedly a decent Mexican type avocado.  Apparently self-fruitful...  Anybody out there with experience with the above?
Open to suggestions.  I'm located in Englewood, 10a
Thanks
Go with a Wurtz.  It is way better in quality than a FL Hass.  Next choice would be a Lula.  Both have a high oil content  and creamy with Wurtz being a little more rich with a fuller flavor.  Both are cold hearty with Lula able to take it down to 15 degrees and Wurtz at 15-20.

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Being an ex-californian, the florida haas is as close to avocado heaven as it gets. I can wolf these babies down like there's no tomorrow. They are similarly sized to the california hass but are green (not black). They are very slow growing and seem to be highly productive. If I was limited to one avocado tree, FH would be my choice.

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Yah, that makes a big difference. Water intrusion is conducive to fungal growth... which is not conducive to grafting :-).

The main thing that was screwing me over when I started was leaving the plants out in the yard after I grafted them. Rain would get to them and they would die. Since I stated keeping all of my newly grafted plants under my covered porch I have had almost 100% takes.

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That's one way. You can also graft in early May when only a portion of the buds have sprung and use the dormant buds.

Hi Jeff
To graft annona in the summer....What is the best way to prepare the scion that is already pushing out leaves....Should I cut off all the leaves and wait for bud to form then cut it to graft?
Thanks
DT

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Hey Joe. We were chatting back and forth about this on another thread. As a few pointed out, annonas will sprout like that even when tossed on the ground. The type of grafting tape is irrelevant here. You can cover it with a plastic bag and it will still die (I've tried it). Your best bet is to graft a little later in the year (summer) or use younger rootstock as suggested by Har and Adam.

The most important variables in grafting are: time of year, type of graft, quality of cut, cleanliness of instruments, sharpness of blade, quality of rootstock and quality of scion. Once you've got those things down, then the type of securing tape and type of moisture barrier are insignificant. The main goal is to make sure you've secured the scion and roostock together in a way in which the cambium layers are touching and to ensure that the scion is not allowed to dehydrate nor receive outside during the healing process. Whether this is done with bands, green tape, plastic bag, etc is largely irrelevant.

Hi Jeff

I have been very successful grafting annoas this year. I've notice some of the grafts that pushed new growth real fast have turned black and died. Why is this happening and should I leave the graft alone to see if it pushes again?

JF

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Sorry, meant to say outside rainfall :-).

The most important variables in grafting are: time of year, type of graft, quality of cut, cleanliness of instruments, sharpness of blade, quality of rootstock and quality of scion. Once you've got those things down, then the type of securing tape and type of moisture barrier are insignificant. The main goal is to make sure you've secured the scion and roostock together in a way in which the cambium layers are touching and to ensure that the scion is not allowed to dehydrate nor receive outside during the healing process. Whether this is done with bands, green tape, plastic bag, etc is largely irrelevant.

What did you mean by that?

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The most important variables in grafting are: time of year, type of graft, quality of cut, cleanliness of instruments, sharpness of blade, quality of rootstock and quality of scion. Once you've got those things down, then the type of securing tape and type of moisture barrier are insignificant. The main goal is to make sure you've secured the scion and roostock together in a way in which the cambium layers are touching and to ensure that the scion is not allowed to dehydrate nor receive outside rainfall during the healing process. Whether this is done with bands, green tape, plastic bag, etc is largely irrelevant.

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